Overcrowding-extreme heat- extreme humidity- Mexicans- blacks- Miami- etc etc. if you pick a location well you can avoid most of the stuff listed. Ed k
too crowded, too hot, too many bugs, too many snakes, too much sand..... Also if you have never seen them there are these things call sand spurs...
And the top point... Florida has by FAR the most rednecks per capita than anywhere.... just pure trash... common comments... Oh please do not wear that in public again.... Oh man, my eyes hurt, you know they do make this thing called deodorant... and way too many tourists... who love to drink and get stupid... not to mention the idiot kids during spring break..... Lived there for 14 years... Never again...
My grandparents retired in the sticks in central Florida. I spent several long summers there. They had 110 acres in heavy cattle infested area. They lived and worked in Clearwater all their lives until it grew up around them and had to get away from the coast.
no urban creep, pandhandlers, meth head trailer parks (then) in the 70s-80s
Springs, lakes, Crystal River, Weeki Watchee River. Inner tubing with alligators. 👍
Sure it's all crap now with those NY lardass gerrold nadler types now. What a shame.
Grew up spending the better part of the summer, all of fall/spring break with my grandparents in the panhandle. They lived in niceville which is just across the bay from Destin and FWB. Used to be a bunch of retired folk, and really good locals. Some local boggies( what they called rednecks). It was a nice town.
Now it’s a bunch of Mexicans, blacks, and crack/meth heads. Town is a shiit hole now. Trailers and run down houses.
Still have family there and they are hopefully gonna get out soon
I had a bunch of fun though fishing, shrimping, flounder gigging, and shooting stuff. Papa had a bay boat and a offshore boat. Wish times hadn’t changed the way they had
You could not pay/convince me to live there. They offered me a good job in a er there. Screw florida
Simply a matter of personal preference. I spent a lot of time there starting in 1961. Haven't been back since my stepmother's funeral in 1994. Don't care for the climate or the dull flat landscape. I don't even forsee going back to visit, except that final trip when my father passes and I have him hauled back for burial.
We lived on the barrier island in Satellite Beach just south of Cape Canaveral from 1976-1985. Even then, the coasts were turning into concrete canyons of condos. Public Beach access went from "almost anywhere" to just a few small parking lots here and there. There were two seasons: day and night. There was so much salt in the air that aluminum rusted. And so much salt in the ground that most non-native plants died.
I miss the birds, the great salt and freshwater fishing, and damn little else.
Grew up spending the better part of the summer, all of fall/spring break with my grandparents in the panhandle. They lived in niceville which is just across the bay from Destin and FWB. Used to be a bunch of retired folk, and really good locals. Some local boggies( what they called rednecks). It was a nice town.
Now it’s a bunch of Mexicans, blacks, and crack/meth heads. Town is a shiit hole now. Trailers and run down houses.
Still have family there and they are hopefully gonna get out soon
I had a bunch of fun though fishing, shrimping, flounder gigging, and shooting stuff. Papa had a bay boat and a offshore boat. Wish times hadn’t changed the way they had
You could not pay/convince me to live there. They offered me a good job in a er there. Screw florida
Agree Niceville plummetted in the past several years - I think they built Sec. 8 housing there and lots of the you know what moved in , Friend lives in the middle of town - says you can't leave anything outside now - they'll steal your grill - kids bikes - lawn furniture - broke into his wifes car [twice] stole everything glasses/cds/clothes/everything . This entire region has went down the drain in the past several years - it was a ch-ithole when I got here 14 years ago . Local people here are thieves and so are their kids . I know people who are millionaires who will steal anything they can , dingy came untied from someones dock waterfront resident towed it to his house took the outboard/gastank + other stuff - sent the dingy on its way free floating .
I've never figured out how there are small towns - one town has nice people - next town over is scumbags - florida is the scumbag state of the deep south . I lived in Ms. for 22 years - 1 year in LA. before that . Met lots of nice people from Mississippi Alabama & LA. , EXTREMELY RARE around here in FL. . I have only a couple of people here I consider a friend more-less don't associate with anybody here what so ever . Jerry Springer show said they noticed their best ''show people'' always came from florida - so they didn't need to search for ''springer show people'' anywhere else but florida .
I've ridden streetbikes all over this region - normal people everywhere but here - come here punks/loosers etc. will be hollaring FU for no reason whatsoever - the reason -- IT'S FLORIDA - I say it all the time . An Airforce pal of mine in Biloxi -Bob- and I laughed about as soon as we ride into pensacola the goofs will start yelling hollaring crap - we'd bust out laughing as soon as the first goof hollared - which never took long . New guys riding with us would ask 'who are they? - ' why are the they talking ch-itt' ? IT'S FLORIDA Ride anywhere else and lads would look at your bikes say normal things - not in florida ...
There are several Floridas, the panhandle, central Florida, and South Florida. South Florida is basically New Jersey transplanted, it's where people that hated their lives in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts moved and then proceeded to turn it in a crap infested socialist slum just like the places they ran away from. The panhandle is the deep south, it's just lower alabama and lower georgia with the stuff that goes along with that. You've got some real nice areas and some dumpy ones. Some trailer infested towns, some mostly black towns and the crime that entails, but some real nice ones too. Pick a good area and it's a great place. No, it's not a hunting mecca, but it is great for fishing if that's what you like.
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
I've been to every state in the union and most of them are far bigger chitholes than Florida.
I went on a biz trip to Atlanta in August 1987. I was there to straighten out a customer, Marconi, because they had unreplicatable acceptance tests on military electronics. I was wearing a necktie.
There are several Floridas, the panhandle, central Florida, and South Florida. South Florida is basically New Jersey transplanted, it's where people that hated their lives in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts moved and then proceeded to turn it in a crap infested socialist slum just like the places they ran away from. The panhandle is the deep south, it's just lower alabama and lower georgia with the stuff that goes along with that. You've got some real nice areas and some dumpy ones. Some trailer infested towns, some mostly black towns and the crime that entails, but some real nice ones too. Pick a good area and it's a great place. No, it's not a hunting mecca, but it is great for fishing if that's what you like.
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
I've been to every state in the union and most of them are far bigger chitholes than Florida.
Add Central Florida to a list of crappy places to live as well. New Jersey and New York ex citizens are very well represented.
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
There's people on Florida's beaches. Find a place to pull off the road about halfway between the ferry landing and Ocracoke village and you can see the Atlantic coast like Columbus found it. There's nobody on Ocracoke Island except for the residents of the village,..and 99% of the people who vacation there don't venture more than a mile north of the village.
The barrier island is about 16 miles long and if you check out any beach area a few miles up the road from the village you're probably not even going to see any footprints.
A lot of North Carolina's Outer Banks are like that. There's quite a few more people out there than there was back when I first started visiting back in the 70's,..but there's still long stretches of secluded National Seashore between Oregon Inlet and Ocracoke village.
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
There's people on Florida's beaches. Find a place to pull off the road about halfway between the ferry landing and Ocracoke village and you can see the Atlantic coast like Columbus found it. There's nobody on Ocracoke Island except for the residents of the village,..and 99% of the people who vacation there don't venture more than a mile north of the village.
The barrier island is about 16 miles long and if you check out any beach area a few miles up the road from the village you're probably not even going to see any footprints.
A lot of North Carolina's Outer Banks are like that. There's quite a few more people out there than there was back when I first started visiting back in the 70's,..but there's still long stretches of secluded National Seashore between Oregon Inlet and Ocracoke village.
It seems the term FLORIDA MAN is a media boogie man like gunman.
With an average "Florida Score" of 46, South Florida is home to the best of Florida Man. Highlights include tossing an alligator into a Wendy's in Palm Beach and assault with a reptile in Broward County. The Tampa Bay area claims the most spots on the Top 10 Florida Man articles list. It is home to incidents such as public molestation of a stuffed animal in Hernando County and stolen police cars in Pasco County. North and Central Florida see less of Florida Man, but make their marks with incidents like driving an SUV off the showroom floor in Marion County and biting off a thumb en route to a Taco Bell in Brevard County.
Not all of them. Take Shell Island off of Panama City, last time I was out there we were the only ones on the island, had to ride a jetski to get there.
Johnson Beach on Perdido Key outside Pensacola is part of the national seashore so the kiddies don't want to pay the entrance fee. It's on a peninsula and I think the national seashore is about 10 miles long, the road only runs in about 5 miles. You drive as far as you can go and park then you can walk for miles without seeing another person usually, and the beach is beautiful.
Mississippi has several barrier islands that take a boat to get to. The beaches are fantastic on them and the water is clear because they front the Gulf to the south, not the Mississippi Sound like the beaches on the mainland. Horn Island is over 10 miles long and on a weekday sometimes I won't see another boat out there. You can easily find a stretch of beautiful beach where you're the only people for miles.
There are plenty of secluded beaches around the Gulf, especially for those with a boat. The beaches are prettier and the water is nicer than anywhere on the Atlantic in my opinion.
Seems like a lot of bacteria in the water lately in that area though. Just saw where another person died from necrotizing fasciitis due to vibrio in the area.
I’m a native South Floridian, and so is my Dad. I can’t tell you how much this place has changed in my lifetime, and my Dad being here all of his 82 years has seen it change even more.
I can tell you that in my lifetime, South Florida has gone from a great place to raise your kids, to a place where everyone is affected by the schittbirds who now call this place home. Even the best communities have to deal with crime, drugs, terrible schools, low wages, and nothing to do outside as most of the open land we once had has been appropriated for housing, strip malls, restaurants, and paved over. This is NOT the South Florida I grew up in, but sadly, it is what it has become. Maybe it’s time to move? Tennessee or N Carolina like all the other escapees from here? Over to the West Coast of FL where people seem more laid back? I don’t know.
That being said, there is still beauty here and in lots of other places in FL if you know where to find it, good folks, once you weed through the schittbirds, and decent hunting and fishing if you dont mind working around all the googans here.
I’m a native South Floridian, and so is my Dad. I can’t tell you how much this place has changed in my lifetime, and my Dad being here all of his 82 years has seen it change even more.
I can tell you that in my lifetime, South Florida has gone from a great place to raise your kids, to a place where everyone is affected by the schittbirds who now call this place home. Even the best communities have to deal with crime, drugs, terrible schools, low wages, and nothing to do outside as most of the open land we once had has been appropriated for housing, strip malls, restaurants, and paved over. This is NOT the South Florida I grew up in, but sadly, it is what it has become. Maybe it’s time to move? Tennessee or N Carolina like all the other escapees from here? Over to the West Coast of FL where people seem more laid back? I don’t know.
