Some telling quotes from the article:
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.
"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."
"I didn't think any change was going to be enough in the end and I thought it was better to work on changing how I felt about myself, than changing my body," says Ruby.
"I've seen similarities in the way I experience gender dysphoria, in the way I experience other body image issues."
Ruby explains she has also had an eating disorder but she does not feel that issue was explored in the therapy sessions she had when she went to gender identity services.
"When I was at my gender clinic to get referred for hormones, we had a session where I went over my mental health issues and I told them about my eating disorder and they didn't suggest that that could maybe connected with my gender dysphoria," says Ruby.
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust offers gender identity services for children under 18, with some patients as young as three or four years old.
They now have a record number of referrals and see 3,200% more patients than they did 10 years ago - with the increase for girls up by 5,337%.
'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex
A woman who detransitioned in 2018 says there are many people who have had gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't.
Sally Lockwood, North of England Correspondent.
Hundreds of young transgender people are seeking help to return to their original sex, a woman who is setting up a charity has told Sky News.
Charlie Evans, 28, was born female but identified as male for nearly 10 years before detransitioning.
The number of young people seeking gender transition is at an all-time high but we hear very little, if anything, about those who may come to regret their decision.
There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.
Charlie detransitioned and went public with her story last year - and said she was stunned by the number of people she discovered in a similar position.
"I'm in communication with 19 and 20-year-olds who have had full gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't, and their dysphoria hasn't been relieved, they don't feel better for it," she says.
"They don't know what their options are now."
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.
"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."
She recalls being approached by a young girl with a beard who hugged her after giving a public talk, who explained she was a destransitioned woman too.
"She said she felt shunned by the LGBT community for being a traitor. So I felt I had to do something."
Charlie is now launching a charity called The Detransition Advocacy Network, with their first meeting set to be held in Manchester at the end of the month.
Sky News went to meet one person who has contacted Charlie's network for help.
She does not want to be identified so we have changed her name.
Ruby is now 21 but first began identifying as male at 13.
After taking testosterone her voice got a lot deeper, she grew facial hair and her body changed.
She had been planning to have surgery to remove her breasts this summer.
However, in May, Ruby voiced the growing doubts she had been harbouring and made the decision to come off testosterone and detransition to identify as female.
"I didn't think any change was going to be enough in the end and I thought it was better to work on changing how I felt about myself, than changing my body," says Ruby.
"I've seen similarities in the way I experience gender dysphoria, in the way I experience other body image issues."
Ruby explains she has also had an eating disorder but she does not feel that issue was explored in the therapy sessions she had when she went to gender identity services.
"When I was at my gender clinic to get referred for hormones, we had a session where I went over my mental health issues and I told them about my eating disorder and they didn't suggest that that could maybe connected with my gender dysphoria," says Ruby.
"For everyone who has gender dysphoria, whether they are trans or not, I want there to be more options for us because I think there is a system of saying, 'okay here's your hormones, here's your surgery, off you go'. I don't think that's helpful for anyone."
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust offers gender identity services for children under 18, with some patients as young as three or four years old.
They now have a record number of referrals and see 3,200% more patients than they did 10 years ago - with the increase for girls up by 5,337%.
With referrals at a record high, it suggests cases of detransition will rise too.
In a statement, a trust spokesperson said: "Decisions about physical interventions made in our care are arrived at after a thorough exploration process. While some of our patients may decide not to pursue physical treatment or drop out of treatment, the experience of regret described here is rarely seen."
Gender transition has positive outcomes for many people and even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic.
But some believe further research and more discussion is needed in treating people with gender dysphoria, as well as more options for them than gender transition.
Some telling quotes from the article:
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust offers gender identity services for children under 18, with some patients as young as three or four years old.
An 18 year old boy can't see if he has a dick or not?? there is a gender identity service for that??
Autistic, queer and penisless is no way to go through life.
Take the lead pill, it will set you free.
