Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
Years ago, when I was shooting Highpower Rifle, I did a big order for reloading supplies from Champions Choice in Tennessee. I figured I'd order over the phone (this was mid 90s) and pick it up when I visited my brother in Nashville in a week. That way, I'd save on shipping fees. I got there and they nailed me for sales tax, which ended up being more than shipping charges would've been.
A lot of states are now charging sales tax from internet sales. It has something to do with a court case out of S. Dakota ( If I remember right). According to the people I have emailed about it they say they do not have any choice in the matter.
I think this goes back to a Supreme Court decision allow states to collect online sales tax.
AL started doing it in (I think) 2018. I remember the first order I made after it passed was through an online retailer....but I called to place the order because when I was trying to do it online it kept adding tax and I knew they didn't have a presence in AL. When I called they said they were sorry but that AL now had an online tax.
Here's what I found on how the new sales tax income is "used" in AL:
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......The state gets half of the proceeds, dividing 75 percent to the general fund and 25 percent to the education fund. Of the remaining amount, 60 percent goes to municipalities and 40 percent to counties, based on population.
..basically no idea how the state (or counties or municipalities) will use it...just how it's divided up.
Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
Damn has your head been in the sand like an ostrich? Decided over a year ago.
In a 5-4 decision, the Court ruled in favor of South Dakota and overruled Quill Corp. v. North Dakota and National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill. The Court concluded that “the physical presence rule of Quill is unsound and incorrect.” This is a big deal, since Quill had been the law of the land since 1992 regarding nexus for remote sellers and National Bellas Hess since 1967!
Writing for the majority, Justice Kennedy didn’t mince words as he delivered the opinion of the Court. In the opinion, Justice Kennedy broke down why “Quill is flawed on its own terms.” He wrote, “First, the physical presence rule is not a necessary interpretation of Complete Auto’s nexus requirement.” He continued, “Second, Quill creates rather than resolves market distortions” and “Third, Quill imposes the sort of arbitrary, formalistic distinction that the Court’s modern Commerce Clause precedents disavow in favor of ‘a sensitive, case-by-case analysis of purposes and effects.’”
The Court concluded that “…a business need not have a physical presence in a State to satisfy the demands of due process.”
Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
The accounting part of collecting and paying the appropriate percentage of mandatory state sales tax due to states with retail sales tax added a good deal of extra workload, manpower, expense and record keeping for businesses that sell online and to out of state customers via direct sales by salesmen, too.
Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
Damn has your head been in the sand like an ostrich? Decided over a year ago.
In a 5-4 decision, the Court ruled in favor of South Dakota and overruled Quill Corp. v. North Dakota and National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill. The Court concluded that “the physical presence rule of Quill is unsound and incorrect.” This is a big deal, since Quill had been the law of the land since 1992 regarding nexus for remote sellers and National Bellas Hess since 1967!
Writing for the majority, Justice Kennedy didn’t mince words as he delivered the opinion of the Court. In the opinion, Justice Kennedy broke down why “Quill is flawed on its own terms.” He wrote, “First, the physical presence rule is not a necessary interpretation of Complete Auto’s nexus requirement.” He continued, “Second, Quill creates rather than resolves market distortions” and “Third, Quill imposes the sort of arbitrary, formalistic distinction that the Court’s modern Commerce Clause precedents disavow in favor of ‘a sensitive, case-by-case analysis of purposes and effects.’”
The Court concluded that “…a business need not have a physical presence in a State to satisfy the demands of due process.”
Fully aware of it being done last year at fed level It was up to an individual state to do so or not.
Last online purchase was my savage 220 from grab a gun back in early may.
Tn and several other states joined the 38 others collecting online sales tax july 1. Thanks for the captain cut and paste update!!!
Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
Soap box for sale: Never been stood on and a full 24" tall with a step built in. $1 an inch free shipping to Tn. No Sales tax...……..
LMAO!
Did you do the search history like i mentioned to you yesterday? Did it open your eyes somewhat after you veiwed it? I noticed you didnt come back on that thread and hit me with your comprehension of it. I was waiting.....
Tn started it July 1.... Cheaper to buy instate physically now. Playing around with pricing, shipping fee, tax, and receiving end FFL/ Background check fees last night.
Thanks Tn.....
