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Comet....not just for vomit



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Your Pathfinder needs some body work
Irish Spring

Two deoderants and a fresh scent. lol


Very impressed with this.



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Da fugg is this?
Comet on the ground, and deoderant on the tree. What the F*** are you doing?
Old reliable

Dollar General moth balls

Makes ford Pintos and deer haul ass



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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Da fugg is this?

Epic deer repellent thread last night.

Got Mr Cornjeans baiting my fenceline





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It appears to be presents for trespassers. Looks like it should be effective enough.....
Was wondering if mothballs were going to make an appearance. They are SOP for such things around here.
Quick recap for the day crowd

Found a corn pile on my fenceline. A few yards inside the line, pic was taken at my fence.

Tn is a no bait state, bow opens Saturday. Any feed (all traces) must be removed 10 days prior to beginning of hunt.

This guy is hoping to pull deer out of a thicket of several acres.

By regs, his bait pile: even if he doesn't bow hunt it, it bars me from hunting with 250 yards of it on my side.

So fugg him

If I can't hunt it, he won't have an easy time either
Did you pose for a trail cam picture? The one just to the right of that corn pile.
I smell like I'm 76 years old
Originally Posted by Morewood
Did you pose for a trail cam picture? The one just to the right of that corn pile.



No that'd be trespassing. I'm an honorable gentleman
Why not just call the possum cops?

Could have saved money on all that crap.
But my pappy taught me how to " hunt" over cornpiles on uncle jojo,s 7 acres.
And his pappy,s pappy taught him.
Its a family/tn tradition.
Typical Tn corn pile shoot house [bleep],s

Fired 20 7.62x39 rds at trees and the ground nearby deer thruout thr morning also giving em a free education.
Scaring the schit outta em when tree bark and dust clouds are getting kicked up around em 5 or 10 ft away.


LOL!!


Just wait till our sight in/ confirm session for ml and rifle on saturday morning.

Lmfao!!!
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
Why not just call the possum cops?

Could have saved money on all that crap.


$3 aint a big deal

Fish cops won't bother

Call them before, this happened 5 yrs ago 1/2 mile away on the other boundary different scumbilly. The warden came out- investigated the guy. That particular guy said he wasn't hunting till centerfire session so he was 'entitled' to feed the deer for another 5 weeks

Game warden reported back to me, said...don't hunt within 250 yards of that guy's feeder or I'll cite you for hunting over bait.


Ain't calling the Piggies anymore b
Originally Posted by Hawk_Driver
Why not just call the possum cops?

Could have saved money on all that crap.

Wardens in this state are a joke.....
If it aint on a road or on a boat and easy , they aint doing schit.

Been hunting in tn since 1992.
Called em many times for many things.
They dont do schit......
Hell,,,,, one of our wardens back in the day was charged for baiting ducks in arkansas......


This is the kind of quality content that keeps me coming back!
We hunted a dove field last month with the warden on site. Heard 5 shot volley several times.

Asked the warden as he walked the field if he was checking plugs, he says "awwe I checked purty much errbody last year at this thing, i know many of the familiar faces, they all good"
Originally Posted by renegade50
But my pappy taught me how to " hunt" over cornpiles on uncle jojo,s 7 acres.
And his pappy,s pappy taught him.
Its a family/tn tradition.
Typical Tn corn pile shoot house [bleep],s

Fired 20 7.62x39 rds at trees and the ground nearby deer thruout thr morning also giving em a free education.
Scaring the schit outta em when tree bark and dust clouds are getting kicked up around em 5 or 10 ft away.


LOL!!


Just wait till our sight in/ confirm session for ml and rifle on saturday morning.

Lmfao!!!

gonna sight in on that trail cam?
Originally Posted by slumlord
Irish Spring

Two deoderants and a fresh scent. lol


Very impressed with this.



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Manly, Yes!!!!

But I like it too!!!
I doubt they'll learn anything by that. He'll just wander around wondering where the deer went. If nothing else, he'll be kept busy sitting there all season, waiting for deer that have sloped off for somewhere else.

Maybe the minty fresh odor will alert him, but if he needs to put out "deer corn", I doubt he'll notice it.
Originally Posted by slumlord
We hunted a dove field last month with the warden on site. Heard 5 shot volley several times.

Asked the warden as he walked the field if he was checking plugs, he says "awwe I checked purty much errbody last year at this thing, i know many of the familiar faces, they all good"


One of dozens of things that pos warden good ole boy let slide ovet 2 days.
I posted up the email and pics on here i sent in to his supervisors about 2 weeks ago.


Tn wardens are a joke.......
75 to 90% of the " hunters " in this state are a joke.
Corn baiting shoot house fugga,s
And everyone knows it and knows fugga,s doing it.

Al gore inconvienant truth schit.
Except this schitt is truth year in and year out.
You know you want a Buddy Heater
Originally Posted by deerstalker
Originally Posted by renegade50
But my pappy taught me how to " hunt" over cornpiles on uncle jojo,s 7 acres.
And his pappy,s pappy taught him.
Its a family/tn tradition.
Typical Tn corn pile shoot house [bleep],s

Fired 20 7.62x39 rds at trees and the ground nearby deer thruout thr morning also giving em a free education.
Scaring the schit outta em when tree bark and dust clouds are getting kicked up around em 5 or 10 ft away.


LOL!!


Just wait till our sight in/ confirm session for ml and rifle on saturday morning.

Lmfao!!!

gonna sight in on that trail cam?

That would be illegal shooting across a property line and destroying property.

Why would i do that and possibly put myself in a bind legally or put slumlord in a bind with his scumbille neighbors that condone schitt.
Originally Posted by slumlord
[quote=Hawk_Driver]Why not just call the possum cops?


Game warden reported back to me, said...don't hunt within 250 yards of that guy's feeder or I'll cite you for hunting over bait.


Ain't calling the Piggies anymore b



that doesn't fly in Ga, this happens all the time, especially during turkey season and even duck season. The person with the feeder is the one that gets the talkin to.

My dad used to put bars of irish spring in nooks of trees, takes a while for a bar of soap to disappear.

My neighbor put a feeder about 50 yards over the line before turkey season, I removed it. Got a text from him a few weeks ago to check my stuff...that his feeder was stolen. I told him I had it. Straight told on his self. He is a chief of police too, caught him climbing up one of my stands several years back and his son shooting deer on my property.
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by slumlord
Irish Spring

Two deoderants and a fresh scent. lol


Very impressed with this.



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Manly, Yes!!!!

But I like it too!!!

Place smells like wayne newton show in vegas i bet.
Never been to vegas or seen wayne.
But i can imagine it is similar....
Originally Posted by ratsmacker
I doubt they'll learn anything by that. He'll just wander around wondering where the deer went. If nothing else, he'll be kept busy sitting there all season, waiting for deer that have sloped off for somewhere else.

Maybe the minty fresh odor will alert him, but if he needs to put out "deer corn", I doubt he'll notice it.

He's only got about 2-1/2 acres to hunt behind his 90 yr old grandma's house.

Of course her 'backyard' is our 253 acres
Can you be there with a camera before first light Sat and hid in camo to see if he comes in to hunt it?
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Originally Posted by slumlord
Irish Spring

Two deoderants and a fresh scent. lol


Very impressed with this.



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Manly, Yes!!!!

But I like it too!!!

Place smells like wayne newton show in vegas i bet.
Never been to vegas or seen wayne.
But i can imagine it is similar....


Hey!!! Don’t forget the Gold Bond and Icy Hot for the win!!!!
Guy I knew in upstate New York with a similar situation would just go and take dumps on his neighbor's property line starting a couple weeks before deer season.

AFAIK they didn't smell like Irish Spring... wink
Pour a little Diesel fuel on the corn pile. Wait until it rains so you don't set the woods on fire and add a 5-minute fusee to it. "What bait pile, officer?"
Originally Posted by killerv
Originally Posted by slumlord
[quote=Hawk_Driver]Why not just call the possum cops?


Game warden reported back to me, said...don't hunt within 250 yards of that guy's feeder or I'll cite you for hunting over bait.


Ain't calling the Piggies anymore b



that doesn't fly in Ga, this happens all the time, especially during turkey season and even duck season. The person with the feeder is the one that gets the talkin to.

My dad used to put bars of irish spring in nooks of trees, takes a while for a bar of soap to disappear.

My neighbor put a feeder about 50 yards over the line before turkey season, I removed it. Got a text from him a few weeks ago to check my stuff...that his feeder was stolen. I told him I had it. Straight told on his self. He is a chief of police too, caught him climbing up one of my stands several years back and his son shooting deer on my property.


I have a Methodist preacher and his 30 yr old son doing that to me on my other smaller family farm of 60 acres

Guy put up an elaborate box tower, trimmed trees about 300 ft down into my property. I talked to his old man and we went for a walk and chat. I showed him his iron pins. Said he thought his line went to the bottom of the bluff, yet another 200 more ft.

The stand was moved

Moved to within 5 ft of the line.

Same type deal, guy has three acres, trying scheme off of me.
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Pour a little Diesel fuel on the corn pile. Wait until it rains so you don't set the woods on fire and add a 5-minute fusee to it. "What bait pile, officer?"