Oh! But we must shift the earth on its axis to accommodate these Homo's.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
I'm sure the Democrats will oppose these kids. Free choice cannot be allowed if it conflicts with Democrat objectives to tear down America.
The current climate is that doctors, therapists and even parents are barred from even questioning a child's decision to transition. If they say they want to switch, they "must be believed" (where have you heard that before) and doctors are ethically bound to begin them on hormone treatments.
I expect that in 20 years or so there will be lots of lawsuits by people who have transitioned and will argue that they needed therapy, not hormones and surgery.
Oh hell, they are all just attention whores being needy; "I'm a gurl, cut my dick off!", "Oh NO! I was WRONG, I guess I AM a dude, please sew my dick back on!!!!", "wait, now I'm not sure!"...
And on and on and on. Euthanasia is the solution, for them, and to society's benefit in the long run...
Goosey will be along shortly, spouting the queer perspective.
John Hopkins Hospital stopped doing "sex-reassignments" awhile back. they claimed it was a "psychological problem", and needed to be treated as such. Those are some top of the line experts on this stuff. If we could beat the "parents" twice as hard as these kids, it "might" make a difference...
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lord knows I have enough troubles in life...thank God this isn't one of them.
Oh hell, they are all just attention whores being needy; "I'm a gurl, cut my dick off!", "Oh NO! I was WRONG, I guess I AM a dude, please sew my dick back on!!!!", "wait, now I'm not sure!"...
And on and on and on. Euthanasia is the solution, for them, and to society's benefit in the long run...
Goosey will be along shortly, spouting the queer perspective.
A lot of people suffering from mental illnesses in the US. Trying to act like they are normal is not the answer.
Hasbeen
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
Maybe, but I sorta think that all of us who were grown ass men in this country when this insanity first came down the pipe deserve an ass whipping for not hanging the first communist that came up with it, the first doctor to perform a dickectomy, and certainly the first politician that started pushing it.
The poor screwed up kids I have mercy upon. They needed someone to help with their mental issues, not maim and mutilate their bodies.
Stupid is pretty hard to reverse............................
MM
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Haha
We'll see if this post holds
I've mentioned this before and the Campfire homeschool parents came out to defend their un-assbeatened special little darlins.
Any doctor involved in "altering gender" through whatever means (chemical or surgical) needs to have his license taken from him.
I think they should send them home from surgery with their dicks in a jar like they used to with your tonsils.
That way they can put them up on the mantle for display. Look at em everyday they come in from Starbucks.
I liken the problem to tattoos and piercing: it's a fad. Young people think it's a cool thing to do - but have no concept of "permanent" effects. Regrets are almost guaranteed, but there's little to no chance of going back. Certainly no chance of getting back to exactly what you were.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Fugging burden to society with all the medical and mental schitt...
Who pays for all this schitt????
For the most we do every fugging april 15th.......
Cut your junk off and get a bore hole installed, or have a fugging meat puppet added and a bore hole plugged.
You are 1 fugged up individual for sure..
Fugg em ....
Let em eat fish heads....
Lepers used to be isolated on islands and other places with limited access to minimize the spread of their illness. Now that disease is being cured by antibiotics. Maybe we need to do something similar with "gender-confused" perverts until an anti-queer vaccine van be developed!
Jerry
The fact is and will always remain that from the pit of Hell lieberals who started this horrific nonsense have destroyed peoples live and deserve to be utterly destroyed as well.
Some telling quotes from the article:
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.
"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."
"I didn't think any change was going to be enough in the end and I thought it was better to work on changing how I felt about myself, than changing my body," says Ruby.
"I've seen similarities in the way I experience gender dysphoria, in the way I experience other body image issues."
Ruby explains she has also had an eating disorder but she does not feel that issue was explored in the therapy sessions she had when she went to gender identity services.
"When I was at my gender clinic to get referred for hormones, we had a session where I went over my mental health issues and I told them about my eating disorder and they didn't suggest that that could maybe connected with my gender dysphoria," says Ruby.