That being said, there is still beauty here and in lots of other places in FL if you know where to find it, good folks, once you weed through the schittbirds, and decent hunting and fishing if you dont mind working around all the googans here.
Sound wonderful to you? Well, welcome!
+1 This can be said about most cities in any state today.
I worked bridge construction summers in Iowa through college. 90+* days, cloudless sky’s and I turned the color of mahogany. I would burn fairly badly several times a summer; thought little of it. Now,..I can barely tolerate 80* days with any humidity. Was in FL in February (and have been many times in winter) when it was still up mid-‘80’s, humid and crowded.
I can only imagine April through October. No thanks.
If they bury me in Citrus Co. FL, I'll be generation No. 6......
Whats wrong??? We don't have enough water.... Too many people, when I started about 6,000,000 today 22,000,000 AND... most of them people think we should 'do it' the way they did it back home....
Damn near got killed or nearly kilt a driver two nights ago........ I'm sure she is sweet enough, but she didn't see a Green Dodge Ram coming at her with the lights on...... never even looked my way. NOT quite sure how we missed!!!!
IF they think that they might, maybe, possibly, in the next 20 miles or so, need to make a left turn.................. they get in the left lane!!!!
They are NOT afraid to see if YOUR brakes work!!!
They will pull out in front of you and STOP!!!!!!
PS: Do NOT, repeat NOT, trust their turn signals.............
I am lucky a bubby of mine is a gator trapper when one shows up in the back yard I just call him and he brings me a tag. all legal in the freezer they go
How about this for an incentive to go there? This showed up on Foxnews right after I read this thread.
Florida woman says dad died of flesh-eating bacteria less than 48 hours after entering water Paulina Dedaj By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News
A Tennessee man died just 48 hours after contracting a flesh-eating bacteria from waters in Florida after his daughter says the hospital he was treated at ignored her warnings that he had contracted necrotizing fasciitis.
Cheryl Bennett Wiygul, a resident of Okaloosa County, said her parents had come down from Memphis to spend several days with her last week.
During their stay, the family spent several days in the water, including at a beach in Destin, a creek and a swamp in Boggy Bayou. Wiygul said she had heard the recent reports of people in Florida contracting a flesh-eating bacteria and as a result, she took extra precautions with her father, who was previously diagnosed with cancer.
“When my parents got in town I was fanatical about Neosporin and liquid bandaid,” she said in a Facebook post on Wednesday. “My Dad didn’t have any open wounds. He had a couple places that were practicality healed small scratches on his arms and legs that I made sure were super sealed up. My mom religiously sun-blocked him. We were taking precautions and we were good, so I thought.”
Wiygul said that at around 4:00 a.m. Saturday - some 12 hours after being in the water - her father began to complain of fever, chills and some cramping. The family decided that it would be best if he was treated back in Tennessee where the doctors were already familiar with his previous health issues.
They left later that morning where the symptoms worsened. He was taken to a hospital in Memphis at around 8 p.m.
Wiygul said that while her father was changing into his hospital gown, staff noticed a “terrible swollen black spot on his back” that had not previously been there. Her mother sent her a picture and Wiygul instantly recognized what was wrong with her father.
“I told her to tell them he was in the water in Florida and it was necrotizing fasciitis. She told everyone that came in the room. One person told her the media had blown that out of proportion. Others said it was staph. They would not biopsy it,” her lengthy Facebook post read.
The man’s conditioned worsened despite being treated with antibiotics, and at around 1 a.m. he became septic and coded a short time after. He was brought back by medical staff but his health continued to decline.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” “My dad had a lot of medical issues but heart was not one of them. They had to intubate him. He coded again. They said his organs were too damaged and his blood was too acidic to sustain life,” Wiygul said. “He was gone by Sunday afternoon.”
Wiygul said that the hospital conducted tests which confirmed that her father had in fact contracted vibrio vulnificus which manifested into necrotizing fasciitis.
She blamed the beaches for not posting advisories about any bacteria in the water, adding that her father may have been alive today had she known the dangers.
Although the infection is not very common, scientists expect more cases to be reported as the weather gets hotter as the bacteria flourishes in warm water.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” she wrote. “I would never have taken my Dad in the water if there was a bacteria advisory but it would have been because I didn’t want him to get a stomach virus not because I thought it would kill him.”
Wiygul shared her dad’s story hoping it would shed more light on a crucial issue that she feels the general public lacks the most basic information on.
“I do believe if there was a simple sign posted about the risk of swimming with an open wound or an immune disorder, we wouldn’t have let him get in … here is information out there but I didn’t find it all until it was too late. I don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”
How about this for an incentive to go there? This showed up on Foxnews right after I read this thread.
Florida woman says dad died of flesh-eating bacteria less than 48 hours after entering water Paulina Dedaj By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News
A Tennessee man died just 48 hours after contracting a flesh-eating bacteria from waters in Florida after his daughter says the hospital he was treated at ignored her warnings that he had contracted necrotizing fasciitis.
Cheryl Bennett Wiygul, a resident of Okaloosa County, said her parents had come down from Memphis to spend several days with her last week.
During their stay, the family spent several days in the water, including at a beach in Destin, a creek and a swamp in Boggy Bayou. Wiygul said she had heard the recent reports of people in Florida contracting a flesh-eating bacteria and as a result, she took extra precautions with her father, who was previously diagnosed with cancer.
“When my parents got in town I was fanatical about Neosporin and liquid bandaid,” she said in a Facebook post on Wednesday. “My Dad didn’t have any open wounds. He had a couple places that were practicality healed small scratches on his arms and legs that I made sure were super sealed up. My mom religiously sun-blocked him. We were taking precautions and we were good, so I thought.”
Wiygul said that at around 4:00 a.m. Saturday - some 12 hours after being in the water - her father began to complain of fever, chills and some cramping. The family decided that it would be best if he was treated back in Tennessee where the doctors were already familiar with his previous health issues.
They left later that morning where the symptoms worsened. He was taken to a hospital in Memphis at around 8 p.m.
Wiygul said that while her father was changing into his hospital gown, staff noticed a “terrible swollen black spot on his back” that had not previously been there. Her mother sent her a picture and Wiygul instantly recognized what was wrong with her father.
“I told her to tell them he was in the water in Florida and it was necrotizing fasciitis. She told everyone that came in the room. One person told her the media had blown that out of proportion. Others said it was staph. They would not biopsy it,” her lengthy Facebook post read.
The man’s conditioned worsened despite being treated with antibiotics, and at around 1 a.m. he became septic and coded a short time after. He was brought back by medical staff but his health continued to decline.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” “My dad had a lot of medical issues but heart was not one of them. They had to intubate him. He coded again. They said his organs were too damaged and his blood was too acidic to sustain life,” Wiygul said. “He was gone by Sunday afternoon.”
Wiygul said that the hospital conducted tests which confirmed that her father had in fact contracted vibrio vulnificus which manifested into necrotizing fasciitis.
She blamed the beaches for not posting advisories about any bacteria in the water, adding that her father may have been alive today had she known the dangers.
Although the infection is not very common, scientists expect more cases to be reported as the weather gets hotter as the bacteria flourishes in warm water.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” she wrote. “I would never have taken my Dad in the water if there was a bacteria advisory but it would have been because I didn’t want him to get a stomach virus not because I thought it would kill him.”
Wiygul shared her dad’s story hoping it would shed more light on a crucial issue that she feels the general public lacks the most basic information on.
“I do believe if there was a simple sign posted about the risk of swimming with an open wound or an immune disorder, we wouldn’t have let him get in … here is information out there but I didn’t find it all until it was too late. I don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”
How about this for an incentive to go there? This showed up on Foxnews right after I read this thread.
Florida woman says dad died of flesh-eating bacteria less than 48 hours after entering water Paulina Dedaj By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News
A Tennessee man died just 48 hours after contracting a flesh-eating bacteria from waters in Florida after his daughter says the hospital he was treated at ignored her warnings that he had contracted necrotizing fasciitis.
Cheryl Bennett Wiygul, a resident of Okaloosa County, said her parents had come down from Memphis to spend several days with her last week.
During their stay, the family spent several days in the water, including at a beach in Destin, a creek and a swamp in Boggy Bayou. Wiygul said she had heard the recent reports of people in Florida contracting a flesh-eating bacteria and as a result, she took extra precautions with her father, who was previously diagnosed with cancer.
“When my parents got in town I was fanatical about Neosporin and liquid bandaid,” she said in a Facebook post on Wednesday. “My Dad didn’t have any open wounds. He had a couple places that were practicality healed small scratches on his arms and legs that I made sure were super sealed up. My mom religiously sun-blocked him. We were taking precautions and we were good, so I thought.”
Wiygul said that at around 4:00 a.m. Saturday - some 12 hours after being in the water - her father began to complain of fever, chills and some cramping. The family decided that it would be best if he was treated back in Tennessee where the doctors were already familiar with his previous health issues.
They left later that morning where the symptoms worsened. He was taken to a hospital in Memphis at around 8 p.m.
Wiygul said that while her father was changing into his hospital gown, staff noticed a “terrible swollen black spot on his back” that had not previously been there. Her mother sent her a picture and Wiygul instantly recognized what was wrong with her father.
“I told her to tell them he was in the water in Florida and it was necrotizing fasciitis. She told everyone that came in the room. One person told her the media had blown that out of proportion. Others said it was staph. They would not biopsy it,” her lengthy Facebook post read.
The man’s conditioned worsened despite being treated with antibiotics, and at around 1 a.m. he became septic and coded a short time after. He was brought back by medical staff but his health continued to decline.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” “My dad had a lot of medical issues but heart was not one of them. They had to intubate him. He coded again. They said his organs were too damaged and his blood was too acidic to sustain life,” Wiygul said. “He was gone by Sunday afternoon.”
Wiygul said that the hospital conducted tests which confirmed that her father had in fact contracted vibrio vulnificus which manifested into necrotizing fasciitis.
She blamed the beaches for not posting advisories about any bacteria in the water, adding that her father may have been alive today had she known the dangers.
Although the infection is not very common, scientists expect more cases to be reported as the weather gets hotter as the bacteria flourishes in warm water.
“Less than 48 hours after getting out of the water feeling great, the bacteria had destroyed him,” she wrote. “I would never have taken my Dad in the water if there was a bacteria advisory but it would have been because I didn’t want him to get a stomach virus not because I thought it would kill him.”
Wiygul shared her dad’s story hoping it would shed more light on a crucial issue that she feels the general public lacks the most basic information on.
“I do believe if there was a simple sign posted about the risk of swimming with an open wound or an immune disorder, we wouldn’t have let him get in … here is information out there but I didn’t find it all until it was too late. I don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”
You can get that in lots of places.
