Because it means dealing with the problem correctly is not a fiscally viable option. Unless you're willing to pay more taxes to fund it, we have to move to plan B which may be less ... palatable.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to entitlements that keep politicians in office term after term.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to entitlements that keep politicians in office term after term.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to entitlements that keep politicians in office term after term.
Nailed it
well, yeah to all of that. but, here we are. right here, right now.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to entitlements that keep politicians in office term after term.
Drugs do work. They do not nor have they been claimed to be a cure. There use is mainly to allow the crazies to mix in with the other folks. Make them less intense. The rational being that there never will be enough hospital beds for the total number of crazy needing the facilities.
Drugs do work. They do not nor have they been claimed to be a cure. There use is mainly to allow the crazies to mix in with the other folks. Make them less intense. The rational being that there never will be enough hospital beds for the total number of crazy needing the facilities.
Agreed on all points, but why does everyone ignore the subject? Actually, "ignore", isn't even close...acknowledge.
at least by some who walk amongst us, its been acknowledged for some time. but not by everyone, and everyone possesses such strange ideas?
we ran a state mental facility (we taxpayers paid for it). it was the biggest & best employer in the whole area. tons of jobs, bureaucracy, patients, in-mates, etc. the cost to the tax-payers were horrific. but somebody had to pay. then it was shut down. the "issues" were dispersed across the countryside. no more local sheriff's deputies transporting "patients" for lock up, evaluation & trtmnt.
the system was a money hole. something had to be done. local communities had to be diversified in terms of economic development & prosperity.
one has to be careful in understanding that mental health lockups have a lot of history going back to uncle joe and his gulag in siberia.
Not sure what that means. Usually the side effect profile of most drugs are what causes non compliance. There is no-no worky or worky, your dealing with people with problems, some handle them better than others.
They took funding from mental health in the late 80’s to fight the losing war on drugs leaving troubled individuals and their families without a solid option for placement away from society for those who shouldn’t be allowed to walk around free.
Now, if you, we, try to demand facilities be reintroduced for the mentally “scary people” to be put into... The liberal ACLU will be right there to say, these people have more rights to their freedoms than we do to protection from them.
A 72 hour mental hold isn’t long enough for a family to affect the needed legal requirements to get a troubled individual off the street. It’s not even long enough to get the “scary person” on new meds or in most cases back on their medication they should have been taking regularly.
They took funding from mental health in the late 80’s to fight the losing war on drugs leaving troubled individuals and their families without a solid option for placement away from society for those who shouldn’t be allowed to walk around free.
Now, if you, we, try to demand facilities be reintroduced for the mentally “scary people” to be put into... The liberal ACLU will be right there to say, these people have more rights to their freedoms than we do to protection from them.
A 72 hour mental hold isn’t long enough for a family to affect the needed legal requirements to get a troubled individual off the street. It’s not even long enough to get the “scary person” on new meds or in most cases back on their medication they should have been taking regularly.
They're directing most of the mental health money away from the seriously mentally ill into mental wellness type stuff.
"“If you need sexual identity counseling, if you lost a job, if you’re kid is not getting good grades…services are readily available to you,” he said. “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you.”
Drugs do work. They do not nor have they been claimed to be a cure. There use is mainly to allow the crazies to mix in with the other folks. Make them less intense. The rational being that there never will be enough hospital beds for the total number of crazy needing the facilities.
The prisons are full of people who being incarcerated and properly medicated are now perfectly normal.
They're directing most of the mental health money away from the seriously mentally ill into mental wellness type stuff.
"“If you need sexual identity counseling, if you lost a job, if you’re kid is not getting good grades…services are readily available to you,” he said. “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you.”
Mental health is a for profit business, lets face it, “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you because you are broke and can't pay for it.
If you have something to lose, (assets), the left would love to raid your life and lock you up. What a political and fiscal windfall for their liberal causes and a massive run at their liberal utopia free of us neanderthals.
Drugs do work. They do not nor have they been claimed to be a cure. There use is mainly to allow the crazies to mix in with the other folks. Make them less intense. The rational being that there never will be enough hospital beds for the total number of crazy needing the facilities.
The prisons are full of people who being incarcerated and properly medicated are now perfectly normal.
Not sure what your point is, But mental illness is not a crime.
Drugs do work. They do not nor have they been claimed to be a cure. There use is mainly to allow the crazies to mix in with the other folks. Make them less intense. The rational being that there never will be enough hospital beds for the total number of crazy needing the facilities.
