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Posted By: mudhen In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
For some:

CULIACAN, Mexico — Mexican security forces aborted an attempt to capture a son of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman after finding themselves outgunned in a ferocious shootout with cartel henchmen that left at least eight people dead and more than 20 wounded, authorities said Friday.

The gunbattle Thursday paralyzed the capital of Mexico’s Sinaloa state, Culiacan, and left the streets littered with burning vehicles. Residents took cover indoors as automatic gunfire raged outside.

It was the third bloody and terrifying shootout in less than a week between security forces and cartel henchmen, raising questions about whether President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s policy of avoiding the use of force and focusing on social ills is working.

López Obrador defended the decision to back down, saying his predecessors’ strategy “turned this country into a cemetery, and we don’t want that anymore.”

But Mike Vigil, a former chief of international operations for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration who worked undercover in Mexico, called the violence “a massive black eye to the Mexican government” and a “sign that the cartels are more powerful” than it is.

Streets in Culiacan, a city of over 800,000, remained blocked with torched cars Friday morning, schools were closed, and some public offices asked their employees to stay home. Few buses were running.

Teresa Mercado, who had just returned to her native Culiacan on Thursday, said: “This is worse than what I had lived through years ago.”

Authorities said 35 troops arrived at a home Thursday afternoon to arrest Ovidio Guzmán López on a 2018 extradition request from the U.S. They entered the home, where Guzman and three others were inside.

Heavily armed men in greater force surrounded the house and also unleashed mayhem elsewhere, taking over toll booths and main roads into the city. Men carrying high-caliber weapons blocked major intersections.

Amid the chaos, inmates at a prison rioted, seized weapons from guards and fled. Fifty-six prisoners escaped, and 49 were still at large Friday, according to Sinaloa Public Security Secretary Cristóbal Castañeda. Two guards were taken captive and later freed.

The attacks were so brazen that Sinaloa cartel gunmen took several soldiers hostage and even attacked the housing complex where soldiers’ wives and children live.

Defense Secretary Gen. Luis Cresencio Sandoval said “they did approach the housing complex, they entered the housing complex and opened fire on the housing complex, and they abducted a civilian security guard … and a soldier in civilian clothes who was returning from leave.”

Videos on social media showed a scene resembling a war zone, with gunmen, some in black ski masks, riding in the back of trucks and firing mounted machine guns as smoke rose above the cityscape. People ran for cover as gunfire rattled around them, and motorists drove frantically in reverse, trying to escape the bullets.

Five attackers, a member of the National Guard, a civilian and a prisoner died in the gun battles, Cresencio Sandoval said. He said seven members of the security forces were wounded and eight held captive before being released unharmed.

The government’s security cabinet made the decision to withdraw the troops to avoid greater loss of life.

“The capture of one criminal cannot be worth more than the lives of people. They made the decision and I supported it,” López Obrador said. He added: “We do not want deaths. We do not want war.”

Security cabinet officials said they were not informed about the operation beforehand. They said troops surrounded the house without a search warrant and came under fire before one could be delivered, at that point deciding to enter without the warrant. And they said the troops underestimated the cartel’s response.

Sandoval said that if the security cabinet had known about the operation, it would have gone about it differently and deployed more troops and even sent air support.

“This group … rushed things. It did not consider the consequences,” he said.

It was not clear what happened to Guzmán after the troops left. Federal Security Secretary Alfonso Durazo said he was never under formal detention.

José Luis González Meza, a lawyer for the Guzman family, said Friday that the Guzmán family would cover the expenses of those wounded and killed.

“In this case, the family apologizes to the people of Sinaloa, and particularly to the people of Culiacan,” González Meza told a news conference in Mexico City. “They will take care (of the expenses) of the wounded and the dead … however many there were, man, no problem, they will help them economically.”

Juan Pablo Badillo, a lawyer who represents the drug lord in Mexico, praised López Obrador, saying Ovidio Guzman was freed “by a manly order, an intelligent order, a sensible order from President Andrés Manuel López Obrador.”

