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I hope this is better than the TX deer lease thread. Get em ,slum.
Fascinating! Are you likely to find points anywhere in the field or are there smaller areas of the field that you find them and in the remainder of the field you don't?
Cool
Send that sucker to 'flave,

he's built hisself a stick bow down in the tx lease thread.

Geno
Somehow I thought you'd have those arrowhead hunters digging the same spot. You know, kinda like if you were digging a septic tank
Just find them laying on top the ground?
kinda hard to find them under the top of the ground....
Couple more a few mins ago

Slow going, it will be plowed probably next week


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We are relocating a mile down the road to scope a different patch of ground

Check back in about an hour
What part of TN are you in?

That field looks like soil on the plateau.
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Everytime a field is plowed - arrowheads can be found .
Friend od mine Eugene who passed away several years ago - farming family warren county ,Oh. - he found burial grounds/complete indian skeletons/pottery /tomahawks/spear/ thousands of arrowheads . Found some medicine man tribal great guy whatever items - in Ky. collectors came from around the USA to see his collection .

He could walk crosscountry to this place about 3 miles - only a 3/4 mile for me : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ancient_(Lebanon,_Ohio) [copy and paste not working lately .

His son sold some of the inherited collection for $50K . Eugene bought a double wide trailer in the late 70's - parked it behind his house and laid his collection out .
He was an expert with indian artifacts and a great all around guy , looked like dan haggerty ..
These threads fascinate me. Finding an arrowhead is on my bucket list. I look but still haven't found one.
Same here. I have looked but never found one.
Originally Posted by slowmover12
What part of TN are you in?

That field looks like soil on the plateau.



That's good red NW Tenn dirt. It might even be some of the Southern KY dirt, as they like to sneak up here and steal my rocks.....lol
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?
Originally Posted by huntsman22
kinda hard to find them under the top of the ground....



TFF
Originally Posted by Rooster7
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?


Imagine couple thousand years, generation after generation of natives moving up and down water systems using the areas to camp, hunt and gather and live.
I found a spear head years ago, never an arrowhead.
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Originally Posted by Rooster7
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?


Imagine couple thousand years, generation after generation of natives moving up and down water systems using the areas to camp, hunt and gather and live.


^^^This^^^
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Same here. I have looked but never found one.


Your not looking in the right place. 🤠

Hint: look close to rivers & creeks or natural springs.
Originally Posted by Rooster7
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?




yea rooster...….that's how plinking got started...…...bob
Originally Posted by slumlord
Couple more a few mins ago

Slow going, it will be plowed probably next week


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Slum,

Which tribe or tribes would those be from?
Originally Posted by Rooster7
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?


You could go out and walk plowed fields anywhere east of the mississippi river and find arrowheads .
My deceased friend Eugene traveled all over the midwest searching for areas that held big indian tribes . He'd go to Reservations and talk to old indians this was back in the 60's-90's and hear their old stories etc. .
He found a cave in Ky. and found a complete skeleton of an indian female and a baby skeleton - other stuff - that was his 'big find' .
He'd mix in mushroom hunting - did it his whole life .
I found one a few years back.
Been looking ever since.

Not all fields are the same.
My fields yield almost nothing.
I go to a friends place and find lots of flakes and debitage.
And my one good point.
Originally Posted by Mathsr
Fascinating! Are you likely to find points anywhere in the field or are there smaller areas of the field that you find them and in the remainder of the field you don't?

Sure as fugg not in the area slumlord seen 50 yr old tard banana bike riding guy several times over the years he wanted to check out today. crazy
Nearest thing I can think corkinstien was looking for in that one feild was a popped mylar balloon, old dried up worms or ninja turtle action figures. crazy

At least we eliminated that place.....

Moral of the story ....
I dont fugging know........

Did find some broken stuff in another feild.
Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by slumlord
Couple more a few mins ago

Slow going, it will be plowed probably next week


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Slum,

Which tribe or tribes would those be from?


Not tribal, these pre-date any organizational heirarchy. This is early to mid archaic stuff. 4,000-6,000 BC

Migrating clusters and camps of hunters, small family groups. Mostly hypothesizing.
Originally Posted by slumlord
We are relocating a mile down the road to scope a different patch of ground

Check back in about an hour

This was the place skippy/ slumlord was saying we needed to go check that he seen 50 yr old banana bike riding guy at.


Hahahaha!!!
Called it quits

The other spot turned up nothing but a broken serrated mid section. Renegade has that. 2 miles of clod stumbling to confirm a possible spot is a 'nothing spot'

The first site mid morning had plenty of good stuff, it simply awaits plowing and obviously way better search conditions.

We were check for anything that might have been revealed off of the December breakup this operation does.

It's had 3 solid months of heavy rain, however the sprouting glass clumps and the soybean duff and straw are hindering good ground searching.


We will return again in a few day to re-check 3 other hotspots within a turn row that have recieved extra plowing.





Will do a scrub up tonight and post the brokes and blade and one surprise.
They don't plow around here at all.
If you find an Elizabeth Warren Signature Series, those are very rare and worth a lot of money. Pretty easy to spot since they are 100% pure white.
Almost everything is no-till, anywhere you go.

The one guy we search on, he still believes in flipping soil.

