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The risk of death from drug overdoses increased 486 percent for midlife women between 1999 and 2017; the risk increased 351 percent for men in that same period. Women also experienced a bigger relative increase in risk of suicide and alcohol-related liver disease.

Death rates from suicide, drug overdoses, liver disease and dozens of other causes have been rising over the past decade for young and middle-aged adults, driving down overall life expectancy in the United States for three consecutive years, according to a strikingly bleak study published Tuesday that looked at the past six decades of mortality data.
The report, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, was immediately hailed by outside researchers for its comprehensive treatment of a still-enigmatic trend: the reversal of historical patterns in longevity.
Despite spending more on health care than any other country, the United States has seen increasing mortality and falling life expectancy for people ages 25 to 64, who should be in the prime of their lives, while other wealthy nations have generally experienced continued progress in extending longevity. Although earlier research emphasized rising mortality among non-Hispanic whites, the broad trend detailed in this study cuts across gender, racial and ethnic lines. By age group, the highest relative jump in death rates from 2010 to 2017 — 29 percent — has been among people ages 25 to 34.
The findings are sure to fuel political debate about causes and potential solutions, because the geography of rising death rates overlaps to a significant extent with states and regions that are hotly contested in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election.

About a third of the estimated 33,000 “excess deaths” that the study says occurred since 2010 were in just four states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Indiana — the first two of which are critical swing states in presidential elections. The state with the biggest percentage rise in death rates among working-age people in this decade — 23.3 percent — is New Hampshire, the first primary state.
“It’s supposed to be going down, as it is in other countries,” said the lead author of the report, Steven H. Woolf, director emeritus of the Center on Society and Health at Virginia Commonwealth University. “The fact that that number is climbing, there’s something terribly wrong.”
He said many factors are at play. The opioid epidemic is a major driver of the worrisome numbers, but far from the sole cause. The study found that improvements in life expectancy, largely because of lower rates of infant mortality, began to slow in the 1980s, long before the opioid epidemic became a national tragedy.
The 33,000 excess deaths are an estimate based on the number of all-cause midlife deaths from 2010 to 2017 that would be expected if mortality was unchanged vs. the number of deaths actually recorded by medical examiners.
“Some of it may be due to obesity, some of it may be due to drug addiction, some of it may be due to distracted driving from cellphones,” Woolf said. Given the breadth and pervasiveness of the trend, “it suggests that the cause has to be systemic, that there’s some root cause that’s causing adverse health across many different dimensions for working-age adults.”

