CBS News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQOOxOl9l80

She looks genuinely happy and delighted in Andrews company.

"Forced". Yeah. Right.

The Queen had Epstein killed!!! 😬

Yeah.

Those poor little girls knew exactly which goose laid the golden eggs.

flown around the world in private VIP executive jets, vip lounges at airports, private limos, staying in premium apartments/
penthouses and private residences of the uber rich and powerful, best food , servants , room service, gifts, money etc...
while meeting/rubbing shoulders with the worlds brass ranging from royals, high socialites, financiers, lawyers, entertainment , etc etc ,

all in hope of getting that lucky break while enjoying a lavish ride that most women could only ever wildly dream of -
all at the young age of 17 or less ... I could just imagine how much resistance she and others put up....LOL

Where were these girls parents?

Did they not know they were gone for weekends at a time?

Why doesn't the MSM go interview a handful of these girls parents and ask them why they allowed their daughters to do this?

Some gals don't realize they've been raped until the car gets repo'ed!

Adults taking advantage of minors. No matter how hard I try I can’t excuse this. There’s a reason it’s called statutory rape. Hasbeen

Virginia Roberts got her first job at 15, apparently it was at the Mar-a-Lago spa in Florida,
where her father also worked...from there she was recruited by Epsteins associate Maxwell.

So her parents may have known she was 'moving up in the world' by accepting such offer
from Ghislaine Maxwell.

Her father probably said , your going to go from picking up sweaty towels to riding in private jets
best you take the offer with both hands.

Virginia now a married mother ,currently works as a bartender, so she obviously still doesn't mind
being around intoxicated, distasteful ,lecherous and promiscuous men.

Something tells me she's just an oportunistic dumb blonde.

Yep, the naivete of youth is very real.

How would folks here feel if an Epstein were hitting on THEIR fifteen or sixteen year-old daughter? Legal protections are there for a reason.

this has been around for awhile. They've done thrown his ass out of Buckingham Palace because they know he did it.

,...while all of it is being recorded and turned over to Mossad.

They have merely taken away his use of the business offices he had at Buckingham,
dear mother would not deny her favorite royal son entry to BP for family reasons.

the Queens security stopping Andrew at the gates of the palace grounds he was born in, would never happen.

Don't care which way this goes, but file a report with the police, bring out the evidence, and have a trial. Conversations will simply go no where.

Chances are good,
Pay her a few bucks like they did back then, and she will be happy again.

Some women get crazy about royalty. She might well have thought that bedding a prince would bring her some kind of fame and fortune.

Isn't that exactly what she is getting and seeking now?

Money grubbing w hore is what she was and is.

I agree, she looks happy, maybe star struck, maybe drunk or drugged, who knows? What we do know is that it's against the law for adults to have sex with minors & here we are, all of us as perfect parents saying some pretty nasty stuff about someone who's life is ruined, along with many others we'll never hear about.

Where were the parents, we're not going to know but it's sad the way we've already helped assassinate this young girl, right or wrong it's pretty sad to read some of this. Maybe she got just what she deserved but again, she was a minor, someone should have been there to save her not condemn her. She is someone's daughter, could be any of us, hopefully not. This is suppose to be America, not Thailand!

Dick

It depends on where it happened. It says she was 17, that's above the age of consent in many states and I'm pretty sure the U.K. is lower. I'm too lazy to research where the two of them were boinking, but there are plenty of places where that's perfectly legal. There are also several states that have raised the age of consent recently so it might not have been against the law 15-20 years ago when this was going on.

I'm not defending it but let's be realistic. While the laws creep up in age biologically most 17 year old girls are pretty hormonal and will hop in bed with anything given free range, 150 years ago most of our ancestors were on their third kid by that age. Throw in a prince, a jet, and pretty much unlimited money & I doubt there was any coercion involved.

UK age of consent for females has been 16 since.... 1885.




She would not be getting great tips as a current barmaid, and she has children to feed..

problem is she went for a lucrative pay check from a dodgy story teller like 60min.

the same 60min and same female reporter (Tara Brown) that tried to kidnap a child to make a high ratings prime time story.
but it all went wrong when they got arrested and imprisoned by hezbollah....LOL
https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...s-story/a22f3486afd79b2ef7acc3f10992f743




Theres a swarm of girls around the globe that would do almost anything to please a prince.
not unlike rockstars that have their loyal band of crazed female followers/groupies.

Andrew and his nephews like William and playboy Harry ..have spent a life beating them off with a stick.

some would dearly like to be the royal consort and all that comes with it,
whereas some just want to be briefly touched and graced by royalty..

Righteous Republicans don't ask such questions!

