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Old bull No. 178 was taken down by wolves this spring. He was part of the herd that the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources has brought in to Wisconsin to feed the local wolf population.

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Wisconsin is a wealthy state plenty of taxes can be paid for the wolves survival - the things are nearly extinct . Be thankful that there are people looking out for the future of the wolf .
Livestock owners, pet owners and hunting dog owners would disagree. You sound like one of the animal activists and federal judges that are not allowing the state officials to manage our wolf population.
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We keep spending money on bringing in more Elk but still do not have a predator management plan.

Expensive woof feed from Kentucky.
I think Ol_Mike is kidding. I am surprised they both lived that long. My land with a cabin on it is about 30 miles south of the elk area. There are wolves all over where my cabin is, so many in fact that I almost never even hunt there , just a day or two for gun season for old time sake and that is about it. The woods is healthier however, since the wolves established about 20 yrs ago. The white pines dont get eaten up and I even seen some Hemlock seedlings. They are always gone by spring however. It is amazing the wolves dont starve, there so few deer. There is a good chance the elk would shave died anyway. it was a very tough winter again up there with 40" of snow on the ground for a while. The deer numbers really went down and by spring I didnt even see a deer when I walked 5 miles and didn't see any by the cabin.
Michigan we haven't had a archery anterless deer season for 5 years in the UP "because of bad winters".....deer cannot recover because deer being wolves main food source.....

Even bear numbers are falling....in late February of 2012 while trapping I found where a wolf pack killed and ate a black bear outside its den didn't look like there was much of a fight....when checking furs in at a DNR office I told the biologist about it she said it was very unusual....I think it happens more than they would like to tell....
This is the anti-hunting group's goal from the beginning - use large predators to reduce game numbers to the point that hunting will have to be halted. That was their stated objective 20 years ago. It took them a long time to get their people in positions of power in the USFS, FWS, etc but they got it done. It backfired on them in a couple western states where wolves are now big game animals. They never planned for them to be hunted. They learned from their mistakes and got judges to halt a planned grizzly hunt last fall. I doubt we'll ever see them hunted in the lower 48 again.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
This is the anti-hunting group's goal from the beginning - use large predators to reduce game numbers to the point that hunting will have to be halted. That was their stated objective 20 years ago. It took them a long time to get their people in positions of power in the USFS, FWS, etc but they got it done. It backfired on them in a couple western states where wolves are now big game animals. They never planned for them to be hunted. They learned from their mistakes and got judges to halt a planned grizzly hunt last fall. I doubt we'll ever see them hunted in the lower 48 again.


Lol.
That skull seems to be all smiles! laugh
Originally Posted by WoodrowFCall
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
This is the anti-hunting group's goal from the beginning - use large predators to reduce game numbers to the point that hunting will have to be halted. That was their stated objective 20 years ago. It took them a long time to get their people in positions of power in the USFS, FWS, etc but they got it done. It backfired on them in a couple western states where wolves are now big game animals. They never planned for them to be hunted. They learned from their mistakes and got judges to halt a planned grizzly hunt last fall. I doubt we'll ever see them hunted in the lower 48 again.


Lol.

LOL all you want to but they, themselves, stated this years ago. I read it in one their own magazines. I made a mistake in thinking it was nonsense and didn't keep the magazine as proof of what they said.
Coyotewacker—wolf depredation on Black Bears is well-documented. It is about as unusual as rain in Nevada.
The death of a 14-year old bull and a 25-year old cow found at the end of winter is pinned on wolves?
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by WoodrowFCall
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
This is the anti-hunting group's goal from the beginning - use large predators to reduce game numbers to the point that hunting will have to be halted. That was their stated objective 20 years ago. It took them a long time to get their people in positions of power in the USFS, FWS, etc but they got it done. It backfired on them in a couple western states where wolves are now big game animals. They never planned for them to be hunted. They learned from their mistakes and got judges to halt a planned grizzly hunt last fall. I doubt we'll ever see them hunted in the lower 48 again.


Lol.

LOL all you want to but they, themselves, stated this years ago. I read it in one their own magazines. I made a mistake in thinking it was nonsense and didn't keep the magazine as proof of what they said.


I was laughing at how anti-hunters don't really understand how stuff in the wild works or how wildlife management works, yet they want to protect the animals. Sorry I wasn't clear with my response.
My family deer hunted that area for 25 years. We actually rented an old house for deer season from Paul, the guy mentioned in the article, for a few years. We moved on to other areas because the wolves decimated the deer in the there. Like brought it down to 1 -2 deer sightings a season per guy!!

