For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
“Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?...” - Jesus
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
But, but, arent we doing mobetter since kicking God outta school? We got more muzzies, more welfare, more crazies, more druggies, more PC, more debt, more aids, more STDs, more ......progress?
Yep, some can look around and see, and some are blind.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
But, but, arent we doing mobetter since kicking God outta school? We got more muzzies, more welfare, more crazies, more druggies, more PC, more debt, more aids, more STDs, more ......progress?
We as humans no more understand God or his creations any more than a moth circling a flame. Faith moves mountains. Science, logic and evolution allow small minds to stand tall in the company of fools. God is good.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
All morality is retaliative. Absolute morality is as much a myth as your god.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
But, but, arent we doing mobetter since kicking God outta school? We got more muzzies, more welfare, more crazies, more druggies, more PC, more debt, more aids, more STDs, more ......progress?
IMO, you just proved my point.
Oh yeah, I forgot... more school massacres.
Yep, OM, you're smarter than all the unbelievers on the Fire.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
But, but, arent we doing mobetter since kicking God outta school? We got more muzzies, more welfare, more crazies, more druggies, more PC, more debt, more aids, more STDs, more ......progress?
IMO, you just proved my point.
Oh yeah, I forgot... more school massacres.
Yep, OM, you're smarter than all the unbelievers on the Fire.
Naw, I'm not smart. If I was smart, I'd be rich...... instead of so good looking!
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
. Science, logic and evolution allow small minds to stand tall in the company of fools
When you get cancer, just keep in mind some small minded people developed those drugs via science to save your life... so you big minded folks can say god answered your prayers and he blessed you with a miracle...
Ontological argument, Argument that proceeds from the idea of God to the reality of God. It was first clearly formulated by St. Anselm in his Proslogion (1077–78); a later famous version is given by René Descartes. Anselm began with the concept of God as that than which nothing greater can be conceived. To think of such a being as existing only in thought and not also in reality involves a contradiction, since a being that lacks real existence is not a being than which none greater can be conceived. A yet greater being would be one with the further attribute of existence. Thus the unsurpassably perfect being must exist; otherwise it would not be unsurpassably perfect. This is among the most discussed and contested arguments in the history of thought.
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For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
Religions are man made.
Yes they are! Look how many religion's there are and look at when they were basically accepted as founded. Every person in each of those religions swears it is the only true religion. Believe whatever gives you comfort.
Ejp. Small minds worry about such things. Faith allows some of us to accept the finality of our short lives and know we are a small cog in the wheel of life. None of us wants to leave early but what if our passing is the catalyst for great works or furthers Gods plan? Faith gives one the strength and wisdom to deal with the fears and realities of our existence, and sometimes we have no more cognizant ability to discern the end result than that moth. Cancer sucks, loss of a loved one hurts. God’s love helps heal the wound.
My heart aches for you atheist/agnostic types. I wish you all the best and pray God’s blessings on you and that his will works through people put in your path. Saul could not resist his calling and I expect neither can you all. Please have a great night and I wish you all the best in your life. Not trying to be petty or judgmental as I am a flawed human being myself. Words from an unworthy man saved by grace.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. .
Is not your God also beyond your comprehension?
yet the common/convenient train of thought with christians, is If they dont understand something they just default and attribute it to a man made concept of a God.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. .
Is not your God also beyond your comprehension?
yet the common/convenient train of thought with christians, is If they dont understand something they just default and attribute it to a man made concept of a God.
Didn't OM also describe an argument from personal incredulity, which is a logical fallacy?
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
All morality is retaliative. Absolute morality is as much a myth as your god.
You dunce. Do you not see that you just stated a moral absolute---the absolute that all values are relative. Or rather, the moral absolute that there are no moral absolutes.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
All morality is retaliative. Absolute morality is as much a myth as your god.
You dunce. Do you not see that you just stated a moral absolute---the absolute that all values are relative. Or rather, the moral absolute that there are no moral absolutes.
"There are no moral phenomena at all, but only a moral interpretation of phenomena."
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
Religions are man made.
Yes they are! Look how many religion's there are and look at when they were basically accepted as founded. Every person in each of those religions swears it is the only true religion. Believe whatever gives you comfort.
Making that statement is like saying, "If you shoot a gun, you are a murderer." Sounds like something a democrat would say.
Not every religion/denomination believes what you stated. I'm not going to preach a sermon, but I will say that I dont believe you should paint everyone the same, just because they believe in God.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
Yet another hate filled insulting post by Jag... lol, the most christian man ever hahahaha
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
Good post. Whenever I have had my doubts, I just look around and realize how perfect things are, and it all goes together like pieces to a puzzle. Anyone who can't see that must be blind.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
Just the fact that we are conscious and self-aware seems an adequate proof that more than mere nature was involved.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
Well, creation obviously happened because we (and other stuff) are here.
But if you are referring to the Genesis creation story, there is overwhelming scientific evidence that it didn't happen that way, and no evidence that it did.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
All morality is retaliative. Absolute morality is as much a myth as your god.
You say "All morality is retaliative". I think that statement to be fundamentally flawed.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
Religions are man made.
Yes they are! Look how many religion's there are and look at when they were basically accepted as founded. Every person in each of those religions swears it is the only true religion. Believe whatever gives you comfort.
Making that statement is like saying, "If you shoot a gun, you are a murderer." Sounds like something a democrat would say.
Not every religion/denomination believes what you stated. I'm not going to preach a sermon, but I will say that I dont believe you should paint everyone the same, just because they believe in God.
No it is not even close to the same thing. I didn't paint them all the same. They being different religions invented by man, each thinks their religion is the correct one. If they didn't they would not have faith now would they?
Perhaps the most compelling evidence for creation is that man is completely locked out of it. This can be readily disproven by creating a hydrogen atom from nothing. A photon?
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
Yet another hate filled insulting post by Jag... lol, the most christian man ever hahahaha
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
What did your garbage collector say?
He said, would you rather take info from a doofus like jag, or an article published by stanford on a 10yr collection of studies from theologists, scientists, mythologist, and religious figures...
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I think a lot more people could believe in a GOD. Not the man made religious "God". But if it gives you comfort that is great.