The all-cause death rate — meaning deaths per 100,000 people — rose 6 percent from 2010 to 2017 among working-age people in the United States.
Men, overall, have higher all-cause mortality than women, but the report pulls out some disturbing trends. Women are succumbing to diseases once far more common among men, even as men continue to die in greater absolute numbers.
The risk of death from drug overdoses increased 486 percent for midlife women between 1999 and 2017; the risk increased 351 percent for men in that same period. Women also experienced a bigger relative increase in risk of suicide and alcohol-related liver disease.
Increasing midlife mortality began among whites in 2010, Hispanics in 2011 and African Americans in 2014, the study states.
Outside researchers praised the study for knitting together so much research into a sweeping look at U.S. mortality trends.
“This report has universal relevance. It has broad implications for all of society,” said Howard Koh, a professor of public health at Harvard University who was not part of the research team.
The report reveals a broad erosion in health, with no single “smoking gun,” said Ellen Meara, a professor at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.
“There’s something more fundamental about how people are feeling at some level — whether it’s economic, whether it’s stress, whether it’s deterioration of family,” she said. “People are feeling worse about themselves and their futures, and that’s leading them to do things that are self-destructive and not promoting health.”
The JAMA report looked at life expectancy and mortality across the country from 1959 through 2017. Final life expectancy numbers for 2018 will soon be released by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The general trend: Life expectancy improved a great deal for several decades, particularly in the 1970s, then slowed down, leveled off, and finally reversed course after 2014, decreasing three years in a row.
The average life expectancy in the United States fell behind that of other wealthy countries in 1998 and since then, the gap has grown steadily. Experts refer to this gap as America’s “health disadvantage.”
There are some factors that manifest themselves only gradually, such as the effects of smoking. For example, in the late 1960s and early ’70s, cigarette companies aggressively marketed to women, and the health effects of that push may not show up for decades.
Princeton professors Anne Case and Angus Deaton, whose much-publicized report in 2015 highlighted the death rates in middle-aged whites, published a paper in 2017 pointing to a widening gap in health associated with levels of education, a trend dating to the 1970s. Case told reporters their research showed a “sea of despair” in the United States among people with only a high school diploma or less. She declined to comment on the new report.
Obesity is a significant part of the story. The average woman in America today weighs as much as the average man half a century ago, and men now weigh about 30 pounds more. Most people in the United States are overweight — an estimated 71.6 percent of the population ages 20 and older, according to the CDC. That figure includes the 39.8 percent who are obese, defined as having a body mass index of 30 or higher in adults (18.5 to 25 is the normal range). Obesity is also rising in children; nearly 19 percent of the population ages 2 to 19 is obese.
“These kids are acquiring obesity in their early teen years, sometimes under the age of 10,” said S. Jay Olshansky, a professor of public health at the University of Illinois at Chicago. “When they get up into their 20s, 30s and 40s, they’re carrying the risk factors of obesity that were acquired when they were children. We didn’t see that in previous generations.”
“This isn’t a one-time phenomenon,” he added. “It’s going to echo through time.”
computers, cell phones and laying on their asses till obesity takes em to the morgue!
Obesity and smoking, far too many morbidly obese young americans and smokers, vapers and e-cig users.
Many Caucasians have trouble processing the message that they're supposed to hate themselves.
MSN is cooking their numbers.

https://www.verywellmind.com/men-and-suicide-2328492

The suicide rate is highest among middle-aged white men, who accounted for almost 70% of all suicides in 2017
Also, no hope because of no faith in God. Suicide rate for below 30 is the highest ever. Emasculating of American men, especially white men.
Good the masses of ignorant youth is what will bring American down
Originally Posted by Bristoe
MSN is cooking their numbers.

https://www.verywellmind.com/men-and-suicide-2328492

The suicide rate is highest among middle-aged white men, who accounted for almost 70% of all suicides in 2017




Article is from Washington post and reposted by MSN. click on link. Writer was [email protected]
They hit a bunch of factors, but of course the AMA doesn't want to talk about one factor that is present in rural KY, possibly in the rural areas of the other three states singled out as well: piss-poor medical care. The lack of access to preventative care and specialized treatment for serious conditions in rural areas absolutely has to be a factor, imo.

To put it simply, no doctor with any viable career options wants to go slum away in podunk KY. We get the scrubs, and the weird Pakistani doctors who can't speak English and don't give a damn about the ignorant infidel hillbillies they treat. There is no preventative medicine, no health care education, no specialized medicine. Instead we get a bored, bitter muslim throwing hydrocodones at us.

I really don't think an urbanite has any idea what it is like to be ill and have to go to a rural health clinic for treatment.
Originally Posted by ldholton
Good the masses of ignorant youth is what will bring American down


Yeah, if the young durocs don't break us first on our healthcare premiums before they croak.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
MSN is cooking their numbers.

https://www.verywellmind.com/men-and-suicide-2328492

The suicide rate is highest among middle-aged white men, who accounted for almost 70% of all suicides in 2017


As soon as i saw MSN.com - the BS alarm went off in my head , of coarse it's women not young men - it's always about anybody/everybody except white males . Not that i give a sh-itt [pertaining to me] but there are a lot of young lads with no desire or dreams - their over protective parents have ruined them . Plus they've been taught that everybody is important except them by the MSM - been going on for 30-40 years .
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Also, no hope because of no faith in God. Suicide rate for below 30 is the highest ever. Emasculating of American men, especially white men.


It is sad.
I think a lot of it stems from this:

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Case told reporters their research showed a “sea of despair” in the United States among people with only a high school diploma or less.