Have to admit, that pic of Andrew with his arm around her looks a bit fake. HIs arm would have to be "down to his knees" long for that pic not to be faked somehow.

Total agreement.

I don't know exactly what the laws are regarding this but what would it matter what the age of consent is in Britain? She's an American citizen, or was when the crimes were committed. Wouldn't the laws in Florida or New York apply? What is the age of consent where she resided or the crimes were committed? I'd think that would apply.

Has she been Arkansided yet.

It could, but usually the jurisdiction is held where the offense occurred.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Those are all just words (no offense Crowhunter), if she was an American and the offenses were committed in a jurisdiction here in the USA, where she was underage.

Who is the other woman in the photo?

I just wonder where the parents of these girls were......or were these girls that had run away from home, and were living on their own. Whatever the case, I believe it is obvious that these girls were having consensual sex with Epstein and the Prince, and enjoying the lifestyle that went along with it.

I'm not condoning what the adults did here in hooking up with teenage girls for sex, but at the same time, one must be realistic, and realize that these girls were not "forced" into doing what they did. Right or wrong, I think that makes a difference. It's really not much different from all the teacher-student sex encounters we've been discussing on here......younger student has chance to bang hot teacher and does, and then when it becomes news, all of a sudden the student claims they were taken advantage of.

Epsteins accomplice ;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell

probably all true, but my question, and one that I have not seen addressed anywhere, is where were these girls's parents? Were they just pimping our their kids?

Underage is underage and if a law was broken, then Andrew should be no different than anybody else. It doesn't matter whether the girls "enjoyed it" or whether they "consented" if they're under age. There is no "consent" for somebody who is under the age of consent.

And that "age of consent" is what has been discussed...............I have not seen any of the news reports talking about these girls being underage at the time of these supposed episodes, only that it was just horrible that Epstein recruited, not forced, them into doing what they did. You're right........it is wrong and against the law for an adult to have sex with an underage person, but the question remains.....were they actually underage.

The MSM ain't gonna touch that with a 10' pole. They are all classified as "victims" now.

After I got out of college, my 1st job was as a county extension agent working with the local 4-H program. I was young and single. Believe me, I could have got all the 16 & 17 year old stuff I could handle if I'd been that stupid. Those girls can go nuts for a guy a few years older. Luckily, I favored girls a little older.

Sorta makes you wonder how some people here would be acting if they had the money and power that Epstein, Prince Andrew, etc., have?

I knew of a local 4-H agent who couldn't resist that temptation, and it cost him his marriage.

Almost makes you wonder what a teenage girl, and her parents would do if lots of money were thrown their way on a regular basis.

Or little boys, and their parents.

Remember Michael Jackson and his little sleepovers?

Where were the parents?

Oh. Yeah. They were out buying new cars and stuff...

IMO.....if you're going to forget about what Michael Jackson did to little boys, and we're talking kids under 10 years of age, then the Epstein/Andrew thing needs to be dropped immediately. There is a BIG difference between a an 8 year old child, and one that is 16 or 17.

The point is, there were kids.

And there were parents.

And all the parents concerned developed a huge blind spot in their vision.

And the fallout was borne by the children...

It seems that most here are leaving the 'other adults' out of the equation, the ones having sex with the underage girls.

I don't get it, wrong is well....... just wrong.

Not leaving anyone out.

But those having sex with the girls are ALL anyone has talked about.

We are allowed to talk about the parents too.

I'd guess many of the parents were complicit.....

Sex trafficking usually involves young girls who've been separated from their parents, either kidnapped or runaways. The parents aren't there to keep them straight.

From what has been published about all this, I don't think that's the case with the Epstein girls. They were recruited by his women accomplices for money.

Pimped.

Several years ago, before I retired some oft he guys working for me allowed there graduating daughters to go to California to "become" models. The contract was, the company paid their way down but the girls had to pay their own expenses once they got there. I think there were 5 of them that took the bait. One was home in two weeks, the other four lasted a few months & all of them came home broke & didn't want to talk about it much. Any takers on what was going on? This was from just one small area.

Dick

Does any seriously believe Virginia Roberts was a virgin when recruited by Maxwell.?

put her on the stand under oath and X examine her.. ie; was she already sexually active
when working at the Florida spa resort aged 15.

If she was blowing off male staff and spa clients, chances are Maxwell offered her the same
kind of work but in more exclusive upmarket surroundings...she may have even
come to Maxwells attention because word got around about her willingness and ability to please ..

So Maxwell thought she could easy get what Epstein wants by making a greater offer
to a young eager and 'ambitious' girl.



Trump can get things moving to extradite prince Andrew and defend the innocence of a 17 yr old American girl,

do you think he will do it?

We have some real heroes on here that would blame the victim. Even cons in prison know what to do to pedophiles and rapos.