José Reveles, the author of several books on the Sinaloa cartel, said the operation was done clumsily from both an operational and a political standpoint.

“If the government says it did not know anything, that’s absolutely unheard of, and especially for an operation of this magnitude,” Reveles said. “If you’re going to do an operation of this size, you should do it right — guard all flanks, add security in the prison.”

At the same time, he allowed that “doing a surgical operation there is impossible; the strength of the Sinaloa cartel was made clear.”

Vigil, the former DEA agent, worried that the retreat could lead to more bloodshed.

“This is going to set an example for the other groups,” Vigil said. “It sends them the message that if they capture a member of the cartel, all they have to do is go in the city and intimidate the citizenry and security forces.”

On Friday, the defense department announced it was flying two planeloads with 230 army special forces troops into Culiacan as reinforcements.

The elder Guzman is serving a life sentence in the U.S. after being convicted last February of industrial-scale drug trafficking.

Ovidio is not one of the drug lord’s best-known sons. Iván Archivaldo Guzmán and Jesús Alfredo Guzmán are known as “Los Chapitos,” or “the little Chapos,” and are believed to be running their father’s cartel together with Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada.

But Ovidio Guzmán was indicted in 2018 in Washington, along with a fourth brother, on charges of trafficking cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana.

Gun battles between gangs and security forces are relatively common in Mexico, but this week has seen three notable and frightening clashes. On Monday, 13 police officers were killed in a cartel ambush in the state of Michoacán, and the following day soldiers killed 14 gunmen while losing one of their own in neighboring Guerrero state.
Posted By: 19352012 Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
No wonder why they keep coming. Leaving that hell to come here, we all would do the same exact thing.
Originally Posted by 19352012
No wonder why they keep coming. Leaving that hell to come here, we all would do the same exact thing.




Where do you think they would go if they absolutely knew they would be repatriated to MX if they crossed into the US illegally?

Let me help you with that... Nowhere.
They are bringing this crap to our country as we speak. I sure am glad to have them here. crazy
Posted By: tdbob Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Latin America, a series of failed states.
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Mike Vigil, a former chief of international operations for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration who worked undercover in Mexico, called the violence “a massive black eye to the Mexican government” and a “sign that the cartels are more powerful” than it is.




the drug war is lost


https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/07...-clinton-foundation-connected-bank-hsbc/
In Mexico i learned that the Government is the Cartel and the Cartel is the Government, its one and the same thing.
Posted By: hanco Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Complete corruption there!
Posted By: Paul39 Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
With total predictability, the report had to include a sensational and ill-defined reference to "high caliber weapons."

They do it every time.

Paul
Posted By: JeffyD Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
...so, as I understand it, they captured Guzman, then let him go. Same method DA Krasner uses to fight crime in Philadelphia. Seems to be working beautifully.
Posted By: IZH27 Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Real Mexican Roberto needs to go down there and do some confiscations or buy-backs.
#non-illegalsmattertoo.
Posted By: ol_mike Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Originally Posted by 19352012
No wonder why they keep coming. Leaving that hell to come here, we all would do the same exact thing.

WRONG - WE wouldn't put up with that sch-it in our towns .
Some people will lay around taking a siesta's while their community is taken over by criminals who bring a little money into their community . As long as the brown local people are beneifitting a little from the money - everything is A-ok .
Everybody wants to ride whitey's shirt-tail - no such thing as 'magic dirt' and that's a fact .
ALL immigration of brown/black people has to stop 100% STOP this country is at a tipping point - don't think it's not and President Trump can't save it !!
So what is the fix now if the cartels are more powerful than the gubermint?
Mushrooms
Posted By: TimZ Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
That's the difference between AMLO and Trump. AMLO doesn't understand that once you have lost the rule of law, it's over. Trump would have sent a division of tanks in the next day and wiped them out......
Posted By: ingwe Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
I'm honestly surprised they could gather up enough military and LEOs who weren't on the cartel payroll to run an attempt like this...
Posted By: ingwe Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Originally Posted by watch4bear

the drug war is lost





It was lost long ago....we have constantly tried to dry up the SUPPLY side of things, which can't be done due to corruption on both sides of the border...going all the way to the top.