This is spot-on. Drugs replaced a lot of therapies housed in torturous mental institutions that only worked about a third of the time. Much cheaper and more effective than past practices. Two problems: They aren't ALWAYS effective and sooner or later, almost all patients decide that since they've been sane awhile, they no longer need the drugs. After the psychotropics get out of their system, they are insane again. Many times that's when their neighbor's dog starts commanding them to shoot some folks and suchlike.
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Feds could legalize pot and use the tax $ to fund nut houses.
Medical or recreational ?
I havnt seen anything good come from legalization of recreational marijuana.
Then we're in agreement my friend, but removing it from Class 1 is a great start. And eliminating it from employee drug testing of cannabis should follow, they should concern themselves with opiates.
Last numbers I remember is that is cost $50K to house a prisoner annually here in MI. A good percentage of them are on anti-depressants and psychtropics. Many need meds that are more potent. It would seem that these inmates would be better off institutionalized in a mental hospital than being a drain on our resources AND be a detriment to society. It would free up the cops time too. HIPPA needs to be amended for better reporting.
Last numbers I remember is that is cost $50K to house a prisoner annually here in MI. A good percentage of them are on anti-depressants and psychtropics. Many need meds that are more potent. It would seem that these inmates would be better off institutionalized in a mental hospital than being a drain on our resources AND be a detriment to society. It would free up the cops time too. HIPPA needs to be amended for better reporting.
Putting convicted felons, mentally ill or not, in with the regular citizens. aint gonna happen. Hospital mental or otherwise couldnt take the case load. and who is going to pay for their SRIs (serotonin reuptake inhibitors.)
In his "listening session". THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT NUTS. Why is this an elephant in the room?
The focus on mental health in the late 70's was to "mainstream" as many as they could. A "facility" was demeaning and cruel - or so they thought. What happened was that a high percentage of those turned out into society became the homeless crowd. Some were mostly harmless and others were dangerous.
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Just to to be technical, one in "a couple of thousand", when you have millions "treated" leaves more than a few that ain't. I did the math. About one in ten million people commit these atrocities. You pays you money (or not} and you takes you chances. I get it. Nobody wants to pay for prisons and mental institutions. Don't bitch about the consequences.
In his "listening session". THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT NUTS. Why is this an elephant in the room?
The focus on mental health in the late 70's was to "mainstream" as many as they could. A "facility" was demeaning and cruel - or so they thought. What happened was that a high percentage of those turned out into society became the homeless crowd. Some were mostly harmless and others were dangerous.
Yeah...I know. We killed six of them in a couple month period, in a city of 60K. It was the eightie's actually.
For every 1 person hospitalized their are 100 that are able to maintain employment, and assume relative normal daily lives.
Until they don't.
And then since they were "mainstream" they need to be hammered just like anyone else.. no mental out, do the crime, do the time, pay the ultimate price....
Feds could legalize pot and use the tax $ to fund nut houses.
That revenue wouldn't begin to cover the cost - surely you jest. the eight states that have legalized rec. pot are finding out the monster they have created. Tax revenue to CO FPY16 was 1.12% of total state revenue. High school kids use pot 74% more than the national average. Traffic crashes/fatals are up, ER visits up, poison control calls up, school problems up, black market WAY up and they are shipping to other states. Be careful what you wish for.
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Just to to be technical, one in "a couple of thousand", when you have millions "treated" leaves more than a few that ain't. I did the math. About one in ten million people commit these atrocities. You pays you money (or not} and you takes you chances. I get it. Nobody wants to pay for prisons and mental institutions. Don't bitch about the consequences.
lol. in all seriousness we've got humans running loose down here on the Urth. some work and pay taxes and some don't? is that a fair assessment?
i like the idea or concept of an organized society. but, some folks don't want to play fair, or are they mentally deranged in some kind, type or sort of way?
and whose fault is it, if humans can't fit into the mainstream? and how to respond?
increased taxes just can't fix everything, but at least it's an effort, right?
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Just to to be technical, one in "a couple of thousand", when you have millions "treated" leaves more than a few that ain't. I did the math. About one in ten million people commit these atrocities. You pays you money (or not} and you takes you chances. I get it. Nobody wants to pay for prisons and mental institutions. Don't bitch about the consequences.
And simple math tells one if we QUIT growing, we'd have less incidents..... I'm tired of this nation expanding... we should reign it all back in, protect our own and quit over breeding.... and they should issue a license to actively breed...
In his "listening session". THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT NUTS. Why is this an elephant in the room?
The focus on mental health in the late 70's was to "mainstream" as many as they could. A "facility" was demeaning and cruel - or so they thought. What happened was that a high percentage of those turned out into society became the homeless crowd. Some were mostly harmless and others were dangerous.