What is the state doing with this extra revenue not previously collected.
Probably general fund stuff for welfare as a way of life types....
Already pay for that schitt to the feds every April 15th...
Private firearm sales ftf with state residents is the way to roll.
Fugging greedy dick beater politicians fugging up schit as usual .
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
The savings difference was not paying tn sales tax rate before this even with everything else included. Tn state sales tax is around 9.5 ish We dont have state income tax . They bring that up every so often also. Just a matter of when on that one too.....
Never enough tax revenue for em.... All it does is screw the working and the retired. It dont phase phuggs who dont work or pay taxes......
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
Yes, I have just about quit shopping in Tennessee because of that. Now, there is no doubt that a sales tax is the most fair tax there is, because even the welfare crowd has to pay it. But, by the time you buy the gas driving the extra distance, then pay a 10% tax, you're better off staying home and paying a little more for the merchandise.
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
Yes, I have just about quit shopping in Tennessee because of that. Now, there is no doubt that a sales tax is the most fair tax there is, because even the welfare crowd has to pay it. But, by the time you buy the gas driving the extra distance, then pay a 10% tax, you're better off staying home and paying a little more for the merchandise.
Ebt food purchases are tax free IIRC. Gives the d baggs more bang with our buck when they use the goods for barter for their vices......
Almost like some states took it as a cue to enact schitt After President Trump eased up fed tax and regs . To get their dickbeaters into that freed up income source.
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
The savings difference was not paying tn sales tax rate before this even with everything else included. Tn state sales tax is around 9.5 ish We dont have state income tax . They bring that up every so often also. Just a matter of when on that one too.....
Never enough tax revenue for em.... All it does is screw the working and the retired. It dont phase phuggs who dont work or pay taxes......
Us having cash in our pocket i a loophole to them. They want it ALL so they can dole it out as they see fit. Basically, they view us as revenue slaves. We need to fuggen clean house and be rid of these greedy bastards.
Almost like some states took it as a cue to enact schitt After President Trump eased up fed tax and regs . To get their dickbeaters into that freed up income source.
My reference was to Cash Is King It is state and fed......dipping into the business checking 2-3 times weekly! You don't send them fuggers a check, they swoop into your account and take it.
Wyoming's Senator Enzi was a key player in the States right to have out of state business collect their sales tax for them. His explanation was that it "Levels the playing field for "Brick & Mortar stores, so they can compete with on-line vendors". Good work Enzi, now the folks who buy on-line have to pay sales tax in addition to shipping charges. Greedy reckless spending sunsabeaches in government.
That no state income tax isn't such a great deal when the state sales tax rate is double the surrounding states. We haul everything we can think of down from VA when we come down where the rate is nearly 1/2
The savings difference was not paying tn sales tax rate before this even with everything else included. Tn state sales tax is around 9.5 ish We dont have state income tax . They bring that up every so often also. Just a matter of when on that one too.....
Never enough tax revenue for em.... All it does is screw the working and the retired. It dont phase phuggs who dont work or pay taxes......
Will Maine not let you return?
^^^^^^^^^ "You are ignoring this user without using the safespace button no one pays attention to AOD the AOC of the fire anyways".
If sales tax and shipping makes an item cost more online that local, why the hell are you buying it?
Three reasons to shop online:
Price Scarcity Convenience
^^^^^^^ Do you not understand what has been posted on this thread. What you just wrote is exactly the point.... Their are no more savings to be had online versus local in states collecting this tax now.
Snap shot of meat of thread again for ya.
Firearm online cost, shipping, state tax and receiving ffl use fee and background check fee which is usually 25 combined (10 for bg check and 15 for ffl use)
Vesus Local cost , tax and 10 dollar background check.
Even with shipping and receiving ffl and back ground check fee You saved money on the sales tax not being added.
Come on up to the north. Good ol Washington decided you are screwing us to much, so now you get to pay sales tax just like the rest of us. BUT us Washington border town residents can still go to Oregon and shop tax free.
Come on up to the north. Good ol Washington decided you are screwing us to much, so now you get to pay sales tax just like the rest of us. BUT us Washington border town residents can still go to Oregon and shop tax free.
Don't let Inslee's revenuers catch you crossing the river with a contraband refrigerator.