He farms 18k-20k acres of cropland.
Originally Posted by NDsnowman
If you find an Elizabeth Warren Signature Series, those are very rare and worth a lot of money. Pretty easy to spot since they are 100% pure white.

Brokes from today, just like her DNA...
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Bifur


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That one was worth the effort today...
Nice.
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That bifurcated has more trans paleo things about it to me with its slight base fluting than a bifurcated serrated kirk.

I think it's a bifurcated Hardaway now that ya washed it up

Click on the group pics on projectile points.com

You will see what I'm saying


Find of the day!!!
Nice! Just saw this after my other post....

Don't shoot me with that thing. Looks dangerous.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bifur


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Transistional paleo/ early archaic

That slight fluted and bifurcated base

Hardaway.....
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Originally Posted by slumlord
Bifur


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Transistional paleo/ early archaic

That slight fluted and bifurcated base

Hardaway.....


How old would that make it ?
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Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bifur


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Transistional paleo/ early archaic

That slight fluted and bifurcated base

Hardaway.....


How old would that make it ?

Around 7000 -9000 BC ish I'm geussing.

I go to projectile points.com to research stuff

Pretty good nationwide ID site.

The more ya look at the site the more you retain and learn from it.
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Originally Posted by Bwana_1
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bifur


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Transistional paleo/ early archaic

That slight fluted and bifurcated base

Hardaway.....


How old would that make it ?

Around 7000 -9000 BC ish I'm geussing.

I go to projectile points.com to research stuff

Pretty good nationwide ID site.

The more ya look at the site the more you retain and learn from it.



That's amazing !!!, and a great hobby...hope to find one some day.
Outstanding
We call those Frio points down here.

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We call those Frio points down here.

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That's interesting
The hardaway range is like from PA down thru the southeast
Just into east texas a little
Then that frio point you have range is west and southwest Texas into mexico.

With a big gap in the boundaries and no overlap in central Texas
And time frames completely different .

But same style of point basically.


I really like the projectile point web site

Pick up excellent info fast from it
And learn schitt new all the time
So the Bifir one... does the material come from a local source? because any we find up here come from many hundreds of miles away down south direction. I believe migrations (trade routes) were north-south around here following the western rockies rather than east west like today.
Interesting how you guys find many consistantly, cool.
I really need to start looking now that the flood has washed away every leaf that was ever on my property.

Hell, there's an Indian mound not 1/2 mile from my front door.
I managed a nice little Washita, a crude knife, and a handle from a drill. One buffalo skull and two tiny cork bottles. Killed a beaver with my Chief special to top off the day.
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Uncle found a big Geary and an awesome giant flint point with perfect notches and ears but the tip was broken off. Dad picked up a couple chert points both pretty crude.
Originally Posted by TheKid
I managed a nice little Washita, a crude knife, and a handle from a drill. One buffalo skull and two tiny cork bottles. Killed a beaver with my Chief special to top off the day.
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Pic of the entire haul?
Forgot my phone at home today so no pics of anyone else’s goods and some peckerhead swiped my buffler skull before I could come back for it.
This thread is cool as heck.

Keep it going!
Originally Posted by BobMt
Originally Posted by Rooster7
It always amazes me when people find an arrowhead, much less more than one in a day.

Were the Injuns just flinging arrows around all willy nilly or sumptin?




yea rooster...….that's how plinking got started...…...bob



Just spit coffee....you fucghk!
Hunts,

Post some more of yours. Those are cool!
Originally Posted by TheKid
I managed a nice little Washita, a crude knife, and a handle from a drill. One buffalo skull and two tiny cork bottles. Killed a beaver with my Chief special to top off the day.
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Kinda looks like what is named a big sandy around here in the base design


It's cool how points across the country have similar features seperated by regions and time.

Movement , knowledge , trade stuff.
I had an obsidian point before I sold off my stuff earlier this year.
Ain't none of that material around here this far away from the west.
you guys are lucky to have such easy pickings in your area. must have been more injuns down that way than here in PA. my best is a scraper made from a fossilized toad stool. i need to get out this spring when they start plowing again.
I found one in extreme SW North Dakota on an antelope hunt. It was on top of a ridge overlooking a river. I just happened to look down and there it was.

That's the only one I ever found. Pretty thrilling experience though.
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
I found one in extreme SW North Dakota on an antelope hunt. It was on top of a ridge overlooking a river. I just happened to look down and there it was.

That's the only one I ever found. Pretty thrilling experience though.

That is the only type of place, geographically speaking, I have found anything. Learned that from a post huntsman made a couple years ago, and low and behold I started finding stuff. Saddle on a ridge overlooking water.
Originally Posted by nemotheangler
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
I found one in extreme SW North Dakota on an antelope hunt. It was on top of a ridge overlooking a river. I just happened to look down and there it was.

That's the only one I ever found. Pretty thrilling experience though.

That is the only type of place, geographically speaking, I have found anything. Learned that from a post huntsman made a couple years ago, and low and behold I started finding stuff. Saddle on a ridge overlooking water.



Damn! The number of times I've done that, I've never looked for anything smaller than an antelope!

I will know better from now on.
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Originally Posted by slumlord
Couple more a few mins ago

Slow going, it will be plowed probably next week


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Slum,

Which tribe or tribes would those be from?

