... California.

No transfers of ammunition are permitted except through a licensed dealer.

Site the regulation specifics please.

Just saw the California at the top. Makes it much more believable for me.

Link

Son no, friend yes.

Good luck enforcing the FTF friend transfers.

This seems like a big milestone in the march towards totalitarianism to me. I guess nobody cares?

Also, starting today, you can register your sex on your California drivers license as non-binary, i.e., no sex identity. That sounds very stylish, doesn't it?

California has plenty of laws...

so does places like New York... Massachusetts... a lot of leftist liberal states...

and just like any of those leftist liberal states that I've spent any time in..

one of the first things you notice... is how many of those laws EVERYONE ignores...

California is no different...

as of today in san jose Basspro , you can look at ammo but you can't touch it. you have to ask a sales person to take what you want.
am I glad I know how to reload.

FUGG ‘EM!

But you can vote for commies if you are an illegal alien.

whoa now! thats debatable..

As soon as they get that figured out, powder and primers will have a buyers card, hefty tax for value added benefits and any other restrictions they can think of. It is kommiefornia.

Why don't they just make it illegal to shoot people and/or use guns as a force-multiplier to force compliance of theft?

That would be racist.

First they ban lead now this

Funny

I understand that California residents can no longer bring in ammo from out of state. What about non-residents? I've done some pig hunting in California and always brought my own rifle and ammo. Is that still legal?

It is hard to imagine schitt this stupid!!!

Years ago, California was taken over politically by the Marxist Socialist inspired "progressives," better known as the Democrat Party. Today, their eventual goal is to ban and confiscate all firearms in California from the worker peasants. Of course, exemptions will be the well armed, very expensive bodyguards of the elite Party leaders, Mega-Millionaire Marxists and Billionaire Bolsheviks.

There is an old saying "Life is hard by the yard but a cinch by the inch." After the anti-gunners resounding defeat in 1982 of the Proposition 15 debacle wherein 66 % voted against the Democrats' plan to ban handguns and eventually long guns, they decided to follow the "inch by inch by inch by inch" rule to achieve their final goal.

Since 1982, they have passed a myriad of profoundly illogical and highly restrictive anti-guns laws systematically in Sacramento and various metropolitan counties, each new law being more restrictive and onerous than the last. When the laws have been challenged in court as being unConstitutional, the extreme far left anti-Second Amendment Federal 9th District Court has always ruled in favor of the Marxist Socialist inspired "progressives."

These new 2018 anti-guns/ammo laws are nothing more than a another brick in the ever widening wall against private firearms ownership in California. The "progressives" could not care less about reducing violent crime. Most know that criminals don't bother to obey the law. Reducing violent crime is not their goal: disarming the honest citizens is their goal.

Inch by inch by inch by inch ..................

L.W.

That hasn't changed.

ya but they can get weed over the counter now.

Shoosh😎

I have to wonder what will happen at the inspection stations now. "Do you have any ammunition, fruits and vegetables?"

I'm hoping not or a lot of folks out here in the border country (OR & NV) will be taking the FS roads home.

Geno

How much are the people of California going to put up with?

Answer- All of it.

Good, hopefully a bunch of their transplanted gangbangers will go home now...

Really? Does this mean any transfers - such as finds, gifts, loaners, prizes, etc. - or does it simply mean purchase or exchanges for things of some established value? It would be nice to see some straight scoop on this.

2. AMMUNITION SALES
Beginning on January 1, 2018, Proposition 63, ammunition sales must be conducted by or processed through licensed vendors. It will serve to prevent certain convicted criminals from purchasing ammunition once the new law for background checks for ammunition sales come online in July 2019.

Sales of ammunition by unlicensed individuals must be processed through a licensed ammunition vendor, in a manner similar to private party firearms transactions, and ammunition obtained over the Internet or from out of state must be initially shipped to a licensed ammunition vendor for physical delivery to the purchaser pursuant to a background check.

It means that, beginning January 1, 2018, online or catalogue ammunition purchases will need to be shipped to a licensed vendor for transaction, instead of having ammunition directly to the home. It expands throughout California similar local ordinances prohibiting direct mail of ammunition, already in place in some California cities.

The license requirements apply to individuals who sell more than 500 rounds of ammunition in any month. Those vendors must obtain an ammunition vendor license and conduct ammunition sales only at specified business locations. It means gun dealers must obtain a DOJ certificate of eligibility from employees who handle ammunition, verifying that they passed a background check.

PROPOSITION 63 IMPLEMENTATION TO DATE

November 9, 2016
Ammunition:
It became illegal for a person to sell or transfer ammunition to a straw purchaser with knowledge or cause to believe that the straw purchaser would subsequently provide that ammunition to a prohibited person.
Gun dealers must now report the theft or loss of ammunition to local law enforcement, in addition to firearm thefts/losses.

