Full scale retaliation is suicidal .... I don’t think they will do anything that precipitates air strikes on Tehran or bombing of their nuclear facilities ..... or that gives the Israelis the opportunity to turn the country into molten glass.
If I had a crystal ball, I would guess maybe some sort of small scale attacks on oil facilities / infrastructure (Saudi?), and / or using its proxies to engage in retaliatory assassination attempts, kidnappings, bombings of U.S. government facilities, and attacks on shipping and other privately-owned U.S. entities.
Any retaliation will be stupid, as President Trump has shown he will not take it lightly.
They are stupid and dangerous
I have to respectively differ with you, whackem. They have been very smart, so much so as to get away with terrorism all over the region for many years. The game rules just got changed by a President who doesn't bow to suck d... .
I'd like to add that Kerry should be arrested and tried for his illegal interference in foreign policy by a private citizen, a federal crime.
I'll bet there are more than a few celebratory drinks being downed in most of the Arab world. Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emirates, etc. They won't say it publicly, but privately they are likely sending Trump a big thumbs up.
no more rugs for you bad americans. based on what i see on social media young people are as happy as they can be. he was responsible for many death inside iran as well. he was a direct adviser to supreme leader.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years or more. Our masters require it of us.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
we have to face this threat to humanity . their entire cult is based on martyrdom.
Any retaliation will be stupid, as President Trump has shown he will not take it lightly.
They are stupid and dangerous
I have to respectively differ with you, whackem. They have been very smart, so much so as to get away with terrorism all over the region for many years. The game rules just got changed by a President who doesn't bow to suck d... .
I'd like to add that Kerry should be arrested and tried for his illegal interference in foreign policy by a private citizen, a federal crime.
kerry has been doing the same thing for years, as in the paris peace talks during vietnam. nothing ever happened.
Ftbt: You mean the religious fanatics in Iran will "now" keep doing what they have been doing for the last 40+ years? Nothing different now - except the slight possibility they learned a "lesson" here in the last few days. But seeing how religious fanatics are religious fanatics they will probably keep on keepin on! Right up until they really piss off President Donald J. Trump and he turns that whole schidthole country into a glass paved parking lot. GO TRUMP MAGA Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
You seem to have a hard-on for anything that has anything to do with that area.
When?tell us so we can make more money in def.stocks.
As for me i don't know when/where but whatever it is will be like a small bug biting that won't do squat.
I think the Iranians are brazen but foolhardy enough to do something on a large scale. Then they'll find out they ain't dealing with BJ Barry Obummer or Ketchup Kerry. Back to the stone age with them rag heads.
Give those raghead martyrs their "72 virgins"- - - - - -by the time they discover they're goats, donkeys, and pigs it will be too late to have a change of religion! Jerry
Dont think its pure conjecture for Lindsey Graham to say if they disrupt the outgoing oil supply from that region that their refineries might be targeted.
A population that cant buy gas gets kinda cranky.
When Iran's population was openly revolting Obama said "we can't interfere in another countries domestic affairs" and the the revolt was failed.
Cant see Trump being so hands off at this point.
Iran's governent has a tenuous hold on power right now, this could easily be the first move in destabilizing that government to the point of failure.
I doubt the Iranians will do anything particularly bothersome.
Up until now, US retaliation has been either diplomatic, or shooting up a couple of camels with a cruse missile. Trump didn't do that. He attacked a person. Now, if you are in the business of pissing off the US, and all the US does in response is bluster or a few explosions in the desert, there's not much cost to creating mayhem to piss off the US. If, on the other hand, high ranking individuals get killed in response? Might think again about how you're going to "retaliate".
Full scale retaliation is suicidal .... I don’t think they will do anything that precipitates air strikes on Tehran or bombing of their nuclear facilities ..... or that gives the Israelis the opportunity to turn the country into molten glass.
If I had a crystal ball, I would guess maybe some sort of small scale attacks on oil facilities / infrastructure (Saudi?), and / or using its proxies to engage in retaliatory assassination attempts, kidnappings, bombings of U.S. government facilities, and attacks on shipping and other privately-owned U.S. entities.
Your thoughts?
What we just witnessed was their retaliation. If it wasn't, then why was an Iran General in Iraq leading an attack on the American Embassy?