Corn pile is on his side. I won't step foot on his property.
Gold Bond


Laughing


Aint wasting GB, already got a case of the red ass about all this business
Here is the email i sent in dealing with my last interaction with a tn
" game warden" sept 1st and 2nd of this year.


Fugging buncha bullschitt as follows;





Never be kowtowed by public employee fuggs.
Address their shortcomings right then and their with em.
If they persist and show in every encounter they DGAF
Then bring it higher....

Below is something I addressed this week.
Gave dude every fugging chance to do his job.
Spoke to him factually 
He just didnt give a fugg.
He also didnt know who he was talking too and just thought I was some average schmuck....
The email i sent below:





Per ph conversation w/ "d" here is the email below i said i would send to you:



Listed below in chronological order

Best that I can compose.

Sept 1st hunt.

1. 1st interaction with Caleb the warden.

Came up by my position about 130 pm.

2 other hunters speaking with me also.

Caleb asked how it was going 

I said fine except everyone driving atv,s and walking across middle of feild during shooting hours flaring away birds and risking being shot coming up out terrian masking while people are actively shooting

Spoke with him about people shooting across southern boundary of feild into another field. ( the house on southern boundary with horse,s and home getting hit with bird shot)

He said they asked for permission to look for downed birds.

I then asked did they ask for permission to shoot at birds 30 to 40 yards over their property 1st.

His reply well it's legal and cant be helped.

I said to him I dont beleive that and you are making excuses to me for stuff you should been observing and taking care and adressing.

I then asked him why I observed a biologists tell them people after an hour not to shoot south anymore and wasnt enforcement and correction his job and not the biologist job

Said he was busy.......

His reply to everything I addressed in a calm rational discussion was.....

If you dont like how things are on this field you can find other places to hunt if you like with a pleasant smirk .....


I just thought to myself at that point.

Whatever dude you ain't got no spine....


For a warden to say something like to a person addressing basic issues he should be doing per his job is unacceptable and shows he has a lack of spine to do his job at even the most basic level.


He did not check my license , migratory bird permit or shotgun plug . Or the 2 others standing their listening to the disscussion.

Everything I addressed to him were basic level common sense safety issues or law issues at that time.

The 2 other hunters were amazed at his I dont care attitude during my and his 15 to 20 minute talk when he left.

He said he had to go check a 150 dollar a head pay hunt. He emphasized this point several times like some proclamation directed at me after his comment about me being" unhappy" supposedly in his mind about finding some other place to hunt.

When actually it was that he was resentful of me pointing out his shortcomings of him turning a blind eye to doing his job.


2. He then went on to stop at 4 other adjacent spots ( all of us had talked fans and feilds of fire for safety prior to the hunt.)

A total of 8 people did not have any requirements checked by him at all.


3. Numerous people on the feild had no plug in their guns.

It is easy to distinguish a gun without one

Their is no hiding the sound from one single gun even in multiple guns shooting 

It is even easier when a gun without a plug is firing by itself.

I heard numerous people (myself included) yelling at a father and son party doing this in the southern bowl area on the east boundary directly across from the willow tree clump thruout the day.

I fail to beleive a warden did not hear the shots or the people yelling to that duo to shoot only 3 shots and plugs their mag tubes.


4.same father and son duo were shooting birds across the feild on eastern boundary into another property 30 to 40 yards into it

From a 100 yd tree line break clearly visible to the warden tent

People ( myself included) were once again yelling at these 2 that what they was doing was illegal. Fail to belive once again the warden neither heard or seen any of this going on.

A guns report has a total different sound being fired 180° opposite out of a range fan.

Let alone seeing it going on in plain sight.


5. I gave warden "g" a good snapshot of caleb,s complacency when I left that day.

I dont think warden" g" was too impressed with what i said about caleb not even doing the basics of his job.


Sept2 hunt

1. From my position about 300 yards away

I observed caleb post 4 signs about 30 yards off the southern fence line around 1130.

Then approximately at 1230 after the noon start time. A gator with 2 hunters parked 10 feet off the southern fence line, they had even stopped and read one of the signs.



2. 2 hunters came by me 

Talking w/ them 

Similar points they had 

About people being in line of fire in range fans and on bad terrian in middle of field.


They also mentioned what caleb said to them per license and plug checks.

Cause they offered the paperwork and shotguns for inspection to them.


Caleb's response to them,

We checked all that stuff on people last year at a field and caught no one in violation so we wont bother with it this year.

Did they make that up.

I doubt they did.

They had brought up many things they observed the 1st day along the lines of my observations also . Only they was on the northern boundary of the field.


3.at approx 130 caleb drove past 20 yards from the 2 hunters with the gator 10ft away from the southern fence in plain visible veiw. Who had been actively shooting birds

what was written on the signs was unknown to me up till that time.

Started speaking with caleb 

Told him I was a little sorry, but not much for addressing issues with him yesterday but I told him they was all legit issues and many others on the field also were concerned about the same issues.

Plugs, people in range fans, shooting birds off the feild on other properties ect ect ect.

He said that's allright I dont take stuff personal, it is just the job.

I then asked him what did those signs say you posted 


He said the ladies house was getting hit with birdshot all day yesterday .

So the signs say no hunting within 100yards of the fence.


I thought this is fugging unbeilvable...


I said to him 

I dont belive you just posted a standard/ notification in person .

Its almost 2 hours into the hunt and those guys have been shooting 10 ft away from that fence and everyone including myself just watched you drive 20 yards past them in plain veiw and you did absouloutly nothing.


His reply was a vague 


It really dont matter

 

Then quickly left and drove out the north entrance road.

Another person was in the truck with him and heard me say what I had to say.


He returned one time around 4 pm but never made rounds on the feild and left around 430


I left the field around 630pm

Took attached pictures

You can plainly see the gator hunters 10 ft off the fence with sign on my right side towards the southern fence and also can see one of the signs.





I have hunted these leased feilds in Robertson county for 7 or 8 yrs.

They are excellent fields to hunt.

Many appreciate them.

Many observe the same things but will not speak their minds outta meakness.


We all know that is true in this day and age.


I have never seen or encountered stuff I have described like this until this year.

And it all falls on the warden.

Hearing that it all got away from us and we are shorthanded is not an excuse.

When " the it got away from us excuse" was not established as a baseline in the 1st place.

A friend of mine called up warden "g" with similar issues he had also.


Tactfully here are my suggestions.


Jerk a knot in Caleb's azz, inform him his job is being the standard bearer for his county for twra.

Tell him he can get along with his residents in his county and get over a possible fear of reprisal for enforcement of game laws.

Just enforce the standards and laws and use common sense.

Also tell him he needs to very careful with his off the cuff flippant remarks to people.

He dont know who the hell he is talking too

And just lumps everyone into they think I'm cool if I dont uphold the laws with them as I see fit.


Running into sheep dogs/wolves versus your average everyday sheep are 2 different things and schitt will bite ya in the ass if you dont hold the same standard for all across the board all the time.


He might be seen as the good ole boy warden by now and it might be too late for him to establish a better enforcement presence in robertson county.

A transfer to another county might rehab him into a better warden with a fresh start with some mentoring under a warden that is known for being firm but fair .


All any of us ask to encounter in a warden

Is firm but fair and equal across the board.

You cant pick and choose what you want to do and not do in a enforcement type job


People will pick up on a double standard or lack of a standard and will exploit it.


I spent 24 yrs in the army infantry.

I know what leadership looks like.

Caleb is trying to be the cool laid back guy.

Get along with everyone

Let schitt slide


Honestly if caleb was under me

I would look at his total performance.

And look at this behavior I seen from him.

And either do a relief for cause from duty position on him to something not in the public eye or transfer for a 2nd chance to establish in him a better law enforcement proactive mode.

And let him prove he can be a warden that upholds standards of this states game laws

He is the face of twra in robertson county 

Good or bad or complacency wise let him prove what he is.

A standard overlooked becomes the standard.

I think caleb in my opinon has done this and it has become 2nd nature too him to let schitt slide to be seen as " cool"


It can be corrected with a mentor like i mentioned .


Not a punishment but development.


Handle this in house guys with caleb.

It dont need to go higher

And the young man doesn't need to lose his job or take a pay cut

It's in your hands, not mine.


I know I would rehab transfer him under a warden with a solid reputation who has a retirement date. Tell caleb it ain't punishment but we want you to be an alpha warden and not a beta warden.



Suggestions for your leased dovefields

Easy to edit in and establish on the website instructions on each county field.

Or as a red letter all encompassing msg on the dove website 


1.occupation of shooting positions on all leased feilds will be within 25 yards of outer boundaries

2. No foot traffic or atv traffic is allowed across fields at any time prior to or during a hunt.

3. foot traffic is only allowed into a field to retrieve a downed bird in the most direct visible manner.




These 3 simple rules ( which also need to be posted at field entrance) 

Will establish you fields of fire and impact zone.

And help keep morons from getting shot who think they can just go sit in front of 6 hunters 75 yards out in their fields of fire.

Cause their ain't no rule that says they cant.



Another suggestion to solve your manning problems on fields and enforcement problems.


Charge a 2 dollar entry fee.

Kids, handicap, elderly free


Get 1 or 2 wildlife management students or local hunter safety types or local policewith a basic level of firearms compentency.

