MSN has another poll that I found interesting. It concerns social security.

https://www.msn.com/?pc=EUPP_

While not dependent on Social Security I sure as hell want my share back. After paying into that sinkhole for 40 years I am not going to just let it go away.

I don't want any of it; it needs to die, but it won't.

The biggest Ponzi scheme no one will see time for....

+1

I want mine back too. All of it.

How conservative of you guys...

Fire up the presses, kick the can down the road and maybe this socialism will fix itself.
That'll show 'em.

Your SS is gone, plus you owe another $223k and growing in federal debt before you die. Let that sink in for a bit

Its someone else's problem, Norman.

Failed socialism needs to end, but not on MY watch!

Seems to me that by taking what I'm owed I'll be helping you out with your "conservative" concerns. The more I get the faster SS fails. Thank me later.

Somebody needs to pay for her 15 kids, lets start a go fund the .......... with 15 kids go fund me page. We can start collecting money for her on the campfire. How much could we collect to help her out??

Out of our 4 trillion federal budget, only 3 trillion is funded. That's means we borrow 25%

1.3 trillion is SS and Medicare
1 trillion goes to wellfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc.
700 billion on defense
250 billion interest payments


Getting rid of welfare would fix our budget.

Needing SS is subjective. In my opinion, anyone including Bill Gates has been paying into SS for decades, he is entitled to the benefits as well. It's not my place to decide if he needs it or not. The rules apply to everyone equally.

The prevailing notion is to print more money....SS will fail at the same time the currency is worthless. There is no "conservative" when socialist policy is in question.
There are those who want their money that isn't there and they are in the same camp as those who wish to kick the can until everything is worthless.

Besides, no politician will be on watch to witness Social Security failing....

I'll donate $10.00 towards sewing her Pu**y shut.

So I'm supposed to roll over and give up all the money I paid in while the Congress continues to hand out to those who never paid, business, agriculture, foreign countries, illegal aliens, and anyone else with their hand out? No thanks Twinkletoes. Fix all that, and then we can talk.

Well Pappy of course you are supposed to do that. It’s the (white )thing to do. In the meantime all the non workers get more and more. Fun them and their horse. If we give up SS they will gladly give it to all the new Dem wetbacks. Nope Ain’t gonna do it. Ed k

I'm beginning to have the same selfish attitude.

I'm supposed to fund a broke system that I wont see?
[bleep] you boomers.....

I dont believe in the Federal Income tax anyway. Never have.
Government giveth, government taketh away.

The Piper WILL get paid...just hope your gone when it happens.

I’ve gotten SS for six months, hope it lasts a while longer!

SSI is simply an insurance policy no different than car insurance. Everyone pays, some never collect, some collect a lot more than they paid in. In theory there isn't anything wrong with it, but major changes should have been made 30-40 years ago. But no politician has the guts to do what is right. An insurance company can't stay in business charging 1940's insurance rates and paying out in 2019 money. Relatively small increases done 30 years ago along with small reductions in benefits would have made a huge difference in the program today. The program can still work, but the longer politicians wait to do the right thing the bigger the rate increases will need to be and the deeper the cuts in benefits.

And I believe people should have the ability to opt out, or at least have options for different levels of benefits and payments. It can be there for those who want it, those who don't can sign up for more limited benefits at reduced prices or not pay in at all.

I'll be 62 in Feb and will start collecting then. Unless something terribly wrong happens it should be around for the rest of my life. My kids will almost surely see reduced benefits and probably higher rates before they are old enough to retire.

I'll dang sure try to get mine back, especially for the many years I was paying 'both sides' of it at 15% being self employed.

That and that fuggin 'medicare tax' too.



I didn't have "mr mcghee" from the chicken plucker plant send in 7.5 % for me.

So, it's selfish to desire to get back money you have paid involuntarily that our govt has consistently said was really paid for our own personal account? Where is the selfishness in that young feller? I retired 3 years ago, and I'll be 60 in a coupla weeks. LIke many here, I have paid the max in SS for the majority of my working career. And since I don't see SS surviving in its present form for much longer, yeah, I want my money back, and I'm gonna start drawing as soon as I legally can, at 62. My wife has had a similar career as mine, and she'll start drawing the first month she's eligible. I'll let your most insensitive comment slide, cause you are obviously young and don't understand how we older workers feel about this.