AND, he was receiving treatment for CANCER................................. wonder what condition his immune system was in...Did he even have one...... How many other people were swimming with him that didn't get sick!?!?!?!?!?
Vibrio's bad stuff but it's not just in Florida, it's all along the Gulf and as far north on the Atlantic coast as New Jersey. It's worse when it's a wet year where a lot of fresh water mixes with the salt, and this year has been particularly wet. Summertime water temperatures make it worse too. The only way to stay completely safe from it is to not go in the water.
i was in florida one time, in july . took a shower, and walked out side. what, i thought i took a shower. Didn't understand humidity till then. the bugs, they had landing lights on them. i did do one thing i had always wanted to do tho. many times i had taken a leak in the pacific, i finally had the chance to pizz in the atlantic. One of life's goals. a long time coworker came into a lot of money a few years ago, born and raised in phx. he moved to the west side of florida next to one of those beaches. spends most of his time at the beach with his dog. I think the sun got to him. A family member is going to be stationed there later in the year, i should send him a link to this thread.
The welcome centers in Florida are unique. Pull into one as soon as you cross the state line and they give you a cup of fresh squeezed orange juice. Before you can drink it, a bum asks you if he can have it *and* a cigarette.
Don't migrate to Floriduh, we're plumb full up with idiots.
Dan,
Are you a real life Cracker?
Dad was stationed in Sebring when he met Mom in Frostproof. I was born at Walter Reed and came down to help a few months later. Earliest memories are of Florida when it was 5 Stars, circa '50-'51.
Don't migrate to Floriduh, we're plumb full up with idiots.
Dan,
Are you a real life Cracker?
Dad was stationed in Sebring when he met Mom in Frostproof. I was born at Walter Reed and came down to help a few months later. Earliest memories are of Florida when it was 5 Stars, circa '50-'51.
But your dad was a native Floridian wasn't he? Or am I misremembering?
Florida is a melting pot. Everyone is from somewhere else and they all think it was better where they came from and try and do things here like they did “back home”. They all come here from different states and even countries speaking different tongues and as a local boy it’s saddening to see what parts of Florida have become.
Dad was from Dover, TN and Mom from Flora, IN. Her family moved to Frostproof during the depression. She was 5 and her youngest brother was born there.
The term originated with the genesis of cattle ranching prior to the civil war and that occurred in the general vicinity of where I live at present. Local lads with bull whips herding free range cattle thru the swamps and pine woods. To some of us aware of the history "cracker" is complementary, not derogatory. Most Yankees are ignorant of this.
Just walked in the door, WTF is all this BS about Florida? It was so bad here this afternoon that we had to tank up and dive in 15 ft of water 7 miles out to get our limit of Scallops for the afternoon.
Tried to get back to the dock before dark but a couple of Snook and a Red Drum got in the way, they started hitting like mad along the Saint Martins river right at sunset and for an hour after..
Totally horrible day, stay away. It's really bad down here.....
I don't understand all the fuss about Florida either. I really like it here.
People claim it's hot but I haven't noticed it.
It's just like anywhere else in the summer.
you can't really believe that
Geographically, Florida is awesome. The east coast is boring, but the keys? Come on...where we else can you find that in the United States? The Gulf coast is sweet and fishing is good if you concentrate on the rivers away from the sterile (beautiful) beaches. The panhandle of Florida is Dixie...or at least it was the last time I spent any time there. No different than Texas. Last time I heard, Florida was the largest cattle producer, next to Texas...that's what they do in the middle of the State.
Yes ...it's kinda freaky going into a McDonald's in Fort Lauderdale and being waited on by a staff of 80 year old New Yorkers...but that's not all of Florida.
I went down for the first time back in 2017, during the last week of June/first week of July. My parents had bought a place in Hernando County and I went down to help them get some stuff fixed and do a little fishing and exploring.
As someone else mentioned, go down there this time of year and you'll understand. The heat was unbearable after 10am, and the humidity was, indescribable. It's so freaking hot in the summer, the fish don't even bite.
The town they live in seemed nice to be honest, I guess, if you have to live in town, but their street alone represents 90% of world cultures. It was culture shock for this backwoods homebody. Though admittedly, everyone kinda kept to themselves.
As someone else mentioned, the bugs are enormous compared to home. I seen grasshoppers the size of two of my fingers, and there was some sort of very large wasp/hornet flying around that I was concerned may end my life if I got stung, it was the size of a damn hummingbird. Come to think of it, the place is alive with all sorts of strange and dangerous wildlife... fire ants, alligators, coastal crocs and pythons (further south), aggressive cottonmouths, bull sharks.. you name it.
On the other hand, my daughter had a blast catching these cool little brown anole lizards running around my parents house and crabs at the various little "beaches". I got to see some kind of huge tortoise that called my parents back yard home. I seen alot of birds and waterfowl that I never knew existed. The beaches to the south are nice, and as I later discovered, spring, fall and "winter" fishing is pretty good. I haven't had the chance yet, but I've been wanting to do a hog hunt down that was as well.
All in all, I wouldn't live there, but it's not a bad place to visit. Just not in the summer. Holy schit is it hot.
I went down for the first time back in 2017, during the last week of June/first week of July. My parents had bought a place in Hernando County and I went down to help them get some stuff fixed and do a little fishing and exploring.
As someone else mentioned, go down there this time of year and you'll understand. The heat was unbearable after 10am, and the humidity was, indescribable. It's so freaking hot in the summer, the fish don't even bite.
The town they live in seemed nice to be honest, I guess, if you have to live in town, but their street alone represents 90% of world cultures. It was culture shock for this backwoods homebody. Though admittedly, everyone kinda kept to themselves.
As someone else mentioned, the bugs are enormous compared to home. I seen grasshoppers the size of two of my fingers, and there was some sort of very large wasp/hornet flying around that I was concerned may end my life if I got stung, it was the size of a damn hummingbird. Come to think of it, the place is alive with all sorts of strange and dangerous wildlife... fire ants, alligators, coastal crocs and pythons (further south), aggressive cottonmouths, bull sharks.. you name it.
On the other hand, my daughter had a blast catching these cool little brown anole lizards running around my parents house and crabs at the various little "beaches". I got to see some kind of huge tortoise that called my parents back yard home. I seen alot of birds and waterfowl that I never knew existed. The beaches to the south are nice, and as I later discovered, spring, fall and "winter" fishing is pretty good. I haven't had the chance yet, but I've been wanting to do a hog hunt down that was as well.
All in all, I wouldn't live there, but it's not a bad place to visit. Just not in the summer. Holy schit is it hot.
Florida is no different than anywhere else. You got to find a good spots to spend your free time and stay away from the Riff Raff.
The other good side that doesn't affect me anymore is there's plenty of work here. Anybody that says I can't find a job in Florida needs to be put to sleep.
Florida is a melting pot. Everyone is from somewhere else and they all think it was better where they came from and try and do things here like they did “back home”. They all come here from different states and even countries speaking different tongues and as a local boy it’s saddening to see what parts of Florida have become.
Born and raised in Ft. Lauderdale, lived there until 1986 except for a couple of breaks for the Army and college.
The summer is deathly hot and humid. In July/August you can walk from an air conditioned house to an air conditioned car and be sweating by the time you get to the car. Most every day the thunderclouds build up over the Glades, move east over the coast, rain like a cow pissing on a flat rock for a half hour, then go away leaving steaming roads and more humidity. You can drain the swamp and build houses but the environmental conditions that made it a swamp for a hundred thousand years are still there. If you live even a few miles inland then you're living in a manicured lawn, strip malled swamp. You never really get used to the heat, you just get where you don't mind sweating.
Winter in S. Florida is gorgeous and is why the snowbirds first came and why people move there. The whole outdoors is air conditioned, highs maybe in the 80's but lots of days in the 70's and balmy tropical nights with the moon shining through fluffy cumulus clouds. If you're fortunate to live close to the coast (we lived about 1 mile inland) you get a nice on shore breeze. A cold day is 60 degrees. It does get down a bit colder occasionally, but a light windbreaker is generally all you might need.
The biggest problem with south Florida is that it has no soul, or it lost what it had sometime in the early 70's by my reckoning. So many people came from somewhere else, "home" was always somewhere else, never Florida, so people had no connection to it, they didn't treat it like it was something precious where their roots were. Except for my sister, I was one of only about a dozen people I knew who was born there. Utica, NY filled with umpteen generations descended from Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants has a soul, small farming and ranching towns in ID have souls, Skippyville, AL has a soul. Boise did have a soul but it's pretty much completely Californicated away now.
Like thousands of other towns and areas across the country, S. Florida used to be a really nice place to live. In the 50's and first part of the 60's it was still old south even though it was never a part of the genuine old south, but close enough. Snowbirds came down and snarled traffic for 5 months each year but they brought lots of money so that was tolerated. Now it's Los Angeles East except the gangs aren't Mexican. Last time I was down there walking through a mall I counted several different languages and variations, Cuban Spanish which is distinctly different from other Spanish, various flavors of "other" Spanish which is different from Cuban, German from tourists, Haitian patois, New Yawk, New Joisey, Canadian and old England English. Can't recall hearing any real southern accents, though.
No place in America is like it was. Twin Falls has Muslims. I was planning on moving back to Fruitland, ID when I retired but now I see that the overflow from Boise is even spilling into that area. Old time Boiseans don't like California newcomers. North Carolinians don't like the influx of Floridians moving in to get away from the increasingly crappy areas of SE Florida. The population across the country is only going to get bigger and folks will move away from whatever overcrowded place they live in to find one of the fewer and fewer uncrowded places which is like their home used to be.
If you live in a small town or a rural area, savor it as much as you can while you can.
Florida is a melting pot. Everyone is from somewhere else and they all think it was better where they came from and try and do things here like they did “back home”. They all come here from different states and even countries speaking different tongues and as a local boy it’s saddening to see what parts of Florida have become.
Born and raised in Ft. Lauderdale, lived there until 1986 except for a couple of breaks for the Army and college.
The summer is deathly hot and humid. In July/August you can walk from an air conditioned house to an air conditioned car and be sweating by the time you get to the car. Most every day the thunderclouds build up over the Glades, move east over the coast, rain like a cow pissing on a flat rock for a half hour, then go away leaving steaming roads and more humidity. You can drain the swamp and build houses but the environmental conditions that made it a swamp for a hundred thousand years are still there. If you live even a few miles inland then you're living in a manicured lawn, strip malled swamp. You never really get used to the heat, you just get where you don't mind sweating.