Have a safe inspection area at entrance 

Have them check for plugs and paper work

Ain't got correct paper work

You go get online buy it right now or go home.

Ain't got a plug

Have some 1/4th wood dowels on hand 

Have dumb dumb cut it to proper lenght and dumb dumb can put it in his mag tube if needed 


Pay the wildlife management student or whoever from the 2 dollar entry fees


Warden handles violations only in tactful manner from the checkers if needed




The 3 simple rules will take care of most of the conflicts on fields .

One day you guys will have ugly incident on a field . Just a matter of time for something to happen



Handle caleb in house guys.

Dont need ta be blown up.

Let him establish a proper reputation in another county.

Honestly the guys in robertson probably see him as a pushover by now.


That is not how a warden is supposed to be seen.

Firm fair and equal with the law is what we as hunters expect always

Not adjusting on the fly to be seen as cool and nonconfrontational.

Dont need a call or a follow up.

It's in your lane, handle it in house.

Other people dont need to know caleb needs to develop into a alpha and break this beta role he has made in robertson for himself

Caleb got transferred to another county for medical or family regions.

Caleb got put under a retiring warden as a replacement.

Simple as that.


Sincerely


 







Originally Posted by slumlord


I have a Methodist preacher and his 30 yr old son doing that to me on my other smaller family farm of 60 acres

Guy put up an elaborate box tower, trimmed trees about 300 ft down into my property. I talked to his old man and we went for a walk and chat. I showed him his iron pins. Said he thought his line went to the bottom of the bluff, yet another 200 more ft.

The stand was moved

Moved to within 5 ft of the line.

Same type deal, guy has three acres, trying scheme off of me.




I've seen a guy put a box stand just on the other side of the property line, looking down a long pipeline onto another man's place. On opening morning, the hunter found a big blue tarp strung between the trees, just over on the other guys' place, yards from the box stand. Two can apparently play at that game.
Got me LMAO

now I'm looking around the house at all the possibilities


Victoria Secret stress relief eucalyptus lotion. Bitches at work give that stuff to each other. The wife has that chit stockpiled like Diary of Anne Frank hiding out.


Bet that would be stinky in the woods
Originally Posted by slumlord
Irish Spring

Two deoderants and a fresh scent. lol


Very impressed with this.



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I knew I liked your style!

Ever thought about hanging some wind-chimes?
Eat a bunch of asparagus and go wizz all around there.
There goes a good 5 minutes....
Originally Posted by renegade50
Here is the email i sent in dealing with my last interaction with a tn
" game warden" sept 1st and 2nd of this year.


Fugging buncha bullschitt as follows;





Never be kowtowed by public employee fuggs.
Address their shortcomings right then and their with em.
If they persist and show in every encounter they DGAF
Then bring it higher....

Below is something I addressed this week.
Gave dude every fugging chance to do his job.
Spoke to him factually 
He just didnt give a fugg.
He also didnt know who he was talking too and just thought I was some average schmuck....
The email i sent below:





Per ph conversation w/ "d" here is the email below i said i would send to you:



Listed below in chronological order

Best that I can compose.

Sept 1st hunt.

1. 1st interaction with Caleb the warden.

Came up by my position about 130 pm.

2 other hunters speaking with me also.

Caleb asked how it was going 

I said fine except everyone driving atv,s and walking across middle of feild during shooting hours flaring away birds and risking being shot coming up out terrian masking while people are actively shooting

Spoke with him about people shooting across southern boundary of feild into another field. ( the house on southern boundary with horse,s and home getting hit with bird shot)

He said they asked for permission to look for downed birds.

I then asked did they ask for permission to shoot at birds 30 to 40 yards over their property 1st.

His reply well it's legal and cant be helped.

I said to him I dont beleive that and you are making excuses to me for stuff you should been observing and taking care and adressing.

I then asked him why I observed a biologists tell them people after an hour not to shoot south anymore and wasnt enforcement and correction his job and not the biologist job

Said he was busy.......

His reply to everything I addressed in a calm rational discussion was.....

If you dont like how things are on this field you can find other places to hunt if you like with a pleasant smirk .....


I just thought to myself at that point.

Whatever dude you ain't got no spine....


For a warden to say something like to a person addressing basic issues he should be doing per his job is unacceptable and shows he has a lack of spine to do his job at even the most basic level.


He did not check my license , migratory bird permit or shotgun plug . Or the 2 others standing their listening to the disscussion.

Everything I addressed to him were basic level common sense safety issues or law issues at that time.

The 2 other hunters were amazed at his I dont care attitude during my and his 15 to 20 minute talk when he left.

He said he had to go check a 150 dollar a head pay hunt. He emphasized this point several times like some proclamation directed at me after his comment about me being" unhappy" supposedly in his mind about finding some other place to hunt.

When actually it was that he was resentful of me pointing out his shortcomings of him turning a blind eye to doing his job.


2. He then went on to stop at 4 other adjacent spots ( all of us had talked fans and feilds of fire for safety prior to the hunt.)

A total of 8 people did not have any requirements checked by him at all.


3. Numerous people on the feild had no plug in their guns.

It is easy to distinguish a gun without one

Their is no hiding the sound from one single gun even in multiple guns shooting 

It is even easier when a gun without a plug is firing by itself.

I heard numerous people (myself included) yelling at a father and son party doing this in the southern bowl area on the east boundary directly across from the willow tree clump thruout the day.

I fail to beleive a warden did not hear the shots or the people yelling to that duo to shoot only 3 shots and plugs their mag tubes.


4.same father and son duo were shooting birds across the feild on eastern boundary into another property 30 to 40 yards into it

From a 100 yd tree line break clearly visible to the warden tent

People ( myself included) were once again yelling at these 2 that what they was doing was illegal. Fail to belive once again the warden neither heard or seen any of this going on.

A guns report has a total different sound being fired 180° opposite out of a range fan.

Let alone seeing it going on in plain sight.


5. I gave warden "g" a good snapshot of caleb,s complacency when I left that day.

I dont think warden" g" was too impressed with what i said about caleb not even doing the basics of his job.


Sept2 hunt

1. From my position about 300 yards away

I observed caleb post 4 signs about 30 yards off the southern fence line around 1130.

Then approximately at 1230 after the noon start time. A gator with 2 hunters parked 10 feet off the southern fence line, they had even stopped and read one of the signs.



2. 2 hunters came by me 

Talking w/ them 

Similar points they had 

About people being in line of fire in range fans and on bad terrian in middle of field.


They also mentioned what caleb said to them per license and plug checks.

Cause they offered the paperwork and shotguns for inspection to them.


Caleb's response to them,

We checked all that stuff on people last year at a field and caught no one in violation so we wont bother with it this year.

Did they make that up.

I doubt they did.

They had brought up many things they observed the 1st day along the lines of my observations also . Only they was on the northern boundary of the field.


3.at approx 130 caleb drove past 20 yards from the 2 hunters with the gator 10ft away from the southern fence in plain visible veiw. Who had been actively shooting birds

what was written on the signs was unknown to me up till that time.

Started speaking with caleb 

Told him I was a little sorry, but not much for addressing issues with him yesterday but I told him they was all legit issues and many others on the field also were concerned about the same issues.

Plugs, people in range fans, shooting birds off the feild on other properties ect ect ect.

He said that's allright I dont take stuff personal, it is just the job.

I then asked him what did those signs say you posted 


He said the ladies house was getting hit with birdshot all day yesterday .

So the signs say no hunting within 100yards of the fence.


I thought this is fugging unbeilvable...


I said to him 

I dont belive you just posted a standard/ notification in person .

Its almost 2 hours into the hunt and those guys have been shooting 10 ft away from that fence and everyone including myself just watched you drive 20 yards past them in plain veiw and you did absouloutly nothing.


His reply was a vague 


It really dont matter

 

Then quickly left and drove out the north entrance road.

Another person was in the truck with him and heard me say what I had to say.


He returned one time around 4 pm but never made rounds on the feild and left around 430


I left the field around 630pm

Took attached pictures

You can plainly see the gator hunters 10 ft off the fence with sign on my right side towards the southern fence and also can see one of the signs.





I have hunted these leased feilds in Robertson county for 7 or 8 yrs.

They are excellent fields to hunt.

Many appreciate them.

Many observe the same things but will not speak their minds outta meakness.


We all know that is true in this day and age.


I have never seen or encountered stuff I have described like this until this year.

And it all falls on the warden.

Hearing that it all got away from us and we are shorthanded is not an excuse.

When " the it got away from us excuse" was not established as a baseline in the 1st place.

A friend of mine called up warden "g" with similar issues he had also.


Tactfully here are my suggestions.


Jerk a knot in Caleb's azz, inform him his job is being the standard bearer for his county for twra.

Tell him he can get along with his residents in his county and get over a possible fear of reprisal for enforcement of game laws.

Just enforce the standards and laws and use common sense.

Also tell him he needs to very careful with his off the cuff flippant remarks to people.

He dont know who the hell he is talking too

And just lumps everyone into they think I'm cool if I dont uphold the laws with them as I see fit.


Running into sheep dogs/wolves versus your average everyday sheep are 2 different things and schitt will bite ya in the ass if you dont hold the same standard for all across the board all the time.