All part of the compensation my employers agreed to when they hired me: hourly pay+SS+health insurance+paid leave+pension+life insurance+full health insurance for me and my wife after retirement. They got their money's worth while I worked and I'm getting what they agreed to in exchange. You went another way it seems. I hope that's working out as well for you as what I did is for me.

My thoughts exactly. I paid both sides for the 13 years I was self employed. Then to ice the cake l had my SS benefit knocked down 50% because I receive a government pension. Pay double and receive half, yeah that seems fair.

Just signed up for ss friday. Start collecting in november. I'm a boomer that paid in since 18 so 44 years. I think I earned it!!

At 55 I've been paying in for over 40 years[near 30 I've been self employed so paying all of mine and 1/2+ of employees].
There best be some crumbs left 6 years from now....

Hahaha!

It would sure as hell wreck mine!

I wish I had been able to deposit 7.5% more my entire working life. Oh, what a pile of dough that would have been. If I claim at 66 and live to be 110, I'll still be disappointed I had to pay SS.

I've about decided the best idea would be to refund everybody what they have put in, minus what they have received, and then trash ss. It would cripple the government for a bit, but it would help get rid of the parasites who are milking the system. It's nuts to pay a dollar in the 60's that worth what, a dime today?

make da baby-daddies pay for 'em

I'm 60 and have been paying in for about 40+ years. What are the differences between collecting at 62 vs. 66?

I think there are two options as we steam into the cliff

1.. Go bankrupt and start over. Admit there is no way to make socialism work.
2. Inflation, and devaluation ... print more money ... postpone bankruptcy for a decade .. then go bankrupt anyway, start over. Admit there is no way to make socialism work.


These a real decisions that will be made in the next 15-20 years if you do the math and use a polynomial trendline to take into account the surge of boomers hitting medicare and SS over the next 10 years. I think it's going to get uglier faster than most predict. But I'm just an idiot redneck in MT so what do I know.

Go to this link, create an account and SSA will tell you the difference. They will break down the payments by year from 62 to full retirement.
https://www.ssa.gov/

No, I totally understand.

You invested in junk bonds and I get to pay for it. The majority of your generation kicked the can down the road on numerous occasions, now you want paid for your "investment".
The last go around was the Bush II era, where it was defeated on the premises of needing every last cent for the boomers; it's too risky.

It's like abortion: everyone against it is alive....

No worries, human nature.

Check out this . . . https://www.ssa.gov/planners/retire/retirechart.html

No kidding....

I had no choice in whether or not I had to pay into SS.
If there had been an opt out choice I would have done it.
You're bitching up the wrong tree here you whiney azz dink.
Now get out there tomorrow and help fund my next month's SS check and stop bitching.

People look at it wrong due to the wording used to encourage you to delay receiving benefits. You are not receiving reduced benefits at 62, your just not receiving larger benefits by delaying payment till 67 or later. It's their way of delaying payments hoping you will die and receive very little of what your entitled too.
It takes at least 11 years to break even which means one has to live to 78 to start seeing any benefit of the higher payments. This assumes you don't invest any of the SS payments. If you do that, it takes even longer. You also cannot pass on SS benefits. You die, its gone. If you have money of your own and don't plan on working after 62, I think it's clear that drawing as soon as possible is the way to go. I realize other circumstances may differ.

Correction. Junk bonds were bought in his name with money taken from him with a gun to his head.

I'm 50 and if I could opt out today with the government keeping every penny I've paid in so far I'd do it, just stop taking my money for the rest of my career. It's pretty unfair to question someone's conservative credentials for wanting back money that was taken from them at gunpoint. If they'd had a choice in the matter it would be different.

Anyone remember when Homer Simpson was going to gain 400lbs so he could go on SS disability? He was wearing a muu-muu and chit.

hahahaha

I'm 41, don't plan on working a day past 55. If it's there when I'm 62 I'll take it because I've paid into the system, involuntarily, for 40 years. I'm not basing my retirement plans on that clusterphuq

Its broke.

The only people I see bitching and threatening are those getting it, the same ones that did nothing before. Now its in flames and if we gotta print money, cause of how "older workers feel" about it, then apparently I need to give a fugg. Well, I don't. Why? Cause none of you give a fugg about anyone after you get yours.

Hope the nursing homes treat ya'll well.