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
The less we buy, the less taxes they have to give away, the more grateful the hobos bums (hobos work sometimes) will be for the pennies you toss them.
Besides that, one of the threads the other day mentioned ave household income is up $4000 a year. Yippee!. Even if they take half that means there's still $2000 to buy barrels and shiedt, right?
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
Schit never stops........
That really gets a fella's goat, when they move because of work. Work for one of the money sucking leeches called gooberment.
Now, lest y'all forget, the real purpose of the filthy lucre we so doggedly pursue and grudgingly dole out:
Think of every dime you give away in taxes as a private "stimulus program", if it makes you feel better.
Them po' folks and government employees (yep, even the DMV ones), and especially them rotten politicians, spend money on groceries, beer, smokes, contractors, fishin' poles, and such. Keeps the 'conomy going, doncha know.
Geno
PS, I don't think of my taxes as a stimulus program, the only thing it stimulates in me is more wonder at where it's all goin'.
I buy online mostly because stores carry what they think I ought to buy, not what I want. In most cases, tax is cheaper than gas too, and time matters to me more than pinching the last fuggin' nickel.
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
Schit never stops........
That really gets a fella's goat, when they move because of work. Work for one of the money sucking leeches called gooberment.
Geno
Espeically with vehicles . They make it sound oh not so bad with the little reduced formula to sock ya for sales tax basically for their state when you go to register it . Luckily mil and fed employees are exempt based on relocations per job or duty requirements Once ya retire though. it is a different story.
I buy online mostly because stores carry what they think I ought to buy, not what I want. In most cases, tax is cheaper than gas too, and time matters to me more than pinching the last fuggin' nickel.
Nickels and a 9.4 something state sales tax are way different things.
Savings of 50 to 100 bucks or better just based on a sales tax for a item online, with a tax collection effort just enacted that ya didnt have ta pay before aint nickels.....
I will buy hard to find stuff online still no matter what. But say im looking for a 800 dollar rifle that is common. Online will not be an option anymore . Local 10 dollar back ground check and sales tax with item cost . Save ya money without the shipping and receiving ffl fee added from an online
Unless you run into massive sales as they occur which many sporting industry online sites have. Something they might have ta do more often now if their volume of online sales goes down based on this now happening.
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
Schit never stops........
That really gets a fella's goat, when they move because of work. Work for one of the money sucking leeches called gooberment.
Geno
Espeically with vehicles . They make it sound oh not so bad with the little reduced formula to sock ya for sales tax basically for their state when you go to register it . Luckily mil and fed employees are exempt based on relocations per job or duty requirements Once ya retire though. it is a different story.
Well, some of the states I went to didn't include fed employees, at least not those of us who elected to move for advancement purposes.
Fuggers even charged me on my little rowboat, because it needed the stickers.
Oh well, even when we manage to elect some "conservatives" , they still manage to find a way to get our money.
Virginia is quite serious about getting it's blood from citizens.
A local car dealer[huge with dealerships in several states] moved his residence to FL about 10 years back for tax purposes, after 3 years or so Virginia sent him a state income tax bill for all of the years since he had 'moved', upon his balking at this the state immediately produced all of his flight plans where he was flying back and forth on his personal plane while stating that he was spending enough time in Virginia that they were not accepting his FL residence status. He died last year and the fight is continuing between state and family.
Virginia is quite serious about getting it's blood from citizens.
A local car dealer[huge with dealerships in several states] moved his residence to FL about 10 years back for tax purposes, after 3 years or so Virginia sent him a state income tax bill for all of the years since he had 'moved', upon his balking at this the state immediately produced all of his flight plans where he was flying back and forth on his personal plane while stating that he was spending enough time in Virginia that they were not accepting his FL residence status. He died last year and the fight is continuing between state and family.
Dude wasnt smart about physical residence issues. Or maybe he thought he was.
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
Schit never stops........
That really gets a fella's goat, when they move because of work. Work for one of the money sucking leeches called gooberment.
Geno
Espeically with vehicles . They make it sound oh not so bad with the little reduced formula to sock ya for sales tax basically for their state when you go to register it . Luckily mil and fed employees are exempt based on relocations per job or duty requirements Once ya retire though. it is a different story.
Well, some of the states I went to didn't include fed employees, at least not those of us who elected to move for advancement purposes.