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust offers gender identity services for children under 18, with some patients as young as three or four years old.
They now have a record number of referrals and see 3,200% more patients than they did 10 years ago - with the increase for girls up by 5,337%.
'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex
A woman who detransitioned in 2018 says there are many people who have had gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't.
Sally Lockwood, North of England Correspondent.
Hundreds of young transgender people are seeking help to return to their original sex, a woman who is setting up a charity has told Sky News.
Charlie Evans, 28, was born female but identified as male for nearly 10 years before detransitioning.
The number of young people seeking gender transition is at an all-time high but we hear very little, if anything, about those who may come to regret their decision.
There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.
Charlie detransitioned and went public with her story last year - and said she was stunned by the number of people she discovered in a similar position.
"I'm in communication with 19 and 20-year-olds who have had full gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't, and their dysphoria hasn't been relieved, they don't feel better for it," she says.
"They don't know what their options are now."
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.
"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."
She recalls being approached by a young girl with a beard who hugged her after giving a public talk, who explained she was a destransitioned woman too.
"She said she felt shunned by the LGBT community for being a traitor. So I felt I had to do something."
Charlie is now launching a charity called The Detransition Advocacy Network, with their first meeting set to be held in Manchester at the end of the month.
Sky News went to meet one person who has contacted Charlie's network for help.
She does not want to be identified so we have changed her name.
Ruby is now 21 but first began identifying as male at 13.
After taking testosterone her voice got a lot deeper, she grew facial hair and her body changed.
She had been planning to have surgery to remove her breasts this summer.
However, in May, Ruby voiced the growing doubts she had been harbouring and made the decision to come off testosterone and detransition to identify as female.
"I didn't think any change was going to be enough in the end and I thought it was better to work on changing how I felt about myself, than changing my body," says Ruby.
"I've seen similarities in the way I experience gender dysphoria, in the way I experience other body image issues."
Ruby explains she has also had an eating disorder but she does not feel that issue was explored in the therapy sessions she had when she went to gender identity services.
"When I was at my gender clinic to get referred for hormones, we had a session where I went over my mental health issues and I told them about my eating disorder and they didn't suggest that that could maybe connected with my gender dysphoria," says Ruby.
"For everyone who has gender dysphoria, whether they are trans or not, I want there to be more options for us because I think there is a system of saying, 'okay here's your hormones, here's your surgery, off you go'. I don't think that's helpful for anyone."
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust offers gender identity services for children under 18, with some patients as young as three or four years old.
They now have a record number of referrals and see 3,200% more patients than they did 10 years ago - with the increase for girls up by 5,337%.
With referrals at a record high, it suggests cases of detransition will rise too.
In a statement, a trust spokesperson said: "Decisions about physical interventions made in our care are arrived at after a thorough exploration process. While some of our patients may decide not to pursue physical treatment or drop out of treatment, the experience of regret described here is rarely seen."
Gender transition has positive outcomes for many people and even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic.
But some believe further research and more discussion is needed in treating people with gender dysphoria, as well as more options for them than gender transition.
So...weirdos, and stupid to boot.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Hey Slummy, it's started.
I liken the problem to tattoos and piercing: it's a fad. Young people think it's a cool thing to do - but have no concept of "permanent" effects. Regrets are almost guaranteed, but there's little to no chance of going back. Certainly no chance of getting back to exactly what you were.
Uuumm...cutting out your tits and ćunt seem just a wee bit more involved than tattoos.
I knew it
Cast the mudshark treble hook out there and see what that brings in too.
laughing
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Haha
We'll see if this post holds
I've mentioned this before and the Campfire homeschool parents came out to defend their un-assbeatened special little darlins.
A boot up the arse doesn't go astray when raising difficult kids...I should know as it taught me to be really sneaky when up to no good.
A life lesson that still holds true into my fifties.