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
This is once again, pure tripe. I am willing to put up money betting we will not go to war with Iran (of course, we need to frame what the definition of "war" is). There is no way, now way, we are going to invade Iran and Iran doesn't have the muscle to invade Iraq, much less the US. This Salami guy has a LOT of American blood on his hands, was 15 minutes away from the embassy, planning a follow on to the tactical probe done the other day. We lost a drone, they captured our patrol boats and humiliated us, sponsored terrorism all over the place against us, and limp wristed people like RP want us to do nothing? GMAFB. At most, they'll do what they can, attacks here and there and we, like Regan did in 86 (I was there and it WAS fun!), take out a third of their Navy, hit their offshore refineries, etc, But a full blown war a-la-Iraq will NEVER HAPPEN. I'm willing to put up some cash. Are you or any other kookista? PM me.
So .. there are a couple of angles. Whether Iran, officially as a nation, retaliates is one. Whether some terrorist group, funded by Iran or not, retaliates is separate. I would be a bit surprised if the nation of Iran attempts retaliation because they are a fixed target, immobile, easy to hit. I would expect them to behave more rationally. A terrorist group imbedded within some population somewhere else retaliating / striking a blow to get even, in their perception, seems a lot more likely. I would be cautious traveling abroad or doing business abroad, but then, that is already true.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, f ucking with President Donald Trump guarantees they'll win stupid prizes. Trump has the cahones to deal with those murderous raghead bastids.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
That scumbag was involved in the Iran hostage situation 30 years ago, wasn't he? If gutless, nutless Jimmy Carter had grown a set of balls and taken him and his buddies out back then, the entire history of the middle east would have been different, at least for a while. These azzole camel jockeys have been fighting over that pile of sand for 3,000 years. Jerry
I doubt the Iranians will do anything particularly bothersome.
Up until now, US retaliation has been either diplomatic, or shooting up a couple of camels with a cruse missile. Trump didn't do that. He attacked a person. Now, if you are in the business of pissing off the US, and all the US does in response is bluster or a few explosions in the desert, there's not much cost to creating mayhem to piss off the US. If, on the other hand, high ranking individuals get killed in response? Might think again about how you're going to "retaliate".
I tend to agree with this. It's really hard to predict their behavior, but they have to be smart enough to know if they do something & significant, that DJT will hurt them pretty bad, maybe more individual targeting.
They really only understand serious object lessons & DJT just gave them a big one, next one would likely be similar.
Actually, if it was up to me, I find the next guy in line to replace Solemani, & take him out right now as well, just to reinforce the object lesson.
They will never just calm down & be a reasonable country to deal with.
The demised Muzzie shows up to collect his reward. But he gets b___ slapped by George Washington, then by Patrick Henry, George Mason, Thomas Jefferson, followed by a long line of fellow countrymen.
What’s this he asked in shock, where are my virgins? Virginians, you dummy, not virgins.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
What evidence do you have to support these wild claims?
Why didn’t we take advantage of their attacks on Saudi oil refineries or on tankers? Or even the numerous IEDs supplied by Iran?
Obama and the Deep State brokered the Iran Nuclear deal and gave them a plane load of cash.
Obama May be gone, but the Deep State is still running the show.
General Kelly quit because he wanted the nuclear deal to stay in tact. The Deep State is pissed at Trump for [bleep] canning it. SOS Kelly is over there representing the Deep State on how to get this deal back on track and stop President Trump from muddying up the Deep States waters.
Whatever happens next, rest assured that the Deep State is pulling both Iran’s strings and the Trump Administrations strings.
all trump has to do is push a button, line the persian gulf with destroyers, launch a massive 1000 missile salvo and take out numerous targets inside iran. just let it be known, you do anything stupid expect another salvo. no americans ever set foot inside iran. no planes overfly iran. simple.
Quit after the first statement: "We need to begin by quickly summarizing what just happened:
General Soleimani was in Baghdad on an official visit to attend the funeral of the Iraqis murdered by the US on the 29th" .
Official visit my ass. He was there plotting the next move of the Iranian surrogate militia. That's his MO. The author is obviously an isolationist, kook-fringe idiot with an ostrich approach to Realpolitik.
