Multiple injuries reported - sketchy reports at this time.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...t-St-Marys-Co-High-School-477374093.html

Just heard it... Crap.

The more MSM promote these shootings in the news the more that will occur.

Nailed it.

Yep.

Bombings will be on the increase too.

I have cousins in that school

$20 says it's the cops fault before the day is out.

That's a good bet. It will be the cops fault for at least one of a number of reasons- because they didn't prevent the shooting, they didn't stop the shooting sooner,or because they did stop the shooting at whatever point. The police are the ones most visible in these situations therefore get all the criticism. Put the politicians (government and school) on the stand with reporters asking accurate, intelligent, pointed questions and one will see blame shift to those actually responsible. Unfortunately, the politicians are too smart and reporters not smart enough to get into these situations and top police administrators are willing to be the fall guy if it means getting the stars/oak leaves/what have you on their shoulders.

Maybe.

But most certainly it'll be the gun and the NRA that's mostly to blame.

Not again, Florida was beginning to die down.

Right on cue.

They have to keep it fresh on everyone's mind.

..and you would most likely be correct.

Looks like a pissed off kid shot a couple of others who pissed him off, then shot himself.

The antis are not working to directly disarm us, they can wait us out, we're old or getting old, it's our children and grandchildren's generation they are after. If Facebook tells them guns are bad, they will believe it, and all the stuff you handed down or gave them will go o the scrap yard.

It's the fault of whomever walked into that school with a gun.

What if a cop sheltered in place while the shooting was going on ..

...almost as if these shootings are orchestrated in some way.

I used to poke fun at the folks with the tinfoil hats.

Now I own one.

After an obvious pattern develops, coincidences are no longer a coincidence.

The one good thing to come from these shootings is that it makes it ridiculously obvious that you cannot count on law enforcement to protect you. The “protect and serve” has always meant the state not the public. If we just gave up a little more of our freedom the police would be able to keep us safe (sarcasm). Just because individuals in law enforcement take it upon themselves to be heroes doesn’t mean that’s what they’re there for.

Yep

Report I just read said the school cop shot the gunman.

MK-ULTRA?

Bombing headlines aren't good for the upcoming gun-grabber March for our Lives.

Bingo.

Not sure what planet you are on.

But they have been trying to disarm us since the War Between the States.

And getting progressively more blatant about it.

I’m afraid this is closer to the truth than most will admit. The downfall of the 2nd Amendment is movies, television, and especially the so-called social media. It’s the new educational tool that moves minds!

Götterdämmerung

Right around the corner. It's a'comin'!

We should be concentrating our efforts on this kind of program.

I didn't know that this existed until I read this months American Hunter magazine. The NRA has developed a program to train school personnel on how to improve school security and do a better job of protecting our children in schools. They taught the course the first time in 2015 and since then have provided it in several states.

www.nationalschoolshield.org

I'm going to go to the next local school board meeting and suggest that they request the NRA to provide the training for some of our school employees. Most local school districts in our area have some kind of security personnel. They seem like good potential candidates to take the initial round of training. Maybe some school administrators should attend also so they can get a better idea of how to protect children in schools from potential threats.

KC

Thanks for posting this. I'll approach our school district also.

Last week I made a silly speculation that we would likely see something significant within 10 days in order to draw the media attention away from DC and the criminal behavior on display. I'm really sorry to say that an event like this does not surprise me.

Shouldn't this one be used by the "arm the staff" supporters? The school resource officer shot the kid before he did more damage. When you can't stop the shooting from starting (which you really can't) you need to support fast ways to stop it.

Sounds like a "good guy" with a gun stopped the mayhem:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-fire-md-high-school-shooter-end-threat/


Breitbart News reported news of the shooting and indicated that St. Mary’s County Sheriff Office was on scene and FBI and ATF agents were en route.

Injuries are reported as three, including the shooter.

ABC 7’s Brad Bell tweeted:

#BREAKING confirmed with sources at #greatmillsshooting : 3 students injured. 1 is the shooter. A school resource officer was on duty and took action to end threat. No final word on conditions.