Looks to be from the infamous "Islapahoe" tribe.
I once found a tomahawk, but had to throw it back. The handle was rotted out of it.
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Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by slumlord
Couple more a few mins ago

Slow going, it will be plowed probably next week


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Slum,

Which tribe or tribes would those be from?

Looks to be from the infamous "Islapahoe" tribe.
I once found a tomahawk, but had to throw it back. The handle was rotted out of it.



Not the "Fuggarewetribe??"
Originally Posted by Rooster7

Not the "Fuggarewetribe??"


We have a member here that belongs to that tribe.. smile
Hit it again today, renegade with a heartbreaker; he will post up when gets it cleaned.

2 bluebird days in a row.




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I'll post his insitu, he messaged me says he already looked it up.


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I bet it was plow broken... frown
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Lerma Bi point blade
Aka Ovoid blade
8000 BC - 3000 BC
trans paleo to mid archaic

Couple small broke square knife bases
Couple broke peices
Nice thumb / heel scraper
I like scrapers.

Told slumlord to go check out the way better spot and I would check out the other spot since I can cover ground a little faster.

Got done
He was taking a break
So i crossed the road to see if he wanted to call it a day.
30 yards from him I stopped
Said dude you ain't gonna beleive this!!!

He asked me if I beleive in god before I pulled it
I said ya but not how men tell me to believe

I faced north said a few words.

Plow hit but still a great find.
How old are those points that you guys are finding?

I tried to google the answer to that question and couldn't get any good answer.

It would be interesting if you guys who keep up with that stuff would put a date on the types of points you're finding. Not the exact year, of course,..but whether they're 1000 years old or 5000 years old,...ballpark dates.
Slumlord found a real nice Benton blade probably not 50ft away from this about 4 yrs ago.

That was a sweet find after 2 other guys still on the feild had looked in the area. Foot prints all around it literally.
And we had just rolled up and got out of my truck and had not walked 20 yards into the feild yet.

It was funny.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
How old are those points that you guys are finding?

I tried to google the answer to that question and couldn't get any good answer.

It would be interesting if you guys who keep up with that stuff would put a date on the types of points you're finding. Not the exact year, of course,..but whether they're 1000 years old or 5000 years old,...ballpark dates.


I enjoy identifying em
Projectile points .net
Everytime you add to your knowledge

Search
State
Type of shape and characteristics.
Alot of em cross eras with a broad time frame
Others are very specific.
I found a Clovis couple years ago.
Slumlord found a Cumberland/ beaver creek last year.
Both early or mid paleo
8000 BC - 9500 BC 10k years old maybe up to11.5k yrs old.

That projectile points.net web site covers the continent.
And is a wealth of instant info.

When slumlord was getting his transplant.
I checked out our library's overstreet book
Bout 1200 page paper back
No one ever checked it out for 3 yrs prior.

Told em I lost it , paid for it.
Little over 30 dollars.
Gift for him in the hospital.

Here's your other pic

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It’s a shame you have to walk around N [bleep]. You should build an arrow head house..
Bristoe:

most of the artifacts we find in the areas we go to, have ONLY late-paleo/transitional-paleo 6k-8k years old
early archaic to mid archaic 4k-6k years old

*estimated
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bristoe:

most of the artifacts we find in the areas we go to, have ONLY late-paleo/transitional-paleo 6k-8k years old
early archaic to mid archaic 4k-6k years old

*estimated




Thanks,...I saw those terms mentioned when I looked into it, but I couldn't find any information on what they meant as far as what time period they represented.
It's interesting, though,....finding a man made object in a field that pre dates the birth of Christ by 4 millennia. I've got a Tyrian shekel from 65 AD that seems old to me. Some of those points you're picking up are 4000 years older than that.
What type of rock are those artifacts made from and are they locally sourced? If so, where? Have you found a source area? I think this is very cool stuff; never found an arrowhead.

Thanks, RS
Originally Posted by SandBilly
It’s a shame you have to walk around N [bleep]. You should build an arrow head house..

Ya it's like the lord of the flies book out their man

Hahahaha!!!
Your a fugging nugg crazy laugh laugh
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by SandBilly
It’s a shame you have to walk around N [bleep]. You should build an arrow head house..

Ya it's like the lord of the flies book out their man

Hahahaha!!!
Your a fugging nugg crazy laugh laugh


I do my best...
There's a big crop fiend right next to my place that I'd like to walk to look for old points. But I don't want the guy to put up a "No arrowheading" sign to go with his "No fishing" sign.

I'm about to get the redass about all these signs pointing at my house.

It's starting to look like a damn Burma Shave advertisement.
He ought to just put up one big sign,..

"Cain't do schitt here! Don't ask!"
Originally Posted by RipSnort
What type of rock are those artifacts made from and are they locally sourced? If so, where? Have you found a source area? I think this is very cool stuff; never found an arrowhead.

Thanks, RS

Slumlord is the rockologist

We have found material source,s .
Originally Posted by Bristoe
There's a big crop fiend right next to my place that I'd like to walk to look for old points. But I don't want the guy to put up a "No arrowheading" sign to go with his "No fishing" sign.

I'm about to get the redass about all these signs pointing at my house.

It's starting to look like a damn Burma Shave advertisement.

laugh laugh laugh
One and ony I ever found was in Goshen County Wyoming, Lone Tree Canyon. Wife's uncle lived in Chugwater and knew who to ask to get in. A perfect little thing laying under the edge of a sage brush. There were lots of chips in some of the potholes along the cliff edges, probably sitting there chipping and watching. There were also the wagon ruts worn in the sandstone; must have been a tough trip to go places then.