Religions are man made.
Yes they are! Look how many religion's there are and look at when they were basically accepted as founded. Every person in each of those religions swears it is the only true religion. Believe whatever gives you comfort.
Making that statement is like saying, "If you shoot a gun, you are a murderer." Sounds like something a democrat would say.
Not every religion/denomination believes what you stated. I'm not going to preach a sermon, but I will say that I dont believe you should paint everyone the same, just because they believe in God.
No it is not even close to the same thing. I didn't paint them all the same. They being different religions invented by man, each thinks their religion is the correct one. If they didn't they would not have faith now would they?
IMO, what you stated, does paint everyone that believes in a higher deity with the same brush. I'm not educated enough to discuss all the religions/denominations in the world, so I'm not going to judge and say 'your religion/denomination is wrong and mine is right'. Thus, that statement alone disproves your statement that 'Every person ...... swears it is the only true religion'. If you had said some people, then I would agree, but not every person. Call it being nit-picky, but you said it, I didn't.
This I can say, because it is what I believe..... I attend and am a member of the church that interprets/preaches the Bible as closely, as I interpret the Bible. I dont always agree with everything that's preached, but they are the closest to what I believe.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
Well, creation obviously happened because we (and other stuff) are here.
But if you are referring to the Genesis creation story, there is overwhelming scientific evidence that it didn't happen that way, and no evidence that it did.
Bingo! At least not literally. In other words, references to, such as, God molding Adam from the muck of the earth, are poetical ways of stating that it occurred in response with God's command and that man is composed of organic, earthly, matter.
Just like we are not meant to believe that the Hebrews were formed in a literal iron furnace, even though the Bible states that they were. Iron furnace is a metaphor for the trials and tribulations that formed the Hebrews in Egypt, just like molding from the muck is a metaphor for the processes (commanded by God) that resulted in Adam coming into existence.
Please lord, I’m praying too you with all sincerity... please fix Jag’s shift key, or gain him the knowledge of when it is to be pressed and when not...
Specifically in posts where he describes other posters as stupid multiple times...
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
You just cant resist can you. What's the problem? You get nightmares if you dont do your civic duty and protect us from God? You are so worried we will go through life turning down married puzzy? You'd rather dimocraps screw us out of our church donation money. You're the masked avenger out to save the dumbassed suckers of the world? For what reason? Your pure benevolence? No pay, just love and concern for your fellow man?
What about, "Fug off and leave Christian's alone". Oh, you dont believe in freedom of choice? I'm ok, you're ok? Cant handle that? No, you cant. You're driven.
Now, just WTH hell would drive a dumbass like you?
Hummm. I think there's a clue in my above sentence. See if you are smart enough to find it. Of course, maybe you already know and dont need to figure it out. In which case you're, of course, too dishonest to admit it.
There is a god... the raging old mans keyboard shift key didn’t malfunction for one whole post!!! He heard me, he listened, and he responded to my prayer!!!
There is a god... the raging old mans keyboard shift key didn’t malfunction for one whole post!!! He heard me, he listened, and he responded to my prayer!!!
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
Good post. Whenever I have had my doubts, I just look around and realize how perfect things are, and it all goes together like pieces to a puzzle. Anyone who can't see that must be blind.
You just cant resist can you. What's the problem? You get nightmares if you dont do your civic duty and protect us from God? You are so worried we will go through life turning down married puzzy? You'd rather dimocraps screw us out of our church donation money. You're the masked avenger out to save the dumbassed suckers of the world? For what reason? Your pure benevolence? No pay, just love and concern for your fellow man?
What about, "Fug off and leave Christian's alone". Oh, you dont believe in freedom of choice? I'm ok, you're ok? Cant handle that? No, you cant. You're driven.
Now, just WTH hell would drive a dumbass like you?
Hummm. I think there's a clue in my above sentence. See if you are smart enough to find it. Of course, maybe you already know and dont need to figure it out. In which case you're, of course, too dishonest to admit it.
Typical display of anger, angst, resentment and bile. It's a discussion forum, people have different views and perspectives.
If you can't handle discussion or questioning, lashing out in your anger and grief, why do you do it? Why put yourself through the trauma?
You just cant resist can you. What's the problem? You get nightmares if you dont do your civic duty and protect us from God? You are so worried we will go through life turning down married puzzy? You'd rather dimocraps screw us out of our church donation money. You're the masked avenger out to save the dumbassed suckers of the world? For what reason? Your pure benevolence? No pay, just love and concern for your fellow man?
What about, "Fug off and leave Christian's alone". Oh, you dont believe in freedom of choice? I'm ok, you're ok? Cant handle that? No, you cant. You're driven.
Now, just WTH hell would drive a dumbass like you?
Hummm. I think there's a clue in my above sentence. See if you are smart enough to find it. Of course, maybe you already know and dont need to figure it out. In which case you're, of course, too dishonest to admit it.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since.
Typical display of anger, angst, resentment and bile. ... Why put yourself through the trauma?
jX will take that attitude to his grave only to find out there is no other imagined heavenly world awaiting him and that he wasted his life in such manner in this one.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
Just the fact that we are conscious and self-aware seems an adequate proof that more than mere nature was involved.
Self awareness generally makes the dirt only crowd super angry. They cannot deny the self evident reality... and everybody knows it.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
All morality is retaliative. Absolute morality is as much a myth as your god.
I often like to reflect upon Julian the Apostate and the events surrounding the failure to rebuild the temple.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
And ignorant too! Darwin was a dud.
Evolution is a fact, organisms adapt and evolve, or go extinct. The theory of evolution refers to the mechanisms and means of evolution.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
And ignorant too! Darwin was a dud.
Evolution is a fact, organisms adapt and evolve, or go extinct. The theory of evolution refers to the mechanisms and means of evolution.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
And ignorant too! Darwin was a dud.
Evolution is a fact, organisms adapt and evolve, or go extinct. The theory of evolution refers to the mechanisms and means of evolution.
Evolution is religion.