— Brad Bell (@ABC7Brad) March 20, 2018

NBC’s Christina Ginn tweeted:

BREAKING: School resource officer exchanged gunfire with shooter at MD school shooting. #GreatMillsHighSchool Live coverage on @MSNBC. @NBCNews

— Christina Ginn (@NBChristinaGinn) March 20, 2018

WTOP reports that the shooting began with a single shot fired at “a girl in the hallway” at the start of the school day at Great Mills High. It is unclear how many more shots were fired as “students and staff” alerted the resource officer. That officer then moved to engage the shooter, ending the threat.

I hate the thought of uttering the phrase "we should use this shooting to our advantage". Having said that, we (2A supporters) should. Assuming what has been said in this thread is true, I submit the following.
1. MD is a strong "gun control" state.
2. The laws didn't stop this shooter.
3. A man with a gun stopped this shooter.
4. An armed security officer in the school, as we propose, stopped the shooter.
5. More armed security in schools will stop more shooters sooner than awaiting the arrival of more people with more guns.
6. Painful as it is, the armed person in the school stopped the killings at 2 (as far as we know right now) rather than letting it get to 17 (as in FL) or more.
We need to articulate the success of what was in place.

a man with a gun stopped a shooter before it became a mass killing.

that is the story here.

And if the "Cop" was driving around in circles with a golf cart....you would indeed be right....

Yep.

What jurisdiction does ATF have in this case?

You waiting on Gene?

No shooting is good, but I see 2 lessons learned from this shooting is that schools need metal detectors, and that armed resource officers are a good thing.

No way to stop ALL these type events, but the public view, as pushed by the media coverage, is that the only way to "protect our kids" is complete removal of all guns.



"Rep. Steny Hoyer, the Democrat who represents the area, said he was sickened to hear the news about the shooting and advocated for universal background checks for weapons.

"Background checks just make common sense to make sure people can and will use a weapon thoughtfully and not dangerously," he told News4."

Proves how stupid they are, how the "F" would background checks remove the gun from this student? I doubt he is 21, and also assume the statement that he pulled out a gun indicates a handgun was used, but might be poor media coverage also.

You are correct. However the anti's will say that if guns were banned these incidents wouldn't occur, period.
We have a deeper issue that the anti's don't want to address, the violence and propensity of people, especially the younger individuals, who want to commit these acts of violence and murder.

these school shootings just might be another theory ? conspiracy lead by some maybe political party ? things are just strange how its happening ? why is it a young male shooter most of the time that has problems ? is someone coaching these young shooters ? where are they getting the cash and knowledge on their school shooting set-ups ? its time for armed guards at all schools public and private and for now get the national guard at these schools and figure out what needs to be done to make all schools safe ! and take care of these problem kids before something happens !

Thank God that there was an armed officer at the school and it wasn't a "gun-free zone." Besides the obvious (more armed & trained school officers / officials) what about metal detectors at the doors / entrances? Currently, only a small fraction of schools have metal detectors. See:



Source:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=334

Won't be simple or easy, but my hunch is that it would be effective. You can't enter a Court House, a Federal Govt. Building or an Airport without going through a metal detector ..... unfortunately it seems we are at a time when schools should be added to that list.

>>The shooter exchanged fire with a school resource officer, a trained, armed deputy sheriff, Cameron said. The shooter was wounded; the officer was not.<<


Hard to say how many other kids this guy saved.

Watch the left hand not the right. We will be gone, our children will be anti-gun.

Yours might.

I gave my son an AR15 about 3 years ago. He hunts with it constantly!

Prayers to the families of the innocent. No one should have to worry about their kid going to school.

Prayers and a word of thanks to the SRO who did it right and go into the fight. He certainly saved lives this day.

Here in this state, a bad one was thwarted when the kid decided not to do it yesterday. He had a "kill list" and when that was finished, he wanted to bring the school down on top of him. Stole guns from his grandpa and cut the barrels down as well as having made Moltov cocktails; all were ready to go, even told his siblings they better stay home from school. He got cold feet and told his parents. Parents told the cops and now he's sitting in jail, waiting to see if they're going to try him as an adult. Kid says he was bullied.