If we really wanted to wage war on drugs we would dry up the DEMAND side of the equation. Get rid of those who use it....but we aren't prepared to do that as a society.
Well, they probably had the Navy/Marines.
The Army/law enforcement are who notified the
Cartel that the operation was happening.
Posted By: 22250rem Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Are you sure this isn't fake news?...... How could this occur in a nation with such tight gun control laws ?.............. (insert sarcasm icon here).
Originally Posted by ingwe


If we really wanted to wage war on drugs we would dry up the DEMAND side of the equation. Get rid of those who use it....but we aren't prepared to do that as a society.


"We" is a broad scope. I'm willing to do more than my share, gratis.

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Posted By: Kenneth Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
There's a video on facebook,

things got real...
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Mushrooms


Yep. Big cloud like ones!
Posted By: Gus Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
the dogs of war.

who keeps them leashed?

who runs the kennels and related?

who wants to be poor when there's money to be made?
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Get rid of those who use it....but we aren't prepared to do that as a society.



You mean legalize drugs and euthanasia? After all, its their body.
Posted By: Gus Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Originally Posted by watch4bear
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Get rid of those who use it....but we aren't prepared to do that as a society.



You mean legalize drugs and euthanasia?


drugs are already legalized. just sayin'

poppies grown in afghanistan are protected.

the ripples of change are moving through the system.
Posted By: 700LH Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
The American news origination and Liberals wants America to solve Syria' border problems and leave ours wide open
The only way to stop drugs is to make it too dangerous to deal or to remove the profit. Removing the profit is impossible. Make it too dangerous to deal? The liberals want to eliminate prisons and just 'rehab' the criminals. What a joke.
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drugs are already legalized.


Then why aren't these drug lords going to court over drug routes? Loser pays court costs.



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Posted By: Gus Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/19/19
Originally Posted by watch4bear
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drugs are already legalized.


Then why aren't these drug lords going to court over drug routes? Loser pays court costs.



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who knows what's happening in a foreign country?

in afghanistan, south america, next door in mexico.

we don't have enough boots on the ground to stop the invasion.
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we don't have enough boots on the ground to stop the invasion.



But drugs are legal? confused
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The only way to stop drugs is to make it too dangerous to deal or to remove the profit. Removing the profit is impossible. Make it too dangerous to deal? The liberals want to eliminate prisons and just 'rehab' the criminals. What a joke.


We can’t even keep drugs out of prisons or jails, the most heavily controlled “police state” imaginable. Nobody can seriously, intellectually believe that even though we can’t keep drugs out of maximum security or even “super max” facilities not to mention our jails that we can keep drugs out of our country. The druggies die every minute from OD or violence so using violence as a deterrent has proven not to work.

Alcohol, like other mind altering substances have been sought and used for millennia. To a large extent it’s part of our DNA as primal as the thrill of defeating an opponent.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
We can’t even keep drugs out of prisons or jails, the most heavily controlled “police state” imaginable. Nobody can seriously, intellectually believe that even though we can’t keep drugs out of maximum security or even “super max” facilities not to mention our jails that we can keep drugs out of our country. The druggies die every minute from OD or violence so using violence as a deterrent has proven not to work.
We don't need to keep ALL drugs out, we just need to cut down on the supply. *That* is VERY do-able.
Posted By: Joezone Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
We should run our prisons like the Russians do for at least their more secure ones. No drugs there. They put up with no bs period. It "can" be done. If you are in prison and kill another inmate (other than self defense) you should be put to death. If you are a prison guard and get involved in smuggling drugs into the system you should suffer severe consequences as far as I'm concerned. The prisoners should be treated like Joe Arpaio ran his jails in Arizona, baloney sandwiches everyday. But our liberal minded segment wouldn't go for any of these changes.
Originally Posted by Joezone
We should run our prisons like the Russians do for at least their more secure ones. No drugs there. They put up with no bs period. It "can" be done. If you are in prison and kill another inmate (other than self defense) you should be put to death. If you are a prison guard and get involved in smuggling drugs into the system you should suffer severe consequences as far as I'm concerned. The prisoners should be treated like Joe Arpaio ran his jails in Arizona, baloney sandwiches everyday. But our liberal minded segment wouldn't go for any of these changes.