Fuggers even charged me on my little rowboat, because it needed the stickers.
Oh well, even when we manage to elect some "conservatives" , they still manage to find a way to get our money.
Move into a state with value added sales tax on their books and see how ya get hosed on tax again for major items you already paid tax on from another state.
Schit never stops........
That really gets a fella's goat, when they move because of work. Work for one of the money sucking leeches called gooberment.
Geno
Espeically with vehicles . They make it sound oh not so bad with the little reduced formula to sock ya for sales tax basically for their state when you go to register it . Luckily mil and fed employees are exempt based on relocations per job or duty requirements Once ya retire though. it is a different story.
Well, some of the states I went to didn't include fed employees, at least not those of us who elected to move for advancement purposes.
Fuggers even charged me on my little rowboat, because it needed the stickers.
Oh well, even when we manage to elect some "conservatives" , they still manage to find a way to get our money.
Geno
I could see the loophole on voluntary for progression move Versus mandatory job/ duty requirement move.
Get ya anyway they can.
Teams of fuggers working in tax comptrollers offices nationwide Just looking for the smallest obscure schit they can for revenue
Then passed along to legislstors at all levels who have a vague clue and understanding of its origination to sponser and enact.
in utah they couldn't wait to get people paying the online sales tax. I was pretty surprised that no one around here seemed to give a crap about it. In fact many said oh you were supposed to be doing the honor system and paying it with your tax return. which no one ever actually did. As if some how this makes it all wonderful. Its actually a very significant tax increase all things considered. 5-6k spend on, online stuff is going to ding you for nearly $500 bucks.
the push in utah is they want to hurry up and "reform" taxes before all the new revenue is recorded. Currently they are crying about sales taxes lagging, They want to change the tax law before the new numbers come in with online sales taxes.
There is still a way to avoid it. buy used on ebay.
All these schitbags charging it are bootlicking lackeys, including BCM.
It's not even LAW yet.
Well their goes the socom profile barrel m4 upper i had contemplated from them.
I didn't let it stop me... this time.
Well it is what it is now. Get one eventually thru a shop here local . 3% mark up to order one Still save money probably over the online rate with tax.
Did ya get complete upper with bcg and c handle 550ish ? after everything
Add ons from drop down menu stuff also ???
You can tailor em some what.
Been thinking aero upper and lower with a ballistic advantage barrel also.
Choices, choices , choices.......
Or just pick up something really decent at a gun show resident to resident sale. Plenty of guys going in em with stuff on their shoulder or in their hands.
Add ons from drop down menu stuff also ??? BCG and charging handle.
You can tailor em some what.
Been thinking aero upper and lower with a ballistic advantage barrel also.
Choices, choices , choices.......
Or just pick up something really decent at a gun show resident to resident sale. Plenty of guys going in em with stuff on their shoulder or in their hands.
Email response from BCM when I questioned them charging tax.
While FL doesn’t currently have a law requiring online sellers with no other connections to the state to register with them and charge sales tax, we do have connections to the state that may trigger nexus. We felt it was prudent to register with FL and charge sales tax. This has the added benefit of providing the convenience of taking care of our customer’s tax obligation at the same time as the sale instead of them having to report it as USE tax at the end of the year.
Add ons from drop down menu stuff also ??? BCG and charging handle.
You can tailor em some what.
Been thinking aero upper and lower with a ballistic advantage barrel also.
Choices, choices , choices.......
Or just pick up something really decent at a gun show resident to resident sale. Plenty of guys going in em with stuff on their shoulder or in their hands.
Email response from BCM when I questioned them charging tax.
While FL doesn’t currently have a law requiring online sellers with no other connections to the state to register with them and charge sales tax, we do have connections to the state that may trigger nexus. We felt it was prudent to register with FL and charge sales tax. This has the added benefit of providing the convenience of taking care of our customer’s tax obligation at the same time as the sale instead of them having to report it as USE tax at the end of the year.
Dang, that was written by a really good manager.
He/she could go far as a politician.
"We're doing it to help you"..........................yeah right.
I talked to a lady at Target Sports and she said a lot of people think they are just pocketing the extra money since the law was not really in effect when they started charging it.