He might be seen as the good ole boy warden by now and it might be too late for him to establish a better enforcement presence in robertson county.

A transfer to another county might rehab him into a better warden with a fresh start with some mentoring under a warden that is known for being firm but fair .


All any of us ask to encounter in a warden

Is firm but fair and equal across the board.

You cant pick and choose what you want to do and not do in a enforcement type job


People will pick up on a double standard or lack of a standard and will exploit it.


I spent 24 yrs in the army infantry.

I know what leadership looks like.

Caleb is trying to be the cool laid back guy.

Get along with everyone

Let schitt slide


Honestly if caleb was under me

I would look at his total performance.

And look at this behavior I seen from him.

And either do a relief for cause from duty position on him to something not in the public eye or transfer for a 2nd chance to establish in him a better law enforcement proactive mode.

And let him prove he can be a warden that upholds standards of this states game laws

He is the face of twra in robertson county 

Good or bad or complacency wise let him prove what he is.

A standard overlooked becomes the standard.

I think caleb in my opinon has done this and it has become 2nd nature too him to let schitt slide to be seen as " cool"


It can be corrected with a mentor like i mentioned .


Not a punishment but development.


Handle this in house guys with caleb.

It dont need to go higher

And the young man doesn't need to lose his job or take a pay cut

It's in your hands, not mine.


I know I would rehab transfer him under a warden with a solid reputation who has a retirement date. Tell caleb it ain't punishment but we want you to be an alpha warden and not a beta warden.



Suggestions for your leased dovefields

Easy to edit in and establish on the website instructions on each county field.

Or as a red letter all encompassing msg on the dove website 


1.occupation of shooting positions on all leased feilds will be within 25 yards of outer boundaries

2. No foot traffic or atv traffic is allowed across fields at any time prior to or during a hunt.

3. foot traffic is only allowed into a field to retrieve a downed bird in the most direct visible manner.




These 3 simple rules ( which also need to be posted at field entrance) 

Will establish you fields of fire and impact zone.

And help keep morons from getting shot who think they can just go sit in front of 6 hunters 75 yards out in their fields of fire.

Cause their ain't no rule that says they cant.



Another suggestion to solve your manning problems on fields and enforcement problems.


Charge a 2 dollar entry fee.

Kids, handicap, elderly free


Get 1 or 2 wildlife management students or local hunter safety types or local policewith a basic level of firearms compentency.

Have a safe inspection area at entrance 

Have them check for plugs and paper work

Ain't got correct paper work

You go get online buy it right now or go home.

Ain't got a plug

Have some 1/4th wood dowels on hand 

Have dumb dumb cut it to proper lenght and dumb dumb can put it in his mag tube if needed 


Pay the wildlife management student or whoever from the 2 dollar entry fees


Warden handles violations only in tactful manner from the checkers if needed




The 3 simple rules will take care of most of the conflicts on fields .

One day you guys will have ugly incident on a field . Just a matter of time for something to happen



Handle caleb in house guys.

Dont need ta be blown up.

Let him establish a proper reputation in another county.

Honestly the guys in robertson probably see him as a pushover by now.


That is not how a warden is supposed to be seen.

Firm fair and equal with the law is what we as hunters expect always

Not adjusting on the fly to be seen as cool and nonconfrontational.

Dont need a call or a follow up.

It's in your lane, handle it in house.

Other people dont need to know caleb needs to develop into a alpha and break this beta role he has made in robertson for himself

Caleb got transferred to another county for medical or family regions.

Caleb got put under a retiring warden as a replacement.

Simple as that.


Sincerely


 









Youre my bud and all...

You need some help

😂😂😂😂
Why not just go talk to the neighbor and explain the dilemma he is creating for you?
Originally Posted by mathman
Eat a bunch of asparagus and go wizz all around there.


Lol

I had a kidney transplant, my whizz smells like asparagus juice 24/7 without the asparagus

😄👍
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Da fugg is this?

He's baitin
Originally Posted by Theeck
Why not just go talk to the neighbor and explain the dilemma he is creating for you?


What...and ruin all this fun???

They already apparently think I shot one of their dogs. Which, I have no idea where that came from.
They l've asked me 1/2 dozen times over the last few months.

I love dogs.
Got word a couple of days ago that GW's had been pulling records of sales of deer blocks and corn/sweet feed at Tractor Supply. Seems they are only interested in one persons purchases there.
Eucalyptus lotion???!!! I can see it now! “Koalas escape from local enclosure! Found humping in local hickory trees!”
Wildfowl gave me an idea. Sneak in before daylight and drop a transistor radio turned way down low. I guarantee the deer can hear it.

I tried sitting up a pine in the late season NM archery years ago and had one with ear buds I could barely hear and the deer would get no closer than 80 yds in the snow.

If you leave it there long enough though, they will get curious and come in to check it out.
Originally Posted by Raeford
Got word a couple of days ago that GW's had been pulling records of sales of deer blocks and corn/sweet feed at Tractor Supply. Seems they are only interested in one persons purchases there.


You been braggin too much 😄
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Raeford
Got word a couple of days ago that GW's had been pulling records of sales of deer blocks and corn/sweet feed at Tractor Supply. Seems they are only interested in one persons purchases there.


You been braggin too much 😄


Ha, close friend and LGS owner.......not sure what to do.
Get Renegade to write them a letter.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Get Renegade to write them a letter.


Let THEM lose 5-10 minutes of their life eh.
They be like "WTF is a feild"?????
Originally Posted by Theeck
Why not just go talk to the neighbor and explain the dilemma he is creating for you?


What kind of nonsense is that? Killjoy.
Originally Posted by Raeford
Originally Posted by slumlord
Get Renegade to write them a letter.


Let THEM lose 5-10 minutes of their life eh.
They be like "WTF is a feild"?????


Hahaha

I'm dying

Leave him alone, he means well. 😂😂😂
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Guy I knew in upstate New York with a similar situation would just go and take dumps on his neighbor's property line starting a couple weeks before deer season.

AFAIK they didn't smell like Irish Spring... wink

i use to take a piss or dump right by my blind, never bothered the deer. would piss in a scrape then watch the buck come by smell it and piss on it.
Roger , you animal!
Raeford you gettin this, son you better recognize laugh

Laughing


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So when's Lade coming out to hunt with you and Rene?
Put a few cameras out on your side facing the corn pile.
He's busy

Gotta steal another woman from a forum member.

He kicked ol "Patches" to the curb
Just in time for deer season


Last year he put a bullet in dog's brain cause he was gettin a little slow coming up the stairs...just in time for fawn season
Originally Posted by Raeford
So when's Lade coming out to hunt with you and Rene?

Never.
Game hogs for ego with a mouse squeaky voice are people i would never associate with.
Not to mention he is a adulterer.
Which i dont abide either.

I may be one of the biggest azzholes on this site at times.
But i do have morals and values .
And i dont have to go to church for social status or for the acceptance of a group of online people who i will never meet.

Big difference in being a blunt azzhole like me and someone like him with a corrupt soul.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Raeford
So when's Lade coming out to hunt with you and Rene?

Never.
Game hogs for ego with a mouse squeaky voice are people i would never associate with.
Not to mention he is a adulterer.
Which i dont abide either.

I may be one of the biggest azzholes on this site at times.
But i do have morals and values .
And i dont have to go to church for social status or for the acceptance of a group of online people who i will never meet.

Big difference in being a blunt azzhole like me and someone like him with a corrupt soul.


When did that happen?
Originally Posted by slumlord
Get Renegade to write them a letter.

I say things that others will not.
And IDGAF about others hurt feelings when presented with the truth.


And im considered a azzhole for it.

This is one fugged up planet.....
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by Raeford
So when's Lade coming out to hunt with you and Rene?

Never.
Game hogs for ego with a mouse squeaky voice are people i would never associate with.
Not to mention he is a adulterer.
Which i dont abide either.

I may be one of the biggest azzholes on this site at times.
But i do have morals and values .
And i dont have to go to church for social status or for the acceptance of a group of online people who i will never meet.

Big difference in being a blunt azzhole like me and someone like him with a corrupt soul.


Get him to bring Rug Cecil and Uni, y'all have a blast.
Of course there's no tellin what DA bring from former skank....speaking of the gift that keeps on giving
20 years of so ago, I was working in south Louisiana, with a fellow that lived in La., but he and 2 other fellows had a lease in Ms. Ms. at that time was 'no baiting', I don't know about now. Anyway, these 3 had been buying corn for almost a month and instead of piling it up, like at Slummy's, they were scattering it. Called themselves hiding it in the leaves, and it is harder to see. They even found a hollow stump and put the empty sacks in the stump. Didn't want to be seen in Ms. with empty corn sacks. Built themselves 3 nice stands, and according to my friend, they had deer all over the place.

We had to work one Sat. and that was the day they usually put out corn. My friend was talking about how bad he wanted to be out with his friends up at the lease. Heard this all day. Well, we came to work Sun. and his story had changed. He was telling us how glad he wasn't at the lease the day before. Seems his friends put out the corn, hid the sacks, walked back to the truck, and there stood the GW. He asked them how they was doing and asked them if they had permission to be on the property. The produced the lease papers and said they was just looking around. Then the GW told them they had been baiting with corn and proceeded to take them to all 3 stands and the stump with the empty sacks. Needless to say, they was busted, but the GW told them that it wasn't against the law to feed the wildlife. However all the feed had to be removed 2 weeks before hunting the area and that he would personally check the area, if they hunted there. And, if he found even 1 kernel of corn, he would write them up.

