Erdogan likes Russia's S-400 air defense system better than the F-35.

They can probably buy SU-57's for a fraction of the price of the F-35, anyway.

https://www.rt.com/news/464324-no-f35-turkey-trump/

They are claiming that operating the F-35 alongside the S-400 would allow Moscow to learn its secrets.

Yeah,...something like that. More than anything, I think that it's just the fact that a NATO country is choosing to buy Russian armaments.

Trump explained a bit ago on tv today how they werent allowed by previo u s admin to buy our Patriot missiles so they bought the lesser quality from Russia. Now because of some rule they arent allowed to buy over 100 F-35s.

He said they are working to see what can be done.

I don't see that as a bad thing, and I don't see them as an ally.

I agree

Erdogan is a potential really big problem

Same here.

The U.S. laid a major egg when it started arming Kurds. The Kurds and Turks are blood enemies. It's difficult to maintain an alliance when you're arming their enemies.

On the other hand, Turkey gets along well with Iran and Russia.

The insane U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East put Erdogan on the spot.

Plus 1. Even though I have had the opportunity to fly through Turkey on some destinations, I have avoided them. I found most of the Turks I have met to be a less then friendly bunch that I would be hard pressed to trust.

Erdogan is a power hungry dictator that wants to crush any opposition with any force he has at hand or can muster. He showed that on his last visit to the States when he had his henchmen attack protesters.

Turkey is a potential big problem, we shouldn't be selling them goose chit.

Erdogan wants to be the head Mulla in the Middle East.
But I think if there’s ever a fair election in Turkey he will be out. Hasbeen

^ yep; let em live on turkey schidt instead

None of it means schit.

If they had both the plane and the air defense system radar they could pretty much extensively study the plane's reflective signature, however small, and distribute the results to whomever.

The Turks used to be afraid of the Soviets. Not so much any more. One just has to wonder, however, do those S-400s have a kill switch?

Wonder if these have a kill switch?

https://worldview.stratfor.com/arti...ropean-scrutiny-inf-treaty-russia-turkey

While initially a secret agreement, it is now common knowledge that the United States stores tactical nuclear weapons in several European countries under what is known as "nuclear sharing." Currently, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Turkey host U.S. tactical nuclear weapons on their soil.

Sell Turkey an F35 and it will be in Russia within months, if not weeks.

Yep. Turkey moved a substantial way towards another Muslim stronghold when the attempted coup failed a couple years ago as the usual attempt to return Turkey to secularism. The following purge in their (very pro-western) military has pretty much set Turkey back a few decades. Shame, I've spent a lot of time there and found it to be filled with very nice people who just want the best for their families.

Ataturk would be ashamed of what it has become.

Understatement ! Not only is he Muslim Brotherhood and has ambitions of uniting the Muslim world under his leadership he is currently encroaching on the territorial waters of Cyprus and Greece drilling wells to steal their gas and oil. His need for Russian S-400’s is to have functioning air defense when he goes to war with Greece and Cyprus. Cyprus and Israel are jointly developing the gas and oil fields so this is double risk of war. Turkey really is on the way out of NATO and likely on the path to war with NATO. Erdogan is a megalomaniac in the same vein as Saddam Hussein was. His megalomania will lead him to the same type of miscalculations that Saddam made that lead to a war he had no chance of winning. A war with us. Same with Erdogan.

Irony is that the US pushed the hardest for their inclusion into NATO.

We needed them to contain the USSR. We don't need them anymore.

Turks are just another breed of sleazy muzzies. Fugg them too...

Word.

The ONLY reason we wanted Turkey in NATO was so we could have access to their territory overlooking the Black Sea to set up LP/OPs for intercepting Soviet electronic intelligence. Having them in NATO "obligated" them into allowing partner nations to set up intel gathering sites on their soil without having to go through a complicated diplomatic and possibly unsuccessful treaty process.








Yup. They are devolving to the level of the rest of the Muzz trash. You can only put on and maintain an act for so long. Sooner or later your true colors show through. Islam is a totalitarian political and economic system that has to be implemented and maintained by force.

Need air bases in Turkey unfortunately

Shame the Kurds can’t overthrow the govt

Met a bunch of really decent Kurds . Can’t say the same for Turks

Ask the Armenians

You got that right......an't none of those sand negro's our ally.

Explain why we "need" air bases in Turkey?

Very true...

I work with Turks on a daily basis and the base I am working on for a few more days is ran by Turkey. I trust them about as far as I can throw them, at least their military members. Some of the civilians are ok, but get down to it and 95% are going to side with the Turkish government. Erdogan has made Turkey take two steps backwards not forwards. Most of the people I work with that are Turks will tell you one on one they can't stand him, but in a crowd they will not. I have to agree Ataturk would be upset with how Turkey is going.

What befuddles my mind more, NATO allowed Turkey to build a mosque on base and they are constantly sending out emails to give tours, etc.. If the other religions on base did that, all hell would break loose.

Many years ago trained with Turks and had same opinion. One on one ok but once they get into a group they’ll choose their Muslim identity (not pro western) over friendship. I always had an uneasy feeling around them.


The Kurds would go to hill and back with you.

Thanks for your input Hudge

Do you think we are still forced to maintain military bases in Turkey?

Turkey going western didn't work.
Invited to the dance, they went to a few............just stood back and watched the other guys get the girl.

By trading the dance hall for a goat farm, they get to be maximus pussimus gettimus.

I noticed you leftist sons of biches were okay with them when they were the communist Soviet Union.

Now that Russia is a nationalist, anti-globalist, populist and a more capitalist-than-not nation that is rediscovering and recovering it's Christian past, y'all don't seem to like them the same anymore. It's as if your ideologies have had a falling out of sorts.

Yes. Ataturk would hang all the Islamists.