Winter in S. Florida is gorgeous and is why the snowbirds first came and why people move there. The whole outdoors is air conditioned, highs maybe in the 80's but lots of days in the 70's and balmy tropical nights with the moon shining through fluffy cumulus clouds. If you're fortunate to live close to the coast (we lived about 1 mile inland) you get a nice on shore breeze. A cold day is 60 degrees. It does get down a bit colder occasionally, but a light windbreaker is generally all you might need.
The biggest problem with south Florida is that it has no soul, or it lost what it had sometime in the early 70's by my reckoning. So many people came from somewhere else, "home" was always somewhere else, never Florida, so people had no connection to it, they didn't treat it like it was something precious where their roots were. Except for my sister, I was one of only about a dozen people I knew who was born there. Utica, NY filled with umpteen generations descended from Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants has a soul, small farming and ranching towns in ID have souls, Skippyville, AL has a soul. Boise did have a soul but it's pretty much completely Californicated away now.
Like thousands of other towns and areas across the country, S. Florida used to be a really nice place to live. In the 50's and first part of the 60's it was still old south even though it was never a part of the genuine old south, but close enough. Snowbirds came down and snarled traffic for 5 months each year but they brought lots of money so that was tolerated. Now it's Los Angeles East except the gangs aren't Mexican. Last time I was down there walking through a mall I counted several different languages and variations, Cuban Spanish which is distinctly different from other Spanish, various flavors of "other" Spanish which is different from Cuban, German from tourists, Haitian patois, New Yawk, New Joisey, Canadian and old England English. Can't recall hearing any real southern accents, though.
No place in America is like it was. Twin Falls has Muslims. I was planning on moving back to Fruitland, ID when I retired but now I see that the overflow from Boise is even spilling into that area. Old time Boiseans don't like California newcomers. North Carolinians don't like the influx of Floridians moving in to get away from the increasingly crappy areas of SE Florida. The population across the country is only going to get bigger and folks will move away from whatever overcrowded place they live in to find one of the fewer and fewer uncrowded places which is like their home used to be.
If you live in a small town or a rural area, savor it as much as you can while you can.
New York Post mail Copy NEWS Florida ‘doomsday prepper’ couple accused of enslaving and abusing two women By Sara Dorn July 13, 2019 | 7:40pm
Two women escaped from a Florida farm where they were held captive, forced into hard labor, and physically and sexually abused for years by an unhinged couple preparing for the end of the world, authorities said.
The Wakulla County Sheriff’s office busted Crawfordville husband and wife Mirko Ceska, 58, and Regina Ceska, 55 on Friday, culminating a near-two-week probe that began when the victims escaped the farm, about 20 miles outside of Tallahassee, and alerted police, officials said.
“The females described Mr. and Mrs. Ceska as doomsday preppers,” the sheriff’s office said in a Facebook post on Friday.
“The females stated they had been trained to raise pigs, raise sheep, grow various fruits and vegetables, sheer sheep, utilize a loom, and sew,” the post continues.
The alleged victims — whose identities and ages were not disclosed — told cops they were not allowed to have cellphones or friends. They were also told never to agree, talk to or shake hands with anyone in public.
Disobeying resulted in punishments including starvation, verbal abuse and beatings, the victims said, authorities said.
Mirko Ceska allegedly beat the captives with a metal rod, and one of the victims was bruised on her back and arm when she showed up to the sheriff’s office, authorities said.
He allegedly forced sex acts on his hostages too — “some with the support of Regina Ceska,” according to police, who allegedly found evidence of an Internet search for “incestuous video” on his phone.
Cops also said they discovered a video where Mirko was screaming at the alleged victims within inches of their faces, saying they had stolen food.
The alleged victims escaped the farm on June 28, and reported their alleged tormentors to cops three days later.
Police said they found “large quantities of food rations and survivalist items,” on the property, along with “high quality firearms and many cases of ammunition.” Some of the weapons were hidden behind false walls and a staircase, police said.
Ok in the “why so many tags” thread.. a bunch of guys said “NEVER AGAIN”... about Florida, and only non-hunters live there.
HUH ? ... I wandered through it once on a work run, but only stopped for key lime pie.
So - what’s wrong with Florida (beyond the crazy as bat chit posts I see of people arrested in Florida that is).
Are you a millennial? You started the thread title with a "so" and led two sentences in your thread with a superfluous "OK" or "So." It's mostly young democrats I see doing that. Do you use a lot of "likes" in the spoken language?
Admitted snowbird here and January-April is downright tolerable in central Florida. Sweetness owns a place in a small gated community there and we rent our house up north to her accountant which knocks off half the taxes. Our neighbors down there all speak English, but not so when you get outside the gate. Too much traffic with strange driving is often observed and the hour long news casts coming out of Orlando are more than twice as exciting as our half hour boring news back home. A seven foot alligator lives in the pond out back, but then so do the large-mouth bass that I can cast for anytime.There are about 90 other water retention ponds full of fish I can get to on the golf cart. They squirt the bugs and they are worse back up north. Oh there are some NYC types there, but you just learn to avoid them. If you see a Cadillac with a New York licence plate, you had best not step out in front of it because they are more important than anyone else who lives there. They bitch about the cold weather when it gets down into the 60's and I just smile. I keep track of the bird species that I see every year and am always in the 30's just in our neighborhood. The 1,400 mile drive is a pit, but airplanes go there and keeping a car there isn't out of the question as we approach our dotage. So what's not to like?
For those of you that don't like Florida,,,,STAY WHERE YOU ARE
Yeah, I'm a Yankee Transplant But the summers in the Chicago area were no prize either. Big ass mosquito's Just as humid as here. Traffic 23 hours a day And when the "Hawk" is out, It's so friggin cold, you're nose hairs freeze Florida since 2006, Live on "The Nature Coast" Fishing 365 days a year, Nice golf courses,Nice roads to take the bike on. Rush hour only lasts 30 minutes. The Gulf is 10 minutes west and big bass lakes are 30 minutes east Here in Citrus, It's 98% white, if you count the Italians, LOL Gas is relatively cheap, Sure the geezers don't know how to drive, but just stay away from shopping centers on Wednesday's {that's when the social security checks come out} The Ozello Area is absolutely beautiful and a salt water fishermans dream. SO THERE!
Don't worry. At lest half of them will run off the road into the sawgrass and half of the rest will get carsick on the drive. Turn them around and send them to Crystal river.
Don't worry. At lest half of them will run off the road into the sawgrass and half of the rest will get carsick on the drive. Turn them around and send them to Crystal river.
That's funny, but Ozella Trl is the closest thing in FL to a mountain drive....
Snakes, alligators, crocodiles, leads in shark attacks, bugs galore, sink holes, hurricanes, wild fires, tornados, leads in lighting storms and strikes on humans, to damn hot and humid, full of illegal criminals, full of same sex couples, a easy place for drug smugglers, has to be won by any one wanting to be president.
I know I left some thing out. I remember now, not enough people that think and look like me, LOL
They do have or had some good laws, gun laws, concealed carry, "duty to retreat" went away in favor of "stand your ground" and the "castle doctrine" laws. I also believe if you do take action against a dirt bag that is trying to cause harm and you do not face criminal charges for those actions, you can not be sued in a state civil case for those actions.
I have a lot of family in Florida (shockingly, none of them are or were in the diamond business...they are either military/retired military or the typical doctor or businessman types) and have had to spend a bit of time in the state. My family lives from Pensacola in the west to Boca and Ft Lauderdale in the east, and I've been across the state many times. Other than the weather, there's nothing about Florida that I have a strong dislike for. Lots of things I actually like. The problem for me is that I despise warm climates. I moved to Montana because I love snow and very cold weather, and even after a pretty rough winter this year I still love the winter weather here. I simply can't function in heat and humidity, and Florida has that for the better part of the year. It's also why I left NYC after living there for 10 years (though I liked NYC winters).
I'll tell you this, though...I'd much rather live in Florida than California, even with the weather problem.
1987-88 I lived on Peridido Key west of Pensacola. I was 23 and made $12K a year, lived on the beach, had a sports car and flew Navy jets for a living. It was grand. I look back and seem to forget the traffic in the summer from tourists and in the winter from snowbirds, heat and humidity and the population that can simply be classified as "Florida Man"
My parents live south of Tampa. Dad is a native Floridian (Miami and St Augustine) who moved north for his career in 1962 and they moved back a few years ago. Retirement community and the love it with all the activities and their friends. When I see it I see flat country, hot and humid much of the year, traffic lights, chain restaurants and people who's outrage over Matlock being cancelled is worthy of irate letters to the editor.
What would I love? The fishing, we get a trip in a couple times when I visit (which is when walking outside is not like stepping onto the surface of the sun). With a boat and the inshore fishing there might be a lot of "can't come into work. My arm is in a cast" excuses.
I'd miss having four seasons if I lived in Florida. Besides that, I don't know what Florida's future looks like. A few years ago Florida surpassed NY State in population. Just looked it up and Florida now has 21.3 million compared to all of NY state with 19.5 million. NY state's been losing population for the last 20 years or so for all the usual reasons. Florida's population seems to keep going up. I'm another one that actually likes winters, and being on the south shore of Lake Ontario means we share winters with southern Canada. NY state would be even better if it wasn't run by socialist, anti-American commies. I still like Florida but it's gotta be getting crowded down there.
I'm very familiar with Florida, especially the space and treasure coasts (from Cape Canaveral to about Jupiter). If you look you can get away form the crowds, and the fishing is just unbeatable, from surf to pier to offshore, to fresh water. Land based shark fishing, tarpon form the beach, Spanish and blues on the long iron, pompano, snook, redfish, trout, dorado, largemouth. Hunting not so much. But I'm more into fishing than hunting anyway.
I reckon snowbirding might not be a bad idea, and have reached a decision on that as far as Florida is concerned. Now to decide on the northern axis: so many choices, including GA, TN, I, the NE kingdom of VT (where family is) maybe Kentucky (looking at some of Bristoe's pictures) but all for a different thread..
There are still parts of Floriduh that are very sparsely populated. The region comprised of the Suwanee River Basin has about 600,000 residents. That's about 10 counties. The one immediately north of me has about 35K residents.
Spotshooter: Its a hell of lot better place than kalifornicationkopia! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Bullshi t.
Miserable sweltering humidity. Absolutely zero mountains. No salmon or steelhead streams. Horrible hunting. Miserable sweltering humidity. Flat as a board. Miserable sweltering humidity. No western big game animals. Miserable sweltering humidity. Did I mention miserable sweltering humidity....I'd rather face liberals...🤣
There are still parts of Floriduh that are very sparsely populated. The region comprised of the Suwanee River Basin has about 600,000 residents. That's about 10 counties. The one immediately north of me has about 35K residents.
