The only difference that I can see is that McCarthy was running a kangaroo court to hound and destroy the reputations of suspected communists and Mueller is doing the same thing to the president. McCarthy was eventually censured and disgraced. When will it happen to Mueller?

McCarthy exposed Communists.

Mueller is one.

McCarthy was an anti-communist whistle-blower, who the fake media hated. Mueller is an anti-Trump swamp creature who the fake media loves.

Nice try. Do you ever try the truth?

We'd all be better off if McCarthy was taken more seriously. We'd also be better off if Robert Mueller was in prison for life, along with all his minions both up and down the chain.

McCarthy was way more correct than people want to give him credit for. If they would have let him go we would be in a lot better shape as a country today.

The commies won!

The Bolsheviks have been the enemy of the right since at least the late 19th century. Nothing about that has changed.

When you see an entity launching attacks on the right, it's Bolsheviks and their useful idiots,....both in America and Europe.

McCarthy was more correct than ever he realized. He'd schitt if he could look around America today.

Bingo.

What's the difference between Joseph McCarthy and Robert Mueller?

Their initials are different?

McCarthy was an American Patriot. So WAS John F Kennedy.

astutenews.com/2019/01/12/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/

Yes McCarthy exposed a few actual communists. But he ruined the reputation of many honest American patriots who simply didn't want to knuckle under to his (and the left's) despicable tactics, Mueller is doing the same thing. It's about time that we got rid of him.

McCarthy was a crackpot and Mueller is the man who is going to imprison Trump and his family for their decades of crimes. There may even be an execution or two before all is said and done.

How much fun will it be when Trump ends up in solitary confinement (like Manafort) until he dies?

Who?

I'd really like to read up on those leftist Democrat "Patriots" that got caught up in McCarthy's investigations.

Wont be much fun for you libtards when you stir up the wrath of the real American people and your ilk unlawfully unseats a duly elected US President.

I would too Bristoe. McCarthy was right and a Patriot.
Thinking is no longer an option in this new world. Group think is the Cabal agenda.



"Friedrich Nietzsche said that most people try to get through their lifetimes attempting to avoid any real thought.

Most Normies are sports watching, TV junkies. They HATE thinking.

For them, life is much, much easier if decisions are either/or types of choices.

Republican or Democrat? Right or left? Conservative or liberal? Right or wrong? Good or evil? Black or white?

Do I continue agreeing and supporting with my D "leaders" (Chuck and Nancy) even though common sense (and facts) keep telling me that we'd be a much safer, prosperous country if we had a protected border?"

Yes… or no?

This singular decision is now being shoved in their faces over and over and over until they will be forced to either [bleep] or wind their watch!

Common sense vs. blind (unthinking) loyalty (and avoiding the pain of questioning one's own beliefs and values).

"It's easier to fool someone than to get them to admit they've been fooled." – Mark Twain"

Man, every time I think that you liberals can't possibly get any more stupid, one of you digs REALLY deep and pulls it off.

I agree.

But actually , Herr Mueller's gang is more like the SS Gestapo , and just as fascist.

Spoken like the socialist peice of schit that you truly are, JEFF.

They're no fascists. They're Communists.

Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot who loved his country, and seen the writing on the wall. Obviously, he was right.

Robert Mueller is no patriot, simply a sellout who works for the Deep State/The Clintons/The Communist Party, whatever you'd care to call them.

Exactly correct.

The Clintons are just high ranking useful idiots. They got away with a lot because of that, but their day has come and gone.

Correctamundo.

McCarthy's "quest" was based on facts; but, not believed at the time and asserted to be based on speculation and conjecture. Mueller's "quest" is based on speculation and conjecture and is believed at the time (now) based solely on hope and desired and denial of facts.

TheBigSky=wordsmith.

Good post brother.

McCarthy was right.

McCarthy was a witch hunter who did not need any facts. He used innuendo and quilt by association to destroy good people.

I was just a highschool kid in Wisconsin and I watched him do it on our black & white TV.

How many Communists do you think he could locate in Hollywood if he were alive today?

None

Profoundly inaccurate.

Unfortunately your public school education has misled you.

Democrats and liberals are liars and cheats. They want power and control of the people. They hate Americans, the Constitution, and the USA. They are enemies and traitors. They are socialist and communist.

There's not one communist in Hollywood?!

I went to a damn fine high school with a lot of WWII veteran teachers.

But the TV was in our living room.