This fuels the drug addiction, the suicides, and the suicides by overdose written off as drug related deaths.
The obama years were tough on people. He changed the American dream from building your own business to building your own bunker.

Bb
Originally Posted by auk1124
They hit a bunch of factors, but of course the AMA doesn't want to talk about one factor that is present in rural KY, possibly in the rural areas of the other three states singled out as well: piss-poor medical care. The lack of access to preventative care and specialized treatment for serious conditions in rural areas absolutely has to be a factor, imo.

To put it simply, no doctor with any viable career options wants to go slum away in podunk KY. We get the scrubs, and the weird Pakistani doctors who can't speak English and don't give a damn about the ignorant infidel hillbillies they treat. There is no preventative medicine, no health care education, no specialized medicine. Instead we get a bored, bitter muslim throwing hydrocodones at us.

I really don't think an urbanite has any idea what it is like to be ill and have to go to a rural health clinic for treatment.

Add in the bean counters at insurance companies determining what tests and treatments people get and when they can get them. My recent foray into sleep apnea has been an eye opener...
What? With free health care (sarcasm).
Originally Posted by gunner500
computers, cell phones and laying on their asses till obesity takes em to the morgue!


I agree with this.
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.
This is a question, not a statement:

Could there be a connection with the common practice of drugging young children to get them to behave rather than using patience and discipline? There used to be a lot of discussion about how many of the school shooters were on drugs for ADHD and such. What happens when these kids suddenly find themselves forced to cope with life without a chemical crutch? Do they get weaned off them when the become adults, continue to take them, get put on something else, or self-medicate with alcohol and street drugs?

What are the long term effects of drugs lime Ritalin and Adderal?
Well as for the Ohio part...we have a ridiculously huge opioid problem and those young deaths are largely made up of that.

You see an obit of a 23 year old and ask around...damn near every time it's heroin or something related.

Something like 400 deaths in my county just from that and my county isn't big and its not abnormal in the percentages of those deaths either.
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by auk1124
They hit a bunch of factors, but of course the AMA doesn't want to talk about one factor that is present in rural KY, possibly in the rural areas of the other three states singled out as well: piss-poor medical care. The lack of access to preventative care and specialized treatment for serious conditions in rural areas absolutely has to be a factor, imo.

To put it simply, no doctor with any viable career options wants to go slum away in podunk KY. We get the scrubs, and the weird Pakistani doctors who can't speak English and don't give a damn about the ignorant infidel hillbillies they treat. There is no preventative medicine, no health care education, no specialized medicine. Instead we get a bored, bitter muslim throwing hydrocodones at us.

I really don't think an urbanite has any idea what it is like to be ill and have to go to a rural health clinic for treatment.

Add in the bean counters at insurance companies determining what tests and treatments people get and when they can get them. My recent foray into sleep apnea has been an eye opener...

My wife works in sleep medicine, business end of a large sleep lab. They try to stay in the rural areas but sleep seems to be at the low end of the priority scale. And some insurance will only pay for in lab after the person fails all the cheaper home tests.
Good luck getting help with the apnea.
Life is hard. Resellience tenacity sticktoitness are all given lip service by counselors medical people. The siren call of disability and "get you a check" are the prevailing attitude. Why do I not suicide or get a check? Life is hard see what happens next(and 20 mg of feel-good) keeps me going. Better is only a day away.
Originally Posted by Pappy348
This is a question, not a statement:

Could there be a connection with the common practice of drugging young children to get them to behave rather than using patience and discipline? There used to be a lot of discussion about how many of the school shooters were on drugs for ADHD and such. What happens when these kids suddenly find themselves forced to cope with life without a chemical crutch? Do they get weaned off them when the become adults, continue to take them, get put on something else, or self-medicate with alcohol and street drugs?

What are the long term effects of drugs lime Ritalin and Adderal?


Or is it more likely that the doctors are actually treating the kids that really are more crazy, and it's the one's that begin more crazy that end up as school shooters?
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Well as for the Ohio part...we have a ridiculously huge opioid problem and those young deaths are largely made up of that.