Most people today do not know that Nazi doctors did all this sexual reassignment experiments on prisoners! Its evil, "someone" is "playing God" when they do this...its sad to see a flat-butt white boy with little breasts and makeup on, fingernails, the whole bit. Its just homosexuals being used by the devil as "straight man bait". They are all so messed up, its sad. As a minister, I have dealt with many...not "one" was really happy. Not "many" even want to resist and change. All we can really do is love them as people, help them if we can, trust God with them when we can't...
Every kid is different... beatings are too gentle for some, too much for others.
As a general rule single parents do not do as good a job as couples. Painting the whole mess with a very broad brush is guaranteed to fail...
Uuumm...cutting out your tits and ćunt seem just a wee bit more involved than tattoos.
Both are degenerate but yes, wildly different.
As with most mental illnesses, gender dysphoria is made worse by being untreated, and yet worse than that by being encouraged. On the bright side the subject population has a roughly 40% suicide rate so the line at the gender restoration clinic should be self limiting.
More money to fix their own Fuuckups
All we can really do is love them as people
How does “love them as people” help a person who feels anguished by the sight of themselves in a mirror and is driven to to hysteria by being called by the wrong pronoun, to the point of having their genitals surgically mutilated and signing up for a lifetime of medicine to alter their endocrine systems?
Most people today do not know that Nazi doctors did all this sexual reassignment experiments on prisoners! Its evil, "someone" is "playing God" when they do this...its sad to see a flat-butt white boy with little breasts and makeup on, fingernails, the whole bit. Its just homosexuals being used by the devil as "straight man bait". They are all so messed up, its sad. As a minister, I have dealt with many...not "one" was really happy. Not "many" even want to resist and change. All we can really do is love them as people, help them if we can, trust God with them when we can't...
That's a nice post.
here are the 3 different sex`s in humans
MALE
FEMALE
MENTALLY DISTURBED
Heck, I'm having a heckuva time just returning to sex period.
All this sexual misfit mess is a mental disorder. No wonder kids are going off their nut and killing people, They can't even figure out what they are. Congress and the media have cross boundaries that no one should have ever crossed and the judicial has codified it. It's sickening.
What will these folks do for jobs now that the Circuses are all going out of business?
They made their choice now they need to put on their big boy panties and live with it.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
here are the 3 different sex`s in humans
MALE
FEMALE
MENTALLY DISTURBED
^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
Parenting has become such a lost art.......
Once the socialist communist are in control they have no use for these people and remove them.
I'll agree with the spanking James. If more kids these days got them early then the.police wouldnt be having to deal with them later.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
So, beating a child is showing him/her the difference between right and wrong?
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
[quote=260Remguy][quote=JamesJr]If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
Do you consider "spanking" the same as "hitting"?
Parenting has become such a lost art.......
My mama could stand at the stove and beat my ass with a wooden spoon and go back to stirrin the mac-n-cheese on the burner all in one fluid motion.
And hell I turned out just fine
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
So, beating a child is showing him/her the difference between right and wrong?
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
^^^^Wow, just wow. "Turning in" a parent who disciplines their own child in a way you dont agree with! No wonder CPS is too busy and doesnt have enough resources to deal with alot of the cases that actually need it
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
So, beating a child is showing him/her the difference between right and wrong?
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
Did you even raise any children? Or a lifelong incel?
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
So, beating a child is showing him/her the difference between right and wrong?
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
Did you even raise any children? Or a lifelong incel?
2 of my own and 2 fosters.
My daughter is finishing her MA at Northwestern and has been accepted into a PhD program at Cornell.
My son has been accepted at Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missour S&T, Nebraska-Lincoln, and Nebraska-Omaha. Waiting to hear from Colorado School of Mines, Illinois-Champaign/Urbana, and Purdue. He wants to go to CSM, but I'd like to see him go to KSU 'cause it would be tuition free without any GPA requirement.