They can trace the gun. If they are invited in, they can move a lot faster than if an agency sends them a request and then have to wade through the bureaucracy to get the results.

The ATF, unlike the FBI, don't take over when they come into a situation like this, they work with the agency to investigate and prosecute.

Ed

Three cheers for the school resource officer !!

Same here. My kids were given their own firearms when they were 16, but had been shooting since they were little kids. My grandsons are also shooters with their own guns.

Ed

It was just reported that the shooter shot himself.

The shooter died.

That would help the shooters a bunch. Queue all the kids up outside all the security as they wait to be scanned, and now they can be picked off without the shooter gaining access to the school at all.

Three more cheers for the resource officer !!

Yep,

They're persistent and patient. Socialists not too unlike the Muzzies and Commies... Birds of a feather...

They're in it for the long haul, are willing to wait us ole farts out. They've indoctrinated the youth, taught the teachers in the left leaning colleges how to teach leftist propaganda, rewrite history, etc.

DF

Well they certainly don't want an armed cop on campus stopping a crazed gunman, so yeah, he has to shoot himself, whether he actually shoots himself or not.

Two students were shot,one in critical condition the other in stable condition.

One of the reporters gave credit to the resource officer for engaging the shooter.

I'm shocked!

Great job on the resource officer doing his job with bravery. It sounds like he engaged the shooter instead of hiding and crying behind his cruiser.

This chit is getting very old very fast.

Most of those shooters will kill themselves once they are confronted with armed response.

Evidently the SRO did fire at the shooter. Most sources say he wounded him, or hit the shooter with gunfire.

Exactly!

We hear you brother.

Our kids are talking conspiracy theories.They can't believe these shooting are organic in nature.

I hear ya!

A couple weeks ago our local paper ran an article about school cops in this area. Many of the small districts have one but he's spread over 3 schools, elementary, middle, and high school. At any given time, he only has a 33% change of being in the building where he's needed. Most if not all of the school shootings I've heard about have been high schools, though.

Long before that.... Paul Revere's ride was all about the first gun grab. The British had decided to disarm the colonists to make them easier to control.

PROOF Armed Guards in School Save Lives!!! That Guard deserves a trip to The White House and a Medal!!!

This^^^^

Means that the narrative won't be what the MSM wants, so it'll go to Page 6 news by the end of the day.

Hell, it's already there.

It has been alluded to; but, keep in mind, the self-inflicted shots these shooters use to kill themselves don't usually occur until confronted with a person with a gun. Whether the resource officer fired the shot that killed him or whether it was self-inflicted, it was fired at the time of arrival of an armed responder.

It appears the SRO DID kill the puke.

Local media is reporting that the shooter died of self inflicted wound.


They are on the scene at the high school.


The local fox news affiliate is reporting self inflicted fatal wound.


I suppose we won't know the truth for a while.

Spokesman doesn't make it any clearer.

I’m hearing a better outcome than Florida...Chalk Board Cop kills shooter with one shot. Media, politicians and revolutionary kids are going to say the same anti-gun schit...Now, we can point to a gun on campus working to stop huge carnage. Gun in the hands of a person trained to use will help, but not prevent these POS kids from killing

And the story changes, yet again, in 5 minutes.

Sheeit antis, if banning works so well we ought to cut to the chase and ban murder. That'll get it done.

Good! He won’t do it again. There are two armed police officers at our high schools. One at junior highs and elementary schools. These officers are all retired from other police departments. They aren’t rent a cops.

It's going to take a little while to find out which bullet or if both bullets were responsible for the shooters death.

He was shot "at" by the school cop and he shot "at" himself, I've not heard it reported if he was hit by both rounds yet.

Huh, so armed response in schools does work. Imagine that.

Shooter was a student.

Shooter used a handgun.

Age to buy handgun from dealer is 21.