Yep. Prison shouldn’t be easy.
If they had the scumbag captured, why didn't they just shoot him? It worked on Bin Laden!
Jerry
Posted By: krupp Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
Even to the most ignorant, Mexico by and large is a failed state, largely controlled by large criminal cartels. AMLO knows who's in charge and the cartels know too. Culican was merely a subtle message.

Between 2000 and 2012, the DEA met with the Sinaloa cartel on numerous occasions to obtain information on rival cartels. In exchange, they received US taxpayer money and unhindered access to bring their product across the border.

The narco war next door is good for business on either side. The resulting chaos is an excellent tool to demand more restrictive gun laws, increased surveillance and larger budgets for law enforcement. A monopoly on violence is a beautiful thing to the alphabet agencies.



Viva Santa Muerte
Originally Posted by Joezone
We should run our prisons like the Russians do for at least their more secure ones. No drugs there. They put up with no bs period. It "can" be done. If you are in prison and kill another inmate (other than self defense) you should be put to death. If you are a prison guard and get involved in smuggling drugs into the system you should suffer severe consequences as far as I'm concerned. The prisoners should be treated like Joe Arpaio ran his jails in Arizona, baloney sandwiches everyday. But our liberal minded segment wouldn't go for any of these changes.


Absolutely! I’ve watched several documentaries on the Russian system and there’s very little misbehavior in their rigid system. That’s how it should be. Unfortunately we’ve got ridiculous numbers of people incarcerated. We need to get our priorities straight because with the shear number of laws on the books.....we’re all breaking the law. It’s all about control....
Posted By: LouisB Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
With the leadership obrador showed, the war is lost for sure.

Sorry that police and military have to follow him.

Where is a hellfire when ya need one?
Posted By: Seafire Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
People don't see a connection to the Globalists world wide plan to undermine Governments, of what is going on in Mexico, is exactly what these Globalists are looking to create in the bordering United States? Creation of the Antifa Movement, allowing these gangs to invade our borders...along with a free for all with Mexican citizens coming here in droves...

Flood our nation with Mexico's social problems and pretty soon it creates American social problems the same as Mexico Has...

This is why so called liberals support all this crap..
Posted By: TomT Re: In Mexico, Life Goes on.. - 10/20/19
One of these days I’m going to get me one of those “high caliber weapons”! I checked RSR, Lipseys and Bill Hicks, but I just can’t find one. Do you guys know if they fire in “full semi-auto”? 😁

These shootouts will be happening in the US, if the Libs get their way with open borders and sanctuary cities. Abolish ICE my arse. For this reason ALONE, Piddler, gay ghost and the other left-wingnut trolls that frequent this site should STFU!
Originally Posted by Seafire
People don't see a connection to the Globalists world wide plan to undermine Governments, of what is going on in Mexico, is exactly what these Globalists are looking to create in the bordering United States? Creation of the Antifa Movement, allowing these gangs to invade our borders...along with a free for all with Mexican citizens coming here in droves...

Flood our nation with Mexico's social problems and pretty soon it creates American social problems the same as Mexico Has...

This is why so called liberals support all this crap..



John,

Didn't the Bush Administration get beat up in the press when someone leaked a military plan to invade and seize control of a "buffer zone" in northern Mexico? Security for our southern border against a failed state, now a narco dominated free fire zone.
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