Our 2-year foster graduated from the USAF Academy and is doing cyber-security, just promoted ahead of her class to O-4.
Our 4-year foster graduated from Texas A&M with an civil engineering degree, he works for Halliburton as a petroleum engineer.
All are good kids who are, or will be, self-sufficient and contributing to society.
So, how many folk have you reported under your 'no-tolerance' policy?
5 that I recall, maybe more.
5 that I recall, maybe more.
Again I would like to ask: do you consider spanking the same as hitting?
5 that I recall, maybe more.
Again I would like to ask: do you consider spanking the same as hitting?
Yes, but none of the people who I reported to CPS were being spanked, 1 was a 13 year old girl who was being sexually abused by her Mother's boyfriend and 4 were boys who had been beaten by a Father, Step-Father, or Mother's Boyfriend.
EDIT: The girl was on one of my daughter's softball team.
The boys were on three of my son's baseball teams. 3 of the boys had been beaten with a belt or strap across their backs or the backs of their legs. 1 boy had been punched in the face and had a black eye and a broken cheekbone.
5 that I recall, maybe more.
Again I would like to ask: do you consider spanking the same as hitting?
Yes, but none of the people who I reported to CPS were being spanked, 1 was a 13 year old girl who was being sexually abused by her Mother's boyfriend and 4 were boys who had been beaten by a Father, Step-Father, or Mother's Boyfriend.
EDIT: The girl was on one of my daughter's softball team.
The boys were on three of my son's baseball teams. 3 of the boys had been beaten with a belt or strap across their backs or the backs of their legs. 1 boy had been punched in the face and had a black eye and a broken cheekbone.
Shyt I guess my parents and grandparents were child abusers. Grandma in particular was damned handy with grandpa's razor strap. Guess I was guilty of it too cuz I wailed my kids asses when they needed it. None of mine ever got into any trouble with the law and all 6 of them are gainfully employed and living on their own. None of them turned out queer or had any gender confusion or reassignment surgery either.
All we can really do is love them as people
How does “love them as people” help a person who feels anguished by the sight of themselves in a mirror and is driven to to hysteria by being called by the wrong pronoun, to the point of having their genitals surgically mutilated and signing up for a lifetime of medicine to alter their endocrine systems?
My point is that you "can only do so much" with someone who does not want help. Most have "their own idea" of what "help" is. You can't teach anyone who is unteachable. Giving in to their mental illness or their own plan for their life isn't helping them. I don't believe we are to throw out the Bible and compromise our own moral Principles just to "make someone FEEL better". So, long way to say that I can only offer the help that I have, and if they can't abide that, well they are free to choose what they want. But everyone's choice has consequences. And I can still love them and treat them with dignity as "people". Just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to be disagreeable.
I have even done the research and found excellent "trained/licensed" Therapists ( those that know more than I do in these areas) and its up to the person to go. You can't make them...but you can love them ( with the Love of the Lord I mean).
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Had a family that used to help me some on the farm a number of years ago. They were your typical White Trash, who were on welfare and food stamps, but would work for cash when they had blown the government check. They had a 6 year old boy, who needed an azz whipping worse than any kid I've ever seen. The parents would not even try to correct him. One day they didn't show up for work, and it was about 3 days before I saw them. They'd took the kid to a "friendly" doctor, got him diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Disorder, got him on the drug Ritalin, then got a check for the kid being that way from the welfare office, and to top it off, got a check for a sister so she could paid to babysit the kid.
The reason they hadn't been at work was because they'd been out spending the check. That was about 25 ago, and I saw the kid after he'd grown up...........purple hair, tats and piercings all over........and a now he was a queer. All the little chit needed was his little azz wore out whenever he'd throw a tantrum, and he might have had whatever chance of being normal that would have been possible, given the environment he lived in.