Does this ring any bells?

Was the student 21?

Did that law stop him?

Huh, so age limits for legal adults doesn’t make a frigging difference. Imagine that.

Dammit, Barry, stop using logic and common sense. It just confuses the Liberals.

Ed

Shooter was 17.

Those gun control laws really hampered him.

Seeing a report there was relation problems between the female victim and shooter.

But.. really early and likely it's just rumors. Couple days will tell, though a relationship problem leading to violence is far from uncommon.

More proof gun control works, right?

Wish I wasn't IP banned from foxnews comments. I would repost this a 100 times for libs to suck down.

what kind of people are we raising and why all of a sudden over the last 10 years have they come to think that you solve issues with deadly force? No doubt in my mind that they are comng up with a lack of respect for life.

That is child abuse!!!

You should have given it to him sooner!!!

I heard that too.. Shooter got engaged - shooter dead..

I hear the officer was ex- SEAL or similar... If so, you don't screw with guys like that..

Wait, a handgun? Not an AR?



P

You are better off than Payette Co. At least, last I knew, one SRO is divided between three towns with three schools in each town.

Austin Wyatt Rollins appears to be the deceased shooter.

This is about the only place you are not banned from. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

BAZINGA!

It's not just kids that will shoot anything that annoys them. It's our society.

The SRO with a gun is what stopped this tragedy. It doesn't matter where the bullet came from. This will get spun by the media just like every other story
.

Bock Bock Mofo!

Which, of course, the snowflakes will use to argue that ALL guns should be illegal.

Damn it, I thought I was logged in as Slumlord. How do I delete?

My boy is 17. What a nightmare for the parents.




P

A lack of God, a lack of boundaries, a lack of attention,a lack of discipline, a lack of respect for others.......that about covers a fair percentage of Americans. Throw in too much social media,and violent video games, and there you have it.

Umm... no.

Violent crime down, homicide rate at or near all time low, child death rates from firearms at 50+ year low..

Don't let the news of the day make you think things suck in America. That's how the liberals want to paint it, but it's far from it.

(ignore 1900-1906 - incomplete data was gathered)

The sad thing is that kid could have probably been "saved" before all this ever shook out. And the SRO has to live with the fact he shot a kid. Yes, at that moment he was a threat that had to be dealt with. And who knows how many he saved in the process.

Still a kid none the less.

It's a shame that kids don't get to be kids anymore.

I feel for the parents too!

Prayers to the innocent, F the shooter, glad he's dead, regardless of age or mental state. IMHO, there should be 1 (two would be better) trained person with a firearm on every floor, of every school in the nation, at least until we figure out how to lessen these shootings, and it's NOT more gun laws. I'm just over it! BTW, I loved that 2 week period after the Florida shooting, when that little weasel of a 15yo went on all the talk shows preaching the Liberal agenda regarding guns. I have socks older than that ignorant POS!

Again we'll have to hear the "wisdom" of the Left. Full semi-auto, high caliber rounds, etc. -TomT

You bet, it's doubtful he will want rewarded or honored for for an horrible action he had to take.

Kids his age have been sitting in front of computers playing Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, and the like, since they were six.

And yet the homicide rate continues to be lower than when you were outside playing cowboys and indians.

Hmm.

PS: Well, maybe.. don't know how old you are. It's lower than when I was outside playing at shooting indians and krauts and japs, and watching the moon landing.

Plus rewarded for "extra blood" and likely while wearing a headset and talking crap to all the other kids playing. Couple that with social media in a brain that's not fully developed and you'll see how these kids are being programmed. Mom doesn't care because "at least he's quiet" as she takes another sip of wine and post pictures of her pedicure on Facebook. Dad is livid because wife ignores him in her virtual world as Disney and every commercial on TV portrays fathers as bumbling idiots.

Watch Kirk Cameron's "Connected". The battle ain't as much guns as it is screens.

When a former Facebook CEO regrets his work and won't allow his own kids to be on Facebook, the picture is quite clear.