Quit after the first statement: "We need to begin by quickly summarizing what just happened:
General Soleimani was in Baghdad on an official visit to attend the funeral of the Iraqis murdered by the US on the 29th" .
Official visit my ass. He was there plotting the next move of the Iranian surrogate militia. That's his MO. The author is obviously an isolationist, kook-fringe idiot with an ostrich approach to Realpolitik.
I'll again put up any wager, there will be NO WAR
The rest of it is worth reading. He gives several potential scenarios that Iran could implement while maintaining plausible deniability,....4th generation stuff,....which I believe is the most likely possibility.
My bigger concern that other Islamic terrorist cells like Boca Haram in places like Nigeria will capture and slaughter more Christians, like just recently there, in so-called vengeance for the previous terrorist leader who was targeted and killed.
Eleven Christians were slaughtered on video, one shot through the head, and the other ten decapitated. You might have missed that on CNN, MSNBC, and their ilk.
Quit after the first statement: "We need to begin by quickly summarizing what just happened:
General Soleimani was in Baghdad on an official visit to attend the funeral of the Iraqis murdered by the US on the 29th" .
Official visit my ass. He was there plotting the next move of the Iranian surrogate militia. That's his MO. The author is obviously an isolationist, kook-fringe idiot with an ostrich approach to Realpolitik.
I'll again put up any wager, there will be NO WAR
Agree. But I would expect regional dumpster fires with persons or groups (Christians) targeted, abducted, and murdered.
I have a friend who lives in Tehran and he doesn't think there will be much of a response. He's not a regime supporter, nor is he an observant Muslim, but he's one of the brightest people I know and he is about as familiar with the way the mullahs think as anyone I know. He thinks this really rattled the mullahs and they now realize that they, rather than the idiots that they send out to be martyrs, will be the ones who are targeted in the future if Iran continues to cause trouble. There will be a response, of course, but it likely won't be war or anything that would give President Trump reason to flatten all of Iran.
My bigger concern that other Islamic terrorist cells like Boca Haram in places like Nigeria will capture and slaughter more Christians, like just recently there, in so-called vengeance for the previous terrorist leader who was targeted and killed.
Eleven Christians were slaughtered on video, one shot through the head, and the other ten decapitated. You might have missed that on CNN, MSNBC, and their ilk.
they are Sunni muslims and they will do that anyway but they don't take order from Iran.
My bigger concern that other Islamic terrorist cells like Boca Haram in places like Nigeria will capture and slaughter more Christians, like just recently there, in so-called vengeance for the previous terrorist leader who was targeted and killed.
Eleven Christians were slaughtered on video, one shot through the head, and the other ten decapitated. You might have missed that on CNN, MSNBC, and their ilk.
If not this excuse, then another will be found when one is desired...
The biggest flaw in this thinking is the assumption that because the fighters are religious zealots that the leadership is, too. Like Democrats, the leaders don't believe what the useful idiots at the bottom believe......
If Iran sticks their head back up out of their own cesspool then ALL infrastructure that allows them to sell or ship oil should be leveled into the sand. Starve their people and the leadership will be changed.
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
Take off the gloves and fix the problem now, or should the US allow them to continue sponsoring terror attacks for another 50 years?
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
The unfortunate reality of turning 'Iran into glass' is that there are many, many Iranians that hate the current regime there, these same people have been protesting their totalitarian gov't for months. Many of us aren't for military action to promote regime change, but hopefuly these people can rise up and facilitate that for themselves.
Many there crave capitalism and a free Iran, And many are fans of the U.S. and Canada.
I doubt the Iranians will do anything particularly bothersome.
Up until now, US retaliation has been either diplomatic, or shooting up a couple of camels with a cruse missile. Trump didn't do that. He attacked a person. Now, if you are in the business of pissing off the US, and all the US does in response is bluster or a few explosions in the desert, there's not much cost to creating mayhem to piss off the US. If, on the other hand, high ranking individuals get killed in response? Might think again about how you're going to "retaliate".
I tend to agree with this. It's really hard to predict their behavior, but they have to be smart enough to know if they do something & significant, that DJT will hurt them pretty bad, maybe more individual targeting.
They really only understand serious object lessons & DJT just gave them a big one, next one would likely be similar.
Actually, if it was up to me, I find the next guy in line to replace Solemani, & take him out right now as well, just to reinforce the object lesson.