Neo-Darwinism is a secular creation theory (myth actually) that does not fit the evidence (it is radically at odds with the fossil record) and is not even falsifiable (according to no less an expert than Karl Popper). In fact, the concept of "survival of the fittest" is essentially a tautology with approximately zero explanatory power. Micro-evolution (small variations over time) is well established. But that's not where the action is. Neo-Darwinian Creationists think they can extrapolate from micro-evolution as establishing proof of macro-evolution, but it doesn't work because everything we know about biology, genetics, species and speciation tells us that no matter how we try to change them (to say nothing of nature) fruit flys remain fruit flys, dogs remain dogs, cats remain cats and finches remain finches.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since.
Jag-off is a Doc? You're joking right? I wouldn't see him for an in grown hair!
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since.
Jag-off is a Doc? You're joking right? I wouldn't see him for an in grown hair!
Yes, Doc, as in Doctor of Optometry.
Don't worry, I doubt you would ever have to see him. I imagine your insurance is way to good. His patience are all welfare cases.
Those might warriors of David had some BIG brass balls, no? One of them killed 800 of his enemies with a spear. Good grief!
Sounds Legit! In a f_cking video game.
Video to the masses is what christianity was sorely missing. Since for some centuries there was no Bible, then there was Bible but very few had a copy. Not until 1455 was there a printed Bible, but not mass produced, even when mass produced versions came about, there was a hitch; folks still remained largely illiterate for the next few centuries following... LoL.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
And ignorant too! Darwin was a dud.
Evolution is a fact, organisms adapt and evolve, or go extinct. The theory of evolution refers to the mechanisms and means of evolution.
Evolution is religion.
Not even close. Evolution has withstood more than a hundred and fifty years of questioning testing. Nobody has falsified evolution. Some of the details of th e theoretical aspect, the mean and mechanism, have been wrong but that just shows the work that ahs gone into it.
You can try, but just making a statement won't do the trick.
Pope John Paul II (1996) affirmed evolutionary theory in his message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, but rejected it for the human soul, which he saw as the result of a separate, special creation.
The Church of England publicly endorsed evolutionary theory (e.g., M. Brown 2008), including an apology to Charles Darwin for its initial rejection of his theory.
That was very condescending.
And ignorant too! Darwin was a dud.
Evolution is a fact, organisms adapt and evolve, or go extinct. The theory of evolution refers to the mechanisms and means of evolution.
Evolution is religion.
Not even close. Evolution has withstood more than a hundred and fifty years of questioning testing. Nobody has falsified evolution. Some of the details of th e theoretical aspect, the mean and mechanism, have been wrong but that just shows the work that ahs gone into it.
You can try, but just making a statement won't do the trick.
It can't be falsified! That was Karl Popper's point and his criticism remains valid today.
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since.
Jag-off is a Doc? You're joking right? I wouldn't see him for an in grown hair!
Yes, Doc, as in Doctor of Optometry.
Don't worry, I doubt you would ever have to see him. I imagine your insurance is way to good. His patience are all welfare cases.
What we call the evolutionary hypothesis is an explanation of a host of biological and paleontological observations—for instance, of certain similarities between various species and genera—by the assumption of common ancestry of related forms.
. . . I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106]
There exists no law of evolution, only the historical fact that plants and animals change, or more precisely, that they have changed. [Popper, 1963b, p. 340]
I have always been extremely interested in the theory of evolution and very ready to accept evolution as a fact. [Popper, 1976, p. 167;]
The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;
''Furthermore, in his book, Objective Knowledge, where he uses the Darwinian paradigm as a basis for his own theory of knowledge, Popper not only discusses Darwinism at length as a scientific explanation but offers as an additional component a scientific hypothesis of his own—genetic dualism—which is intended to strengthen the orthodox neo-Darwinian framework (Popper, 1972, ''
What we call the evolutionary hypothesis is an explanation of a host of biological and paleontological observations—for instance, of certain similarities between various species and genera—by the assumption of common ancestry of related forms.
. . . I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106]
There exists no law of evolution, only the historical fact that plants and animals change, or more precisely, that they have changed. [Popper, 1963b, p. 340]
I have always been extremely interested in the theory of evolution and very ready to accept evolution as a fact. [Popper, 1976, p. 167;]
The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;
''Furthermore, in his book, Objective Knowledge, where he uses the Darwinian paradigm as a basis for his own theory of knowledge, Popper not only discusses Darwinism at length as a scientific explanation but offers as an additional component a scientific hypothesis of his own—genetic dualism—which is intended to strengthen the orthodox neo-Darwinian framework (Popper, 1972, ''
I notice that you conveniently fail to quote his criticism of neo-Darwinian theory. It created a firestorm at the time. Here is one summary of what Popper said:
Abstract: Karl Popper argued in 1974 that evolutionary theory contains no testable laws and is therefore a metaphysical research program. Four years later, he said that he had changed his mind. Here we seek to understand Popper’s initial position and his subsequent retraction. We argue, contrary to Popper’s own assessment, that he did not change his mind at all about the substance of his original claim. We also explore how Popper’s views have ramifications for contemporary discussion of the nature of laws and the structure of evolutionary theory. – Popper’s Shifting Appraisal of Evolutionary Theory, Mehmet Elgin and Elliott Sober HOPOS: The Journal of the International Society for the History of Philosophy of Science 2017 7:1, 31-55
Morality is a human construct. Nature cares not in the slightest about suffering, whether a lion eats a lamb while it's still alive, or a child is left to die of starvation.
Wrong. You justify your animal like nature. God gave a spirit and made the difference between human and animals. Many elect to reject that and remain as lower class animals, as you do. You hardened your heart, not the hearts of others. You hardened your heart, not Him. Others know what's inside them. A God given spirit.
So, here you are, a base animal, yet you will be a mind reader and tell others what's in them? Take your pick, dumb animal or psychiatrist.
If most humans were dumb animals like you, they wouldnt have the ability to form moral constructs.
You disprove your own words. Here you are, an unmoraled animal trying to push your amorality on others, that in itself is an attempt at building a social construct. What drive do you have that forces you to do that? Hummm.
An education might help. There must be adult courses on science, sociology psychology, erc, available in your town or city? Just a suggestion.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him.
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since.