If a person is old enough to go on a killing spree, said person is old enough to take 2 to the chest! I too grew up in an age where we handed our school bus driver a .22 or shotgun to hunt after school. That "Norman Rockwell" era is long gone, and has been replaced by absentee parents, last place trophies, overprescribed medications, gender confusion..... a general sh$t show. Not all, but many. The Vegas ass&ole seems to be the exception as of late, because he was older than most recent mass shooting perps. The Left seems content to blame the inanimate object, rather than confront the REAL PROBLEM, which is mostly (not entirely) their values (or lack thereof)! -TomT

Good points.

Very good points.

I can somewhat "accept" how a hardened criminal uses a firearm to continue his lawlessness. Yes, they need to be caught. But where are these kids getting the idea to bring a gun to solve an issue?
Dysfunctional families? Our Godless society? Gratuitous violence? Just how is this not seen by an adolescent as a very bad idea?

Steny Hoyer the Dem. Rep. for that district called for universal background checks before knowing anything about how the acquisition of the Glock was made. It is the continuation of the mindless gun control left who are really focusing in on UBC's - which must be the targeted next step against the 2A.

The dinner table and Church can solve a lot of problems. Broken family's and self centered parents make for broken and self centered kids. My family "broke" 3 years ago. You have to work twice as hard with your kids and 10x as hard with your ex.

Fact.

I'm with you 16bore , I bet the kid had no MAN type Dad - someone to keep him in line . Someone who did things with him - hunt/fish/camp/wrestle - bet he didn't have a dirtbike or 4 wheeler . Just an empty shell of a kid with little too nothing to look forward to , probably had no dreams of doing something in life thanks to the bolshevik media prying families apart with their progressive agenda .

I was reading the other day about the bleak job market in the future - more and more of a mechanized world is headed our way - no need for human hands .

The media is a major factor.

Huge.

Post mortem accolades.....

Assume you are correct about the problem's source. What do we do RIGHT NOW to make sure there are no shootings tomorrow? A fix that is 2-3 generations in the future, because we have trained 2-3 generations to be the sort of sociopaths that do these things, isn't a viable fix. What do we change right "f" now to change the result?

... understand, I'm not sure there IS an answer, but that's what is demanded and it's not a bad idea to see if anyone has something viable to put on the table. Returns to previous values, etc are good but they don't fix the problem we have on an acceptable time line.

There are 50 million people in school across the nation. Ages 14 and up are common ages for gangs, figure that's 20 million plus.

Illinois has a population of 12 million, just as a comparison.

The level of violent crime right now in schools is AMAZINGLY low. At historic lows, actually.

There seems to be some indication that this was not the typical "mass shooting" but that the victims were targeted. Teenage brains are not fully developed, hormones are raging, cause and effect are often blurred. The point is, this is not the school shooting as typified by recent events but will undoubtedly be portrayed as such by all. In this case, there may or may not have been any of the warning signs as have been missed prior to other incidents and it may not have even progressed to becoming a mass shooting. Of course, all of this matters not at all to the antis; just as the fact that multiple layers of gun laws failed to prevent this incident is meaningless to them. GD

Thats great but I said deadly force not firearm violence. Instead of trying to deny theres a problem with statistics why not try and figure out what the real issue is. Right now you , me , guns and the nra are taking the rap.

The level might be low, but doesn't it seem to escalate a LOT faster? Don't know. Can't be fixed in a day, but no phones in school is a start. Teachers are the biggest culprit. My daughters school considers them a necessisity. It's good for the teachers to reward the kids with screen time. Keeps the class really quiet so the teachers can surf meaningless schit in peace.


Had a buddy that was dating a school teacher and she never stopped texting. It was so bad he asked if she had the day off.

Ok, fine. Figure out how to make the case for that to the public. It might be a viable option. The point is not to continue preaching to the choir here but instead to get the message out to people who don't particularly want to hear it and aren't pre-disposed to believe it.

My first mission is to make sure as many people as possible know the truth about violent crime ijn the US. Read this thread, many if not most are buying the line that you see on every mainstream media show (including Fox) that we're in an epidemic of violence.