Firearm Theft:
The theft of a firearm can be charged as a felony, no matter the firearm’s market value.
Individuals convicted of misdemeanor firearm theft are prohibited from possessing or purchasing a firearm for 10 years after conviction.

July 1, 2017

Lost/Stolen Firearms:
Firearm owners must notify local law enforcement regarding the theft or loss of a firearm within five days after the owner discovered or reasonably should have discovered the theft or loss.

Ammunition Seller Licensing:
DOJ started accepting applications for ammunition vendor licenses; licensed gun dealers automatically considered licensed ammunition vendors.
Ammunition vendors must report the theft/loss of ammunition to law enforcement and obtain a DOJ certificate of eligibility from employees who handle ammunition, verifying that they passed a background check.


http://kron4.com/2017/12/26/new-stricter-california-gun-laws-to-take-effect-in-2018/

I left about a year later.
Took vacation and told em, "f I can find a job I am not coming back."
Wasn't my first attempt, left in 74 but was married to a California girl and ended up returning.
The Eagles song, Hotel California always reminds me to that first endeavor.
Was a fun place as a kid in the 60's, I could hunt rabbits and ground squirrels alone, from about 12 on, and did shoot a deer, but here would have been undoubtedly better even then.
Smart move when I got my kid out of there when he was about 8 or 9.

Thanks Ranger for that info.

More info, letter from Sheriff of Eldorado County:

On December 27th I sent a letter to California Attorney General, Xavier Becerra
requesting he stay the requirement for ammunition vendors to obtain an ammunition
vendor license pursuant to Proposition 63 passed by the voters in November of 2016 due
to the fact his own office had not completed the regulatory process nor issued any of the
required ammunition vendor licenses so these businesses could lawfully operate until
such licenses were issued.

The letter was also posted as a press release which was picked up by some local media
outlets that investigated and reported the facts. When they contacted the Department of
Justice, as reported, they were informed that approximately 225 ammunition vendor
license applications had been received and 219 had been processed with only six more to
process and that the businesses would receive their licenses prior to the end of the year.

On December 28 I received an email with an attached letter, both from Robert D. Wilson,
Deputy Attorney General for the California Department of Justice. The letter stated the
following:
Your letter to Attorney General Becerra regarding ammunition vendor licenses has been
directed to the Bureau of Firearms (Bureau) for response. To summarize, you voiced
concerns about the timely issuance of ammunition vendor licenses. The Bureau has been
working with non-FFL ammunition vendors since early 2017 and that work has paid off.
Initial estimates indicated that there were approximately 225 non-FFL ammunition
vendors in California. As of today, the Bureau processed 227 applications for
ammunition vendor licenses; five additional applications are now in the final stage of
completion. All backgrounds and Certificates of Eligibility have been completed or are
nearing completion. The Bureau expects to issue these licenses electronically on
December 29, 2017.
Sincerely,
Robert D. Wilson
Deputy Attorney General
For Xavier Becerra
Attorney General

On December 29, at approximately 4:35
pm I received an email from Chris Puehse,
owner of Foothill Ammunition, an ammunition vendor in El Dorado County. The email
was a forward from the California Department of Justice stating the following:
Ammunition regulations from the California Department of Justice are in the final stage
of approval, which is expected in early January.
The Department has processed applications from vendors and will issue licenses once the regulations are approved.


I immediately telephoned Deputy Attorney General, Robert Wilson to inquire about the
discrepancy between what was told to the media, what was told to me and what is now
being told to the ammunition vendors who are just trying to comply with the law. I was
advised by DAG Wilson that there was a misunderstanding and that the regulations had
not been reviewed and approved by the Department’s “Office of Administrative Law”
(OAL) and no licenses had been issued. He advised he would be personally walking the
regulations through with the OAL first thing Tuesday, January 2, 2018 hoping that the
regulations would be approved and the licenses could be issued shortly after that.
When asked what businesses that sold ammunition were supposed to do until then, I was
advised they would have to only “shut their doors” for a few days until the licenses were
issued giving no definitive date DOJ is willing to be accountable to. I advised him this
was unacceptable and again requested Attorney General Becerra issue a stay until such
regulations were completed and licenses issued.