Season opened the next weekend and they had to scramble to move their stands. My friend said he was not going to hunt that place that year, afraid there might be a kernel of corn missed by the deer and squirrels.
Got another one....

When I lived in south Ms., I was a member in a hunting lease. We had about 2500-3000 acres and it had a 3 strand barb wire fence all the way around it. Once you went in one of the gates, as long as you didn't cross a fence, you was on the lease.

Anyway, a fellow on the neighboring property built a box stand less than 1' from the fence in the out of the way hollows. Even cut a shooting lane on our side of the fence for about 100 yds. I told one of the other members about what I found and he took a look. Came back to me and said the members of that other club only hunted weekends and if I would help him, we would fix the fellow.

So the next Sat. I slipped in an hour before daylight and sat on a knoll, with my hunters orange on, about 20 yds from the stand, but on our side of the fence, looking on our property. I had my back to the fence. Sure enough about 15 min. before daylight, I saw a light coming thru the woods and someone got into the stand.

Once it got daylight, the fellow finally spotted me and I heard a very audible "Schit" and heard a chair scraping on the floor of the stand. I looked over and he had turned his chair to where he had his back to the fence, too. After a couple of hours he left.

Sunday morning was my buddies turn and he said he waited until just at daylight to walk in. The fellow was already in the stand, but my friend used his flashlight to walk in just so the fellow would see him. He sat in the same spot I did. He said the fellow stayed about an hour and left.

Sometime the next week, the boxstand disappeared.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Just in time for deer season


Last year he put a bullet in dog's brain cause he was gettin a little slow coming up the stairs...just in time for fawn season

No chance for an office visit for a 11 yr okd dog with arthritis possibly.
Meloxicam
$ 4.30 for 30 day supply at wally world.
Vet will even call in the script for ya.....

My almost 14 yr old dog is slow.
Healthy but slow at times.
I wouldnt put a bullet in his head cause it inconvience,s me .
Just plan an extra 15 mins of prep time on the alarm clock for him on mornings i hunt.
Had a similar situation on our property line years ago with illegal baiting.sneakingnon our property

I went to a few local hair salons and filled up a trash bag of human hair and dumped all around their stands and along properly line. Human hair is a big deer repellent imo

I bow hunt and on opening of firearm season went down opening morning with al electronic predator call and played coyote calls all morning.
I like the wind chime idea.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by slumlord
Just in time for deer season


Last year he put a bullet in dog's brain cause he was gettin a little slow coming up the stairs...just in time for fawn season

No chance for an office visit for a 11 yr okd dog with arthritis possibly.
Meloxicam
$ 4.30 for 30 day supply at wally world.
Vet will even call in the script for ya.....

My almost 14 yr old dog is slow.
Healthy but slow at times.
I wouldnt put a bullet in his head cause it inconvience,s me .
Just plan an extra 15 mins of prep time on the alarm clock for him on mornings i hunt.


But you don't have 119 doe and fawn to kill....time man, it's of the essence.
That's a big doe.

Make a lotta cream o som yung gie wit stummick pots
renegade 50 I don't think you are a a$$ hole you talk like men should talk say what is wrong what it takes to fix it with no bullsh!! people are scared to say what needs to said . that and I think you & slumlord are funny as hell grin
Originally Posted by 44mc
renegade 50 I don't think you are a a$$ hole you talk like men should talk say what is wrong what it takes to fix it with no bullsh!! people are scared to say what needs to said . that and I think you & slumlord are funny as hell grin

Dude i was a real fugging dick head on here for a long time.

Learned to mellow out last couple of years.
Still an azzhole.
Always have been. Always will be.

Liberal socialist Democrats are the enemy.

But.....
Originally Posted by ribka
Had a similar situation on our property line years ago with illegal baiting.sneakingnon our property

I went to a few local hair salons and filled up a trash bag of human hair and dumped all around their stands and along properly line. Human hair is a big deer repellent imo

I bow hunt and on opening of firearm season went down opening morning with al electronic predator call and played coyote calls all morning.

This is the next round.
Lots of barber shops in town.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
I like the wind chime idea.


This thread has serious potential.

Hey Slum, If he hangs a stand close enough, we gonna need some video...
"Ahhh; the gift that keeps on giving"

Still no help for the herpes outbreaks? Pears sent.
I was thinking more of jelly of the month club

Or...bar of soap a month club
Wonder what grease from burger joints would do???


Just all types of fugged up schit you can throw out their for repulsive scent.


I shoulda picked up that dead fawn on the way out that was on the bypass.

Draw in yotes.
Originally Posted by slumlord
We hunted a dove field last month with the warden on site. Heard 5 shot volley several times.

Asked the warden as he walked the field if he was checking plugs, he says "awwe I checked purty much errbody last year at this thing, i know many of the familiar faces, they all good"



We had a Warden like that. His drinking buddy was hunting the neighboring field. I called his Captain. He got “re-edgucated”


Put a creepy gnome out just on the ground





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Fish guts- - - - -Mason jar- - - - sunshine- - - - -time- - - - - -.22 rimfire. Repeat as necessary.
Jerry
Originally Posted by renegade50
Wonder what grease from burger joints would do???


Just all types of fugged up schit you can throw out their for repulsive scent.


I shoulda picked up that dead fawn on the way out that was on the bypass.

Draw in yotes.


Pump the brakes....

Just get signed up at the game shack, you can be Starvin Marvin needing a donated doe.

We'll get one every couple weeks and throw it off in that holler.
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Fish guts- - - - -Mason jar- - - - sunshine- - - - -time- - - - - -.22 rimfire. Repeat as necessary.
Jerry

Shad guts
Cat fish bait.
Time for [bleep] to get real. [bleep] his mom, post pics on the internet.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by renegade50
Wonder what grease from burger joints would do???


Just all types of fugged up schit you can throw out their for repulsive scent.


I shoulda picked up that dead fawn on the way out that was on the bypass.

Draw in yotes.


Pump the brakes....

Just get signed up at the game shack, you can be Starvin Marvin needing a donated doe.

We'll get one every couple weeks and throw it off in that holler.



That fawn this morning was intact.
Not popped like a giant zit .
I shoulda stopped and got it.

Fugg it man just make it a gutting spot bout 50yards from the line thruout the season.
Good place to dump yotes also.

You know chances are good of whacking a couple of them this fall.
Does he have a stand nearby?
My brother and I had a very similar situation with a neighbor here in Georgia. We asked the Judge that a game warden would have to go in front of with a case against us for ignoring the pile of corn our neighbor had out 20 yards from our property. His opinion was that a neighbor couldn't do anything on his property that removed our rights on our property. He said if it got that far, that he would be glad to explain the law to the warden. Wouldn't hurt to ask the guy making the call what his opinion of the law is. Lots of times those judges hunt too.
Use a Super Soaker squirt gun and spray coyote or fox pee cover scent on his corn pile.
Put a couple of trail cams up that keep track of his corn pile and his stand. Sooner or later you will catch him on camera committing the game law violation that he actually has already planned.
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
This is the kind of quality content that keeps me coming back!



LMAO
Originally Posted by renegade50
Here is the email i sent in dealing with my last interaction with a tn
" game warden" sept 1st and 2nd of this year.


Fugging buncha bullschitt as follows;





Never be kowtowed by public employee fuggs.
Address their shortcomings right then and their with em.
If they persist and show in every encounter they DGAF
Then bring it higher....

Below is something I addressed this week.
Gave dude every fugging chance to do his job.
Spoke to him factually 
He just didnt give a fugg.
He also didnt know who he was talking too and just thought I was some average schmuck....
The email i sent below:





Per ph conversation w/ "d" here is the email below i said i would send to you:



Listed below in chronological order

Best that I can compose.

Sept 1st hunt.

1. 1st interaction with Caleb the warden.

Came up by my position about 130 pm.

2 other hunters speaking with me also.

Caleb asked how it was going 

I said fine except everyone driving atv,s and walking across middle of feild during shooting hours flaring away birds and risking being shot coming up out terrian masking while people are actively shooting

Spoke with him about people shooting across southern boundary of feild into another field. ( the house on southern boundary with horse,s and home getting hit with bird shot)

He said they asked for permission to look for downed birds.

I then asked did they ask for permission to shoot at birds 30 to 40 yards over their property 1st.

His reply well it's legal and cant be helped.

I said to him I dont beleive that and you are making excuses to me for stuff you should been observing and taking care and adressing.

I then asked him why I observed a biologists tell them people after an hour not to shoot south anymore and wasnt enforcement and correction his job and not the biologist job

Said he was busy.......

His reply to everything I addressed in a calm rational discussion was.....

If you dont like how things are on this field you can find other places to hunt if you like with a pleasant smirk .....


I just thought to myself at that point.

Whatever dude you ain't got no spine....


For a warden to say something like to a person addressing basic issues he should be doing per his job is unacceptable and shows he has a lack of spine to do his job at even the most basic level.


He did not check my license , migratory bird permit or shotgun plug . Or the 2 others standing their listening to the disscussion.