We had one of those. It was the 80's and early 90's.

I bring it up everywhere, but as long as too many people are buying into the propaganda being put out, I'll keep putting it here.

I didn't reference firearm violence - I referenced the homicide rate. You know, that thing directly related to the use of 'deadly" force.

We're taking the rap because nobody is standing up and saying the problem doesn't exist. Sure we can do better, but screw them for wanting to repeal the 2nd Amendment when we're in historic lows of homicides and child deaths from firearms.

Violent crime in general is at historic lows, there has been a slight up-tick starting in 2014. The MSM paints it as the worst of times to push forward their agenda.

Not really sure how to interprate this,The Fla.shooting was a clear example of many crimes "not" being reported.
Promise Act and all

Good point, but the crimes that he committed that weren't reported didn't involve anybody getting hurt. So his previous crimes wouldn't have been homicides or even violent crime.

Violent crime overall isn't at all time lows, but a lot better than it was for most of our history. Trouble there might be changing definitions.. now if you push your wife out of the doorway as you storm out of the house it becomes domestic violence and bumps up the violent crime rate.

Foxnews is still saying that it's unknown if the cop got him or if he shot himself. The cop fired but they don't know if he scored. Is there anything more recent?
Also, I see he used a handgun, not a fully automatic, mass killing, 50 caliber, flame throwing AR15 bazooka. I'm sure the press will still make a lot out of it.

That resource officer was not a coward!

So, the Gov. says not enough was done.

OK Gov-- what did you do??

This is Maryland.

The governor was talking about more gun control. In fact, he would be happy if all guns were confiscated.

He would think that's "enough"... But too stupid to know it wouldn't have stopped this.

Ambushes, leave you with no option to prevent the first shot or two. No law on earth, will change that. The officer was incredibly fast, and effective.

The SRO in question was also a SWAT officer.

I'm frankly surprised he was an SRO, and not the meter maids that you see in those jobs.

The Sheriff gave a good overview of what happened this morning. He was told in advance that he would turn it over to the POS Governor of Maryland, who then pontificated all the liberal buzzwords that the MSM could then report on. Grandstanding.

The sheriff could have been way more clear about who shot at who when the SRO engaged the shooter. Now everyone wants to know if the cop killed him, or he killed himself.

I hope the SRO got a round into him. Then I hope he offed himself. Just so the SRO does not have to hear what a good kid he was,BS.

Even if violent crime is at an all time low, the sensationalism of it is at an all time high.

He's employed by the State of Maryland, ultra liberal, and the Governor, ultra liberal, I say he was given his talking points. He did the best he could, and under those circumstances, he did pretty well.

Not sure it really matters whether the SRO shot him or the kid shot himself.

The engagement was ended because of the armed resistance.

When a lieberal *don't* tell the whole story, there's a reason.

+1

What can be done now? Pretty much nothing can be done to stop these from happening, all that can be done "now" is what was just done, have measures in place to quickly stop once started to minimize the death/injuries. Media is being very quiet about this one, probably due to not enough kids shot and a gun in the school stopped it.

What can be done long term? We can pontificate all we want about broken homes, single parents, video games, those are all ancillary issues, they contribute, but are not the root cause. there are two root causes:

1) Kids today are not held accountable, to many people excuse bad behavior rather than punish for it and hold them accountable so there is not fear of doing dumb things.
2) Social skills are lacking, things like problem solving and conflict resolution, basic interaction with others, those skills.

Solve those, and over time the issue will go away, probably not all the way cause there's always a "whack-a-doodle" out there, but this coddle mentality has to end.

I think you nailed it.

No doubt, a LOT of things contribute and minimizing those contributions will lessen the occurrence....but....evil will always be evil and some folks are just eat up with it. For those people I don't think there is anything that can be done through changing the environment, etc. They are going to be evil and find a way.

Most (not all) police officers in schools are working there on an off duty basis, as an extra job. They come in all flavors.