There is an abandoned wheat field behind us, never thought to look hard there. Some people used to find stuff along Sand Creek and Tollgate Creek.
I tend to find a fair amount of flakes. Not too many points.
Chert

Nodules plucked from the surrounding landscape.

(St Louis limestone formation)


I don't know all individual nuances of chert such as ("wayne county variety, hornstone, buffalo river, etc)

You cannot take a step without putting a foot on 5-10 pieces of debitage and flakes. *in the denser spots

No telling what the horizons below contain.



I think of this as us walking thru the woods throwing our guns all over the ground. WTH?
Locally we find Paleo stuff made of Alibates flint, then the mid era stuff in grey chert, and later stuff once again out of Alibates. We’re a couple hundred miles from the Alibates flint quarry, pretty amazing that some half naked guys on foot moved and traded over such a large range.
Originally Posted by TheKid
Locally we find Paleo stuff made of Alibates flint, then the mid era stuff in grey chert, and later stuff once again out of Alibates. We’re a couple hundred miles from the Alibates flint quarry, pretty amazing that some half naked guys on foot moved and traded over such a large range.


What else they gunna carry, they didn't have a refer for beer yet.

Originally Posted by Fireball2
I think of this as us walking thru the woods throwing our guns all over the ground. WTH?


More like finding bullets either where they landed when shot or where some guy lost his ammo belt. Or a bullet caster tossing aside imperfect bullets as they come out of the mold. Generations of people doing this in the same areas for a few thousand years tends to pile them up.

Most of the ones we find are probably from camp or cache sites. Occasionally you’ll find a flier on a game trail on a mountainside or in a natural funnel for game but they’re almost always just the one.
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
I think of this as us walking thru the woods throwing our guns all over the ground. WTH?


More like finding bullets either where they landed when shot or where some guy lost his ammo belt. Or a bullet caster tossing aside imperfect bullets as they come out of the mold. Generations of people doing this in the same areas for a few thousand years tends to pile them up.

Most of the ones we find are probably from camp or cache sites. Occasionally you’ll find a flier on a game trail on a mountainside or in a natural funnel for game but they’re almost always just the one.


Hard to conceive of.
Last couple of years I've been turkey hunting in TN with a pretty cool landowner.

He has found bunches (like basket fulls) of Indian artifacts in his area, seems the area was heavy with "creek" Indians,

anyway there's a place where 2 creeks converge and inside this convergence there's a pretty good size flat area and on the slightly uphill slope there is a really old tree,

This spot under the tree is/was prime real estate for chiefs or other upper tribal members, the view and location scream "prime" spot, not to mention the gurgling underground spring,

In the mornings when the Sun rises during Turkey season, I'm sitting there with my back up against that tree,

I'm just aghast at what that tree or those 2 creeks might tell if they could, sitting there where who knows how many generations lived and died.

Fascinating stuff.
willing to bet you find so many heads in one area is because the success ratio to failure per head was terribly low, sitting there for hours chipping away, something goes wrong and you toss it.
Originally Posted by Kenneth
willing to bet you find so many heads in one area is because the success ratio to failure per head was terribly low, sitting there for hours chipping away, something goes wrong and you toss it.

I have found points with flaws and fugged up faults in the materials
In pristine perfect shape.
Almost like dude was proving to others he could do it to prove em wrong.
They were human
I imagine dudes showed schitt off too.
Good looking stuff. Difficult stuff.
Stuff appealing to the eye and envy stuff.
Sitting around a campfire busting on friends and family stuff.

Just like being proud showing off a gun to your friends nowadays.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Kenneth
willing to bet you find so many heads in one area is because the success ratio to failure per head was terribly low, sitting there for hours chipping away, something goes wrong and you toss it.

I have found points with flaws and fugged up faults in the materials
In pristine perfect shape.
Almost like dude was proving to others he could do it to prove em wrong.
They were human
I imagine dudes showed schitt off too.
Good looking stuff. Difficult stuff.
Stuff appealing to the eye and envy stuff.
Sitting around a campfire busting on friends and family stuff.

Just like being proud showing off a gun to your friends nowadays.



The study of Ishi proved that they could make a fine craftsmanship point in 5-15 minutes if IIRC.

They did mess up and break one now and again, but for the most part they were very skilled, and knew what they were doing.

Some of the most interesting things I have seen are Paleo poinst found in a stash... like 5-6 of them made by the same person, and a couple even included finding the flute chip taken out of the middle. Pretty neat stuff. I believe they were Clovis.
No tilling has pretty much messed up the arrowhead finding around here, as few fields are actually tilled anymore.....plowing and discing before being planted. I know a few places that are still worked up, but they are either off limits, or else are a waste of time. I don't know about other areas of the country, but around here there has to be a water source nearby in order to find anything. That would be a river, creek, or spring in my area. We have a lot of sinkholes here, with underground streams, and I assume that at some point in time, many moons ago, some of these must have had water year round, because there have been some good points found in those areas.