After my Grandfather retired from Eastern in 82 they built a house in Suwannee FL where they had a trailer/fish camp since about 1972. That was old FL, Great fishing fresh and salt, good pig, deer, turkey and quail hunting. I suspect their house was one of the first in the town so maybe they started it
Now there are condos there. Not sure I want to visit.
Spotshooter: Its a hell of lot better place than kalifornicationkopia! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Bullshi t.
Miserable sweltering humidity. Absolutely zero mountains. No salmon or steelhead streams. Horrible hunting. Miserable sweltering humidity. Flat as a board. Miserable sweltering humidity. No western big game animals. Miserable sweltering humidity. Did I mention miserable sweltering humidity....I'd rather face liberals...🤣
................. Gutted a deer in a foot and a half of snow last November as darkness fell and my buddy held the flashlight. Way up on a wooded hill in the Finger lakes. Then we dragged it down in the frozen dark, but at least it was almost all downhill. Even got the snowshoes out a couple times for a winter hike in the woods. Can't do interesting stuff like that in Florida. I've never even seen a hill in any part of Florida where I've been. Are there any?
Miserable sweltering humidity. -Not as bad as Vietnam. Absolutely zero mountains. - BS, I have to walk uphill both ways to get the paper in the morning. No salmon or steelhead streams. -They aren't here because there are gazoogles of other and better fish to play with. Horrible hunting. - I know, it's a bitch having to shoot everything at least once. Or run over it. Miserable sweltering humidity. - You're being repetitive, check in with your doc first chance. Flat as a board. -BS There's a cliff not 10 miles from where I live that you can leap off and kill yourself. Two cliffs actually. Miserable sweltering humidity. - You never been to the Amazon have you? No western big game animals. - BS. There's buffalo not 10 miles from where I live. Miserable sweltering humidity. - Yer brain froze? Did I mention miserable sweltering humidity....I'd rather face liberals...🤣 - Liberals make good gator bait. Not bad for bull sharks either. Get yer fuggin' A/C fixed.
The left, democrats, liberals, communist, socialist, islamites, the news media, and globalist want power/control of the American people. They hate Americans, the Constitution, and the USA. They are all enemies and traitors of America. They are using immigration/illegals to change the demographics of our once great nation. Globalists are turning it into a 2nd rate country they can control. That is the end game! Educated Christians which can think and have guns cannot be controlled by government.
Miserable sweltering humidity. -Not as bad as Vietnam. Absolutely zero mountains. - BS, I have to walk uphill both ways to get the paper in the morning. No salmon or steelhead streams. -They aren't here because there are gazoogles of other and better fish to play with. Horrible hunting. - I know, it's a bitch having to shoot everything at least once. Or run over it. Miserable sweltering humidity. - You're being repetitive, check in with your doc first chance. Flat as a board. -BS There's a cliff not 10 miles from where I live that you can leap off and kill yourself. Two cliffs actually. Miserable sweltering humidity. - You never been to the Amazon have you? No western big game animals. - BS. There's buffalo not 10 miles from where I live. Miserable sweltering humidity. - Yer brain froze? Did I mention miserable sweltering humidity....I'd rather face liberals...🤣 - Liberals make good gator bait. Not bad for bull sharks either. Get yer fuggin' A/C fixed.
D D I thought of many things to say but you did very good.
Spotshooter: Its a hell of lot better place than kalifornicationkopia! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Bullshi t.
Miserable sweltering humidity. Absolutely zero mountains. No salmon or steelhead streams. Horrible hunting. Miserable sweltering humidity. Flat as a board. Miserable sweltering humidity. No western big game animals. Miserable sweltering humidity. Did I mention miserable sweltering humidity....I'd rather face liberals...🤣
Whatever. I’d still take Florida over California. Many areas of Florida still retain the southern culture that I love and am accustomed to. Besides that, the freshwater and saltwater fishing is tremendous. Yuge bream and largemouth down there. Hogs, ducks, turkeys, deer....I’m good.
Dad was from Dover, TN and Mom from Flora, IN. Her family moved to Frostproof during the depression. She was 5 and her youngest brother was born there.
Good old Dover. We had a great duck hunt in Dover Bottoms one day. Non stop killing ducks.....
Most of the oldsters on this site should be wondering more about the quality of nursing homes and whether they have an automatic "DNR" order (especially for PITA folks) or not as opposed to how the funking hunting is.
Deflave you might as well cash in your airline miles, fly to California so ol sal can whip your ass..
The guy that bitches about his own state three days a week digs up an article from 2013 that doesn't bitch about his state in an effort to demonstrate his state doesn't suck.
I doubt he could tie a shoe much less kick someone's ass.
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
There's people on Florida's beaches. Find a place to pull off the road about halfway between the ferry landing and Ocracoke village and you can see the Atlantic coast like Columbus found it. There's nobody on Ocracoke Island except for the residents of the village,..and 99% of the people who vacation there don't venture more than a mile north of the village.
The barrier island is about 16 miles long and if you check out any beach area a few miles up the road from the village you're probably not even going to see any footprints.
A lot of North Carolina's Outer Banks are like that. There's quite a few more people out there than there was back when I first started visiting back in the 70's,..but there's still long stretches of secluded National Seashore between Oregon Inlet and Ocracoke village.
Shut up B, we got enough [bleep] moving here from up north trying to turn this state blue. Folks don't listen to Bristoe cause this place sucks. Everybody here has the clapp and is an inbred low brow.
Ok in the “why so many tags” thread.. a bunch of guys said “NEVER AGAIN”... about Florida, and only non-hunters live there.
HUH ? ... I wandered through it once on a work run, but only stopped for key lime pie.
So - what’s wrong with Florida (beyond the crazy as bat chit posts I see of people arrested in Florida that is).
Are you a millennial? You started the thread title with a "so" and led two sentences in your thread with a superfluous "OK" or "So." It's mostly young democrats I see doing that. Do you use a lot of "likes" in the spoken language?
Paul,
I try to be flexible enough to use vernacular that gets the response I want, while still having fun and goofing off.. it is the Internet you know. So- you part of the grammar militia ?
LOL..
BTW - Calling a recently retired corp. engineer / new Gunsmith a young democrat millennial will get you special pricing if you ever need rifle work done. (By special I mean double the cost)
I moved to Florida in 1976. At first, I loved it. Lots-o-sun and fun. Lived in many places from top to bottom. Had some good jobs too. As I turned into a grumpy old fart, I became tired of the heat, humidity, traffic, concrete and A**holes (don't mind the bugs as I'm an Entomologist LOL). Finally said AMF last year and moved to the north GA mountains. Like it more gooder here.
Don't worry. At lest half of them will run off the road into the sawgrass and half of the rest will get carsick on the drive. Turn them around and send them to Crystal river.
I moved to Florida in 1976. At first, I loved it. Lots-o-sun and fun. Lived in many places from top to bottom. Had some good jobs too. As I turned into a grumpy old fart, I became tired of the heat, humidity, traffic, concrete and A**holes (don't mind the bugs as I'm an Entomologist LOL). Finally said AMF last year and moved to the north GA mountains. Like it more gooder here.
Yeah I figure when I get sick of the heat and traffic I'd move to Georgia as well.
Jesus, I though that wife of you'res would have picked up a third job by now and fixed this problem.
Speaking of wives, you know picking out a boat is a lot lot picking out a wife. How big, how fast, which color, there is so much to choose from the options are endless.
Jesus, I though that wife of you'res would have picked up a third job by now and fixed this problem.
Speaking of wives, you know picking out a boat is a lot lot picking out a wife. How big, how fast, which color, there is so much to choose from the options are endless.
Ok in the “why so many tags” thread.. a bunch of guys said “NEVER AGAIN”... about Florida, and only non-hunters live there.
HUH ? ... I wandered through it once on a work run, but only stopped for key lime pie.
So - what’s wrong with Florida (beyond the crazy as bat chit posts I see of people arrested in Florida that is).
Are you a millennial? You started the thread title with a "so" and led two sentences in your thread with a superfluous "OK" or "So." It's mostly young democrats I see doing that. Do you use a lot of "likes" in the spoken language?
Paul,
I try to be flexible enough to use vernacular that gets the response I want, while still having fun and goofing off.. it is the Internet you know. So- you part of the grammar militia ?
LOL..
BTW - Calling a recently retired corp. engineer / new Gunsmith a young democrat millennial will get you special pricing if you ever need rifle work done. (By special I mean double the cost)
Now see, that's the perfect way to respond to net smartassery. Very well done!
If the beach is your thing then the best beaches in the world are from Pensacola to Destin on the Gulf Coast. The outer banks of North Carolina don't come close.
There's people on Florida's beaches. Find a place to pull off the road about halfway between the ferry landing and Ocracoke village and you can see the Atlantic coast like Columbus found it. There's nobody on Ocracoke Island except for the residents of the village,..and 99% of the people who vacation there don't venture more than a mile north of the village.
The barrier island is about 16 miles long and if you check out any beach area a few miles up the road from the village you're probably not even going to see any footprints.
A lot of North Carolina's Outer Banks are like that. There's quite a few more people out there than there was back when I first started visiting back in the 70's,..but there's still long stretches of secluded National Seashore between Oregon Inlet and Ocracoke village.
Shut up B, we got enough [bleep] moving here from up north trying to turn this state blue. Folks don't listen to Bristoe cause this place sucks. Everybody here has the clapp and is an inbred low brow.
Yea, no joke. The west coast, with all the rocks and seals is where folks should go. This place is oppressively hot, humid, infested with sand spurs, and home to LOTS of sharks. The water is too green to see em coming too.
I had to look up Ozello Keys. That's one of the cool things about Florida. For the massive population of the state, there are hidden treasures everywhere!
Everytime I am down in Florida , I wonder how the early explorers did it with no mosquito repellents, wearing heavy armor, dealing with skirmishes day in day out along with stifling heat and humidity and the horror of no AC.
Everytime I am down in Florida , I wonder how the early explorers did it with no mosquito repellents, wearing heavy armor, dealing with skirmishes day in day out along with stifling heat and humidity and the horror of no AC.
I told my wife that if I rode a horse into Florida I'd have stopped around Jacksonville with a very adamant "fugk this."
Reading about Flagler and what he did to pave south Florida is pretty fascinating. And depressing.
There are many different "Florida's" these days. My wife was born and raised in Orlando. Central Florida away from the coast can still be quite nice, but Disney has created a monster around itself that locals hate. Lake Co.and surroundings is still not over grown and close enough to Orlando to enough all the city things.
Panhandle is as redneck as South Georgia or Alabama, maybe even more so. The condo parade that the St. Joe Company has built over the past 25 years has swallowed up the entire panhandle coast with development. A little chilly in the winter for short shirt weather year around.