Everything I addressed to him were basic level common sense safety issues or law issues at that time.

The 2 other hunters were amazed at his I dont care attitude during my and his 15 to 20 minute talk when he left.

He said he had to go check a 150 dollar a head pay hunt. He emphasized this point several times like some proclamation directed at me after his comment about me being" unhappy" supposedly in his mind about finding some other place to hunt.

When actually it was that he was resentful of me pointing out his shortcomings of him turning a blind eye to doing his job.


2. He then went on to stop at 4 other adjacent spots ( all of us had talked fans and feilds of fire for safety prior to the hunt.)

A total of 8 people did not have any requirements checked by him at all.


3. Numerous people on the feild had no plug in their guns.

It is easy to distinguish a gun without one

Their is no hiding the sound from one single gun even in multiple guns shooting 

It is even easier when a gun without a plug is firing by itself.

I heard numerous people (myself included) yelling at a father and son party doing this in the southern bowl area on the east boundary directly across from the willow tree clump thruout the day.

I fail to beleive a warden did not hear the shots or the people yelling to that duo to shoot only 3 shots and plugs their mag tubes.


4.same father and son duo were shooting birds across the feild on eastern boundary into another property 30 to 40 yards into it

From a 100 yd tree line break clearly visible to the warden tent

People ( myself included) were once again yelling at these 2 that what they was doing was illegal. Fail to belive once again the warden neither heard or seen any of this going on.

A guns report has a total different sound being fired 180° opposite out of a range fan.

Let alone seeing it going on in plain sight.


5. I gave warden "g" a good snapshot of caleb,s complacency when I left that day.

I dont think warden" g" was too impressed with what i said about caleb not even doing the basics of his job.


Sept2 hunt

1. From my position about 300 yards away

I observed caleb post 4 signs about 30 yards off the southern fence line around 1130.

Then approximately at 1230 after the noon start time. A gator with 2 hunters parked 10 feet off the southern fence line, they had even stopped and read one of the signs.



2. 2 hunters came by me 

Talking w/ them 

Similar points they had 

About people being in line of fire in range fans and on bad terrian in middle of field.


They also mentioned what caleb said to them per license and plug checks.

Cause they offered the paperwork and shotguns for inspection to them.


Caleb's response to them,

We checked all that stuff on people last year at a field and caught no one in violation so we wont bother with it this year.

Did they make that up.

I doubt they did.

They had brought up many things they observed the 1st day along the lines of my observations also . Only they was on the northern boundary of the field.


3.at approx 130 caleb drove past 20 yards from the 2 hunters with the gator 10ft away from the southern fence in plain visible veiw. Who had been actively shooting birds

what was written on the signs was unknown to me up till that time.

Started speaking with caleb 

Told him I was a little sorry, but not much for addressing issues with him yesterday but I told him they was all legit issues and many others on the field also were concerned about the same issues.

Plugs, people in range fans, shooting birds off the feild on other properties ect ect ect.

He said that's allright I dont take stuff personal, it is just the job.

I then asked him what did those signs say you posted 


He said the ladies house was getting hit with birdshot all day yesterday .

So the signs say no hunting within 100yards of the fence.


I thought this is fugging unbeilvable...


I said to him 

I dont belive you just posted a standard/ notification in person .

Its almost 2 hours into the hunt and those guys have been shooting 10 ft away from that fence and everyone including myself just watched you drive 20 yards past them in plain veiw and you did absouloutly nothing.


His reply was a vague 


It really dont matter

 

Then quickly left and drove out the north entrance road.

Another person was in the truck with him and heard me say what I had to say.


He returned one time around 4 pm but never made rounds on the feild and left around 430


I left the field around 630pm

Took attached pictures

You can plainly see the gator hunters 10 ft off the fence with sign on my right side towards the southern fence and also can see one of the signs.





I have hunted these leased feilds in Robertson county for 7 or 8 yrs.

They are excellent fields to hunt.

Many appreciate them.

Many observe the same things but will not speak their minds outta meakness.


We all know that is true in this day and age.


I have never seen or encountered stuff I have described like this until this year.

And it all falls on the warden.

Hearing that it all got away from us and we are shorthanded is not an excuse.

When " the it got away from us excuse" was not established as a baseline in the 1st place.

A friend of mine called up warden "g" with similar issues he had also.


Tactfully here are my suggestions.


Jerk a knot in Caleb's azz, inform him his job is being the standard bearer for his county for twra.

Tell him he can get along with his residents in his county and get over a possible fear of reprisal for enforcement of game laws.

Just enforce the standards and laws and use common sense.

Also tell him he needs to very careful with his off the cuff flippant remarks to people.

He dont know who the hell he is talking too

And just lumps everyone into they think I'm cool if I dont uphold the laws with them as I see fit.


Running into sheep dogs/wolves versus your average everyday sheep are 2 different things and schitt will bite ya in the ass if you dont hold the same standard for all across the board all the time.


He might be seen as the good ole boy warden by now and it might be too late for him to establish a better enforcement presence in robertson county.

A transfer to another county might rehab him into a better warden with a fresh start with some mentoring under a warden that is known for being firm but fair .


All any of us ask to encounter in a warden

Is firm but fair and equal across the board.

You cant pick and choose what you want to do and not do in a enforcement type job


People will pick up on a double standard or lack of a standard and will exploit it.


I spent 24 yrs in the army infantry.

I know what leadership looks like.

Caleb is trying to be the cool laid back guy.

Get along with everyone

Let schitt slide


Honestly if caleb was under me

I would look at his total performance.

And look at this behavior I seen from him.

And either do a relief for cause from duty position on him to something not in the public eye or transfer for a 2nd chance to establish in him a better law enforcement proactive mode.

And let him prove he can be a warden that upholds standards of this states game laws

He is the face of twra in robertson county 

Good or bad or complacency wise let him prove what he is.

A standard overlooked becomes the standard.

I think caleb in my opinon has done this and it has become 2nd nature too him to let schitt slide to be seen as " cool"


It can be corrected with a mentor like i mentioned .


Not a punishment but development.


Handle this in house guys with caleb.

It dont need to go higher

And the young man doesn't need to lose his job or take a pay cut

It's in your hands, not mine.


I know I would rehab transfer him under a warden with a solid reputation who has a retirement date. Tell caleb it ain't punishment but we want you to be an alpha warden and not a beta warden.



Suggestions for your leased dovefields

Easy to edit in and establish on the website instructions on each county field.

Or as a red letter all encompassing msg on the dove website 


1.occupation of shooting positions on all leased feilds will be within 25 yards of outer boundaries

2. No foot traffic or atv traffic is allowed across fields at any time prior to or during a hunt.

3. foot traffic is only allowed into a field to retrieve a downed bird in the most direct visible manner.




These 3 simple rules ( which also need to be posted at field entrance) 

Will establish you fields of fire and impact zone.

And help keep morons from getting shot who think they can just go sit in front of 6 hunters 75 yards out in their fields of fire.

Cause their ain't no rule that says they cant.



Another suggestion to solve your manning problems on fields and enforcement problems.


Charge a 2 dollar entry fee.

Kids, handicap, elderly free


Get 1 or 2 wildlife management students or local hunter safety types or local policewith a basic level of firearms compentency.

Have a safe inspection area at entrance 

Have them check for plugs and paper work

Ain't got correct paper work

You go get online buy it right now or go home.

Ain't got a plug

Have some 1/4th wood dowels on hand 

Have dumb dumb cut it to proper lenght and dumb dumb can put it in his mag tube if needed 


Pay the wildlife management student or whoever from the 2 dollar entry fees


Warden handles violations only in tactful manner from the checkers if needed




The 3 simple rules will take care of most of the conflicts on fields .

One day you guys will have ugly incident on a field . Just a matter of time for something to happen



Handle caleb in house guys.

Dont need ta be blown up.

Let him establish a proper reputation in another county.

Honestly the guys in robertson probably see him as a pushover by now.


That is not how a warden is supposed to be seen.

Firm fair and equal with the law is what we as hunters expect always

Not adjusting on the fly to be seen as cool and nonconfrontational.

Dont need a call or a follow up.

It's in your lane, handle it in house.

Other people dont need to know caleb needs to develop into a alpha and break this beta role he has made in robertson for himself

Caleb got transferred to another county for medical or family regions.

Caleb got put under a retiring warden as a replacement.

Simple as that.


Sincerely


 









Did they reply back with spelling and grammatical suggestions?
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Eucalyptus lotion???!!! I can see it now! “Koalas escape from local enclosure! Found humping in local hickory trees!”



I’m crying. 😂😂😂😂😂
Renegade Manifesto
Quote
Did they reply back with spelling and grammatical suggestions?


Probably fell asleep reading that. Twice.
Originally Posted by slumlord


Put a creepy gnome out just on the ground





[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]




#morepsychologicalwarfare

You need to get all True Detectives Season 1 & 2 out there—build some alters, spill some goat blood, set up blindfolded mannequins dressed like Laura Ingalls Wilder leashed to tabby cat road kill and tattered stuffed animals.

When I lived in rural PA down the road from us was a cabin on half a acre, every deer season there would be 15-20 trucks at that half acre camp.

My FIL and me used to spend more time chasing aholes off our two properties than hunting.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
I like the wind chime idea.