But wait!!!! It was obviously a Mossad honey trap!

JFC



mike r

VIrginia Roberts alleges Epstein sent her to Thailand to learn massage.

Im guessing he 'forced' her onto that jet plane as well.

or he simply payed her to go - at her own free will.

not saying Andrew or Epstein have not broken any laws,
but one has to ask how much was co-erced and how much the victim was willing.

That is a standard recruiting scam for young girls who are then hustled into prostitution and porno films. Get down there, expenses are high, the agency pimp tells them how to make big money. Says there are very rich businessmen who just like a "little friendly companionship," and are willing to pay well for it. "There's a party tonight I want you to go to and meet a rich friend of mine." Also, "Darlin', you're so pretty. You can make it big in the movies, be a big star, make tons of money. I have this great part for you in a movie a producer friend of mine is making. You start tomorrow."

Except, it is hard core XXXX porn and the girls are threatened and frightened into making the porno flick. Drugs, booze, everything you can imagine is available to the young girls. Been going on in Hollywood for many, many years.

Hey, everyone wants to be in show business. Right??

L.W.

of course, the other problem is when a misguided teen get's into a 'situation', then wants out...they may not let her out

Yeah, that's a real thing.

Exploited.

Some of those starlets exploited more than few directors and producers too.

What humans won't do to one another, you could write on the back of a postage stamp with room left over.

some girls do certainly get into terrible situations that become very difficult to extricate themselves from,

but is that the case with V. Roberts?

was she an actual prisoner ?...no access to a phone, her parents, law enforcement , outside world, etc?

If she was going through US and UK airports and told Fed border agents that she was being sex-trafficked
and was frightened and wanted help, would they just ignore her?

maybe she was a fast Learner knowing that all the good far outweighed the bad in her mind...

so she just kept her trap shut.

Good thing none of us regret anything we did as youngsters, not even knowing whether it was right or not...

I just don't see how anything can be proven. It's her word against his. Just being in a photo together doesn't prove the guy didn't anything illegal.

Meh......
Both the girl/woman now and Andy back then were............

Hey, I think the girl was 100% willing & probably experienced, she said in the interview she was living in a dark place when all of that happened so she probably wasn't living at home & was more than happy to take up the Maxwell lady or anyone else up on the offer. At that age everyone is bullet proof........remember!

That's why the rich guys get away with these kinds of things & this stuff keeps going on, but like I said, that is someone's daughter. And she's just one of many that's going to surface in this case, a lot of high profile men are sweating bullets right now. They just said on the news some of the girls were as young as 13 years old! Now that is some sad crap!

Dick

I'm with Dick on this one. That's someone's daughter.

I'd hurt someone who did this to my child, no matter how far from the good book they had roamed.

Well said!!

I hope she was not forced to have sex with Hillary.

For fear of being recognized, maybe. This is far more widespread than most might believe, I feel. And far worse, too.

Well said.
To the jerks in this thread, just what causes you to give Epstein & Andrew a second thought and degrade the girl?

Damn straight, many times over..........

LOL...what would you all do to Prince Andrew if he had touched your daughter?

how would you even get close to him?




most of the girls that Epstein abused were brought to him/recruited by the other young girls
one woman victim in the 60 min show , says she personally recruited and brought Epstein
anywhere from 50 -70 girls and got PAID extra to do so.

so she got a very generous $200 to 'massage' Epstein and many a 'cash bonus' to bring other willing girls.

Yes it is quite clear many are above the law.
That happens when good men do nothing.

the CF heroes are not talking about the law, they are suggesting personal retribution.

but they cannot say how they would manage to successfully achieve their dumbass fantasy.

maybe they would wait till Andrew makes a rare public appearance, then try their dumb luck
and end up on a cold slab riddled with 9mm rounds delivered by SAS trained RPS.

Andrew is out, but how about Bill Clinton? I'll probably hang myself by morning!

I agree, but I suspect that these girls didn’t enjoy the same level of parental “protection” as your daughters or mine. What happened to these girls isn’t right, but who let’s their 14-17 (18-25?) year old daughter fly to the Caribbean with some 50+ year old guy that they have never met. I’m trying to imagine how that would pass the smell test of any semi-skilled parent. Have to wonder if they weren’t essentially parentless already.

60min; Vrigina Roberts says she was also abused by other people she 'cannot mention'

if she can mention a British Royal by name , why can't she mention the other powerful people she had sex with?

may she really means,

.." I have financially settled with those other alleged offenders and signed a confidentiality agreement." ..

Or Runaways.

If one has a penchant for San Quentin Quail (I much prefer large titted MILFS, but you guys knew that), then for chrissakes just go the Olongapo..