Kids are going to be kids, and when these kids are allowed to do whatever they want to do, without any parental supervision or discipline, they rarely turn out good. A good spanking never hurt anyone, and usually got your attention. These kids weren't born "different," they made themselves that way as a matter of choice. Had they had a loving set of parents, who cared about them, and more importantly.......showed them the difference between right and wrong, chances are they wouldn't identify as LGBTQ now.
So, beating a child is showing him/her the difference between right and wrong?
I would never hit a child and have nothing but contempt for any adult who would do so. Hitting a child is child abuse, pure and simple, and if I saw it happen, I would report it to the Child Protective Services.
There is a very big difference between abusing a child and spanking a child in order to discipline them, and if you don't know that, you must be a self-righteous person. I don't know how you parented your kids, and don't really give a chit, but just as I don't stick my nose into how other parents raise theirs, I don't want people sticking their noses into how I raised mine. Also, if someone had ever turned me in for legitimately disciplining one of my kids, revenge on my part would have been sweet.
I have heard people brag about how they raised their children, and never had to discipline them, and how those children turned out perfect......and the majority of the time, it was only in the eyes of those parents that the children were "perfect." Most of the time those kids turned out to be spoiled, rotten, little brats.
I've never laid a hand on a child with the intent on hurting that child. I have administered a few spankings that consisted of a few whacks on the butt with a switch or my hand.......and I can count the number of times I did that on one hand. There is a thing called common sense, and this thread clearly shows who has it, and who doesn't.
2 of the people who I reported to CPS were subsequently investigated, arrested, charged, and either convicted, or plead guilty, to felonies.
I'm not worried about revenge 'cause the great majority of people who abuse children are ignorant cowards and in the cases of the 5 that I've been involved with were drunks, drug users, or both.
I hope that your common sense has served you well, I know that mine has.
I'm with you 260- I have been threatened by wife-beaters so many times. I never once had one step up. But I got that woman/kids out of that nightmare!
Refusing to spank a child when needed is one more step in turning away from the Lord. The Bible admonishes us to use discipline to train children to be good adults.
2 of the people who I reported to CPS were subsequently investigated, arrested, charged, and either convicted, or plead guilty, to felonies.
I'm not worried about revenge 'cause the great majority of people who abuse children are ignorant cowards and in the cases of the 5 that I've been involved with were drunks, drug users, or both.
I hope that your common sense has served you well, I know that mine has.
You still have not answered my question, instead all you do is to refer to anyone that disciplines a child as being an abuser, or a wife beater, a drunk, a druggies, etc. etc.
So, I'm typing this slowly because I don't think you can read very well..........what does it hurt a child who does wrong, to get a little swat on the azz to correct them?
I'm thinking you're trying to come off as holier than thou, when in fact I'd say you're one of those people who just like to pass judgment on others, hiding behind a computer screen.
I'm old. I would like to return to original sex too!
Nope, there are 3 kinds of sex: Commercial, Personal Use, and Sport.
Sooner or later, all 3 will get you in trouble.
Mix and Match?
Just shoot yourself.
I'm old. I would like to return to original sex too!
Nope, there are 3 kinds of sex: Commercial, Personal Use, and Sport.
Sooner or later, all 3 will get you in trouble.
Mix and Match?
Just shoot yourself.
You left out subsistance... when you just barely get enough to get by on...
With personal use do you just use it a bit when available and fresh but throw it away each spring?
2 of the people who I reported to CPS were subsequently investigated, arrested, charged, and either convicted, or plead guilty, to felonies.
I'm not worried about revenge 'cause the great majority of people who abuse children are ignorant cowards and in the cases of the 5 that I've been involved with were drunks, drug users, or both.
I hope that your common sense has served you well, I know that mine has.
You still have not answered my question, instead all you do is to refer to anyone that disciplines a child as being an abuser, or a wife beater, a drunk, a druggies, etc. etc.
So, I'm typing this slowly because I don't think you can read very well..........what does it hurt a child who does wrong, to get a little swat on the azz to correct them?