I can only recall finding one arrowhead in a place where there was no sign of any other flint or point making material, or no water. This was a every small arrowhead, and I figure the ole Injun must have shot that arrow at a critter.
A lost skill, I know a gentleman who lives near me who claims to be one of the few traditional point makers around these parts, native guy.
I wonder how many today have the skills?
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Kenneth
willing to bet you find so many heads in one area is because the success ratio to failure per head was terribly low, sitting there for hours chipping away, something goes wrong and you toss it.

I have found points with flaws and fugged up faults in the materials
In pristine perfect shape.
Almost like dude was proving to others he could do it to prove em wrong.
They were human
I imagine dudes showed schitt off too.
Good looking stuff. Difficult stuff.
Stuff appealing to the eye and envy stuff.
Sitting around a campfire busting on friends and family stuff.

Just like being proud showing off a gun to your friends nowadays.

The only point I have is one with a red tip the maker left on his point, its really cool.
Yeah notill farming sucks for the arrowhead hunter. My great uncle had maps of dozens of sites him and his buddy and my grandad had found back in the 50’s and 60’s. My dad and uncle got copies of them and went for a drive a couple years ago on a nice day. %95 of them were either notill or had been put in Bermuda grass for pasture. We are down to just a handful of spots that we can look and have good success. Even the creek we walk is being bought up and homes built up on the bluffs, probably get run off of there pretty soon.
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Great thread Slum Your 2nd pic shows a white arrowhead in frt of your foot 2-3" but in frt of it maybe 8" from your toe there looks like another bifacial edge sticking up in the dirt It is gray MB
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Great thread Slum Your 2nd pic shows a white arrowhead in frt of your foot 2-3" but in frt of it maybe 8" from your toe there looks like another bifacial edge sticking up in the dirt It is gray MB



Don't tell him that! He'll never find that spot again! laugh

Originally Posted by JamesJr
No tilling has pretty much messed up the arrowhead finding around here, as few fields are actually tilled anymore.....plowing and discing before being planted. I know a few places that are still worked up, but they are either off limits, or else are a waste of time. I don't know about other areas of the country, but around here there has to be a water source nearby in order to find anything. That would be a river, creek, or spring in my area. We have a lot of sinkholes here, with underground streams, and I assume that at some point in time, many moons ago, some of these must have had water year round, because there have been some good points found in those areas.

I can only recall finding one arrowhead in a place where there was no sign of any other flint or point making material, or no water. This was a every small arrowhead, and I figure the ole Injun must have shot that arrow at a critter.


Pretty much the same around here in my part of KY, too, with no-till cropland being at least 1/2 to 2/3 nowadays.

Some cousins of mine grew up on a small farm that had a little frontage on the Green River and they all had shoe boxes of complete and incomplete arrow heads mostly and a few broken parts and pieces.

Brother-in-law also grew up on a farm and had arrowheads he found in the fields there on and around his parents farm. Their place was on low, mostly all flat ground though and a good 8 or so miles from the nearest natural water source of any consequence. There was just a narrow creek (really more of a erosion ditch) that ran along the back border of their property but was barely a trickle if that most of the time except for runoff during heavier rains and melting snow. The thing about where their farm was located though regarding his arrowhead finds is looking on a topo map it appears like was it situated along a natural travel-way where wild game would likely pass through regularly.

Got to wonder too if some early Caucasian settlers/hunters/trappers/explorers may have also took up hunting with native American bows and arrowheads and also maybe even became reasonably proficient at making their own bows, stone arrowheads and such. Seems plausible, especially on small game, -- quiet, still works well in wet weather, conserves powder and lead.
Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by JamesJr
No tilling has pretty much messed up the arrowhead finding around here, as few fields are actually tilled anymore.....plowing and discing before being planted. I know a few places that are still worked up, but they are either off limits, or else are a waste of time. I don't know about other areas of the country, but around here there has to be a water source nearby in order to find anything. That would be a river, creek, or spring in my area. We have a lot of sinkholes here, with underground streams, and I assume that at some point in time, many moons ago, some of these must have had water year round, because there have been some good points found in those areas.

I can only recall finding one arrowhead in a place where there was no sign of any other flint or point making material, or no water. This was a every small arrowhead, and I figure the ole Injun must have shot that arrow at a critter.


Pretty much the same around here in my part of KY, too, with no-till cropland being at least 1/2 to 2/3 nowadays.

Some cousins of mine grew up on a small farm that had a little frontage on the Green River and they all had shoe boxes of complete and incomplete arrow heads mostly and a few broken parts and pieces.

Brother-in-law also grew up on a farm and had arrowheads he found in the fields there on and around his parents farm. Their place was on low, mostly all flat ground though and a good 8 or so miles from the nearest natural water source of any consequence. There was just a narrow creek (really more of a erosion ditch) that ran along the back border of their property but was barely a trickle if that most of the time except for runoff during heavier rains and melting snow. The thing about where their farm was located though regarding his arrowhead finds is looking on a topo map it appears like was it situated along a natural travel-way where wild game would likely pass through regularly.

Got to wonder too if some early Caucasian settlers/hunters/trappers/explorers may have also took up hunting with native American bows and arrowheads and also maybe even became reasonably proficient at making their own bows, stone arrowheads and such. Seems plausible, especially on small game, -- quiet, still works well in wet weather, conserves powder and lead.