“Have you no sense of decency, sir?”
In April 1954, Senator McCarthy turned his attention to “exposing” the supposed communist infiltration of the armed services. Many people had been willing to overlook their discomfort with McCarthyism during the senator’s campaign against government employees and others they saw as “elites”; now, however, their support began to wane. Almost at once, the aura of invulnerability that had surrounded McCarthy for nearly five years began to disappear. First, the Army undermined the senator’s credibility by showing evidence that he had tried to win preferential treatment for his aides when they were drafted. Then came the fatal blow: the decision to broadcast the “Army-McCarthy” hearings on national television. The American people watched as McCarthy intimidated witnesses and offered evasive responses when questioned. When he attacked a young Army lawyer, the Army’s chief counsel thundered, “Have you no sense of decency, sir?” The Army-McCarthy hearings struck many observers as a shameful moment in American politics.
https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/joseph-mccarthy

You are lying about what I posted.

I said McCarthy could not find any more today than he did in the early 1950s.

I'm not lying about anything. I specifically asked you how many communists McCarthy could find in Hollywood today and you replied "None".

Do you want to change your answer?

McCarthy was chasing real communists. Most of the people he accused were revealed as communists, some after his death. Mueller, on the other hand, is a blunt instrument of the left. Maybe you don't remember this because it happened a while ago, but Clinton staffers wrote a book about the 2016 presidential campaign called "Shattered". This book made it clear that Mook and Podesta, Clinton campaign managers, came up with the Russia Collusion lie to cover up their ignominious defeat. From the book:

"That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.

"In Brooklyn, her team coalesced around the idea that Russian hacking was the major unreported story of the campaign, overshadowed by the contents of stolen e-mails and Hillary’s own private- server imbroglio."

So the whole thing was made up from whole cloth, and the real scandal is that federal police agencies and judges were either willing accomplices to this fraud or deceived, and used the power of the federal government against a presidential candidate and president-elect. And they continue the Mueller investigation with absolutely zero evidence of an underlying crime in contravention of US law. I hope they are all line up against a wall and machine gunned.

TwoEyedJack,

EXACTLY SO. President is 100% CORRECT when he called Mueller's "investigation" a WITCH HUNT.
(Mueller's problem is that the INTELLIGENT people of the USA know that there is NO witch to find. - Only STUPID people believe Mueller's crowd of HATERS, LEFTISTS & DIMocRATS.)

yours, tex

Based on his record...Lying "Tailg0unner Joe" never found any "Communists."

All someone like him could do today is mislabel left leaning liberals.

More McCarthy bull sh*t.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-08-08.html

LIBERALS' SECRET WEAPON: REPUBLICANS WHO DON'T READ

No, the idea that McCarthy threw out unsubstantiated charges and switched numbers, from 57 to 205, were the wild-eyed allegations of McCarthy haters, which, on closer examination, turned out to be completely false, just like the accusations against the Duke lacrosse players, the tea partiers and Rove.

It was proved false at the time -- not just decades later, when McCarthy was vindicated with a whoop with the release of Soviet archives and cables.
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The truth about McCarthy's Wheeling speech, including the committee's memo finding that McCarthy was telling the truth, and a newspaper article reprinting the speech before it became a object of obsession by Democrats, is given in M. Stanton Evans' monumental book, Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies.

Moreover, contrary to the nonsense about McCarthy not being able to name the 57 specific individuals, the very day he got back to Washington, he gave a six-hour speech on the Senate floor, providing details about each one of the 57 problematic State Department employees, chapter and verse. He did not "name names" because that was not his point.

As McCarthy said, some State Department employees with communist associations might be innocent. His point was: The Democrats were still refusing to take Soviet espionage seriously by investigating these preposterous risks on the government payroll.

The older you get the more ridiculously stupid you become.

The Bolshi media lied to the general public about Joe McCarthy and you bought it hook,line and sinker.

Apparently you're incapable of searching for the truth and rely upon the b u l l s h i t you were fed when you were young.

You should really stop embarrassing yourself with your ignorance about the Communist penetration of this nations press,media and government.

I like Little Annie...when she is right...But this one she got completely wrong.
Reminds me of when she backed Romney.
She is right about the "Wild-eyed" accusations against Rove...

Ask her if she has ever watched re-runs of "Tail-gunner Joe."

Let me re-ask the same question. How any innocent people with communist associations did McCarthy ruin by calling them "spies?"

Tail Gunner Joe is a movie that was made in Hollywood.

Where a huge communist/Bolshevik population lives.