I'm thinking you're trying to come off as holier than thou, when in fact I'd say you're one of those people who just like to pass judgment on others, hiding behind a computer screen.
I don't believe in using violence against children, women, or lessor people. I think that there is a pretty clean line between a little swat and whipping a child with a belt so hard that it raises welts or punching a child anywhere, much less in the face and breaking a bone. Please note that I never referred or inferred that "anyone that disciplines a child as being an abuser, a wife beater, a drunk, a druggies, etc. etc.", I said that the people involved in the 5 cases that I was involved in were.
Everyone judges everyone else. I didn't hide behind a computer when I went to court in the case that went before a judge and will do so again if the situation presents itself. I don't go out of my way to look for trouble, but I don't shy away from it either. In the 5 cases that I cited, I asked the teams' head coaches to get involved since they were in positions of authority, but when they wouldn't, I stepped up.
ummm... If you're screwed up enough to cut the tree and split the stump, how the hell could you expect to reverse such a horrific mutilation?
The "Professionals" who misguided these kids should be held accountable. They misuse these kids in a lame attempt to normalize their own f^#%ed-up urges and insecurities.
Oh hell, they are all just attention whores being needy; "I'm a gurl, cut my dick off!", "Oh NO! I was WRONG, I guess I AM a dude, please sew my dick back on!!!!", "wait, now I'm not sure!"...
And on and on and on.
Exactly
Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd live to see the insanity we tolerate these days.
I've about wore my neck out from shaking my head.
Edit; How exactly does this "reassignment" thing work anyway.
Do they save their peckers in a fruit jar just in case they decide to sew em back on?
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Yes, time and experience have shown that the spanking, etc. (corporal punishment) of a malleable young person will cause them to think about their behavior and change it - as in lying, stealing, cheating, hitting others, etc., etc.
I would not proclaim that a whipping or 10 would correct the mental state of a person who thinks they need to be physically converted to the opposite sex (or something somewhere in between) but I am fairly certain that parents and relatives (and "counselors") of young children are doing serious harm if they encourage such positioning by the kid. I believe they would do better for the kid by helping her/him seriously and carefully question the aberrant inclination and by explaining the potential consequences of such a radical change - all accomplished in healthy ways, of course..
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Yes, time and experience have shown that the spanking, etc. (corporal punishment) of a malleable young person will cause them to think about their behavior and change it - as in lying, stealing, cheating, hitting others, etc., etc.
I would not proclaim that a whipping or 10 would correct the mental state of a person who thinks they need to be physically converted to the opposite sex (or something somewhere in between) but I am fairly certain that parents and relatives (and "counselors") of young children are doing serious harm if they encourage such positioning by the kid. I believe they would do better for the kid by helping her/him seriously and carefully question the aberrant inclination and by explaining the potential consequences of such a radical change - all accomplished in healthy ways, of course..
Great response.
Most people today do not know that Nazi doctors did all this sexual reassignment experiments on prisoners! Its evil, "someone" is "playing God" when they do this...its sad to see a flat-butt white boy with little breasts and makeup on, fingernails, the whole bit. Its just homosexuals being used by the devil as "straight man bait". They are all so messed up, its sad. As a minister, I have dealt with many...not "one" was really happy. Not "many" even want to resist and change. All we can really do is love them as people, help them if we can, trust God with them when we can't...
I think this might be the best summation of the situation that I have read so far. Cheers NC
A large part of the situation isn't even being looked into or discussed from the viewpoint of the original poster. Plastic (Ok now that all the jokes are out of the way)
The entire world, but especially "modern" countries who use large amounts of disposable plastics are being "estrogened " poisoned. Estrogen toxicity. Releasing agents and "food" additives which resemble estradiol from a thing called the SAR, or structural activity relationship. These mimic estradiol in changing the body, in both form and function. So if a male at a young age is "toxed" through out the development phase, and gender (this case female) psychologically behavior you see what has been culminating for the last 20 years.