Tampa/St. Pete has always been a little strange to me. Tampa is a working port, and can be less than glitzy. St. Pete has been God's waiting room for a long time. Sarasota is mini Great Britain in the winter. Ft. Meyers/Naples is the Snowbird resting site in the winter. Never seen anything so seasonal as Naples/Marco Island. Dead in the summer and butt to butt crowded in the winter.
Atlantic coast — gets to be an extension of NY. NJ, and Ontario from St. Augustine all the way to Vero Beach.
Miami and Dade/Broward counties. Welcome to the capital of Latin America! My cousin moved to Coral Gables to work about 1980, and every time she went to the grocery store and English was the second language, she moved up the coast. Ft. Lauderdale. Deerfield, Port St. Lucie and so on. If she lives long enough she'll be in Georgia.
Keys - Always been fully of weirdos and flakes along with hard core conchs. Key West is circus of gays and cruise ships and tourists.
Weather.
Florida south of Gainesville is as good as it gets Nov-April. 70-80ºf, low humidity, low bugs, not too rainy. May - Sept it's hot and humid. Bugs galore. However, it's really not much different from where I live in June - August, with the exception of afternoon thunderstorms, which can be welcome.
Speaking of those, you can witness some spectacular and nasty lighting almost every day this time of year. Tampa area and Ft. Meyers is unreal. Panhandle is no different. As the land mass heats up during the day, convection pulls the moist air in from the Gulf and about 4 pm it comes down in buckets. Pensacola has a unique climate in that respect with P'cola Beach being an island, just inland is Gulf Breeze of the peninsula, then P'cola across the bay. 30 miles north is Cantonment, AL and Century. FL. I've seen so many days there where the sun is out on P'cola Beach, clouds and sprinkles in Gulf Breeze, Pensacola proper is getting rain, and Century/Cantonment is getting horrendous lightning and traffic stopping deluge that lasts about 20-30 minutes. Then everything clears up and is sunny again.
A lot of the hate toward Florida stems from jealousy.
Not really, Most of Florida's "attributes" have been adroitly covered. The place sucks...
Why do you live here?
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
We took the boat ride out of Winter Park, FL this last year and I've never seen such opulence. People were tearing down two million dollar places to build nicer ones just to get the waterfront location. I don't see many/any Bentleys back home either, but I saw them there. From a tax standpoint, the deep pocketed people head there, but the FL. sales taxes are real high for normal people and it would be tough for a new couple just starting out furnishing a home.
Deflave you might as well cash in your airline miles, fly to California so ol sal can whip your ass..
The guy that bitches about his own state three days a week digs up an article from 2013 that doesn't bitch about his state in an effort to demonstrate his state doesn't suck.
I doubt he could tie a shoe much less kick someone's ass.
Deflave you might as well cash in your airline miles, fly to California so ol sal can whip your ass..
The guy that bitches about his own state three days a week digs up an article from 2013 that doesn't bitch about his state in an effort to demonstrate his state doesn't suck.
I doubt he could tie a shoe much less kick someone's ass.
I'll take Flave for $100. He's not as Tiny as his pictures make him look.
Deflave you might as well cash in your airline miles, fly to California so ol sal can whip your ass..
The guy that bitches about his own state three days a week digs up an article from 2013 that doesn't bitch about his state in an effort to demonstrate his state doesn't suck.
I doubt he could tie a shoe much less kick someone's ass.
Deflave you might as well cash in your airline miles, fly to California so ol sal can whip your ass..
The guy that bitches about his own state three days a week digs up an article from 2013 that doesn't bitch about his state in an effort to demonstrate his state doesn't suck.
I doubt he could tie a shoe much less kick someone's ass.
I'll take Flave for $100. He's not as Tiny as his pictures make him look.
I stayed in Jacksonville once back in 2003 for a week and a half. Too humid, too many bugs, but DAMN!!!! I ain't never seen so many HAWWWWWT women in my life! And I didn't care that most had been surgically enhanced. I'd go back just for that!
I stayed in Jacksonville once back in 2003 for a week and a half. Too humid, too many bugs, but DAMN!!!! I ain't never seen so many HAWWWWWT women in my life! And I didn't care that most had been surgically enhanced. I'd go back just for that!
That's a really cool looking place. Is it really expensive?
It varies through out the year on pricing as all do, you can check out different dates on their website at the link I posted for reference.
As far as comparing it regionally, I find it to be middle of the roadish. A savvy shopper can always find a deal anywhere, I'm not very savvy...
I've stayed at the peak of season for between 4 to $500.00 a night, off season it's 2 to $300.00, that's for ocean side balcony room's. At seasons peak, you can drop 1200 to $1600.00 a night for a deluxe rooms at hot resorts in Key West.
They have things others don't. Their poolside bar is great. I think there is only a total of 16 guest at a time in the house. It seems like there is only a couple when you're staying there, most are out and gone seeing the sights.
They don't allow children, sorry Clark.
They allow off the street.......gorgeous people, to use the pool during the day. None of the guest really use it much so they sorta decorate it with random beautiful people, only a few at a time. I know this from hitting on random beautiful people by the pool, they don't have a room there.
They could try and bump you next door to the "Lopez House" when you have a booking at the Southern Most House. They try very nonchalantly to send you next door, it's another incredible house on the beach just 50 feet away, but it's a different house, they own it and will refer to it as their annex.
Let them know at the time of booking that you have no interest in the "Lopez House", nothing wrong with it inside or out and you still have full use of both places but it's just not the Southern Most House.
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
I've stayed at the peak of season for between 4 to $500.00 a night, off season it's 2 to $300.00, that's for ocean side balcony room's. At seasons peak, you can drop 1200 to $1600.00 a night for a deluxe rooms at hot resorts in Key West.
Ouch!
I think I'll just set up a tent in Clark's yard for 3 months. Way cheaper! Especially when you factor in the free beer!
Never lived in Florida. Taxes and climate seem nice, outstanding fishing. Seems everyone we meet who just moved to TN came from Michigan or Florida. I can understand them leaving Michigan, but why Florida?
Never lived in Florida. Taxes and climate seem nice, outstanding fishing. Seems everyone we meet who just moved to TN came from Michigan or Florida. I can understand them leaving Michigan, but why Florida?
They are called Halfbacks. They can't stand the heat
Too hot, too many ticks, mosquitoes are too many and too big, too many chiggers, too many other things that want to eat you and too many diseases. That did not mention all the big reptiles trying have you for dinner. And almost for got about the hungry pigs.
We took the boat ride out of Winter Park, FL this last year and I've never seen such opulence. People were tearing down two million dollar places to build nicer ones just to get the waterfront location. I don't see many/any Bentleys back home either, but I saw them there. From a tax standpoint, the deep pocketed people head there, but the FL. sales taxes are real high for normal people and it would be tough for a new couple just starting out furnishing a home.
Sales tax is generally 6% or 7% in most counties. What do you consider reasonable or normal?
FL does not have state tax, city tax, death tax, etc.
Check that in NY or CA or anywhere else offering Sanctuary cities and get back to me.
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
Too hot, too many ticks, mosquitoes are too many and too big, too many chiggers, too many other things that want to eat you and too many diseases. That did not mention all the big reptiles trying have you for dinner. And almost for got about the hungry pigs.
Not to mention there ain't a tampon stand for miles, and miles, and miles.
I stayed in Jacksonville once back in 2003 for a week and a half. Too humid, too many bugs, but DAMN!!!! I ain't never seen so many HAWWWWWT women in my life! And I didn't care that most had been surgically enhanced. I'd go back just for that!
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
I’d go to Miami with Dad when I was a little kid. I still remember the food. First time I tried flan or plantains. Killer roast pork, rice and beans, shredded beef....
I stayed in Jacksonville once back in 2003 for a week and a half. Too humid, too many bugs, but DAMN!!!! I ain't never seen so many HAWWWWWT women in my life! And I didn't care that most had been surgically enhanced. I'd go back just for that!
How can it be that this thread has ran page after page for days without even a mere mention of the fact that it's OK to shoot people that pizz us off in Florida?
I’d go to Miami with Dad when I was a little kid. I still remember the food. First time I tried flan or plantains. Killer roast pork, rice and beans, shredded beef....
Food is more expensive in Florida than in the Midwest, but it is pretty equivalent quality wise I'd say and the seafood is more available. It does rankle me some to pay more for Florida's Natural orange juice about 20 miles from where they make the stuff than we pay for the exact same juice back in Wisconsin. Intra-state trucking costs vs. inter-state trucking cost is how they justify it when I toured their plant and asked. Green Wise choice black Angus tenderloin that we get in Florida is the best that I've ever eaten. Florida pizza sucks though from all the places that we've tried. The marginal tenderloin, but the great pizza in Wisconsin I suspect are both tied to the vibrant diary industry here. Great cheese, but we eat burned out milk cow.
JeffA, tis true that near everyone I know in Florida that can handle a handgun has their CCW permit and down there most of us don't go too far from home without packing something. Thinking folk don't wander around after dark where we live.
I see they closed Dirty Ernie's in Ft. Lauderdale a couple of years ago. That's the end of an era for sure. The place for conch chowder and pulled pork sandwiches on bimini bread as well as tons of other good stuff. It was a genuine dive for the first half of its life. For many years they left the bullet holes in the mirror above the bar where some biker had shot it up. The original owner was a die hard anti-government libertarian and the walls were covered with "radical" slogans as well as a butt load of genuine Florida memorabilia. It was sold and the new owner tried to nice it up and make it more touristy which lost half the atmosphere but fortunately they kept the good food, then he sold it in 2017.
RIP Ernie's, another bit of old Florida lost.
R Donuts closed in 1990. That was the topless donut shop on Federal Highway just a few blocks from Ernie's.
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
Might wanna work on your machismo buddy.
Why did you move from Montana to Florida?
Opportunity knocked and I opened the door.
My opportunity will come when I retire next year. I'm selling the house here first, then I'm gone, returning only for funerals and weddings. Gawd I dislike Florida..
Food is more expensive in Florida than in the Midwest, but it is pretty equivalent quality wise I'd say and the seafood is more available. It does rankle me some to pay more for Florida's Natural orange juice about 20 miles from where they make the stuff than we pay for the exact same juice back in Wisconsin. Intra-state trucking costs vs. inter-state trucking cost is how they justify it when I toured their plant and asked. Green Wise choice black Angus tenderloin that we get in Florida is the best that I've ever eaten. Florida pizza sucks though from all the places that we've tried. The marginal tenderloin, but the great pizza in Wisconsin I suspect are both tied to the vibrant diary industry here. Great cheese, but we eat burned out milk cow.
Agree on the pizza.