I said it is suspicious that you would charge it before it's required. She said it's inevitable that it's coming. I said why would you charge it before you have to, no wonder people are suspicious. I also asked how they were going to handle all the paperwork. She said they were getting some new software that automated it. I asked how are you handling it now without the software. She just mumbled something I couldn't understand. Put me in the suspicious that they are just keeping it for now catagory.
A business must meet an annual sales amount in a state before they have to collect. The threshold in Idaho is $100,000 a year in sales to Idaho. I wonder how many smaller businesses meet it. I wonder if Target Sports sells $100,000 a year worth of ammo in Idaho. I'm the only one I know here that orders from them and I don't buy that much.
Renegade05: You are right on with your contention that the "extra" money collected will go to more and more welfare dependent demonrat scum suckers! Your mistake is choosing to live in a state with a sales tax! You would not believe the number of my friends, acquaintances and relatives that prefer to shop in Montana because we have no sales tax. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I purposefully drove to another state to save $2500 in sales tax when I bought my tractor last year.
Can one still do that? I submit to those of superior intelligence and stayinsidedness tendencies for the answer.
If you need a tractor then you most likely own enough land to qualify for a green belt exemption which then means you can apply for a sales tax exempt card.
eBay does it. I got hammered on a $5 watch band. Shipping was free though.
eBay doesn’t charge tax to TN residents. Must be the sellers screwing people.
Yup....totally screwed over. I was watching a football game with my [bleep] on the couch, then walked to the mail box a few days later and there it was.
Ebay…...depends? I buy a lot of stuff on ebay and use paypal occasionally always using the "buy it now" option. When I start to check out if the invoice shows sales tax I don't complete the buy. There is most likely another vendor at a competing price who doesn't charge sales tax. Purchased some tools in the last couple of weeks for almost $400 and none of the vendors or paypal charged me sales tax.
That is incorrect; EBay is collecting and remitting the sales tax to the states requiring it. The seller has no choice but does not have to do anything. I believe my last notification from EBay was now at 34 states. PayPal is just the money handler for the transaction; and very soon EBay will be requiring sellers to move away from a PayPal only payment model to Managed payments:
"Managed payments will be part of how sellers will run their business on eBay, and all sellers will progressively be enabled. Sellers who have joined report high satisfaction and recommend it to other sellers1.
Managed payments delivers a more streamlined experience for both buyers and sellers on eBay. Buyers have more ways to pay with credit, debit and gift cards, Apple Pay, Google Pay, PayPal, and PayPal Credit. Sellers have one place to sell and get paid, with payouts automatically deposited to their bank account. "
Sales Tax Policy: "As you may be aware, 11 new states have adopted Internet Sales Tax policies as of October 1, bringing the total to 34 states that now require the collection of sales tax. As the impact of this tax law becomes more apparent, PayPal and eBay are making changes that will make Internet Sales Tax collection less complex for buyers and for you.
Starting in November 2019, the way taxable transactions are processed and how taxes are collected for remittance will change, as follows: In states where eBay is required to collect Internet Sales Tax from buyers, order totals sent for processing will reflect the gross order amount inclusive of tax. Once settled, the tax amount will be automatically deducted for remittance to the applicable taxing authority. A record of the sales tax portion of the order will be available on the Seller Hub Order details page and through our Download order report. Please note the applicable tax will continue to be paid by the buyer and you do not need to take any action."
Again, I’m not being charged sales tax by eBay or PayPal. The seller is the one with the option to charge sales tax. At least you folks paying online sales tax are helping to fund local communities. Good for you, folks.
My brother just got back from Africa. Said he saw a fella squatting over a pile of rocks, smashing big ones into little ones. Then he’d trade the piles of little ones for other stuff.
If sales tax is a problem in best country on the planet, then it’s time for some plane tickets.
State’s would be nuts not to collect any and all tax from transactions made online. Avalara (AVLR) is the company that has the software most used by online retailers. The company has been good to me, SAP out of Europe is 2nd. Amazon was running the table from lack of having to monitor, collect sales tax to the States. They now put the responsibility on the vendors on their platform. Walmart is in the game now and giving Amazon all the fight they can stand, WalMart will win as they have the food vendors by the short hairs in my opinion. That’s a good thing, Seattle and the entire West Coast can fall in the Pacific.
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