The term McCarthyism described the practice of publicly accusing government employees of political disloyalty or subversive activities and using unsavory investigatory methods to prosecute them. The criticisms of McCarthyism, and of Wisconsin Senator Joseph McCarthy (pictured here) in particular, are threefold. First, he ruined the reputations and lives of many people by accusing them without credible evidence. Second, he used accusations of communist sympathies to counterattack anyone who criticized his methods. And, third, he argued against freedom of speech because much of his rhetoric assumed that any discussion of the ideas underlying communism was dangerous and un-American. The U.S. Supreme Court has referenced McCarthyism in several of its First Amendment decisions.


https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1061/mccarthyism

Are you sure bout stuff?


http://thepeoplescube.com/current-t...c-party-for-stealing-platform-t5149.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/communist-party-usa-working-with-the-democratic-pa/

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-d...or/democratic-party-party-of-communists/

A cut and paste from Wikipedia.LOL

Deciphering truth from propaganda is not your forte.

Here's another movie that came out of Hollywood not that long ago.



Here's some info on the main character. (although none of the executions that he ordered were shown in the movie)

Che Guevara was a prominent communist figure in the Cuban Revolution (1956–59) who went on to become a guerrilla leader in South America. Executed by the Bolivian army in 1967, he has since been regarded as a martyred hero by generations of leftists worldwide. Guevara’s image remains a prevalent icon of leftist radicalism.
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Since his death, Guevara has become a legendary political figure. His name is often equated with rebellion, revolution, and socialism. Others, however, still remember that he could be ruthless and ordered prisoners executed without trial in Cuba. Guevara’s life continues to be a subject of great public interest and been explored and portrayed in numerous books and films, including The Motorcycle Diaries (2004).

McCarthy picked that name for himself.

Did he write the screenplay for the movie?

I'm not sure he is reading or thinking about what he is posting.
Knowing how leftist much of DC is, then reading his posts is like he is trying to prove to us that DC is leftist/communist.
Totally amazing.

Mueller is more likely to be honored for saving the country from a traitor and liar. Time will tell.

In a man's world (this forum)... you're like a pair of lace panties.

McCarthy gave approximately 100 names to the Tydings Committee to be investigated.

At the end of 1954, 81 of those on McCarthy's list had left the government either by dismissal or resignation.

McCarthy was right.

We will just have to wait and see.

Mccarthy used grandstanding tactits, and tried to use the court of public opinion and fear to make his points. He did not preform an investigation in the true sense. He followed templates used in other totalitarian regimes like Stalin's USSR, and Hitlers Germany.

The Mueller investigation is not similar in any way, except for President Trumps behavior towards it. I would hope that the american public will be able to see what the investigation found, so we can judge for ourselves.

Yep...

Grand Prize Winner!!!

That's actually not right.

When The Venona Papers were released (the KGB did actually keep track of CPUSA members and sympathizers), it vindicated McCarthy at 100%. Every single person McCarthy outed was in fact a communist. McCarthy's only failing was not outing more.

Bowsinger, you are wrong and Bristoe is correct.

Hollywood -- or "show business" -- has been well populated with communists since the 1920s, and has continued through today. Back in the '30s and '40s, it was normal for many people in "the Business" to claim membership in the Communist Party USA. After the HUAA Committe and McCarthy hearings, many just went underground. Same ideology, just not as overt. To this day, the greatest heroes of the Hollywood set are the Hollywood Ten, the ten writers who refused to testify as to their membership in the Communist Party, or against the writers who were also members of the CPUSA.

Were the Hollywood Ten writers communists? Damned right. Dalton Trumbo was a leader of the bunch and was a stone cold communist. He even wrote for and edited the communist newspaper for awhile. So was Ring Lardner, Jr., Howard Fast, John Howard Lawson, and the others. They, and many other actors, writers, directors, etc., known communists were blacklisted by the studios. These people sought the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and our Constitutional Republic and wanted to replace them with a Soviet based government.

Let me make it clear here that I do not believe in any government censorship or blacklisting although my political ideology is 180° opposite those communists or socialists or progressives, or whatever the call themselves at the moment.

The heads of the studios "blacklisted" the Hollywood Ten and others, not the government. After several years, a number of the writers were able again to work in Hollywood, Dalton Trumbo and Carl Foreman being the most noted.

I assure you there are communists in Hollywood today, but what they usually call themselves are "socialists" or "progressives. I have known a number of them. Their ideology is no different than in previous years. I know a successful writer who loves firearms and has stated "My politics are to the left of Fidel Castro's." I've shot with him at the Beverly Hills Gun Club.