You see an obit of a 23 year old and ask around...damn near every time it's heroin or something related.

Something like 400 deaths in my county just from that and my county isn't big and its not abnormal in the percentages of those deaths either.



The real question is, why do small counties in Ohio have such a huge youth opioid problem?
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by ldholton
Good the masses of ignorant youth is what will bring American down


Yeah, if the young durocs don't break us first on our healthcare premiums before they croak.


Without the working young, there's no one putting money into social security for you old farts.
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.


George,

I think another factor is how women, on average, don't process stress as well as men. They get into the business world and discover just how hard and stressful it really is. As they become more exposed to these stresses, their health profile begins to look more like that of men. There's a reason we, on average, die 8 years before women. As women seek to have it all, they also get all the stress that come with it, and they are not wearing it well.
Welcome to democrat 101. We've been loosing our culture for decades. Our schools have been taken over by liberal activists. Our judicial system has been co-opted by liberal philosophy. Our government has been taken over by liberals turning the races against one another and making us more dependent on government handouts. our media is not much more than a propaganda machine for socialism. Full blown communism is just around the corner.

Religion means nothing anymore and our children can't even figure out what gender they were born. Infanticide is celebrated as a right and our borders mean nothing. Our laws mean nothing to migrants and natural born citizens are second rate citizens. It's looking more like George Orwell and Ann Rand got it right.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.


George,

I think another factor is how women, on average, don't process stress as well as men. They get into the business world and discover just how hard and stressful it really is. As they become more exposed to these stresses, their health profile begins to look more like that of men. There's a reason we, on average, die 8 years before women. As women seek to have it all, they also get all the stress that come with it, and they are not wearing it well.


+1 x3
I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here
Looks to me like they all have some stuff in common. Worthless parents and school systems who don't care and play favorites and the teachers go along with the "cool" kids and leave the at risk kids to self destruct.
I’ll say something right out. All the fat lardasses out there are a big problem. Lard asses have kids and teach them the same habits. Then the kids go to school and have to deal with it. Depression sets in and they get even fatter. Drugs and suicide follow. No Schiff Sherlock. I didn’t kill myself because I had only a high school graduation because I was working to live. Nobody took care of me after I was 17 years of age. Ed k
Making bad decisions and doing stupid things at a record pace. Don't take that pill, its killing you.... oops too late.
Originally Posted by comerade
I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here


But why are people making this choice??
Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Looks to me like they all have some stuff in common. Worthless parents and school systems who don't care and play favorites and the teachers go along with the "cool" kids and leave the at risk kids to self destruct.


And I suppose that contributes to:

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Case told reporters their research showed a “sea of despair” in the United States among people with only a high school diploma or less.
If they would only buy a big stupid McMansion and work three jobs they would be happy.

Dont have no kids.....they will mess up your retirement plans.....and you wouldn't be there to raise them anyway.
Hot dose of Fentanyl is just what some need actually.
Actually makes life better for others in the long run when a scumball who was a burden and POS leech when they was alive cant pull their B.S. anymore.
Sick of hearing about opiod deaths. Fûck them scumbags, they make it extremely difficult to even get medicore pain management for legit patients.

I cannot take otc nsaids. Puts me in a corner. My level 4 pain might be your #9, quantify a subjective parameter. Pure nonsense.

Fuggin pillbillies

Maybe the chinese will start making piss poor grade narcan with Drano in it.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by comerade
I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here


But why are people making this choice??

I can only speak for myself- injuries, severe injuries are the biggest factor. I have yet to take any substance to get a high off it.
But but but but...
They all have family and people who loved them.
They will all be sad if Billy Ray ( who never did a fugging thing useful in his entire life)
OD,s on pills or gets a hot load of fentanyl.


Most of the time the fughing family enabled the lifestlye for Billy Ray the d bag when ya put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
Trying to hide their shame when it was all going on, and accepting none of the blame after Billy Ray kicked the bucket.


Waaaaaahhhhh........
Young folks are experiencing the perfect storm.