I have thought some plantation owners might have been collectors back in the day also.
Tell their slaves bring em points they find busting ground
Owner give em extra food or other incentives

Jmo.
There's a museum up near Copper Harbor Michigan which has a display of some flaked points and tools. One piece that caught my eye was a near perfect Maltese cross flaked out of a piece of red stone. It was fairly small. a nickel would have covered it. I can only assume that it was some sort of ornament that the man wore to show off his knapping skill.
Here's the only one I ever found, it was in a field near the James river here in Virginia. I guess it's quartz. Can anyone tell me anything about it? See pic:

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Here is a petrified log that I found not too far from the same spot with a Howa Mini Grendel for scale, weighs around 100 lbs:


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I read this book, "The Traveler", several years ago. I found it interesting especially in regards to stone arrowheads, knives and other such primitive tools made from material not natural to the area nor anywhere within hundreds of miles of where found and how they likely got there. Although the characters and story-line are fiction, the details are based on known and/or probable history.

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/c/don-coldsmith/traveler.htm
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by JamesJr
No tilling has pretty much messed up the arrowhead finding around here, as few fields are actually tilled anymore.....plowing and discing before being planted. I know a few places that are still worked up, but they are either off limits, or else are a waste of time. I don't know about other areas of the country, but around here there has to be a water source nearby in order to find anything. That would be a river, creek, or spring in my area. We have a lot of sinkholes here, with underground streams, and I assume that at some point in time, many moons ago, some of these must have had water year round, because there have been some good points found in those areas.

I can only recall finding one arrowhead in a place where there was no sign of any other flint or point making material, or no water. This was a every small arrowhead, and I figure the ole Injun must have shot that arrow at a critter.


Pretty much the same around here in my part of KY, too, with no-till cropland being at least 1/2 to 2/3 nowadays.

Some cousins of mine grew up on a small farm that had a little frontage on the Green River and they all had shoe boxes of complete and incomplete arrow heads mostly and a few broken parts and pieces.

Brother-in-law also grew up on a farm and had arrowheads he found in the fields there on and around his parents farm. Their place was on low, mostly all flat ground though and a good 8 or so miles from the nearest natural water source of any consequence. There was just a narrow creek (really more of a erosion ditch) that ran along the back border of their property but was barely a trickle if that most of the time except for runoff during heavier rains and melting snow. The thing about where their farm was located though regarding his arrowhead finds is looking on a topo map it appears like was it situated along a natural travel-way where wild game would likely pass through regularly.

Got to wonder too if some early Caucasian settlers/hunters/trappers/explorers may have also took up hunting with native American bows and arrowheads and also maybe even became reasonably proficient at making their own bows, stone arrowheads and such. Seems plausible, especially on small game, -- quiet, still works well in wet weather, conserves powder and lead.


I have thought some plantation owners might have been collectors back in the day also.
Tell their slaves bring em points they find busting ground
Owner give em extra food or other incentives

Jmo.


There is a family near here that owns the most land in the area, and one of their farms is along a creek that is known for it's arrowheads. I have never seen this collection, only heard of it, but rumor has it that most of the stuff they have was found by people working for them.

Now, they don't back to slave days, I'm like you, in that I suspect a lot of this kind of thing took place.
Went a quick run up to the salt mines today to check the soil conditions.

How long???...not long!!


Actually disced and drilled this morning.



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Only able to look for edges and shapes.


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Renegade50 found a couple of brokes,

Busted up Lost Lake.



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Supposed to get some strong T-storms Sunday.

Monday might be very good hunting.
Washed up rocks.
Both within 100 yds of each other.
Left one
Lost lake 6500 -7500 BC


Right one
falls alot into Hardin description per projectile point .net
5500 - 8000BC

And less so into Kirk corner notch
6500- 7500 BC

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Damn, that is so cool. Nine thousand years old. I would love to get in the time machine and go spend a week hanging out with these Indians.
Of course, with my Swede Mauser slung over my shoulder, and the Smith and Wesson in my backpack.

Let's see, well after the Ice Age, all the mammoths and sabertooth tigers are gone. Would have been buffalo, deer, elk, wolves.
Love to spend a week with these guys and see what was going on.
Slumlord, the lay of the land there looks flat to gently rolling so I'm wondering do you think those spearheads/arrowheads are from people hunting or warring?
Why are there so many laying around?
Hunting.

I'm not into the whole notion of Indians acting out a john wayne movie.

Not saying it couldn't have happened on this site. This site has artifacts and point styles nthat span over a period of several thousands years. Different types of ancient humans came into, habitated and moved on, evolved, died out and other cultures moved in and did the same. This site was under occupation for about 4000 years based on point styles.

The main attraction is a cluster of a 9-10 surface springs. Large ones. They look like 6ft diameter bomb craters.
Got some rain over night,

Tried a different spot today, 30 or so miles from where we usually go.


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Interesting, ya that makes sense.
Couldve been a major gathering point and spot for ambush oppurtinity for elk, deer and eastern bison.
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3 top left ones are broken harpeth river points.
The long one was a ball buster with the tip broken
2nd had its base broken
3rd is a rhomboid cross section broken tip from one
Transistional Paleo to early Archaic
6500 BC to 9000 BC

Bottom right
Broken Pine tree midsection
Heavy serrated
Early Archaic
6500 BC to 7500 BC

Couple of broken tips and bases
1 broken scraper

2 drills
The large one was a ball buster also
and a small red one.
No mistaking that harpeth river. The heavy bevel sharpening.
Originally Posted by smokinggun
Here's the only one I ever found, it was in a field near the James river here in Virginia. I guess it's quartz. Can anyone tell me anything about it? See pic:

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Here is a petrified log that I found not too far from the same spot with a Howa Mini Grendel for scale, weighs around 100 lbs:


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Good good! What contour barrel is on that thing?! I thought my 12lb varmint rifle was heavy to carry....
Originally Posted by slumlord
No mistaking that harpeth river. The heavy bevel sharpening.