Jag-off is a Doc? You're joking right? I wouldn't see him for an in grown hair!
Yes, Doc, as in Doctor of Optometry.
Don't worry, I doubt you would ever have to see him. I imagine your insurance is way to good. His patience are all welfare cases.
That proves you to be a liar, but I know you don't mind. Your kind never do.
People are alive who were blind like you, and now some can see. But, geniuses, like you, can be blind and still tell people who have learned to see, what things really look like? Right.
You just keep on telling folks who have seen both sides of life that both sides of the coin look the same as the only side you have seen. You dont even have the intelligence to comprehend what I'm saying.
Go ask a deaf person what a meadowlark sounds like.
A Christian has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If there were no Jesus Christ it would be impossible for a relationship to exist.
Youre too stupid to realize some on this earth experience things you dont, or you're pissed off about it and attack Believers and Christ because you aren't so blessed.
You're too stupid to consider some people may have prayers answered, regardless whether you do or not.
HE said the prayer of a righteous man availeth much. You lie. Not Him. [/quote]
That's not a rational argument. You are preaching in a defensive manner. It only fools those who are of the same mind, defending their faith.
It's quite understandable.[/quote]
Doc went off the rails about 3 years ago.
That's about when he started loosing his ability to make rational arguments. He hasn't been the same since. [/quote]
Jag-off is a Doc? You're joking right? I wouldn't see him for an in grown hair! [/quote]
Yes, Doc, as in Doctor of Optometry.
Don't worry, I doubt you would ever have to see him. I imagine your insurance is way to good. His patience are all welfare cases.[/quote]
And here I had him figured for a proctologist! [/quote]
If you were smart, that would give you a clue as to how smart you are.
AS, I guess you think it's pure genius that scientists presumed the ordered arrangement present in life on earth came about from an explosion which causes destruction and disorder.
I guess they decided any explanation was better than accepting that like and order came from a creator.
Its evident any with your tendencies couldnt let that get past them.
Of course, you're so smart, you understand what others have experienced, even if they dont, sucker.
Just look at the perfection of the human hand as proof of God's existence:
The thumb, able to oppose any of the fingers. The pinky, just the right size to clean out your ear. The index finger, just the right size to pick your nose. And two more fingers - one for getting married, and one for getting divorced.
Just look at the perfection of the human hand as proof of God's existence:
The thumb, able to oppose any of the fingers. The pinky, just the right size to clean out your ear. The index finger, just the right size to pick your nose. And two more fingers - one for getting married, and one for getting divorced.
Without which we would have never shot a gun or flown to the moon, or eaten bowl of peach ice cream.
…13For You formed my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are Your works, and I know this very well. 15My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in secret, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.…
Yep, woven together fearfully and wonderfully. Hell of an explosion, huh?
In our likeness, and not the likeness of animals, but with a spirit, everlasting.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth…
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Why would God choose to look like an evolved primate (namely us) with vestigial organs like an appendix, wisdom tooth problems caused by the face shortening, back problems caused by incomplete evolution from quadripedalism, and an inner ear incapable of hearing prayers beyond a short distance and from more than a few people at a time? Especially since God, so the story goes, had not invented those life forms yet.
Indeed, if God wanted to create the universe, about the worst form imaginable would be to look like Homo sapiens or any other animal. Not to mention the susceptibility of "our likeness" to radiation, zero air pressure, temperature extremes, and other things that God, for some reason, put into the reaches of space if indeed God was there to create them.
Christianity would be more credible if it would shed the stone age myths of pre-literate people and concentrate on the central message.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
The Bible says it, that is proof enough for me. Looking for proof is just an excuse for those without faith.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Why would God choose to look like an evolved primate (namely us) with vestigial organs like an appendix, wisdom tooth problems caused by the face shortening, back problems caused by incomplete evolution from quadripedalism, and an inner ear incapable of hearing prayers beyond a short distance and from more than a few people at a time? Especially since God, so the story goes, had not invented those life forms yet.
Indeed, if God wanted to create the universe, about the worst form imaginable would be to look like Homo sapiens or any other animal. Not to mention the susceptibility of "our likeness" to radiation, zero air pressure, temperature extremes, and other things that God, for some reason, put into the reaches of space if indeed God was there to create them.
Christianity would be more credible if it would shed the stone age myths of pre-literate people and concentrate on the central message.
That's cute, except it assumes as true the very issue in dispute.
What we call the evolutionary hypothesis is an explanation of a host of biological and paleontological observations—for instance, of certain similarities between various species and genera—by the assumption of common ancestry of related forms.
. . . I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106]
There exists no law of evolution, only the historical fact that plants and animals change, or more precisely, that they have changed. [Popper, 1963b, p. 340]
I have always been extremely interested in the theory of evolution and very ready to accept evolution as a fact. [Popper, 1976, p. 167;]
The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;
''Furthermore, in his book, Objective Knowledge, where he uses the Darwinian paradigm as a basis for his own theory of knowledge, Popper not only discusses Darwinism at length as a scientific explanation but offers as an additional component a scientific hypothesis of his own—genetic dualism—which is intended to strengthen the orthodox neo-Darwinian framework (Popper, 1972, ''
I notice that you conveniently fail to quote his criticism of neo-Darwinian theory. It created a firestorm at the time. Here is one summary of what Popper said:
Abstract: Karl Popper argued in 1974 that evolutionary theory contains no testable laws and is therefore a metaphysical research program. Four years later, he said that he had changed his mind. Here we seek to understand Popper’s initial position and his subsequent retraction. We argue, contrary to Popper’s own assessment, that he did not change his mind at all about the substance of his original claim. We also explore how Popper’s views have ramifications for contemporary discussion of the nature of laws and the structure of evolutionary theory. – Popper’s Shifting Appraisal of Evolutionary Theory, Mehmet Elgin and Elliott Sober HOPOS: The Journal of the International Society for the History of Philosophy of Science 2017 7:1, 31-55
Whatever Popper did or did not say has no bearing on the fact that we have more than ample evidence for evolution. Evolution has been established. The only question of evolution, the theory, being related to the means and mechanisms by which organisms evolve.
a 1 year old girl in our church named prayer (her first name) fell in a backyard swimming pool. she was brought back to life, but had brain damage.. about half of her brain was dead. she was attended to by the best brain doctors to be found.. prayers were sent up every week for her.. a foundation was formed to provide money for her support . a new house was built just to help for handicapped people.. every thing that could be done to provide money and prayers for her was done probably more than a million people were praying for her. a year later she was worse, as her brain continued to shrink,. the doctors finally told the parents that nothing else could be done for her and would not treat her anymore.. In a few months she passed away... so my question is why did GOD not help this baby it wasent because of lack of prayers. he just dident seem to want to help her at all.. that is about why I no longer waste my time going to church it is all a scam..