The reason I know what I am posting here is my background is "show business." Although I am now retired, I have been a successful screenwriter since pre-WGA strike of 1973. I have been a current member of the Writers Guild of America since pre-WGA strike of 1973 and am today, a current member. I say again, Bristoe is correct.

FWIW.

L.W.

I just don't understand why he called me a liar after I asked how many Communists McCarthy could find in Hollywood today,..and he replied "None".

I said, so there's no Communists in Hollywood today?,..and he got all smarmy.

Anyway,...anybody who thinks that Communism is rare in America should go to Democratic Underground and see all the posters there who use Karl Marx as their avitar.

It's not like the Communists is America are hiding these days.

You're a moron.

The front lines is a hard place to be and still maintain ones patriotic principles. Thank you L.W. for maintaining.

"Smamy"? You are the one twisting my words and refusing to answer my question.

Even so you are admitting that you have sexual fantasies about me? Disgusting!

Hey Leroy!!!

The truth of Gunner Joe McCarthy is he was telling the truth. Mueller is running a star chamber operation, very similar to what Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro ran. Mueller knew when he started this "investigation" was nothing more then smoke and mirrors.
The FBI needs to be disbanded and the Dept Of Justice should be decimated.

Boy are there a lot of dumbpoop libs on this sight.

McCarthy, whom history has vindicated, was fighting against a real threat.

Mueller is running a hoax under the color of law.

There isn't a commie term called "Muellerism", so go figure who is or isn't behind the narrative, its only been a hundred years into this [bleep]...

People who haven't been coined with a personal "ism" in their direction, either believes in communism, socialism or is a [bleep] clueless idiot on how this [bleep] has been laid out like stolen jewels over the years.

In case you didn't get the metaphor, men converse here. You don't belong.

The ONLY reason he was wrong was he underestimated the number of communists in both government and media....

My opinion on the significant differences. McCarthy was trying to stop communism, while Mueller appears to be trying to end the Republic. Though both, used tactics that were not Constitutional! memtb

The OP doesn't understand the real history surrounding McCarthy.

Like McCarthy, I hope Mueller is vindicated also. This will be damned interesting when it's over. I still think Rosenstein is our guy and won't be shocked if Mueller is also.

link


The FBI’s attempts to re-engage Steele, who had been fired by the FBI six months earlier for breaking protocol by talking to reporters, were soon thwarted by the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller.

McCabe appears to have been blindsided by the appointment of Mueller, who was appointed as special counsel on May 17, 2017, the day after a meeting with Trump and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in the oval office.

McCarthy has never been vindicated by history.

I was there and saw with my own eyes what a Hoax he really was.

It have been proven that Communists infiltrated our government.

But Joe never caught any of them.

With your background you should know the history of what happened to some of the Hollywood writers and actors that were blacklisted or threatened to be blacklisted.
That Humphrey Bogart had to write and defend himself: “I’m No Communist” to keep from being blacklisted.
“Sterling Hayden: I was a rat, a stoolie, and the names I named of those close friends were blacklisted and deprived of their livelihood.

You keep pissing in the wind on this thread.

The Bolshi controlled media lied to you and the public decades ago and you're too lazy to discover the truth.

Who gives a rat's ass what happened to the the Russian Jews and their collaborators?

“Sterling Hayden: I was a rat, a stoolie, and the names I named of those close friends were blacklisted and deprived of their livelihood.

I repeat ONE-MORE-TIME for those with reading comprehension problems...media My Ass...I watched McCarthy live on TV...his own hearings showed what a POS he really was.

McCarthy was trying to preemptively stop the bullschit.....

Mueller is trying to keep LBJ,s great society end game going......

How's that for a deep fugging thought.....










Mike drop.............

"I watched McCarthy live on TV...his own hearings showed what a POS he really was."

I watched it live too and McCarthy had evidence that proved that ALL the people he interviewed live on TV were actual Communists. The ones that were just suspects were interviewed in private and released.

Yes, I do know although I arrived in Los Angeles much later than the HUAA Committee hearings of the early 1950s. By the time I got there, the "blacklist" was mostly a thing of the past. There were several reasons it faded away. Probably the main reason the blacklist was broken was when Kirk Douglas agreed to star in Sparticus, which was written by Dalton Trumbo under a psuedonym. Douglas told the studio he'd only star in the movie if Trumbo's real name was listed in the movie's credits as "Written by Dalton Trumbo." The studio agreed as Douglas was very "hot" and they valued his box office appeal.