Groceries are the cheapest I've ever seen anywhere.
I’d go to Miami with Dad when I was a little kid. I still remember the food. First time I tried flan or plantains. Killer roast pork, rice and beans, shredded beef....
My opportunity will come when I retire next year. I'm selling the house here first, then I'm gone, returning only for funerals and weddings. Gawd I dislike Florida..
Maybe it just wears on people but we really like it here.
My opportunity will come when I retire next year. I'm selling the house here first, then I'm gone, returning only for funerals and weddings. Gawd I dislike Florida..
Maybe it just wears on people but we really like it here.
It's just a matter of taste. I just love the West and most of all the seasonal changes. Spent my entire life here practically and I'm done with the weather. Hurricane-wise, I've been lucky, but wait till the next one hits and you spend weeks without power....I would really like the four corners area out west..
It's just a matter of taste. I just love the West and most of all the seasonal changes. Spent my entire life here practically and I'm done with the weather. Hurricane-wise, I've been lucky, but wait till the next one hits and you spend weeks without power....I would really like the four corners area out west..
Florida has some damn good food but 'ya gotta look a bit harder. All the transplants visit the same crap they're used to from wherever they came from, Chili's, O'charlies, etc. Hell, my brother in law wanted to take me to Red Lobster! And he's been down there for nearly 50 years. Just not a foodie I guess. One of my goals on my many trips there is to seek out the old, original, real deal seafood shacks, wholesalers & such. $3.99 a # for crab legs, $3.50 lobster tails, cooked with drawn butter!
With so much diversity of folks it's a challenge to find the real or old Fl. But its a hell of a treat when you do. I used to say I hated Fl. but realized I hate big cities, heavy traffic & overcrowding, & Fl.has it's share. But those minuses are in every state & it's only getting worse.
Get off the beaten path there sometime. It changed my opinion.
My opportunity will come when I retire next year. I'm selling the house here first, then I'm gone, returning only for funerals and weddings. Gawd I dislike Florida..
Maybe it just wears on people but we really like it here.
It's just a matter of taste. I just love the West and most of all the seasonal changes. Spent my entire life here practically and I'm done with the weather. Hurricane-wise, I've been lucky, but wait till the next one hits and you spend weeks without power....I would really like the four corners area out west..
the four corners area is mostly rez land, can you say navajo and hopi. having said that some of the prettiest country you will ever see is that stretch running from grand junction colorado down to cortez and trinidad. having said that, keep in mine the above ground nuclear testing in nevada years back and the winds that blew that radiation all over the four corners area. Check "downwinders". I lost a son and a lot of classmates due to that little booboo. i was sneaking back into arizona one early morning doing about 90 in my diesel. came over a hill and there was a arizona department of public safety officer to light me up. He asked me what the hurry was and i showed him the front of my truck, where i had hit a deer in a blizzard up by meeker. Said deer was stiff as a board due to the cold in the back of the truck. Said officer said he understood, and that was that, no ticket. he worked for the arizona highway patrol but lived in colorado. perfect job, his bosses were in phoenix, like half a continent away. my view of florida was tainted by a little misunderstanding. Right after the raid on libya, i was on a naval base at i think called chicken neck, and was wandering around with a navy guy. i climbed up a gang ladder and was looking into the cockpit of an intruder, when some popo type took offense. When they realized i was not a south american, russian, or liberal all was well. The gun ports on the f14's were still blackened. hot, way too much humidity, bugs, bugs, bugs. as t o that area of south colorado/arizona, there are a number of small towns in the delores river canyon that are spectacular. 2am in the morning cruising through the ground fog, and seeing a herd of 50deer or so wandering around in the towndown area.
My wife enforces the 51/100 rule. The Navy stationed me here and we are equidistant from my family in Miami and hers in Pensacola, even though her dad spends half the year up at their place in the PA mountains. That is probably were we're headed once I retire from my present job.
Florida has some damn good food but 'ya gotta look a bit harder. All the transplants visit the same crap they're used to from wherever they came from, Chili's, O'charlies, etc. Hell, my brother in law wanted to take me to Red Lobster! And he's been down there for nearly 50 years. Just not a foodie I guess. One of my goals on my many trips there is to seek out the old, original, real deal seafood shacks, wholesalers & such. $3.99 a # for crab legs, $3.50 lobster tails, cooked with drawn butter!
With so much diversity of folks it's a challenge to find the real or old Fl. But its a hell of a treat when you do. I used to say I hated Fl. but realized I hate big cities, heavy traffic & overcrowding, & Fl.has it's share. But those minuses are in every state & it's only getting worse.
Get off the beaten path there sometime. It changed my opinion.
Florida is full of fantastic restaurants on and off the beaten path. Of course you have to know what Good Food is .
I stayed in Jacksonville once back in 2003 for a week and a half. Too humid, too many bugs, but DAMN!!!! I ain't never seen so many HAWWWWWT women in my life! And I didn't care that most had been surgically enhanced. I'd go back just for that!
First thing wrong is it isn't the South. There's some patches of Crackers here and there you could rightly call Southern, but for the most part, no. There rest of the state is a mongrelized mess. The food sucks, too. Kinda hard to make anything taste right with water that bad. You'd think you could get good seafood anywhere, but they're too lazy to bother. If there's any good BBQ I never found it.
I will say that the hunters down there who are consistently successful are very good. The few years I hunted down there made me a better deer hunter. I stuck with it long enough to get a decent public land buck and then hung it up. It's much more worthwhile to spend hunting time on the road going somewhere better. Likewise I stuck with the turkeys long enough to get a gobbler. Those FL birds weren't any harder than public Easterns in some other places. It was just so many people messing me up all the time until I found one and killed it before they had the chance.
There is some really pretty swamp down there like I have seen nowhere else, though. Still wouldn't recommend it.
Florida has some damn good food but 'ya gotta look a bit harder. All the transplants visit the same crap they're used to from wherever they came from, Chili's, O'charlies, etc. Hell, my brother in law wanted to take me to Red Lobster! And he's been down there for nearly 50 years. Just not a foodie I guess. One of my goals on my many trips there is to seek out the old, original, real deal seafood shacks, wholesalers & such. $3.99 a # for crab legs, $3.50 lobster tails, cooked with drawn butter!
With so much diversity of folks it's a challenge to find the real or old Fl. But its a hell of a treat when you do. I used to say I hated Fl. but realized I hate big cities, heavy traffic & overcrowding, & Fl.has it's share. But those minuses are in every state & it's only getting worse.
Get off the beaten path there sometime. It changed my opinion.
Florida is full of fantastic restaurants on and off the beaten path. Of course you have to know what Good Food is .
Where Flave and I live, it is actually harder to find bad food than good food.
Florida has some damn good food but 'ya gotta look a bit harder. All the transplants visit the same crap they're used to from wherever they came from, Chili's, O'charlies, etc. Hell, my brother in law wanted to take me to Red Lobster! And he's been down there for nearly 50 years. Just not a foodie I guess. One of my goals on my many trips there is to seek out the old, original, real deal seafood shacks, wholesalers & such. $3.99 a # for crab legs, $3.50 lobster tails, cooked with drawn butter!
With so much diversity of folks it's a challenge to find the real or old Fl. But its a hell of a treat when you do. I used to say I hated Fl. but realized I hate big cities, heavy traffic & overcrowding, & Fl.has it's share. But those minuses are in every state & it's only getting worse.
Get off the beaten path there sometime. It changed my opinion.
Food is more expensive in Florida than in the Midwest, but it is pretty equivalent quality wise I'd say and the seafood is more available. It does rankle me some to pay more for Florida's Natural orange juice about 20 miles from where they make the stuff than we pay for the exact same juice back in Wisconsin. Intra-state trucking costs vs. inter-state trucking cost is how they justify it when I toured their plant and asked. Green Wise choice black Angus tenderloin that we get in Florida is the best that I've ever eaten. Florida pizza sucks though from all the places that we've tried. The marginal tenderloin, but the great pizza in Wisconsin I suspect are both tied to the vibrant diary industry here. Great cheese, but we eat burned out milk cow.
JeffA, tis true that near everyone I know in Florida that can handle a handgun has their CCW permit and down there most of us don't go too far from home without packing something. Thinking folk don't wander around after dark where we live.
Where in the hell are you getting good pizza in WI?
The one thing I do buy in the people's republic of Illinausea. Pizza. Bring it home and freeze it, thaw it and 10mins in the oven at 400 and g2g. Joe's, Cimino's, Cannova's or Maria's in Freeport. Got a Rosati's there that does a decent thin crust, but you can't beat Maria's or Joe's.
I fished out of harbors from east texas to florida - never seen folks like the interesting folks in florida . Lived in biloxi 22 years never a single fisherman/deckhand/dockhand like these folks , maybe it's all staged IDK . Likely a bunch of outlaw new englanders who needed to get out of new york -- fast ..
I lived in an inland community Southeast of Tampa called Riverview for two years in the early 2000’s. Not a bad time, but I think I’ll stay here at home in Kentucky for however long I have left.
I fished out of harbors from east texas to florida - never seen folks like the interesting folks in florida . Lived in biloxi 22 years never a single fisherman/deckhand/dockhand like these folks , maybe it's all staged IDK . Likely a bunch of outlaw new englanders who needed to get out of new york -- fast ..
Oh Gawwwd, you had to dredge that up.
Nothing staged there other than them beefing it up a little due to the camera running. I know who those people are, I raised a kid that was the offspring of one of them while living on Treasure Island just over the bridge from where this was filmed.
Try getting one of them in front of a notary with a valid ID to sign off on guardianship papers.
I was all set to move to Florida, for the Iguana hunting, when I saw this news story. All bets are off. I'll stay in Montana.
PETA is full of something that smells. The state already issued that directive, basically saying it's balls to the walls but do it in a humanitarian / non-suffering way.
Single bullet to the grey seems pretty humane to me.
I fished out of harbors from east texas to florida - never seen folks like the interesting folks in florida . Lived in biloxi 22 years never a single fisherman/deckhand/dockhand like these folks , maybe it's all staged IDK . Likely a bunch of outlaw new englanders who needed to get out of new york -- fast ..
Oh Gawwwd, you had to dredge that up.
Nothing staged there other than them beefing it up a little due to the camera running. I know who those people are, I raised a kid that was the offspring of one of them while living on Treasure Island just over the bridge from where this was filmed.
Try getting one of them in front of a notary with a valid ID to sign off on guardianship papers.
I fished out of harbors from east texas to florida - never seen folks like the interesting folks in florida . Lived in biloxi 22 years never a single fisherman/deckhand/dockhand like these folks , maybe it's all staged IDK . Likely a bunch of outlaw new englanders who needed to get out of new york -- fast ..