Made from femurs and condoms.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Time for [bleep] to get real. [bleep] his mom, post pics on the internet.



JackMt. gets it.
Had a shower, run my clothes thru the washer on 2 cycles and dried

My hands still smell like moth naphtha


Gawd, I gave that thicket a good goin over, guess I got caught up in the moment Jeeeze

Chit's lingering on my hands like filleting crappie
We hit about 200 trees in there with speed stick, and several bars of irish soap

About 6 acres worth of cedar thicket. 🙊👍😱


The Comet cracked me up.I was WTF
With "Blanquedor" 😫😫😂😂
Those deer will be good and desensitized—forever to associate all things Unilever with shelled corn.
dam I wish I was closer you two are having more fun than hunting
Originally Posted by 44mc
renegade 50 I don't think you are a a$$ hole you talk like men should talk say what is wrong what it takes to fix it with no bullsh!! people are scared to say what needs to said . that and I think you & slumlord are funny as hell grin


He not an azzwhole. He just goes crazy at times in WW if provoked. wink
I dropped dude off at the head of the hollow, with 2 lbs of Comet and an AK47

ok man, see ya at the bottom of the hill



laughing

We gridded that fugger out
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Roger , you animal!


He smells like puzzy, KW.
Originally Posted by slumlord
I dropped dude off at the head of the hollow, with 2 lbs of Comet and an AK47

ok man, see ya at the bottom of the hill



laughing


If I saw this out in my travels my first thought is meth. smile
Originally Posted by slumlord
Renegade Manifesto


gotta be careful with the manifestoing nowadays.

not like the olden days when a fella could just manifesto away. All day at the desk with a plume in hand and a big bottle o' ink.

Now, one can't even remain anonymous, everything is recorded somewhere.

THEY are watching and preparing the dreaded RED FLAG LAWS!!!

dude gonna get busted for pickin' on the deer poleece.

Geno
Years ago this was.

We had a Sept 1-20 moose season. On he Refuge, using a plane to hunt moose by landing on lakes the first 10 days was verboten. 11-20, OK

State Trooper Sgt would fly in on the 6th or 7th on a "fishing trip" to a lake about 4 miles from the road - perfectly legal. And fly out the 11th or 12th with his moose, often shot on the 8-10th. He thought he was all alone out there. He wasn't. I heard the shots, monitored and recorded the planes (with tail numbers if I could get them), etc, tho I never attempted to get an eye on him. No hard evidence, therefor....

I reported the situation every year to both Troopers. (GW are also Troopers) and USF&W refuge officers, and after about 4 years it stopped. USF&W LEO's, I suspect, maybe had a talk with him.

He was using the same technique I was using, to get in there before "airplane season", to hunt the country before the airplane [bleep] could target the moose they had spotted from the air in the few days previous (also legal- if they didn't fly and shoot same day . and some did.) Then come the 11th, we could fly our meat out.

The diff was that I walked in and hunted legally, and he was cheating, in direct violation of USF&W regulations.

And it pissed me off.
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by renegade50
Here is the email i sent in dealing with my last interaction with a tn
" game warden" sept 1st and 2nd of this year.


Fugging buncha bullschitt as follows;





Never be kowtowed by public employee fuggs.
Address their shortcomings right then and their with em.
If they persist and show in every encounter they DGAF
Then bring it higher....

Below is something I addressed this week.
Gave dude every fugging chance to do his job.
Spoke to him factually 
He just didnt give a fugg.
He also didnt know who he was talking too and just thought I was some average schmuck....
The email i sent below:





Per ph conversation w/ "d" here is the email below i said i would send to you:



Listed below in chronological order

Best that I can compose.

Sept 1st hunt.

1. 1st interaction with Caleb the warden.

Came up by my position about 130 pm.

2 other hunters speaking with me also.

Caleb asked how it was going 

I said fine except everyone driving atv,s and walking across middle of feild during shooting hours flaring away birds and risking being shot coming up out terrian masking while people are actively shooting

Spoke with him about people shooting across southern boundary of feild into another field. ( the house on southern boundary with horse,s and home getting hit with bird shot)

He said they asked for permission to look for downed birds.

I then asked did they ask for permission to shoot at birds 30 to 40 yards over their property 1st.

His reply well it's legal and cant be helped.

I said to him I dont beleive that and you are making excuses to me for stuff you should been observing and taking care and adressing.

I then asked him why I observed a biologists tell them people after an hour not to shoot south anymore and wasnt enforcement and correction his job and not the biologist job

Said he was busy.......

His reply to everything I addressed in a calm rational discussion was.....

If you dont like how things are on this field you can find other places to hunt if you like with a pleasant smirk .....


I just thought to myself at that point.

Whatever dude you ain't got no spine....


For a warden to say something like to a person addressing basic issues he should be doing per his job is unacceptable and shows he has a lack of spine to do his job at even the most basic level.


He did not check my license , migratory bird permit or shotgun plug . Or the 2 others standing their listening to the disscussion.

Everything I addressed to him were basic level common sense safety issues or law issues at that time.

The 2 other hunters were amazed at his I dont care attitude during my and his 15 to 20 minute talk when he left.

He said he had to go check a 150 dollar a head pay hunt. He emphasized this point several times like some proclamation directed at me after his comment about me being" unhappy" supposedly in his mind about finding some other place to hunt.

When actually it was that he was resentful of me pointing out his shortcomings of him turning a blind eye to doing his job.


2. He then went on to stop at 4 other adjacent spots ( all of us had talked fans and feilds of fire for safety prior to the hunt.)

A total of 8 people did not have any requirements checked by him at all.


3. Numerous people on the feild had no plug in their guns.

It is easy to distinguish a gun without one

Their is no hiding the sound from one single gun even in multiple guns shooting 

It is even easier when a gun without a plug is firing by itself.

I heard numerous people (myself included) yelling at a father and son party doing this in the southern bowl area on the east boundary directly across from the willow tree clump thruout the day.

I fail to beleive a warden did not hear the shots or the people yelling to that duo to shoot only 3 shots and plugs their mag tubes.


4.same father and son duo were shooting birds across the feild on eastern boundary into another property 30 to 40 yards into it

From a 100 yd tree line break clearly visible to the warden tent

People ( myself included) were once again yelling at these 2 that what they was doing was illegal. Fail to belive once again the warden neither heard or seen any of this going on.

A guns report has a total different sound being fired 180° opposite out of a range fan.

Let alone seeing it going on in plain sight.


5. I gave warden "g" a good snapshot of caleb,s complacency when I left that day.

I dont think warden" g" was too impressed with what i said about caleb not even doing the basics of his job.


Sept2 hunt

1. From my position about 300 yards away

I observed caleb post 4 signs about 30 yards off the southern fence line around 1130.

Then approximately at 1230 after the noon start time. A gator with 2 hunters parked 10 feet off the southern fence line, they had even stopped and read one of the signs.



2. 2 hunters came by me 

Talking w/ them 

Similar points they had 

About people being in line of fire in range fans and on bad terrian in middle of field.


They also mentioned what caleb said to them per license and plug checks.

Cause they offered the paperwork and shotguns for inspection to them.


Caleb's response to them,

We checked all that stuff on people last year at a field and caught no one in violation so we wont bother with it this year.

Did they make that up.

I doubt they did.

They had brought up many things they observed the 1st day along the lines of my observations also . Only they was on the northern boundary of the field.


3.at approx 130 caleb drove past 20 yards from the 2 hunters with the gator 10ft away from the southern fence in plain visible veiw. Who had been actively shooting birds

what was written on the signs was unknown to me up till that time.

Started speaking with caleb 

Told him I was a little sorry, but not much for addressing issues with him yesterday but I told him they was all legit issues and many others on the field also were concerned about the same issues.

Plugs, people in range fans, shooting birds off the feild on other properties ect ect ect.

He said that's allright I dont take stuff personal, it is just the job.

I then asked him what did those signs say you posted 


He said the ladies house was getting hit with birdshot all day yesterday .

So the signs say no hunting within 100yards of the fence.


I thought this is fugging unbeilvable...


I said to him 

I dont belive you just posted a standard/ notification in person .

Its almost 2 hours into the hunt and those guys have been shooting 10 ft away from that fence and everyone including myself just watched you drive 20 yards past them in plain veiw and you did absouloutly nothing.


His reply was a vague 


It really dont matter

 

Then quickly left and drove out the north entrance road.

Another person was in the truck with him and heard me say what I had to say.


He returned one time around 4 pm but never made rounds on the feild and left around 430


I left the field around 630pm

Took attached pictures

You can plainly see the gator hunters 10 ft off the fence with sign on my right side towards the southern fence and also can see one of the signs.





I have hunted these leased feilds in Robertson county for 7 or 8 yrs.

They are excellent fields to hunt.

Many appreciate them.

Many observe the same things but will not speak their minds outta meakness.


We all know that is true in this day and age.


I have never seen or encountered stuff I have described like this until this year.

And it all falls on the warden.

Hearing that it all got away from us and we are shorthanded is not an excuse.

When " the it got away from us excuse" was not established as a baseline in the 1st place.

A friend of mine called up warden "g" with similar issues he had also.


Tactfully here are my suggestions.