You found that harpeth river
of yours also with the needle like tip.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by slumlord
No mistaking that harpeth river. The heavy bevel sharpening.

You found that harpeth river
of yours also with the needle like tip.

Here's a previous harpeth river, busted up. Tan chert

Same smaller serrations, bevel is not as pronounced but still identifiable. Matches yours of today
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I always get a whiff of Greenbrier when I hold a heavy harpeth.
You got a link to SunTrust bank in your post on my screen.
Post image service carrying ads on their pics now ???

Or

You turning Milton Drysdale or something????
Haha!!
There is no doubt that there were areas that the Indians occupied for thousands of years. Here on my place, I have a spring that runs year round, and a cave, so they could have lived here year round. I know that some of the points I've found were from several different time periods. I don't know about other parts of the country, but with the abundance of running water in this part of Kentucky and Tennessee, along with rock shelters in many places, this had to have been a mecca of sorts for the redskins.
Originally Posted by JamesJr
There is no doubt that there were areas that the Indians occupied for thousands of years. Here on my place, I have a spring that runs year round, and a cave, so they could have lived here year round. I know that some of the points I've found were from several different time periods. I don't know about other parts of the country, but with the abundance of running water in this part of Kentucky and Tennessee, along with rock shelters in many places, this had to have been a mecca of sorts for the redskins.

There’s at least one small cave and 5 or 6 springs between my neighbors’ and my 170 acres. You’re right, this area was a very good place to setup camp. The small creek it all drains to NEVER runs dry even in that big drought a couple years ago.
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Top left 4
1.Kirk corner notch 6500 BC - 7500 BC early archaic, pretty much a 100% point
2. Some type of ovoid point, bottom a little busted up
Hard to ID
3. Busted up lost lake 6500 BC - 7500 BC early archaic
4. Busted up Eva point 4000 BC - 5500 BC early/ mid archaic
Other busted up peices and a thumb scraper




Tons of public ground about, but we're not supposed to pick up relics. With permission one can hunt deeded property. Given the abundance of raw materials in this region though (obsidian), I took to hammering out my own. Just fill up cookie tins and put them in a closet.

Frame some for auctions at community fundraisers once in a while with the best to date raising $125 when two folks had similar desires. A wonderful method for clearing the mind if life gets too cluttered. One's thoughts have to be totally focused on the rock in hand.

The objective is break off several hundred flakes without really breaking the target stone. Had a 5 incher about 95% complete when I snapped it in half yesterday. That being, the hobby can at times result in a high level of frustration. The base went in the trash, and the point was reduced to about a 2 and 1/2 incher. Seems this is the only cheap hobby I've taken up with no investment needed at all.

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Like near all of the above, a quarter for scale. The fat boy near top center went to the kid that fired the smallest group with a 10/22 in our last Hunter Ed class. Turns out he was a Native American.

Have a good one,
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I'm getting snobby, I left 2 spherical hammerstones and a well flaked ovoid 'hoe'.

Didnt want to lug that sheeyot 3/4 of mile 😄
I musta ran across about 6- 8 hammer stones today in that place I was about 4 or 5 hundred yards from you. Most of em had hit Mark's all over one part of em.
3 or 4 pounds apeice.
I ain't loading up with tools
Thumb scrapers are GTG though.
I'm filing and fitting that dove tail blank into your 375 barrel.
What a PITA....file fit remove repeat x3 already.
This last time should drive it home good and snug.


I hope....


BTW .....
I charge $ 125 an hour for work.
I will only charge ya for 31.3 minutes rounded to the next quarter hour up.
45 minutes then.
Shop rate stuff of course..
You figure the math.
They lost me in 3rd grade with 4 digit long division.
Cash only ....
Dont need unca suga getting his greedy dick beaters on any more
from me.....



crazy laugh

I'm gonna jump on installing the stock bulls eye in the morning.
This dove tail is enough for my azz tonight
After slogging around in clinging mud for 2 - 3 miles today arrowhead hunting.

I'm pretty well toast right now...
Originally Posted by 1minute
Tons of public ground about, but we're not supposed to pick up relics. With permission one can hunt deeded property. Given the abundance of raw materials in this region though (obsidian), I took to hammering out my own. Just fill up cookie tins and put them in a closet.

Frame some for auctions at community fundraisers once in a while with the best to date raising $125 when two folks had similar desires. A wonderful method for clearing the mind if life gets too cluttered. One's thoughts have to be totally focused on the rock in hand.

The objective is break off several hundred flakes without really breaking the target stone. Had a 5 incher about 95% complete when I snapped it in half yesterday. That being, the hobby can at times result in a high level of frustration. The base went in the trash, and the point was reduced to about a 2 and 1/2 incher. Seems this is the only cheap hobby I've taken up with no investment needed at all.