They will never just calm down & be a reasonable country to deal with.
MM
This ^^^^^ “Why does she have two black eyes?” “Because I told her twice.”
Any man who'd bet anything on what comes next is a fool.
Iran hit the Saudi oil facilities from long distance. Iran targeted very specific locations within those facilities. The last I heard they hit everything they targeted with startling accuracy. Not a single missile launched was stopped without hitting it's target. That makes it a pretty safe bet for them that they can hit whatever target they might choose and probably do a good job of it when they deliver a missile. That they are taking the time to think this through is not reassuring. Allah welcomes martyrs and they do not seem to be short of volunteers. We on the other hand have constraints on what we will not likely do unless under existential duress. Even were they to retaliate with a nuclear weapon, it is not a guarantee that we would return the favor. Nor if Trump ordered a nuclear response is there a guarantee that it would be fully implemented or at all short of an existential threat.
What Iran has in it's pocket from Pakistan and North Korea is unknown. What we do know is that Saudi strike taught us we had underestimated them.
I think if we had wanted to topple the Iranian regime we could have awhile ago, we just lacked a president with the will to do so, and Iran was useful in fighting Isis.
However Iraq, Egypt, Libya showed that sometimes it's better to have a functioning but unfriendly government in place, than a chaotic vacuum for extremists to fill.
Now that Isis is pretty much decimated the current Iranian government is less of a neccesity.
I'd be interested to see what would happen if Trump tweeted something like " I have no desire to shed Iranian blood so I'm letting the members of the Iranian navy know they have 30 minutes to abandon ship.... move at least 1/2 mile away from any vessels and use hearing protection....." Drone footage of the results might be interesting too....
we have to face this threat to humanity . their entire cult is based on martyrdom.
That was created by America. They tried to take control of their own oil reserves and the CIA stepped in on behalf of the Western oil companies (Operation Ajax) to overthrow the prime minister, this normal-looking guy:
As per usual things didn't go according to plan, turns out the Iranian people didn't like having an authoritarian puppet dictator installed by foreign nations, this brewed extremism, and now you have created a dangerous theocracy and instead of a prime minister you have a "Supreme Ayatollah":
Stupid games played, stupid prize won. Here's your prize:
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
What evidence do you have to support these wild claims?
Look up "Clean Break: A Project For the New American Century." It's all in there.
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
If the Iranians do something to really provoke a serious conflict, which I don't think they will, Trump is going to flatten them..............he's not going to fool around with them, the gloves will come off immediately & Iran will suffer badly for it & be set back several generations which is pretty much what should happen anyway.
If the people there want democracy, then enough of them could overthrow the government; that it has not happened as it did with the Shah tells me that not enough people want it, so pizz on them too.
The ragheads will jump up and down, scream, bluster and threaten. Trump will say "Go ahead- - - - -Make my day!" Then it will be interesting to see if they take the bait or slink away and lick their wounds before they get froggy again. Jerry
I think they'll do something in Europe and blame us for starting the whole thing. If not for murderous America there would be no loss of innocent life in France/Germany/Belgium/Holland.......
The unfortunate reality of turning 'Iran into glass' is that there are many, many Iranians that hate the current regime there, these same people have been protesting their totalitarian gov't for months. Many of us aren't for military action to promote regime change, but hopefuly these people can rise up and facilitate that for themselves.
Many there crave capitalism and a free Iran, And many are fans of the U.S. and Canada.
Destroy their economy, in retaliation for state sponsored terrorism, and the people will remove the existing regime. As long as people have food they tend to remain neutral, stop all cash flow until food supply dries up then watch the revolt.
Having played in the sandbox before, Im with Jorge on this one.....there will be no war with Iran. By war I mean no ground troop invasion, or occupation. I also believe the boss Ragheads in Iran are rattled, this strike hit awfully close to home for them and they are smart enough to know that if they push it, they very likely will be next. They also are aware that if their oil output and thus thier economy is hit, they are one good revolution...maybe this time backed by US and Israeli spooks or SOFs, from a regime change.