Hubert...nothing fair about it. Nothing right about it. Nothing loving about it. Nothing good about it. Nothing redeeming about it. Nuthin’. Sorry when bad things happen to people, especially to good people, and most especially to kids.
a 1 year old girl in our church named prayer (her first name) fell in a backyard swimming pool. she was brought back to life, but had brain damage.. about half of her brain was dead. she was attended to by the best brain doctors to be found.. prayers were sent up every week for her.. a foundation was formed to provide money for her support . a new house was built just to help for handicapped people.. every thing that could be done to provide money and prayers for her was done probably more than a million people were praying for her. a year later she was worse, as her brain continued to shrink,. the doctors finally told the parents that nothing else could be done for her and would not treat her anymore.. In a few months she passed away... so my question is why did GOD not help this baby it wasent because of lack of prayers. he just dident seem to want to help her at all.. that is about why I no longer waste my time going to church it is all a scam..
HE made her. She is HIS. She has everlasting life in Heaven with HIM. HE gives people free will. Maybe the people who built the pool and failed to keep kids away are at fault, yet you blame HIM.
Truth be known, shes probably better off and happier than you. Suck it up. Life is not a bed of roses. You want life, accept the downside. You want death. Get a glock. Life is a blessing. Grow up or continue blaming HIM for everything. Your choice.
David and Bathshebas boy died. David came back to Christ and was saved because he wanted to be with his boy in heaven. He didnt piss and moan and reject God because of his sin. He took responsibility, like a man. Maybe her folks should do the same,
Near death experiences.. people die and come back all the time.
There's a book that is a compilation of these such instances documenting NDE's from around the globe. Different religions, different cultures, different race etc.
All of them have nearly identical experiences.
I might of thought BS... but the same thing happened to my dad 2 times and his story was the same
I'd like to know which one of you out there is worth the pain and misery Jesus Christ went through on the cross for you?
You think I'd have my son go through that to save any of you? Would you for any of us? Yet who doesnt take what HE did for you for granted, without a sincere thank you, Jesus, for your love and mercy and pain and sacrifice?
God knows none of us are worth it. Still, HIS blood was given freely to us to wash our sins away if we only ask of it.
Near death experiences.. people die and come back all the time.
There's a book that is a compilation of these such instances documenting NDE's from around the globe. Different religions, different cultures, different race etc.
All of them have nearly identical experiences.
I might of thought BS... but the same thing happened to my dad 2 times and his story was the same
"Imagine Heaven" it's a good read.
Clue: A near death experience isn't dead. Dead is dead.
Near death experiences.. people die and come back all the time.
There's a book that is a compilation of these such instances documenting NDE's from around the globe. Different religions, different cultures, different race etc.
All of them have nearly identical experiences.
I might of thought BS... but the same thing happened to my dad 2 times and his story was the same
"Imagine Heaven" it's a good read.
Clue: A near death experience isn't dead. Dead is dead.
Says you. And you're a few ounces short of being God.
Flatlined 45 min is freaking dead, unless HE says otherwise. 8 hours under4 ft of snow with a coffee can of air and body temp of 90 is dead, unless He says otherwise.
23 is a huge number in the bible....and in life... The earth's axis.... Number of human chromosomes.... The key to the abyss has it. Big number. So is 7.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
So we die, lie in the ground and are somehow brought back to life? is that not some form of wizardry or witchcraft?
There will be scoffers in the last days, under the gospel, men who make light of sin, and mock at salvation by Jesus Christ.
One very principal article of our faith refers to what only has a promise to rest upon, and scoffers will attack it till our Lord is come. They will not believe that he will come. Because they see no changes, therefore they fear not God, 2 Peter 3
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
So we die, lie in the ground and are somehow brought back to life? is that not some form of wizardry or witchcraft?
Was it witchcraft when HE spoke the heavens into existence, or spit in dirt and breathed the spirit of life into it?
I dont understand it, but I can see the prophecies of Him and His profits having been fulfilled.
Good will become evil...
In the latter days men will be exchanging wives...
Israel will regain her homeland...
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount will be restored...
Israeli enemies will try to drive her into the sea...
Israel will be carried to safety as though by the wings of an eagle...Israel's impossible victory over a moslem force 10 times bigger in the 6 day war...
Knowledge will explode over the earth...
Then 4 blood moons in a row on Hebrew Holy Days and Trump is swept into power against impossible odds just in time to save the world from the Hillbiotch and NWO...
Trump alone has not the IQ or wherewithall to accomplish alone what is being accomplished, IMHO, Gun.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
So we die, lie in the ground and are somehow brought back to life? is that not some form of wizardry or witchcraft?
Was it witchcraft when HE spoke the heavens into existence, or spit in dirt and breathed the spirit of life into it?
I dont understand it, but I can see the prophecies of Him and His profits having been fulfilled.
Good will become evil...
In the latter days men will be exchanging wives...
Israel will regain her homeland...
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount will be restored...
Israeli enemies will try to drive her into the sea...
Israel will be carried to safety as though by the wings of an eagle...Israel's impossible victory over a moslem force 10 times bigger in the 6 day war...
Knowledge will explode over the earth...
Then 4 blood moons in a row on Hebrew Holy Days and Trump is swept into power against impossible odds just in time to save the world from the Hillbiotch and NWO...
Trump alone has not the IQ or wherewithall to accomplish alone what is being accomplished, IMHO, Gun.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
So we die, lie in the ground and are somehow brought back to life? is that not some form of wizardry or witchcraft?