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Like near all of the above, a quarter for scale. The fat boy near top center went to the kid that fired the smallest group with a 10/22 in our last Hunter Ed class. Turns out he was a Native American.

Have a good one,

Awesome work!!!!!
Back of Soldier of Fortune magazine: are you a high school dropout between the ages of 16-86? You can be a gunsmith... special classes for slow learners.
Back of rolling stone magazine back in the day

You could become an ordained minister for 30 bucks in some ad they had.

Think it was in high times magazine also
Along with the gunsmith ad too.


Hahahaha!°
Just a bunch of broke stuff today.
Kinda decent broke up blade left of the quarter.

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Hell I guess I dropped one out spraying "agent X" on the farm a couple hours ago.

I had 3 brokes and this ovoid tool in my front pocket when we left today. Oh well.


Kind of rough day, a shot of demerol and epi-pen wouldve motivated me a little more 😄



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Hey boss, thanks gettin my Airweight I left under your seat.

I dropped a doobie in there too, in was in my hat. You might want to look for it before the MPs find it. 😬
If I find that doobie .
I'm gonna smoke it.

Still aint tried the crimson trace lasar on the cats.
Get them simpletons chasing it easy I bet.
The dogs got a little curious about it.
But were more interested in the gun itself.
Take the bullets out before playing laser pistol with the dogs

Put em back in when playing laser pistol with the cats


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Careful with that doobie

I got it from a neegrow


It'll fugg you up
Just warning my bro

They'll be two of you with 'chest pains' in that house

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Awesome arrow heads!
last couple of days, the plowing and the rains have helped A LOT.

Even when competing with other peoples' footprints, still having pretty good luck.


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Groovy!!!!
Tracks I seen looked like a man and a woman or kid.
Made no sense ..

Tracks going around in random directions like a Turkey chasing a junebug.
They did a beeline from a place about 500 yards away and then covered about a 75 yard square area, then did a beeline towards the place you was checking out.

Kinda reminded me of desperation almost in the way those tracks were layed down.


Suppose some people ain't figured out to walk rows and scan 4 or 5 rows either side , then move over 6 or 7 rows, repeat and over lap those 1 or 2 outside from the previous rows walked.

Dont matter whoever they were,they left an area the size of 4 or 5 football feilds unwalked.

I will post pics later .
Its nap time.....

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Meet & Greet
Arrowhead show
Turtleman, Turtle Mom, Squirrel & Lolly Dog
Lebanon Kentucky
Friday May 10 - Saturday May 11, 2019
9 am - 8 PM
(100 Corporate Drive on corner of E. Main Street, in the Kroger's shopping center in back of Hardee's at the old Family Video Building)

Also appearing is Sam Cox, co-author, editor of the Official Overstreet Indian Arrowheads book. He will help identify artifacts, buy, sell & trade...as well as Turtleman...
$5 for adults, children 16 and under are free.

Arrowheads and fossils
Some will be for sale
Regional Scenic Art on canvas for sale

yee yee yee 😄
Good finds there slum. I've been looking a little on one farm I've been turkey hunting.
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Meet & Greet
Arrowhead show
Turtleman, Turtle Mom, Squirrel & Lolly Dog
Lebanon Kentucky
Friday May 10 - Saturday May 11, 2019
9 am - 8 PM
(100 Corporate Drive on corner of E. Main Street, in the Kroger's shopping center in back of Hardee's at the old Family Video Building)

Also appearing is Sam Cox, co-author, editor of the Official Overstreet Indian Arrowheads book. He will help identify artifacts, buy, sell & trade...as well as Turtleman...
$5 for adults, children 16 and under are free.

Arrowheads and fossils
Some will be for sale
Regional Scenic Art on canvas for sale




I wouldn't mind seeing an arrowhead show, but I can do without seeing that dumbazz bunch of hicks.
Turtleman is a God!!!!!

Hahahahaa!!!!


Sidekick on the bank with his running commentary......
While turtleman is out in 27 types of parasites muckhole pond fugging around with a snapping turtle. crazy


Like marlin sending jim in to wrestle the anaconda on wild kingdom.

Jim shoulda punched marlin in the forehead several times over the years.


LIVE ACTION!!!!!
Here are my finds from the other day.
Arrowhead Gods were smiling at slumlord and ignoring me .
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Oh well... beats staying at home.

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Looks like some good stuff being found to me. I'd be happy with any of it. I can walk for hours and pick up a handful of flint chips, some pottery pieces and not one thing that all those chips came off of.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Here are my finds from the other day.
Arrowhead Gods were smiling at slumlord and ignoring me .
laugh
Oh well... beats staying at home.

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You gonna sell all that broke shît to that little old man again?

$5 'grab bags' of unwashed rocks laugh
Well at least you found a quarter. grin
Need to bring Frogg Toggs and be out there while it's raining. ⛈⚡️☔️
you guys are killin me...I've been picking rocks last couple days. I enjoy the hunt but i have no clue what I'm finding.
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Looks like a ovoid blade and a thumb scraper in the 3rd pic
4th pic looks like a uniface blade maybe.
Dunno really.
Hard to ID some stuff from a pic.
Also your area has different stuff
And similar stuff.

Feild is about played out. Not much more washing the rain can do based on the shallow wide spaced plowing for the year.
Might do some digging and some creek hunting next month.
Dunno really....

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