Jerk a knot in Caleb's azz, inform him his job is being the standard bearer for his county for twra.

Tell him he can get along with his residents in his county and get over a possible fear of reprisal for enforcement of game laws.

Just enforce the standards and laws and use common sense.

Also tell him he needs to very careful with his off the cuff flippant remarks to people.

He dont know who the hell he is talking too

And just lumps everyone into they think I'm cool if I dont uphold the laws with them as I see fit.


Running into sheep dogs/wolves versus your average everyday sheep are 2 different things and schitt will bite ya in the ass if you dont hold the same standard for all across the board all the time.


He might be seen as the good ole boy warden by now and it might be too late for him to establish a better enforcement presence in robertson county.

A transfer to another county might rehab him into a better warden with a fresh start with some mentoring under a warden that is known for being firm but fair .


All any of us ask to encounter in a warden

Is firm but fair and equal across the board.

You cant pick and choose what you want to do and not do in a enforcement type job


People will pick up on a double standard or lack of a standard and will exploit it.


I spent 24 yrs in the army infantry.

I know what leadership looks like.

Caleb is trying to be the cool laid back guy.

Get along with everyone

Let schitt slide


Honestly if caleb was under me

I would look at his total performance.

And look at this behavior I seen from him.

And either do a relief for cause from duty position on him to something not in the public eye or transfer for a 2nd chance to establish in him a better law enforcement proactive mode.

And let him prove he can be a warden that upholds standards of this states game laws

He is the face of twra in robertson county 

Good or bad or complacency wise let him prove what he is.

A standard overlooked becomes the standard.

I think caleb in my opinon has done this and it has become 2nd nature too him to let schitt slide to be seen as " cool"


It can be corrected with a mentor like i mentioned .


Not a punishment but development.


Handle this in house guys with caleb.

It dont need to go higher

And the young man doesn't need to lose his job or take a pay cut

It's in your hands, not mine.


I know I would rehab transfer him under a warden with a solid reputation who has a retirement date. Tell caleb it ain't punishment but we want you to be an alpha warden and not a beta warden.



Suggestions for your leased dovefields

Easy to edit in and establish on the website instructions on each county field.

Or as a red letter all encompassing msg on the dove website 


1.occupation of shooting positions on all leased feilds will be within 25 yards of outer boundaries

2. No foot traffic or atv traffic is allowed across fields at any time prior to or during a hunt.

3. foot traffic is only allowed into a field to retrieve a downed bird in the most direct visible manner.




These 3 simple rules ( which also need to be posted at field entrance) 

Will establish you fields of fire and impact zone.

And help keep morons from getting shot who think they can just go sit in front of 6 hunters 75 yards out in their fields of fire.

Cause their ain't no rule that says they cant.



Another suggestion to solve your manning problems on fields and enforcement problems.


Charge a 2 dollar entry fee.

Kids, handicap, elderly free


Get 1 or 2 wildlife management students or local hunter safety types or local policewith a basic level of firearms compentency.

Have a safe inspection area at entrance 

Have them check for plugs and paper work

Ain't got correct paper work

You go get online buy it right now or go home.

Ain't got a plug

Have some 1/4th wood dowels on hand 

Have dumb dumb cut it to proper lenght and dumb dumb can put it in his mag tube if needed 


Pay the wildlife management student or whoever from the 2 dollar entry fees


Warden handles violations only in tactful manner from the checkers if needed




The 3 simple rules will take care of most of the conflicts on fields .

One day you guys will have ugly incident on a field . Just a matter of time for something to happen



Handle caleb in house guys.

Dont need ta be blown up.

Let him establish a proper reputation in another county.

Honestly the guys in robertson probably see him as a pushover by now.


That is not how a warden is supposed to be seen.

Firm fair and equal with the law is what we as hunters expect always

Not adjusting on the fly to be seen as cool and nonconfrontational.

Dont need a call or a follow up.

It's in your lane, handle it in house.

Other people dont need to know caleb needs to develop into a alpha and break this beta role he has made in robertson for himself

Caleb got transferred to another county for medical or family regions.

Caleb got put under a retiring warden as a replacement.

Simple as that.


Sincerely


 









Did they reply back with spelling and grammatical suggestions?

Nope and i really wouldnt give a fugg if they did.
I hit the matter and spoke the facts.
So my lack of concern about properly writing it nullify,s the events in peoples minds as a excuse to not address the issue.

Thats how english nazi,s think....
Cause they aint got nothing else to offhandedly dismiss a matter with....
Originally Posted by TheKid
Originally Posted by slumlord
I dropped dude off at the head of the hollow, with 2 lbs of Comet and an AK47

ok man, see ya at the bottom of the hill



laughing


If I saw this out in my travels my first thought is meth. smile

Methheads cant afford a Arsenal SLR 100H.

They would be carrying a IO or RAS 47.


Lol!!!
Originally Posted by las
Years ago this was.

We had a Sept 1-20 moose season. On he Refuge, using a plane to hunt moose by landing on lakes the first 10 days was verboten. 11-20, OK

State Trooper Sgt would fly in on the 6th or 7th on a "fishing trip" to a lake about 4 miles from the road - perfectly legal. And fly out the 11th or 12th with his moose, often shot on the 8-10th. He thought he was all alone out there. He wasn't. I heard the shots, monitored and recorded the planes (with tail numbers if I could get them), etc, tho I never attempted to get an eye on him. No hard evidence, therefor....

I reported the situation every year to both Troopers. (GW are also Troopers) and USF&W refuge officers, and after about 4 years it stopped. USF&W LEO's, I suspect, maybe had a talk with him.

He was using the same technique I was using, to get in there before "airplane season", to hunt the country before the airplane [bleep] could target the moose they had spotted from the air in the few days previous (also legal- if they didn't fly and shoot same day . and some did.) Then come the 11th, we could fly our meat out.

The diff was that I walked in and hunted legally, and he was cheating, in direct violation of USF&W regulations.

And it pissed me off.


We had a GW that was shooting ducks after hours....

They, the other GW's could hear the shooting and decided to catch whoever it was. Set up a trap, but this GW knew the woods and pipelines better and had a faster boat, he got away several times. Finally they had enough and brought in the helicopter.
Couldn't outrun it.

The fellow is not a GW anymore, but it wasn't the shooting ducks after hours that cost him his job.
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by slumlord
Get Renegade to write them a letter.

I say things that others will not.
And IDGAF about others hurt feelings when presented with the truth.


And im considered a azzhole for it.

This is one fugged up planet.....



Oh the drama!
Wear gloves the next time.
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Wildfowl gave me an idea. Sneak in before daylight and drop a transistor radio turned way down low. I guarantee the deer can hear it.

I tried sitting up a pine in the late season NM archery years ago and had one with ear buds I could barely hear and the deer would get no closer than 80 yds in the snow.

If you leave it there long enough though, they will get curious and come in to check it out.


A battery powered alarm clock set for 15 minutes after sunrise will run last a LONG time....
Originally Posted by wildfowl
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Wildfowl gave me an idea. Sneak in before daylight and drop a transistor radio turned way down low. I guarantee the deer can hear it.

I tried sitting up a pine in the late season NM archery years ago and had one with ear buds I could barely hear and the deer would get no closer than 80 yds in the snow.

If you leave it there long enough though, they will get curious and come in to check it out.


A battery powered alarm clock set for 15 minutes after sunrise will run last a LONG time....

Holy schit!!!
Combo of both.
Dude has ta get down outta stand find and unfugg alarm clock
While radio is emitting white noise still unkwown to him.
Decides if hunt is blown or not gets back in stand

With the outer scent rings working also.

Alarm clock and transistor radio cheap thrift store stuff.

Great ideas!!!
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by wildfowl
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Wildfowl gave me an idea. Sneak in before daylight and drop a transistor radio turned way down low. I guarantee the deer can hear it.

I tried sitting up a pine in the late season NM archery years ago and had one with ear buds I could barely hear and the deer would get no closer than 80 yds in the snow.

If you leave it there long enough though, they will get curious and come in to check it out.


A battery powered alarm clock set for 15 minutes after sunrise will run last a LONG time....

Holy schit!!!

Great idea!!!!


Put it in a ziplock bag to keep it waterproof too...

We have not yet begun to fight! Bring on the waterfowling line-bandits....
Ziplock...
With a note also

Have a nice day....
All of the previous ideas. Placed high in a tree.
There are some sick people here! grin
I can't speak on the deodorant or other stuff. But I killed two does one time that had just fed through white oak acorns that were littered with moth balls... It never phased them a bit.
Originally Posted by Fireball2
There are some sick people here! grin

Sick is throwing 3 gallons of glitter on the top of the neighbor's duck blind. It must have looked like a disco ball from the sky, even on a cloudy day.....
Hey, Rene gave me an idea with double jeopardy.

Set 3 or 4 cheap wind up alarm clocks is different locations on your side of the fence set to go off at different times. Be sure to have a hidden trail cam watching the first one.

How about dropping a cheap half of a Walkey Talkie on your side and keying your part to every once in a while asking dickhead if hes seeing anything. Be sure a trail cam watches it and I'd have another one watching the first trail cam.
Might try some dawn,baking soda and hydrogen peroxide.

It works on skunk smell so it might work on that as well.
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