Yeah...I know. We killed six of them in a couple month period, in a city of 60K. It was the eightie's actually.
Yes we had that too in Mpls.. Plus Carter's Mariel Boat Lift put wildly crazy Cubans into the metro cities as Castro emptied out his prisons. The Catholic Churches couldn't begin to control them. They became srteet thugs and those bastards loved anything with a sharp blade! We are a stupid azz country sometime!
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Just to to be technical, one in "a couple of thousand", when you have millions "treated" leaves more than a few that ain't. I did the math. About one in ten million people commit these atrocities. You pays you money (or not} and you takes you chances. I get it. Nobody wants to pay for prisons and mental institutions. Don't bitch about the consequences.
And simple math tells one if we QUIT growing, we'd have less incidents..... I'm tired of this nation expanding... we should reign it all back in, protect our own and quit over breeding.... and they should issue a license to actively breed...
Yes we could adapt the Chinese and/or the Nork model I suppose. But consider that the white populations of Europe and the USA cannot keep up with immigrant birth rates. Sounds a bit racist but within a generation or so, whites will be a minority. But hey, most of us will be dead by that time.
Feds could legalize pot and use the tax $ to fund nut houses.
That revenue wouldn't begin to cover the cost - surely you jest. the eight states that have legalized rec. pot are finding out the monster they have created. Tax revenue to CO FPY16 was 1.12% of total state revenue. High school kids use pot 74% more than the national average. Traffic crashes/fatals are up, ER visits up, poison control calls up, school problems up, black market WAY up and they are shipping to other states. Be careful what you wish for.
But we can make rope and cure cancer with it. lol
Maybe he's on to something though. Prisons and mental institutions should start farming weed instead of peas. Let the inmates keep all they want. Sell the rest to their family and friends when they visit.
Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)
Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,
if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)
Just to to be technical, one in "a couple of thousand", when you have millions "treated" leaves more than a few that ain't. I did the math. About one in ten million people commit these atrocities. You pays you money (or not} and you takes you chances. I get it. Nobody wants to pay for prisons and mental institutions. Don't bitch about the consequences.
And simple math tells one if we QUIT growing, we'd have less incidents..... I'm tired of this nation expanding... we should reign it all back in, protect our own and quit over breeding.... and they should issue a license to actively breed...
Yes we could adapt the Chinese and/or the Nork model I suppose. But consider that the white populations of Europe and the USA cannot keep up with immigrant birth rates. Sounds a bit racist but within a generation or so, whites will be a minority. But hey, most of us will be dead by that time.
I wouldn't worry too much about the strongest surviving.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
Maybe this will help you out. Just use penitentiary and sanitarium interchangeably:
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to entitlements that keep politicians in office term after term.
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
Maybe this will help you out. Just use penitentiary and sanitarium interchangeably:
"an if I see him in my neighborhood I'm juss gonna shoot the m........f.......er"
we have tried locking the "crazies" away from society until the system was going bankrupt. trust me, a bankrupt system is not a good thing, not for anyone.
BS.
They took funding away from mental health facilities in lieu of combating the problem with drugs.
Only drugs didn't, and don't work.
So now we need facilities that aren't there, and the funding isn't there because it's all going to DIMOCRAPS that keep politicians in office term after term.
What we really need is to get back to the values that allowed us to build our great country in the first place, and recognizing what these values were. What they absolutely WERE NOT, were anti-religious, pseudo-science/neo-psychology/socialist-welfare worshipping liberalism. And this is coming from a generally non-religious guy with a degree in science.
There was a time not too long ago in our society where firearms were much more available to our youth, but this stuff just didn't happen. Guess what's changed?
We can talk all we want about these programs and those programs to "fix" the problem. But I'm afraid all were doing is trying to put a band-aid over a hemorrhage.
They're directing most of the mental health money away from the seriously mentally ill into mental wellness type stuff.
"“If you need sexual identity counseling, if you lost a job, if you’re kid is not getting good grades…services are readily available to you,” he said. “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you.”
The reason why all of the mental health institutes closed at the end of the 1970's is primarily ONE SUPREME COURT DECISION. Neither the democrats or the republican want to take on a solution. The republicans don't want to spend the money and it will take a lot of money to repair the system and the democrats want to attack gun rights so they don't want to touch it. I firmly believe the democrats are reveling in the type of thing that just happened in Florida and now everyone is talking about creating more gun laws. They are laughing all the way to the voting booth.
The old mental health system is akin to the modern day FBI. Incompetent, cruel and self serving. That doesn’t mean both aren’t necessary components in a civilized society, they just need a massive top to bottom overhaul, the VA might get in on the house cleaning too.