I have a friend who lives in Tehran and he doesn't think there will be much of a response. He's not a regime supporter, nor is he an observant Muslim, but he's one of the brightest people I know and he is about as familiar with the way the mullahs think as anyone I know. He thinks this really rattled the mullahs and they now realize that they, rather than the idiots that they send out to be martyrs, will be the ones who are targeted in the future if Iran continues to cause trouble. There will be a response, of course, but it likely won't be war or anything that would give President Trump reason to flatten all of Iran.
This. Trump drew a big red line in the sand and showed the world what happens when you step over it. Iran will go back to their ways of trying to cause problems in ways that they can deny in public. They aren't capable of much else with anyone who will actually hold them accountable. This was long overdue.
Having played in the sandbox before, Im with Jorge on this one.....there will be no war with Iran. By war I mean no ground troop invasion, or occupation. I also believe the boss Ragheads in Iran are rattled, this strike hit awfully close to home for them and they are smart enough to know that if they push it, they very likely will be next. They also are aware that if their oil output and thus thier economy is hit, they are one good revolution...maybe this time backed by US and Israeli spooks or SOFs, from a regime change.
An informed opinion is always respected from this poster. Thanks. You make a lot of sense, as does Jorge...
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran. This has all been in the works since before 9/11. They only needed a catalyst on the level of Pearl Harbor, which they got with the taking down of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon attack. That Iran is to be taken down is already determined. Has been for twenty years of more. Our masters require it of us.
Screw the refineries- - - - -take out the tanker loading facilities and pipelines they use to ship their oil. Nobody cares how much oil they produce if they can't sell it to anybody. Maybe they can figure out a way to drink it! Then sink their bass boat navy so they can't blocade the strait of Hormuz. Jerry
In any event,..an escalation in the Middle East has occurred which will have no upside for Americans.
,....a pattern which has gotten very familiar.
Of course there's an upside. Soleimani is deader than hell on Sunday morning. That's one helluva upside, considering how many American deaths he has been responsible for.
The most disturbing aspect of the situation is that America could be pulled into a much larger escalation by any action that could be blamed on Iranian retaliation,...regardless of who is truly responsible for it.
War has been coming with Iran since the original hostage crisis.
We're not going to cower because the Iranians might do something. The only thing those ragheads understand is force. Violent, overwhelming, inescapable force. If they retaliate, we retaliate exponentially harder.
When they think they are gonna die next, they'll stop. And if they don't, then they WILL die next.
Screw the refineries- - - - -take out the tanker loading facilities and pipelines they use to ship their oil. Nobody cares how much oil they produce if they can't sell it to anybody. Maybe they can figure out a way to drink it! Then sink their bass boat navy so they can't blocade the strait of Hormuz. Jerry
This.
China buys the largest percentage of Iran's oil. China is desperate to have US tariffs reduced and may not over react during trade negotiations if Iran's oil becomes unavailable.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran.
I wish people would stop referring to this as an assassination. He was a military officer in a combat zone actively engaged in operations against American forces. He was most certainly a legitimate military target.
I think my biggest concern is that after Edward Gallagher being pardoned, the perception is there that we do not bind ourselves to playing by the rules laid out by the Geneva Conventions. It is one thing to have terrorists slaughtering captured prisoners, but I could see Iran also killing any of our brave men (or women) in uniform as a form of psychological warfare (not all, but some). I mean, the perception is that we've already pardoned one person who killed civilians and killed a captured POW, so doing the same to us is fair.
As far as the response. I don't know what Iran's response will be, but I suspect that we will have a ground war in Iran within 6 months.
The point of the assassination was to be a provocation for retaliation to be used as a pretext for war against Iran.
I wish people would stop referring to this as an assassination. He was a military officer in a combat zone actively engaged in operations against American forces. He was most certainly a legitimate military target.
It's dhim speak. It's what's for dinner... Every night.
I think my biggest concern is that after Edward Gallagher being pardoned, the perception is there that we do not bind ourselves to playing by the rules laid out by the Geneva Conventions. It is one thing to have terrorists slaughtering captured prisoners, but I could see Iran also killing any of our brave men (or women) in uniform as a form of psychological warfare (not all, but some). I mean, the perception is that we've already pardoned one person who killed civilians and killed a captured POW, so doing the same to us is fair.
As far as the response. I don't know what Iran's response will be, but I suspect that we will have a ground war in Iran within 6 months.
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