Was it witchcraft when HE spoke the heavens into existence, or spit in dirt and breathed the spirit of life into it?
I dont understand it, but I can see the prophecies of Him and His profits having been fulfilled.
Good will become evil...
In the latter days men will be exchanging wives...
Israel will regain her homeland...
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount will be restored...
Israeli enemies will try to drive her into the sea...
Israel will be carried to safety as though by the wings of an eagle...Israel's impossible victory over a moslem force 10 times bigger in the 6 day war...
Knowledge will explode over the earth...
Then 4 blood moons in a row on Hebrew Holy Days and Trump is swept into power against impossible odds just in time to save the world from the Hillbiotch and NWO...
Trump alone has not the IQ or wherewithall to accomplish alone what is being accomplished, IMHO, Gun.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
I dont think your Mom lied to you. Do you?
Did you have to prove the benefit of obeying you to all you told your kids to do?
How would you like your little kids not believing in or having faith in you? And if they said to hell with you and rejected you?
We are nothing but little dumbassed kids HE made and loved, to HIM.
If HE gave us cold hard proof then asswholes like Hillary and Piglosi and Soleimani and Zero would believe and go to heaven. How would you like to spend eternity with them? Would you want them to go to Heaven too?
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
I dont think your Mom lied to you. Do you?
Did you have to prove the benefit of obeying you to all you told your kids to do?
How would you like your little kids not believing in or having faith in you? And if they said to hell with you and rejected you?
We are nothing but little dumbassed kids HE made and loved, to HIM.
If HE gave us cold hard proof then asswholes like Hillary and Piglosi and Soleimani and Zero would believe and go to heaven. How would you like to spend eternity with them? Would you want them to go to Heaven too?
Wouldnt really be Heaven, would it? [/quote]
How would you like your little kids not believing in or having faith in you? And if they said to hell with you and rejected you?
My kids have faith in me because I am real! Not some man made story. They can see me, touch me, hear me, talk to me, and they know me. If they rejected me I would question what I did to make them reject me, but that has never happened yet.
We are nothing but little dumbassed kids HE made and loved, to HIM.
Oh great so we are just dumb little kids he likes to play games with. Interesting!
f HE gave us cold hard proof then asswholes like Hillary and Piglosi and Soleimani and Zero would believe and go to heaven. How would you like to spend eternity with them? Would you want them to go to Heaven too?
So many things I could say here. Doesn't the bible and your man made religion say not to judge? If he gave us hard proof and even just mild proof don't you think people in their right minds would actually really buy into it? Don't you think if we had actual real proof and not some bulls_t stories and a bunch of people telling us we have to have faith that people would be mean, evil, and have a million other man made religions?
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
For years I have been pondering the ultimate proof of creation. I found it. Whether one accepts it or not does not change the fact any more than saying gravity doesn't exist. The proof is that Absolute morality exist.
So we die, lie in the ground and are somehow brought back to life? is that not some form of wizardry or witchcraft?
Was it witchcraft when HE spoke the heavens into existence, or spit in dirt and breathed the spirit of life into it?
I dont understand it, but I can see the prophecies of Him and His profits having been fulfilled.
Good will become evil...
In the latter days men will be exchanging wives...
Israel will regain her homeland...
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount will be restored...
Israeli enemies will try to drive her into the sea...
Israel will be carried to safety as though by the wings of an eagle...Israel's impossible victory over a moslem force 10 times bigger in the 6 day war...
Knowledge will explode over the earth...
Then 4 blood moons in a row on Hebrew Holy Days and Trump is swept into power against impossible odds just in time to save the world from the Hillbiotch and NWO...
Trump alone has not the IQ or wherewithall to accomplish alone what is being accomplished, IMHO, Gun.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
I dont think your Mom lied to you. Do you?
Did you have to prove the benefit of obeying you to all you told your kids to do?
How would you like your little kids not believing in or having faith in you? And if they said to hell with you and rejected you?
We are nothing but little dumbassed kids HE made and loved, to HIM.
If HE gave us cold hard proof then asswholes like Hillary and Piglosi and Soleimani and Zero would believe and go to heaven. How would you like to spend eternity with them? Would you want them to go to Heaven too?
Wouldnt really be Heaven, would it?
No, I don't believe Mom would ever lie to me. I didn't have to tell my kids anything Jag, I left them in the bottom of a can at a fertility clinic in Houston back in the 80's! Faith and believing in ones self or others comes from ""seeing"" actions first hand with their own eyes, the reason most of wanted to be like our daddys, we could see how cool, strong, and how much they knew. I've got to get to that worship deal Jag, I don't worship or beg anyone or anything, if my Wife wanted to leave, hell yes, I would miss her dearly everyday for the rest of my life, would I beg her to stay?, hell NO!
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
LOL Gents!
If God was telling me in my head to do something and Gunner was telling me to do something else. I’m gonna do what G5 said I should do...I will work out being conflicted later in my safe space....LMAO 😂😎
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
LOL Gents!
If God was telling me in my head to do something and Gunner was telling me to do something else. I’m gonna do what G5 said I should do...I will work out being conflicted later in my safe space....LMAO 😂😎
Bwahahaha, good thing we don't rate high enough for God to tell us a damn thing Big Buddy, and yes, if I hollered THERS A FUGGIN ELK IN THE ROAD!!!, Lock that sombitch up!
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
LOL Gents!
If God was telling me in my head to do something and Gunner was telling me to do something else. I’m gonna do what G5 said I should do...I will work out being conflicted later in my safe space....LMAO 😂😎
Bwahahaha, good thing we don't rate high enough for God to tell us a damn thing Big Buddy, and yes, if I hollered THERS A FUGGIN ELK IN THE ROAD!!!, Lock that sombitch up!
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
LOL Gents!
If God was telling me in my head to do something and Gunner was telling me to do something else. I’m gonna do what G5 said I should do...I will work out being conflicted later in my safe space....LMAO 😂😎
And you have much better evidence that Gunner actually exists.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
Looking at nature and reading a Bible are not the same thing.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
Yeah, if He would just come here as a person and perform incredible miracles, everyone could believe.