Oh Gawwwd, you had to dredge that up.
Nothing staged there other than them beefing it up a little due to the camera running. I know who those people are, I raised a kid that was the offspring of one of them while living on Treasure Island just over the bridge from where this was filmed.
Try getting one of them in front of a notary with a valid ID to sign off on guardianship papers.
Jeff , Where are they from ? Or does anybody know . . .
Jeff , Where are they from ? Or does anybody know . . .
The fishing docks those guy work out of is in the middle of Madeira Beach, FL (13613 Gulf Blvd). Not to be confused with the more popular docks/marinas in the area at Johns Pass, a mile to the south or Madeira Beach Marina, a mile to the north.
It's been there forever, they claim it to be the Grouper fishing capital of the world. Today there is a small handful of commercial fishing vessels and a few sports fishing charters working out of there.
My history and reference to my involvement there goes back some 25 to 40 years. At that time, it was in transition. It'd been a hot spot for pot boats running back and forth to South America. As that trade was fading these types rolled in hoping for jobs on the pot boats and found all that was left was actual fishing boats. Just a bunch of dregs, they showed up from all parts of the country and stayed. Those types would have never landed a job on a pot boat anyway. It was a much better class of individuals working the pot boats and everybody had change in their pockets. That was the early to mid 70's. I grew up there on that beach..
The brother of a friend of mine used to work on "shrimp boats" (wink wink) back in the 70's. If I recall he made $2000 for one night's work unloading those square grouper, and he'd only work maybe three nights per month. $36,000 annual salary, all cash, all net, was good money for a 22 year old guy in the mid-70's. Good looking guy, he did some catalog modeling on the side. So, a handsome kid with lots of dough - he never was flashy with the money like driving expensive cars or such but he always showed up with the hottest babes.
Cost more in Louisiana and there is too much travel time to good fishing grounds when compared to the Keys. I'd rather be fishing crystal clear blue water off coral reefs than doing roundy rounds at an oil rig all day..
Both places do have good fishing, the keys can be a tad spendyer on hotel accommodations.
The worst thing about living in Florida is-- The Liberal yankees who move here from the northeast, Indiana, Michigan (the blue plate specials), who want avoid the high taxes where they came from, but strive to make Florida just like --Up Home!! Oh, and the Canadians who winter here-- they bring one shirt and a $20,00 dollar bill and don't change either one!
Cost more in Louisiana and there is too much travel time to good fishing grounds when compared to the Keys. I'd rather be fishing crystal clear blue water off coral reefs than doing roundy rounds at an oil rig all day..
Both places do have good fishing, the keys can be a tad spendyer on hotel accommodations.
I have not fished Lousiana yet but I have the Keys and they are spectacular.
The irony in all this is that in comparison to the time frame up to the mid to late '80s, today's fishing in Floriduh sucks slimy swamp water, especially down in the Keys.
The irony in all this is that in comparison to the time frame up to the mid to late '80s, today's fishing in Floriduh sucks slimy swamp water, especially down in the Keys.
Are you suggesting a time machine is in order?
It use to snow so heavy in Montana that it'd be up to my waist almost every time. It don't snow like that anymore.
No, I suggest we are reaping the rewards of ill considered abuse of the state's waters. 99% of our estuarine waters are impaired by pollutants as well as 80%+ of inland water. It's the gift bequeathed by millions of Yankees and neatly wrapped by idiot politicians.
Oh, wait a minute..they did claim the Alligator to be endangered at one time and protected them...Until they decided they were wrong and de-listed it....
I will say that Florida state fish and game management is consistent, if that's a quality when you suck.
No, I suggest we are reaping the rewards of ill considered abuse of the state's waters. 99% of our estuarine waters are impaired by pollutants as well as 80%+ of inland water. It's the gift bequeathed by millions of Yankees and neatly wrapped by idiot politicians.
Floriduh sucks, spread the word.
That Army Corp of Engineers really did the Everglades a big favor many years ago didn't they.. HOw many thousand truckloads will be needed to fix that mess?
FLorida needs to put a cap on residents...When I left in 1995 I didn't think it could hold more people.
In all the years of being around Florida I've never known them to have fish or game management plans that made any sense.
Back in the day we got to catch all the King Mackerel we wanted until there was none. I use to net all the Red's I could sell, until there was none.
It's always sorta been like just do it but when they are all gone stop... Whatever you call that kind of management plan it's what they run with.....
FWC is not the problem. It's the legislature primarily, and the state agencies and local jurisdictions that bow to them such as the water districts and ambitious county commissions. In short, it is how development is promoted and regulated with application of myopic objectives. There in nothing in the state that contributes more to our economic success than water, not even close, yet we continue to fug it up at every turn.
Everything I know I just leaned in the afternoon. We decided to spend the week in the keys. Left FLL airports at 11am. Got into Marathon at 4pm. 141 miles in 5 hrs. Does everybody and their brother haul their fishing boat south come Saturday ? JFC. I thought I was going to commit Hari Kari by the time I got here
Decided to go to the grocery. I turned around and left. It was like Mother’s Day in the projects.
I don’t know if it is always like this but, I think I have had enough already and I got 6 more days.
We met some folks at the American legion post tonight that told us about Duval st. Luckily we are a day late. There will be one day this week we head south
We didn’t know it but this is mini lobster season this week. The locals hate it. That is the reason this place is a zoo.
We met some folks at the American legion post tonight that told us about Duval st. Luckily we are a day late. There will be one day this week we head south
We didn’t know it but this is mini lobster season this week. The locals hate it. That is the reason this place is a zoo.
You hit mini-season week perfectly. It will get worse by Monday, and Tuesday-Friday will be an all out cluster fugg.
Unfortunately, I have to run an 80’ sportfish down there on charter Tuesday with some guests who have never caught a lobster before. We were down this past week scouting and fishing, and some of our spots have bugs, but the people I have on charter are probably the worst ‘guests’ I’ve had since I began working on boats in the 80’s, and that is saying something. The worst part of it is that I’m doing a favor for a friend who runs this boat full time, so it’s not even my own charter. The only upside of the whole mess is that the boat is a 8 month old Viking, so it’s like running a big, cushy, fighter jet around, just beautiful. Now if I can keep the googans from running into it this week, that would be great.
Be safe, have patience, and show up for dinner at any restaurant either with reservations, or time to spare waiting for a table. Hopefully you’ll have some fun and won’t let the influx of ‘Miami’ this week get you down.
We met some folks at the American legion post tonight that told us about Duval st. Luckily we are a day late. There will be one day this week we head south
We didn’t know it but this is mini lobster season this week. The locals hate it. That is the reason this place is a zoo.
You hit mini-season week perfectly. It will get worse by Monday, and Tuesday-Friday will be an all out cluster fugg.
Unfortunately, I have to run an 80’ sportfish down there on charter Tuesday with some guests who have never caught a lobster before. We were down this past week scouting and fishing, and some of our spots have bugs, but the people I have on charter are probably the worst ‘guests’ I’ve had since I began working on boats in the 80’s, and that is saying something. The worst part of it is that I’m doing a favor for a friend who runs this boat full time, so it’s not even my own charter. The only upside of the whole mess is that the boat is a 8 month old Viking, so it’s like running a big, cushy, fighter jet around, just beautiful. Now if I can keep the googans from running into it this week, that would be great.
Be safe, have patience, and show up for dinner at any restaurant either with reservations, or time to spare waiting for a table. Hopefully you’ll have some fun and won’t let the influx of ‘Miami’ this week get you down.
Craig
A big Viking, I hate it for you Probably one of the good things that comes out of NJ.
It'll skinny up some through the week days even with the mini season going. A lot more local folks from Miami to Ft Myers area are just seizing their weekend off to go get a lobster, that's why you ran into all the boat towing traffic on the way down, they ain't stayin' all week, not most of them anyway.
It is gonna make it harder to find a charter or rental boat if you don't have something prearranged.
A partial day or sunset boat trip out to one of the many coral reefs for snorkeling is something everyone should consider if they've never done it. Even if you don't get out of the boat it will be a enjoyable time.
The magic lies in what's beneath the surface of all that water you are looking at
Choose you timing wisely for your venture to Key West. Everybody goes and drives the loop around the island as a day trip. On a busy weekend day at the peak of season I have set in traffic 30 miles outside of KW waiting as the string of cars crawls along. It moves at the pace of how long it takes people to drive down Duval St. and either leave or find parking.
Once you get down there, don't try to drive down Duval, park on any street in any side neighborhood and walk it from there. The parking in the hoods is free, if walking isn't your thing, jump on a first shuttle tram or the Conch train, which ever you see first, just flag them down. If you're more adventurous than that, rent a scooter or a bike, they are everywhere. Rental services are plentiful and they will get you all over the place and you'll have no trouble parking them.
Fort Zachary Beach is the best place to escape the madness of KW without leaving the island. Nice stop to catch your breath and take a break.
The place comes alive at night and the traffic lightens up considerably as well for your drive back. You might try something more traditional of KW and stay for dinner and then take in one of the shows at the local clubs. Try the Aqua Club or 801 Bourbon Club for some true Key West entertainment along with some more colorful tales to tell when you get back home.
We were going to bring our dive gear but I found all the operators I talked to sent divers and snorkelers together which meant they limited dives to 60 min.
At a 40ft depth, that meant we would come up with half a tank and that is not acceptable to us
We just decided to do the tourist thing for the week so we can pick and choose when and where we go.
Robbies on Islamorada is normally good for a boat rental, but probably not this week. Pretty easy to find your own way around the reefs there with a basic set of charts for diving. I am close enough that I bring my own boat, I'd be part of that traffic you encountered.
If I am coming down to wine and dine I stay in the resorts but when it's myself and another couple guys for fishing we book a vacation rental through VBRO or AirBnB, they are way cheaper and normally there will be parking for our boats and trucks.. It's amazing how many of those come with a boat, like a 18 to 22 ft open fisherman or the like. I suppose they bank on the liability insurance those vacation rental services throw in when you list your home through them.
The combination of dealing with the congestion involved with the Miami and Fort Lauderdale areas and their airports topped off with the horrid 125 mile drive through the little beach towns in the Keys sucks bad, it can be a poor way to start a trip. A guy needs to entertain the option of flying into SW FL International over in Ft Myers, it's a sleepy little airport. From there you can jump on the High Speed Ferry straight into Key West and be there in short order. Or just fly right into KW and rent a car for a day or two, either way you never have to deal with the drive or even see Miami...When I have to make that drive pulling a boat I start down through there at like 3 am.
Lots of ways to enjoy the area...hope your stay is pleasant...
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