Females and males have the same sex hormones, different ratios. Changes with age as everybody knows, question is how. Not until the "discovery" of aromatase inhibitors has the "picture" filled out.
Todays kid, on average, are more healthy, have better food, and as a result more body mass. In girls more testosterone its seen as bigger, more muscular and more athletic.
Both sexes convert the excess to estradiol. In older men this is good as estradiol is cardioprotective, and has age enhancing features. Older guys with those long white beards is a result of estradiol not test. These inter play with DHEA (makes pimples) and DHT conversion makes you bald in both sexes.
In young males incredible amt. of test can be produced, and the excess can be converted to high levels of estrogen. Deep bushy eyebrows, smooth skin that should be on old ladies, (they have high levels of protein bound test-another topic). Another conversion route is to an analog of E2 called E1 or estrone. This causes that little pillow cushion of fat below the belly button and man boobs. (Also converts fructose to body fat-another topic), and doesn't help the testis drop. Historically this was treated with HCG which causes the testis to drop and more testosterone to be made. Which increases the problem even more.
Body builders soon learned that if they took armotase inhibitors with the testosterone injections, they could avoid the side effects of estrogen build up.
This is where the term "roid rage" came from, excess estrogen, not testosterone, exactly what causes PMS in females who don't have enough progesterone. (another topic.)
If you think your not a product of the chemical interactions in your body, think again, if they are out of balance so is the behavior.
If you want to see a good example of high estradiol conversion, man boobs, and estrone pillow belly
Look at any statue of Budda. This is the story behind Budda.
I learned not to call my stepmom a bitch after my azzhole father beat my ass with a coalminers belt at 1 AM.
A large part of the situation isn't even being looked into or discussed from the viewpoint of the original poster. Plastic (Ok now that all the jokes are out of the way)
The entire world, but especially "modern" countries who use large amounts of disposable plastics are being "estrogened " poisoned. Estrogen toxicity. Releasing agents and "food" additives which resemble estradiol from a thing called the SAR, or structural activity relationship. These mimic estradiol in changing the body, in both form and function. So if a male at a young age is "toxed" through out the development phase, and gender (this case female) psychologically behavior you see what has been culminating for the last 20 years.
Females and males have the same sex hormones, different ratios. Changes with age as everybody knows, question is how. Not until the "discovery" of aromatase inhibitors has the "picture" filled out.
Todays kid, on average, are more healthy, have better food, and as a result more body mass. In girls more testosterone its seen as bigger, more muscular and more athletic.
Both sexes convert the excess to estradiol. In older men this is good as estradiol is cardioprotective, and has age enhancing features. Older guys with those long white beards is a result of estradiol not test. These inter play with DHEA (makes pimples) and DHT conversion makes you bald in both sexes.
In young males incredible amt. of test can be produced, and the excess can be converted to high levels of estrogen. Deep bushy eyebrows, smooth skin that should be on old ladies, (they have high levels of protein bound test-another topic). Another conversion route is to an analog of E2 called E1 or estrone. This causes that little pillow cushion of fat below the belly button and man boobs. (Also converts fructose to body fat-another topic), and doesn't help the testis drop. Historically this was treated with HCG which causes the testis to drop and more testosterone to be made. Which increases the problem even more.
Body builders soon learned that if they took armotase inhibitors with the testosterone injections, they could avoid the side effects of estrogen build up.
This is where the term "roid rage" came from, excess estrogen, not testosterone, exactly what causes PMS in females who don't have enough progesterone. (another topic.)
If you think your not a product of the chemical interactions in your body, think again, if they are out of balance so is the behavior.
Very interesting stuff, thanks!
The World is sick and getting sicker.
If they'd had a good azz whipping a few times when they were growing up, and been made to act right, chances are they'd have turned out a lot better.
So the solution to keep people from declaring themselves as being LGBTQ is to beat it out of them?
Do you really think that you can change a person, make them "act right", by beating him/her?
Worth a shot.