Why wouldn’t the FOTPT doctrine apply to the obstruction of justice accusations? If the democraps made up the collusion allegations, which we now know they did, why wouldn’t that doctrine apply in full force? How can one obstruct “justice” when that justice is based upon lies and false allegations? Why aren’t the dirtbags that proffered those lies in the fake dossier being investigated and charged with obstruction? They did more to obstruct justice and tied the hands of at least 2 branches of government for 2 years while this investigation into unadulterated bullshit took place. Every swinging dick that clogged the airways with their lies should face charges of putting public false allegations and outright lies.....then hung until they’re dead.

It would........if there was any sort of equity left at the .gov level.

I’m afraid we’re well past that now.

George

George, Yeah that’s kinda what I figured. It’s sad that we’ve gone so far down the road of demise that simple principles don’t even have meaning anymore.

Happy Easter to you all.

Those ideals only apply to those of us ‘below’ our elected officials (I refuse to use the term leaders since there aren’t any).

Thank you, and back at you on the opposite side of the Nation.

It's very simple. The people who are elected to represent Americans are in collusion with those who have an agenda to destroy it.

I don't understand people, at this point, who are constantly asking questions about why people in the federal government are never charged for the obvious crimes they commit.

Why would one think that the puppet masters would punish their puppets?

AcesNEights: I agree with your contentions completely, but I have to say, you are dreaming if you are expecting fairness/rationality/equal justice under the law to prevail in any way shape or form out there in Washington D.C.!
Sad but true.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

,...and by the way,...you ain't seen nuthin' yet!

You need to get a radio program.....I’d rather listen to you than Hannity! memtb

I get so tired of these FDA.

We can't possibly know what's going on in the justice department.The best scenario would be that all of the people responsible for this hoax will be prosecuted and if found guilty, put into jail.

A good bet is that Barr will cover for his friend Mueller aka "A crook with a badge".

Only time will tell.

I think the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine WOULD apply if the case were being heard in a court. What is going on here, though, is that Mueller strategically chose to not make a finding that would have led to criminal charges. Instead, he wrote a report that will be used by the Democrats to impeach in the House and that is not a judicial proceeding, it's a legislative proceeding. I'm not an expert on these things, but I believe Congress creates its own rules for an impeachment proceeding, and only if they choose to include the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine would it apply. And you can bet that the Democrats will NOT include this in the House proceedings.

For the same reason that convictions were obtained against Flynn and a few others for lying to investigators. It matters not that te investigation was begun with false accusations, you commit a crime if you hinder any investigation, regardless of the investigation's outcome. Flynn was trapped into perjury, but he did perjure himself. Unless you're a gay, black actor in the most historically corrupt city in the nation. The second half of your post would be accurate. Those that proffered lies to the public in their official capacity as congresscritters, as well as those that initiated the "evidence", should be prosecuted for a myriad of crimes, from malfeasance, tampering with evidence, lying to law enforcement, and even RICO may apply as the activity/communication/payment occurred across state lines and involved an actual conspiracy between all the Hillary/Comey/Obama actors.

Justice will only come from the people.

We live in a land where lawlessness is the law.

The federal gov't - too big to fail .

Where the law breaks the law, there is no law.

Our founding fathers and John Locke understood these things.
We return to a state of nature as natural born sovereigns, and give no obedience to a broken and illegitimate system.

The big government establishment crowd will fight to the death and use every trick at their disposal to keep from abdicating one ounce of their power. This attitude crosses the isle and applies to both parties. Everyone up there has something to loose. I'd give pretty good odds that the Clintons have dirt on just about everyone in Washington. The various agencies have been staffed with career democrat operatives. I don't expect anyone to be indicted but I do expect the democrats to vote to impeach. What have they got to loose?

Thanks for the well reasoned responses guys! It just seems to me that it’s impossible to obstruct the investigation of a crime that didn’t exist because the KNOWN evidence that was used as the basis for the investigation was KNOWN to be a lie, the allegation of a crime that was wholly and completely fabricated. The fabrication of the lie about a false crime IS in and of itself a crime but we don’t hear much about that. If Mueller was looking through everyone’s bank accounts and social media posts why didn’t he look into the Clinton Foundation? It also seems that it’s impossible to obstruct justice when justice is not being administered. Obstruction has always been a wide net that’s cast when no other charge/s can be levied. It’s a bullshit charge at all levels because it’s used as a catch-all when no crime has been committed. It’s an emotionally based charge in all levels of LE. I’ve seen it used against people when they’re only mistake was being in the wrong place at the wrong time or a well placed insult that bruised an ego was really their only “crime”.

Happy Easter to everyone except Remsen. 😁

Happy Passover Remsen. 👍

Just remember, the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine is a judicial remedy for illegally obtained evidence. With a great big exception called inevitable discovery. Not exactly cut and dried. Depends very much on the facts of the instant case.

Thanks, Aces, and a happy Easter to you (and everyone else who is of the faith).

Barr has a lot on his plate right now. Is he a white hat or just another corrupt politician? Will obvious felonious crimes be prosecuted?

If not, we have an indisputable two-tiered justice system. And like me, I suspect most posters here ain't on the "Get Out Of Jail Free" list.

Look, the whole thing was an obstruction trap from the beginning. They knew, and i mean even if Mueller came into it in good faith, more or less on the first day that there was no collusion. So the whole thing, in addition to being a big fishing expedition, was to leak enough and to poke Trump enough that he would do something stupid and start firing everyone like Nixon did. Then, the Republican Never Trumpers would have had enough cover to go ahead and vote for impeachment.

I think as they got into it and realized how clean Trump was in his personal dealings that provoking him into some overt acts that they could scream obstruction about and use to impeach him became THE priority and the only goal. I have to say that Trump was really well advised in this process. They did a good job.

Yeah,

1: Move embassy to Jerusalem

2: Recognize the Golan Heights as Israeli property

3: No wall

4: Leave troops in Syria

5: Turn up the heat on Iran

End of investigation.

Do you think it could a possibility that the whole Mueller Investigations into Hillary and the Cabal's Russian Collusion was actually setup by Trump as a distraction for the DNC and the Media. No real 2020 focus by the DNC until now, plus you get investigations into area's no one wants them looking at and all by their own people. That in turn gives us a full page of redacted names (page 447......D5), redacted because the investigations are still ongoing.
Just a thought for you.

Correct.
President Trump has not been charged with a crime, therefore the FOTPT doctrine, or any other judicial doctrine/remedy does not apply.

If Donald J Trump were criminal charged then theses points may or may not apply, but with out any criminal indictment there can be no remedy.

Alien justice for none.