Hey stevenson, I hope it runs dry while you're still kickin' and tough enough to still back it up.....

I agree wholeheartedly, the problem is that a majority of them want their money owed to the point the printing press and the debt it will accrue apparently isn't their problem and that they, as a generation, apparently are the only ones with a gun to their head.

The last time a choice was offered, the retirees pissed and moaned and didn't want any part of a solution. Same now.

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No, I totally understand.

You invested in junk bonds and I get to pay for it. The majority of your generation kicked the can down the road on numerous occasions, now you want paid for your "investment".
The last go around was the Bush II era, where it was defeated on the premises of needing every last cent for the boomers; it's too risky.

It's like abortion: everyone against it is alive....

No worries, human nature.
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No I was an indentured slave forced to participate in a venture I didn’t like.
I had the privilege of 47 years of investing in something that was BS. I wasn’t old enough to vote when a lot of these programs were enacted or when it was mandatory for SSA surplus to go into the general fund to be issued bonds from the fed, nor did I willing agree to interest on said investment be paid for in government bonds.
So my government enslaved me in a scam of retirement benefits for 47 years and I am now collecting which against their wishes, hopes and best efforts that I would die before I could, failed.
Now I am at fault and owe you an apology or is it reparations you want?

You don't owe me [bleep], nor I you, or does that concept not make any [bleep] sense to you geezers?

As a fiscal conservative I've never counted on SS, as I could see it had been co-opted as another cash cow that Congress could use to in essence fund their reelection campaigns. As such, I planned my personal retirement investments to try and not be dependent upon it.
The fact it is still here is just icing on the cake. Try putting 15-18% of your income into retirement funding while also being forced to contribute to SS by law. It forced me to be very frugal with my money.


You are whining to the wrong person here boy.

You're the one whining AND collecting, as I already stated.

I don't give two schits about your personal story, its none of my business. It doesn't matter to me if you need it or not.

I don't want it, period. It's a pretty simple attitude to have when facts and common sense collide. I stated as much my very first post, then the butthurt came out.
It's broke and the only ones demanding it stay afloat is "fiscal conservatives" like yourself, not me, you old phouc.

Young whiney chunts need to shut up and keep working.
You're a real special kind of misdirected anger youngster aren't you?

And stuff your condescension in your ear, there's lots of room inside there obviously.
You whine like a bitch about paying for something you might not get and "It's all those boomer's fault"
I gave you an example of how to take care of your own retirement and you still want to bitch.
Go get fugged

At 67 years old and still in possession of all my faculties including common sense I find it hard to understand the term fugging senseless geezer. But you are right, I don’t owe you chit. Could care fugging less if you don’t collect a damn thing. I paid my dues, now you pay yours.

Ok Chairman Mao....

Read your own words, asshat, then make up some more quotes that aren't mine.

Nothing misdirected at all.

It apparently hit directly....

Well said! I'm in the same boat and I want every dime I'm owed! It's the least the system could do for the contributors!!!! Without us nobody would have received a penny.

Keep swinging away there dumbass, if you're so smart why don't you fix the system.
Please point out where I misquoted you. Or better yet show on the diagram where the nasty old guy hurt you.

Collect job applications for her & her kids.

I'm currently paying for my parents generation. Before that I paid for my grandparents generation. Soon it will be my turn to collect and you damn sure better pay just like all of us did you little weasel.

And tell me how that math works out, you phuggin tard.

I'll give that Somali girl in the rest home ten bucks to "take care" of you....

The first step in fixing the system is to actually have people interested in fixing the system. It's pretty obvious most of those receiving it aren't interested in anything other than printing more money.


2005

I believe SS was set up as a contract between generations. The contract is that you pay the preceding generations retirement and the next generation pays yours. You and I are not collecting or entitled to what we paid in. I'm 66 and now my kids and kids in-law think it is unfair that they are on the hook for a contract they had nothing to say about. They have a point. Also, the fatal weakness of the SS system is all the workers exempt from it. Railroad workers, state, city, county employees and a whole bunch more don't pay in and a whole lot of people who never paid in anywhere are drawing payments. All this together with the increase in life expectancy has really screwed up the system. So they can call it an entitlement if they wish, but when the younger generation figures out it is worthless to them they can cut us off.

I sure like the 1650.00 showing up the second Wednesday of the month. I pretend it’s my welfare check!