LOL Gents!
If God was telling me in my head to do something and Gunner was telling me to do something else. I’m gonna do what G5 said I should do...I will work out being conflicted later in my safe space....LMAO 😂😎
And you have much better evidence that Gunner actually exists.
Yes, that, and being struck by Gunner is something that would require a miracle to survive. And, I am far from being a pussy. 😎
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
God is the one who walked away and allowed all those pedophiles, especially the Catholic priests to molest innocent children. Don't even get me started on cancer in children. This is all 100% on God. He could of easily stopped it all from happening.
God is the one who walked away and allowed all those pedophiles, especially the Catholic priests, to molest innocent children. Don't even get me started on cancer in children. This is all 100% on God. He could of easily stopped it all from happening.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
Looking at nature and reading a Bible are not the same thing.
Depends on which scriptures you read: “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge” (Psalm 19:1–2)
So, if I believe the Good News and in Jesus Christ, and die and there is no heaven, then I'm dead and gone like everyone and have lost nothing.
If I die this earthly death and go to heaven, I wont spend eternity with Hillary and Zero and Piglosi.
So, I prayed for CHRIST to come into my heart and give me belief and a hope and faith and HE did, else, I would not have it. I would not be able to believe.
Believe it or not, it's made me a better person than what I was in high school and college. I couldnt believe in the Good News without HIM.
For the life of me, I cant understand how anyone can look at all the wonders of nature and not believe in God. To believe that all of nature is nothing more than an accident is beyond my comprehension. As for the bad things in life, I believe man, as a whole, has brought that on himself. As man continues to turn away from God, things will continue to get worse, and it effects all of mankind, not just who we think should be punished or effected.
The Bible says my job is to witness and bear fruit, not to judge. So, I'm not judging those that don't believe, the Bible says that's God's job. I have a hard enough time, just doing what I'm suppose to do.
Looking at nature and reading a Bible are not the same thing.
Depends on which scriptures you read: “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge” (Psalm 19:1–2)
Scripture also tells us that God actively creates evil.
So, if I believe the Good News and in Jesus Christ, and die and there is no heaven, then I'm dead and gone like everyone and have lost nothing.
If I die this earthly death and go to heaven, I wont spend eternity with Hillary and Zero and Piglosi.
So, I prayed for CHRIST to come into my heart and give me belief and a hope and faith and HE did, else, I would not have it. I would not be able to believe.
Believe it or not, it's made me a better person than what I was in high school and college. I couldnt believe in the Good News without HIM.
HE is real to me.
You need a lot more than God. I guess your god says its ok to be a racist bigot!
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy to be shown, without question, the proper way.
But giving heaven to people that want the "easy" way, won't work.
Life isn't "easy". Resisting evil isn't "easy".
And people that have been given the "easy" lesson, won't be able to follow it.
Educating yourself on the proper way, isn't "easy".
Conditioning yourself to resist the wrong way, believing in God and consistently and without fail proceeding in the right way, isn't "easy", it's damn hard.
And, it should be. Ain't no pussies in heaven. They been weeded out, lookin for the "easy" way.
Your people that showed you the right way, by example and not by lecture, took the hard way. Not only in their own lives, but in their training of *you*.
Woulda been "easy" for em ta just tell ya the way, and do as I say, not as I do.
They was smarter, and tougher, than you give em credit for.
They could only *do* what was right, and hope you learned.
And it's hard to take that path, and not take the shortcut, but they knew that it's a thousand times more effective for someone to see a sermon, than to hear a sermon.
So they STFU, and trusted that you would learn from what you observed, rather than having it force-fed to you, which would be the "easy" way.
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy t
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by gunner500
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy to be shown, without question, the proper way.
But giving heaven to people that want the "easy" way, won't work.
Life isn't "easy". Resisting evil isn't "easy".
And people that have been given the "easy" lesson, won't be able to follow it.
Educating yourself on the proper way, isn't "easy".
Conditioning yourself to resist the wrong way, believing in God and consistently and without fail proceeding in the right way, isn't "easy", it's damn hard.
And, it should be. Ain't no pussies in heaven. They been weeded out, lookin for the "easy" way.
Your people that showed you the right way, by example and not by lecture, took the hard way. Not only in their own lives, but in their training of *you*.
Woulda been "easy" for em ta just tell ya the way, and do as I say, not as I do.
They was smarter, and tougher, than you give em credit for.
They could only *do* what was right, and hope you learned.
And it's hard to take that path, and not take the shortcut, but they knew that it's a thousand times more effective for someone to see a sermon, than to hear a sermon.
So they STFU, and trusted that you would learn from what you observed, rather than having it force-fed to you, which would be the "easy" way.
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Well said and true.
A many, many, many year process for me to believe, though I knew some how HE and the Good News were true, I didnt know how. Still dont. But now I have faith, most the time, and believe all the time.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
Bingo.
Gunner, if some god took care of us and answered prayers, we wouldn't need rough me like you to straighten things out.
HE does take care of us believers, just maybe not the way we want. If I die tonight, HE has me taken care of. In Heaven. HE or HIS angels have interveined to save my life on earth many times.
Rattle snakes miles from help, drunk drivers, stop sign or red light runners, driving mistakes, safety on a buds gun failing, young horse going crazy on a narrow trail at the top of a cliff on Co elk hunt, bear coming for me when all I had was a bow, lung tumor, spinal canal tumor, childhood asthma Scott and White drs said I'd never survive (year after year), being in the bed of a pickup that buried into the bank of an outside curve at 50mph, pseudomonas and aspergillus Niger lung infections after surgery, severe asthma attacks as a kid where I came to days later in a hospital (several times)...and that's just a few incidents.
If someone could "scientifically" prove creation or the existence of God, then believing in them would no longer require faith.
How would that be a problem?
Church would get real crowded.
Which church? Simply proving a God or even creation doesn't change too much, many people already beleive in at least some sort of higher power. People tend to assume that proving a God means proving their particular version of God, which it doesn't do. So, I see no good reason why God would try to hide evidence of his existence, as it really wouldn't change anything. Atheism and agnosticism are simply 2 more beliefs in a field of thousands, so even proving a God exists only improves your chances of figuring out the right religion by a very small margin, assuming one of the religions out there actually has it right.