I am releasing this information via press release because it needs to be documented that
the California Department of Justice had been less than honest with the people of
California regarding this issue, has had since November of 2016 to draft and finalize
the regulations for this law and have failed to do so in a timely manner and even though a
remedy exists, will again fail the people of California and force law abiding citizens to
choose between being criminals or not providing for their families.
Affecting livelihoods with a flippant “trust us” attitude is unacceptable from public servants.
John D'Agostini
El Dorado County
Sheriff ~ Coroner ~ Public Administrator

Additional info might be found here too:

http://mailchi.mp/360fae8e207c/nra-...vendor-license-requirements?e=14cec2f4ce

Geno

Lot of push-back needed in CA via the courts. The libs do it all the time - flock to the courts for a temporary "stay". Likely the NRA will spend a little money over in that God forsaken socialist stronghold. What they need are more fires with a "scorched earth" mentality, the San Andreas to roll up to a magnitude 8.0 and a bunch of rain to roll in for a few weeks.

This only applies to Americans....since Cali became a sanctuary state illegals are still free to do what they want. Freaking state needs to be invaded by the Americans

Too bad that whole state didn't catch fire..

No.....you don't.

Turning a rifle into a bomb is not the same thing as reloading.....

Well....on the bright side, this should put an end to ammo scalping. .22lr should be plentiful from now on...



Oh, wait.....

Perfectly stated... Excellent, sir..


As to this new CA law, if (like, never) I was a CA resident I'd buy ammo out of state anyway - even if I had to travel to IA to get it... Eff them.

If I send ammo to a democrat in Kalifornia will they go to jail ?


Mike

It would go a long way to normalizing the state if we could elect enough politicians in congress to impeach about 90% of the Ninth Circuit and replace them with judges that actually follow the constitution and rule accordingly. As it is the idiot moon bats have cart blanch to pass any criminal legislation they wish and have it codified by the court.

Re: Starting Today, Handing Your Son or Friend a Box of Ammo For a Range Session is a Crime In



Thanks for the facts, RG - much better than fiction.

Californians can now rest with assurance, that all the folks that have illegal guns will no longer be able to buy or get ammo.

To All,

It sounds like RELOADING is about to become VERY POPULAR in "The Land of FRUITS & NUTS".

yours, tex

We've had this in NY since the passage of the SAFE Act 5 years ago. There is still no background checks here to buy ammo (the background check system is not yet in place and may very well never be), some out of state vendors are still shipping ammo to your door in NY, and shooters/hunters freely give ammo to each other at private ranges. These types of laws are, for all practical purposes, unenforceable. The most likely way for one to get prosecuted under these types of laws is if you give ammo to someone who commits a crime with it and they rat you out. So - - -, you people in California, don't give ammo to anyone you don't know well or that won't be used up at a range. Living under stupid laws like these mean that you just have to get comfortable ignoring these stupid laws. Laws like these are all about making it SEEM that politicians are actually doing something to make people safer. The effectiveness or enforceability of these laws is really irrelevant to them.

I still want to know...


Mike

Interesting. So if some mystery person send one round of ammo to every California official, does that make the official a felon?

That's what I'm trying to find out.

Mike

The Real Hawkeye: To add to all the beyond bizarre bullschite coming out of "kalifornicationkopia" I saw today on The Drudge Report that a "study" of kalifornicationkopia youth found that 27% (twenty seven percent!) of them consider themselves to be "non-gender conforming"!
What ever the pphhuckk that is?
These items just prove that liberalism is a mental disease!
kalifornicationkopia is simply a cesspool of anti-capitalists, illegal aliens and anti-American cretins.
Sad in a way but has been this way for some time now - all the while getting worse and worse.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I think the objective is to put gun dealers out of business.

I know what you mean, but sadly, it isn't hard to imagine at all.

Just how would that work if they are the only ones in the state that can provide ammo to the public? Only those who are licensed can provide ammo for firearms sounds like a monopoly of sorts to me.

Yeah, but when they do enforce them they will do it to the fullest extent of the law to make an example of some poor smuck. That's the way lieberals work.

Yup, that's why it's important to be smart enough to make sure that you aren't that poor smuck. Don't get involved in any black market ammo dealing but I wouldn't worry about giving or selling a box of ammo to a friend.

Newest here, according to local sporting goods outlet, they can sell ammo as the new regs are not in effect yet. According to them, on the phone that is. Not according to CA Dept of Justice or any other .gov organization. The employees all have been cleared to sell (yes, the sales folks all had to get fingerprinted and BG checks) , the store itself has completed all paperwork, etc for it's license, but nothing has been "approved/finalized". Therefore they are selling ammo, only change is it's now kept in a locked display.

Geno

PS, I'm trying to see if CRPA and NRA have any news. They asked CA DOJ/ Attorney General for a stay because things have not been clarified. I don't think the AGT wanted to initiate a stay, according to the letter to the Eldorado County Sheriff. Just let them close their doors for a few days, tight?