It's all national forest around there so sadly, I'm sure nothing will be done about them.
I will also mention that my BIL and I were harassed for 2 days by a "Ranger" in the national forest while grouse hunting one year. I'd say it was probably 2005 or so. I still remember his name.

He was literally following us around in the woods. Threatened to arrest me for parking on "wild vegetation" when I pulled over to the side of the road.

I did file a complaint with the forest service office in Park Falls, WI. It wasn't the fist complaint against the man, but I had a feeling nothing was going to be done about it.

Originally Posted by tzone
My family deer hunted that area for 25 years. We actually rented an old house for deer season from Paul, the guy mentioned in the article, for a few years. We moved on to other areas because the wolves decimated the deer in the there. Like brought it down to 1 -2 deer sightings a season per guy!!

It's all national forest around there so sadly, I'm sure nothing will be done about them.


That is a coincidence, T, small world that you knew Paul Canik. That guy has more patience then I would having to deal with wolves. His history with them sounds more like it is taking place in Siberia.

Well documented that wolves pull bears out of their dens while hibernating

I grew up in NW WI and used to return ever year to deer hunt the rut but unfortunately the wolves have destroyed deer hunting in N WI

Originally Posted by coyotewacker
Michigan we haven't had a archery anterless deer season for 5 years in the UP "because of bad winters".....deer cannot recover because deer being wolves main food source.....

Even bear numbers are falling....in late February of 2012 while trapping I found where a wolf pack killed and ate a black bear outside its den didn't look like there was much of a fight....when checking furs in at a DNR office I told the biologist about it she said it was very unusual....I think it happens more than they would like to tell....
Who was the wolf lover on here ? constantly told how there were deer everywhere - wolves had no bearing on the deer population ?
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Who was the wolf lover on here ? constantly told how there were deer everywhere - wolves had no bearing on the deer population ?


Pole something. Smoker maybe.
Originally Posted by SandBilly
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Who was the wolf lover on here ? constantly told how there were deer everywhere - wolves had no bearing on the deer population ?


Pole something. Smoker maybe.

I think he might have been a game warden - officer polesmoker maybe .
I talked to a member of our conservation congress a number of years ago about the wolves that were inoculated by a DNR biologist. I believe it was against parvo and the biologist had no authority to do so without approval from the DNR secretary. The wolves then moved all over the state and even areas with low numbers of hunters still cannot see a increase in the deer herd now that wolves are so prominent in those areas. I used to hunt near Land O Lakes and the deer cannot comeback even though there's hardly any hunters compared to years ago.

Fortunately wolves are not common where we hunt now but when they move through the coyotes are gone for awhile and deer in that woods are absent for a good week. We just need to keep bringing Elk in and sooner or later the wolves will be full.

The DNR keeps using Kentucky as the basis for the reintroduction program. Anyone know how many wolves they have in Kentucky?
Originally Posted by roundoak
Originally Posted by tzone
My family deer hunted that area for 25 years. We actually rented an old house for deer season from Paul, the guy mentioned in the article, for a few years. We moved on to other areas because the wolves decimated the deer in the there. Like brought it down to 1 -2 deer sightings a season per guy!!

It's all national forest around there so sadly, I'm sure nothing will be done about them.


That is a coincidence, T, small world that you knew Paul Canik. That guy has more patience then I would having to deal with wolves. His history with them sounds more like it is taking place in Siberia.


Honestly, I don't know him, my in-laws did. We also rented from a guy near him for a few years and they moved away. They were also sheep farmers and had the same issue. For the life of me I can't think of the guys name. It was Amish'ish sounding. I do remember he had a damn sheep dog so big it was able to crawl up on the hood of my toyota tacoma. I gather he did it for the warmth...or he didn't like Japanese trucks. laugh
Originally Posted by SandBilly
Originally Posted by ol_mike
Who was the wolf lover on here ? constantly told how there were deer everywhere - wolves had no bearing on the deer population ?


Pole something. Smoker maybe.


I believe we called him Dee-pole. laugh
Originally Posted by JOG
The death of a 14-year old bull and a 25-year old cow found at the end of winter is pinned on wolves?



Browsing around, the cause of death of the old cow was "old age", the trees around the bull had been hammered by antlers and there were holes made by teeth in the remaining hide on one hock. So they figure wolves. They figured that dead bull had killed at least three other bulls during the rut over the years.
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