As I posted, I do not believe in blacklists or censorship but it was the studio heads who blacklisted the communists and communist sympathizers in Hollywood. But they had every Right to do what they did. Fortunately, that era passed.

BTW, you mentioned Sterling Hayden. If you want to read an interesting story, check into Hayden's carreer in the OSS during WW II.

FWIW.

L.W.

McCarthy wasn't looking for communists in Hollywood.

Some believe this caused S. H. to drink himself to death.

The studio heads had no right to blacklist innocent people.

The biggest difference is that McCarthy was right.

McCarthy proved nothing.


The Army proved that.

Only because the commies got him stopped. And now, here we are. Fighting commies again. Bow, I like a lot of the way you think, but you're pretty far off on this one.

McCarthy went on live TV and stopped himself. It soon came out about all the innocent lives he ruined.

FDR aligned with Stalin in WW2,...enabled the Bolsheviks to succeed,..and consequently unleashed Communism on the world.

The buzzards started coming to roost in America very shortly after. Now they run the show,...literally.

Turn on your TV and watch the show.

You wouldn't know a real Communist if he bit you in the ass.

I don't know if that caused Sterling Hayden to "drink himself to death," because he died of cancer. But ... Hollywood has always been full of booze hounds and dope heads. There has never been any shortage of Hollywoodites getting sloshed or loaded, notwithstanding the HUAA Committee.

Yes, the studio heads had the "right" to blacklist anyone they wanted. After all, they owned the studios and dictated whomever worked there, actors, writers, directors, etc., etc. They could hire or fire anyone they wanted at their leisure. Whether it was "morally" correct is another debate.

L.W.

lolol,....

After the Kavanaugh hearing, any leftist who wants to complain about unfair treatment can GF themselves.

Good read:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/15223-the-real-mccarthy-record

I found this part particularly interesting:

Communist infiltration of the State Department began in the 1930s. On September 2, 1939, former Communist Whittaker Chambers provided Assistant Secretary of State Adolph Berle with the names and Communist connections of two dozen spies in the government, including Alger Hiss. Berle took the information to President Roosevelt, but FDR laughed it off. Hiss moved rapidly up the State Department ladder and served as an advisor to Roosevelt at the disastrous Yalta Conference in 1945 that paved the way for the Soviet conquest of Central and Eastern Europe. Hiss also functioned as the secretary general of the founding meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco, helped to draft the UN Charter, and later filled dozens of positions at the UN with American Communists before he was publicly exposed as a Soviet spy by Whittaker Chambers in 1948.

So,..a Communist spy was an advisor to FDR in 1945.

About Alger Hiss:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/dece_hiss.html

In 1996, shortly after Hiss's death, a collection of Venona decrypts was declassified. One of the messages, dated March 30, 1945, refers to an American with the code name Ales. According to the message, Ales was a Soviet agent working in the State Department, who accompanied President Roosevelt to the 1945 Yalta Conference and then flew to Moscow, both of which Hiss did. The message goes on to indicate that Ales met with Andrei Vyshinsky, the Commissar for Foreign Affairs, and was commended for his aid to the Soviets. Analysts at the National Security Agency have gone on record asserting that Ales could only have been Alger Hiss.

Operation Mockingbird:

https://joejarvis.me/2013/02/04/operation-mockingbird-cias-propaganda-machine/

Contrary to statutory and legal limitations, once the network in authority in the CIA saw its interests threatened, Wisner was directed to unleash Mockingbird on McCarthy. Drew Pearson, Joe Alsop, Jack Anderson, Walter Lippmann and Ed Murrow all engaged in intensely negative coverage of McCarthy, whose political reputation was permanently damaged by the press coverage orchestrated by Wisner.

Glad somebody brought up this topic. I pretty much figured that McCarthy's reputation had been trashed by the Communists. But until now I didn't realize that it had been orchestrated by Operation Mockingbird.

It also explains why so much of the negative press towards Trump seems synchronized between so many media outlets.

Operation Mockingbird seems to be very much alive. It's the American propaganda machine. It's the "News".

The Democrats tried to do to Kavanaugh what McCarthy tried to do in his hearings.No due process of law.

The Alger Hiss story was before McCarthy and had nothing to do with McCarthy showing the whole world on TV what a POS he really was.

After his televised downfall McCarthy was censored by his own Senate and the SCOTUS has used "McCarthyism" to protect due process in several cases.