Glad I wasn’t indoctrinated at school, didn’t have internet to get addicted to porn at a young age, and had to work for what I wanted. Had parents who stayed together, who never exposed me to alcohol, and my mom wasn’t glued to a smartphone when I wasn’t growing up. Never was a daycare either.

Kids today have had most of the above.
Canadians have it made, if I wanted a a few bottles of park davis codiene cough syrup, we just bee bopped into the walmart in niagara falls ontario.

Have to be on your deathbed to get codiene cough syrup in Tennessee.
Kids today get into all types of trouble at school (probably due to poor upbringing)

Get kicked outta school for being a problematic horse's ass.


Then the only solution is for pillhead scumbillie mama to "homr school" the kid.

Which really is nothing more than mama being high all day, kid sleeping till noon, watching Maury Povich and Jerry Springer till kid's friends get out of school and then go raise hell and smash mailboxes all night.

Yeah, that's home school in Tn, don't know about all the mormon fantasy home school orgasm that gets fawned about on here.
Originally Posted by Calvin
Young folks are experiencing the perfect storm.

Glad I wasn’t indoctrinated at school, didn’t have internet to get addicted to porn at a young age, and had to work for what I wanted. Had parents who stayed together, who never exposed me to alcohol, and my mom wasn’t glued to a smartphone when I wasn’t growing up. Never was a daycare either.

Kids today have had most of the above.



They have it easy.


I never went to no school. I was skinning a team of mules at 4 years of age. Hauling water to the boiler.
There is one common thread here, right? Drugs and obesity are pretty much self inflicted. Go Darwin.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Sick of hearing about opiod deaths. Fûck them scumbags, they make it extremely difficult to even get medicore pain management for legit patients.

I cannot take otc nsaids. Puts me in a corner. My level 4 pain might be your #9, quantify a subjective parameter. Pure nonsense.

Fuggin pillbillies

Maybe the chinese will start making piss poor grade narcan with Drano in it.
Spot-on. Still...lmao
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These kids are acquiring obesity


Language like this isn’t helpful. People are obese because they willingly consume more calories than they need over a period of months to years. It isn’t like they got sneezed on at school and the next day woke up absurdly fat.
Not enough balls on men. Too many women trying balls on.
Originally Posted by wilbilly
Originally Posted by gunner500
computers, cell phones and laying on their asses till obesity takes em to the morgue!


I agree with this.


Over-crowding and constant media downers also. What is presented on TV as "normal" isn't, but the masses are encouraged tothink it is.


Look at what most of the Hollywood and TV stars "think", and portray.
I look at it this way, not all pharma things are bad.
I have a couple old rope horses , they get something, I get something and we can rope.
They are not addicted, I am not either.
Neither have we had a " high". I asked Old Shorty the other day, he nickered that he is just happy to be less sore and run! Horses love to run.
I don't know about obesity, drug addiction in young folks, but there is a good side to big " Pharma"
I hope these young folks can find an answer.
It never hurts to have a little chat with your maker.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by Calvin
Young folks are experiencing the perfect storm.

Glad I wasn’t indoctrinated at school, didn’t have internet to get addicted to porn at a young age, and had to work for what I wanted. Had parents who stayed together, who never exposed me to alcohol, and my mom wasn’t glued to a smartphone when I wasn’t growing up. Never was a daycare either.

Kids today have had most of the above.



They have it easy.


I never went to no school. I was skinning a team of mules at 4 years of age. Hauling water to the boiler.



Something like this was what ya kinda went thru???

crazy laugh

Yes. The movie writers got that idea from some of our old home movies.

This is a very real part of the problem. Physicians who promiscuously prescribed pain-killers and the pharmacies who doled them out are highly regulated (or should have been) and should have been individually identified and disciplined.

Instead this wholesale hysteria brought down upon all prescribers including the legit and very conservative caregivers has put the Sword of Damocles over the chair of every prescriber.

Thus, the chronic-pain sufferer, about 10% of which these drugs are the only real answer, are often left wanting.

Another ham-fisted, government, top-down agency and its regulatory power, attempting hand surgery with an axe.

