Nothing like a church to usurp the "rule of law" when it comes to illegal migration - and then preach about following it!


http://e.startribune.com/Olive/ODN/StarTribune/Default.aspx

Painful.

That's my church. They didn't ask me.

Your link shows nothing pertaining to your post.

What is the ELCA?

Never mind I found it. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.

This may help clarify the OP’s vague post.
https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/elca-americas-first-sanctuary-church-body

PLEDGE TO HELP IMMIGRANTS Close to 3.5 million Christians, represented by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), have voted to become America’s first “sanctuary church body.” The vote took place last Wednesday and pledges more than just giving shelter to undocumented immigrants.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America will: Answer to deportations, raids, as well as the criminalization of refugees and immigrants Battle cases of deportation on an individual basis, lift up immigrants’ voices and push for the end of detentions on a massive level Take action to extend hospitality to communities of immigrants as well as individual immigrants. The ELCA calls the measure a memorial and has said some of the organizations and churches under the ELCA belt are already seeing these actions are carried out. A committee has been set up by the church to conduct a study on what a sanctuary church body means. They plan to report their findings in 2022. There are more than 9,000 congregations managed by the ELCA. This has prompted the ELCA to come up with resources and guidelines in order for these congregations to explore and develop sanctuary ministries.

That should be the church you used to go to.

That's an easy fix , revoke their tax exempt status.


Mike

They wanna play politics, we need to revoke their tax-free church status.

It's really just that simple.

Why would a church want to be a sanctuary for some of the most dangerous foreigners, treacherous crooks, pedophiles and murderers? Why don't they help Americans?

Bing-phuqqing-o

All of them for that matter.....

They’re the Lutheran branch of the mainline and mainline is pinko these days. UMC, Episcopal, PCUSA, ELCA, RCA are all losing members cuz Gospel of Jesus Christ is not just ignored but downplayed and garbage like this “social gospel” of diversity inclusion & equity being crammed down everyone’s throats.

Let them be taxed like every other entity, not a single one should be exempt. Have a look at the real estate owned by some of these religions colleges.

If church wasn’t a business, there wouldn’t be a college degree available on how to manage one.

I’m not in favor of allowing government to blackmail or dictate church policy on anything, even when they’re misguided like this. If you open that can of worms then the next time a dem gets in office they’ll do the same to churches that preach against abortion or refuse to perform gay “weddings”.

I don’t want government controlling anything a church teaches.

Our former church in Scottsdale, AZ was ELCA and, at the same time, very Scriptural and quite excellent with regard to fundamental Christian values - and this excellence does occur in some Lutheran churches in the ELCA, Not at all the case with some others in ELCA. The ELCA has become an amorphous entity enabling all sorts of odd and ludicrous pretenders of Lutheranism - from the excellent to the ridiculous. As a supposedly "evangelical" Christian organization, the ELCA should be ashamed of its weak and misguiding fiber. The value is in the local congregation - not the national organization.

I completely agree with everything here with a qualifier on the second sentence.

You’re absolutely right that local congregations matter BUT a local congregation demonstrates its allegiance to Scripture by abandoning an unfaithful denomination.

^^^^ This!!

That's what happens when any jackass that comes along can found a "church".

Exactly. That's what I was going to say.

This might be shocking to you, but Jesus wasn't an American, and God doesn't recognize the US Border.

Jesus was also NOT a Ragheaded Muslim like you,

and its not God's job to recognize the US border... its up to the American People to Recognize the US border and to protect it and to protect themselves from people crossing it, at America's detriment....

how about the US just walking into any country in the Middle East, or even better.. walk into every nation in the Middle East and take what the hell we want to take from it, and change their laws to fit our needs....with the excuse... God Doesn't Recognize ANY Borders....

will that work for ya GooseSchitt?

Does your husband know you are up?

3.5 million members voted for this? No one even told our members it was being considered.

I suspect the 3.5 million will become a smaller number.

Jesus also didn't take part in civil matters. That which is Caesar's... A Christian church can certainly minister to illegals without violating the law.

The ELCA jus doan want to be called Racist...

HE didn't espouse gayness either, you damn pole smoking, root gobbler...

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-tornado-the-lutherans-and-homosexuality

Tornado hit ELCA just when they voted to affirm sodomite deviants

Not shocking in the least - it is reality to all of the sane and sensible folks, and has no application to the topic at hand. As usual, your approach and method is perverted and - if sincere - you are seriously delusional. Get a good mirror - take a long look at yourself.

CCCC;
Good evening to you sir, I trust that the weekend was a good one for you and this finds you and yours well.

While I make it a habit not to become embroiled in too many religious/political threads here - especially being a Canuck where the rules are different in so many ways - I will just briefly offer a couple observations.

For 33 years we were members of a local church, for part of that I was a member of the Elder's Board which assist in running both the spiritual and business directions of the congregation.

While we did have a central board and denominational code of conduct, for the most part as long as we adhered to Biblical principals we were able to conduct ourselves accordingly.

Based on this then, I can say that we absolutely were able to give positive, meaningful assistance to less fortunate folks, including immigrants, though that's much less of a thing in our community than in some others.

As far as I'm aware, we were always able to do that and stay within the bounds of both BC provincial law and of course Canadian law as well.

We took great pains actually to stay away from what we considered political issues, as we felt that wasn't the calling of our church to do so.

Anyway, all that to say in my not so limited experience, churches can have a positive effect on the surrounding community and stay within the bounds of the law and remain politically neutral.

Thanks for reading and all the best to you all as we head into the fall.

Dwayne

The ELCA has been a long time in my rear view mirror. Nearly all my pastors in the LCMS have been fellow hunters and shooters.

Good morning Dwayne. I'm positively impressed - 30 some years serving in the same congregation !! Career moves were such that our family could never have done that - but we did succeed a few years at a time in some wonderful churches - of varying denominations. In every case, our church invested heavily in outreach service in the local communities, which would have been a major factor in why we chose to worship with that body. The overarching "denomination" authority had little or nothing to do with such efforts and, in most cases, they would have been unsatisfied because our work was not politically centered - and did not follow their ideas about the "social gospel" (what a ruse !) Our efforts were focused upon helping families in need of financial and health assistance - and schooling - so that they could become more self-sufficient and gain pride in their abilities to take care of themselves. At the same time, it was our mission to help them understand the Gospel of Christ and the abundance of security and riches to be gained there. It has not been exactly the same with all denominational hierarchies, but every one of those placed far too much emphasis on conformity to some political and social constructs which had little or nothing to do with our mission in the Gospel. Over the past 70 years, I have witnessed such degradation steadily grow in many denominations. My comments regarding the noted position taken by the ELCA is based in such experiences. All the best to you, Dwayne.

Grew up Lutheran LCMS. Conservative and liturgical. Many visitors were put off by not having a band in front of the altar, and having Holy Communion for just LCMS members.

Matthew 18:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

https://elca.org/News-and-Events/8000

ELCA is more worried about being PC and being mainstream than the Word of God. What's next?

The issue with regard to the ELCA here is that by going against the civil authorities they’re violating the teachings of Scripture and their confessions.

Wheres all the "separation of church and state folks" .Recind the tax exempt status!

I hope the ELCA has a very large checking account to pad the entitlement spending they are forcing on Americans.