And just another health care problem that was highly politicized. I even recall one report of some so-called numbers of prescription drug overdoses somehow included those that were illicit, street-drug overdose deaths.
I've known a few people that died from pain meds. Both where good productive family people that had a lot going right in their lives before getting injured and starting on pain meds.

I'm worried about a friend that just had back surgery last week. He's a hard worker with 5 kids. I told him to get off the meds as soon as he can, preferably before the stitches come out. I went through hell terrible withdrawls after flushing my pills and going cold turkey a few months after major back surgery. I took them as prescribed and became terribly physically dependent on them and would not wish what I went through after flushing what I had left on anyone.

I've seen it take down some great people. To brand them all as lazy worthless losers that the world would be better off without is complete crap. That description may apply to some or even many, mostly after they're addicted, but definitely not all. Wait until your best friend and hunting partner dies like mine did. Sometimes people just view others the way they really feel about themselves. Just like alcohol it kills good people too.

I feel like my worst addiction is spending time on the campfire. I think I'll sign out and go play with the kids.

Bb
Right in line with the Communist playbook....

re write what is normal in American society.... drugs, flood the nation and its resources with illegal immigration of people who have few skills...

the leftist globalists are right on schedule...

remember those in charge of the Globalist movement, want to reduce the planets population by 90%....

they have a lot of drugs to hand out... why kill the public... just give them the tools to do it themselves....the left avoids any blame in it...
Yeah...but its mostly Democrats that are dying.


Who are these supposed Communists going to rule after they are so few in numbers?


You want to see how real Commies do it? Holodomor.
Originally Posted by blindshooter
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Originally Posted by Orion2000
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Add in the bean counters at insurance companies determining what tests and treatments people get and when they can get them. My recent foray into sleep apnea has been an eye opener...

My wife works in sleep medicine, business end of a large sleep lab. They try to stay in the rural areas but sleep seems to be at the low end of the priority scale. And some insurance will only pay for in lab after the person fails all the cheaper home tests.
Good luck getting help with the apnea.


Appreciate the kind words. I found out about the "in home" versus "in lab" situation right on the front end. The practice I am working with had a cancellation for an "in lab" test the day that I saw the doc. Could have had a test that night. But Insurance required an in-home test, first. Next open schedule for the in-lab was almost 2 months out. Fortunately, I passed (failed?) the in-home test. So, no need to wait 2 months for the lab test.

Next, doctor ordered a BIPAP. However insurance said I have try a CPAP for at least 30 days. And if that fails, THEN they'll authorize a BIPAP. Three weeks in with a CPAP and still struggling with the high pressure exhalation that the BIPAP is supposed to address... Grrrr...

Sorry for the vent...
Not pain meds but when I was going through my second divorce my dr. prescribed Valium, just to get me through the stress.

When I went to fill the script, the pharmacist told me straight up - if you take these as directed (3x/day) you will be addicted within 2 weeks.

I heeded her warning and only took it once a day - just before I got home and had to deal with the crazy biotch.

I'm thankful for that pharmacist.

I should also add that I've had my share of major surgery in my life and been given all the major painkillers. I found I rarely needed them after the first day and even then just once every day or two. Normal Tylenol the rest of the time.

I don't think people realize the kind of time bomb they're carrying with this crap.
Originally Posted by ERK
I didn’t kill myself because I had only a high school graduation because I was working to live. Nobody took care of me after I was 17 years of age. Ed k


What year was that?

We've had massive credential inflation over the last 30 years or so. A high school diploma is probably roughly of equivalent value to being an eighth grade dropout when I graduated in 1986. A high school diploma will hardly get you a job at starbucks any more and I'll bet if you quizzed most baristas they're college grads. If you want to get into the middle class right out of college you've pretty much got to have a master's. What does it cost to get that college degree now? When I was in college in the late '80's tuition was $800 a semester at my state school, I recently looked it up and it's now $7600 a semester.

I'm glad I'm not trying to enter the workforce out of high school now, 30 years of shipping jobs to China and importing H1B visas have taken their toll.
It’s biological control. Survival of the most suited.
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