Suckers here in the US nowadays have been given lives better than the kings.
They could have been born as slaves in Egypt ages ago or crocodile feeders on the Congo.
They have been blessed as less than one in a hundred thousand have been blessed before, with guns, hunting, fishing, central H/A, the best medical care, ice cream in summer and soda pop and chili and mayo in winter, but that's just not enough of a blessing.
All over the world people have been offered everlasting life for their misery.
But here, where they are most blessed, they deserve more from God. They deserve proof. Like HE owes them.
All over the world people have been offered everlasting life for their misery.
And just think... most people all over the world didnt even recognize the christian “god” until you donk’s went on a “mission”.... and brought disease and all those other fun things with you to spread the “gospel”.
Sorry I didnt randomly capitalize words so you could better understand.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy t
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by gunner500
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy to be shown, without question, the proper way.
But giving heaven to people that want the "easy" way, won't work.
Life isn't "easy". Resisting evil isn't "easy".
And people that have been given the "easy" lesson, won't be able to follow it.
Educating yourself on the proper way, isn't "easy".
Conditioning yourself to resist the wrong way, believing in God and consistently and without fail proceeding in the right way, isn't "easy", it's damn hard.
And, it should be. Ain't no pussies in heaven. They been weeded out, lookin for the "easy" way.
Your people that showed you the right way, by example and not by lecture, took the hard way. Not only in their own lives, but in their training of *you*.
Woulda been "easy" for em ta just tell ya the way, and do as I say, not as I do.
They was smarter, and tougher, than you give em credit for.
They could only *do* what was right, and hope you learned.
And it's hard to take that path, and not take the shortcut, but they knew that it's a thousand times more effective for someone to see a sermon, than to hear a sermon.
So they STFU, and trusted that you would learn from what you observed, rather than having it force-fed to you, which would be the "easy" way.
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Well said and true.
A many, many, many year process for me to believe, though I knew some how HE and the Good News were true, I didnt know how. Still dont. But now I have faith, most the time, and believe all the time.
Thanks for the votes of confidence Men, however, my biggest hurtle is worthiness, I frankly don't think a rotten pos like myself needs to be hanging around truly good church folk, I may get hit by lightning just walking up the church sidewalk, get thee away from my house demon!!!!!
People tend to blame God for bad things. The Bible says Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. God removed his "hedge of protection" from Job to show Satan Job wouldn't curse God and die. Satan brought disease, killed his kids, and he lost his wealth. Job never turned from God, and then God told Satan to leave and God blessed Job with more than he originally had and gave him more children.
That is just one example. People who don't know God, God cannot or will not help them, only Born Again Christians does He help, but they too can be tried and tested.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc. This study was done by the Billy Graham Association a few years ago.
God created man but didn't create robots. He gave man free will. One sin, even a little one, and God turns his back on man. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior will God hear your prayers.
People start reading the Bible from Genesis, but they should start with the New Testament, then go to the Old. The New Testament is for today, and teaches you how to be born again, how a Christian is supposed to live, treat each other etc. The Old Testament shows Gods holiness and his wrath against sin, and how no one can keep the law. The New Testament shows Gods love and mercy and how one can be forgiven of their sins. Just start by reading the New Testament and see for yourselves. It is simple. New and Old are two sides of the same coin, showing Gods holiness and wrath, and His mercy and Grace.
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy t
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by gunner500
I've read some, and have been taught a lot of that in Church as a kid Jag, I'm looking for some stone hard fact, I cant get there without hearing Mom say, just have faith son.
God could prove to everyone, His power.
But that would be too easy.
It's easy to be shown, without question, the proper way.
But giving heaven to people that want the "easy" way, won't work.
Life isn't "easy". Resisting evil isn't "easy".
And people that have been given the "easy" lesson, won't be able to follow it.
Educating yourself on the proper way, isn't "easy".
Conditioning yourself to resist the wrong way, believing in God and consistently and without fail proceeding in the right way, isn't "easy", it's damn hard.
And, it should be. Ain't no pussies in heaven. They been weeded out, lookin for the "easy" way.
Your people that showed you the right way, by example and not by lecture, took the hard way. Not only in their own lives, but in their training of *you*.
Woulda been "easy" for em ta just tell ya the way, and do as I say, not as I do.
They was smarter, and tougher, than you give em credit for.
They could only *do* what was right, and hope you learned.
And it's hard to take that path, and not take the shortcut, but they knew that it's a thousand times more effective for someone to see a sermon, than to hear a sermon.
So they STFU, and trusted that you would learn from what you observed, rather than having it force-fed to you, which would be the "easy" way.
"Just have faith, son." Crazy?
What's crazy, is that you haven't yet understood what she was trying to communicate, to try and save you.
It's not too late.
Well said and true.
A many, many, many year process for me to believe, though I knew some how HE and the Good News were true, I didnt know how. Still dont. But now I have faith, most the time, and believe all the time.
Thanks for the votes of confidence Men, however, my biggest hurtle is worthiness, I frankly don't think a rotten pos like myself needs to be hanging around truly good church folk, I may get hit by lightning just walking up the church sidewalk, get thee away from my house demon!!!!!
Gunner, come on brother, let’s get your Sharpe’s out and make some thunder with it...We can also discuss the miracles of God, gunpowder, and open sights while we smack steel at 550 yards.
You bet Jag, and fully agreed, but still the struggle remains.
Hell yeah Beav, God is great, Sharps rifles and black powder are good, especially one that wears a Distant Thunder front sight, although, it'd need to ask for about 3 more MOA's on that Hoke tang sight staff to reach the five five 0!
You're kidding? You're a pos to Satan. To God, you're his kid. Would you listen to your kid. Would you want to forgive your kid?
…10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.…
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye. shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh.
Truth be known, Gun, GOD probably loves you almost as much as me. I know that's prolly hard to believe.
Quit listening to satan. He lies like a liberal and strives mightily to come between HIM and You. Satan loves misery and wants misery for you and your Father in Heaven.
If someone could "scientifically" prove creation or the existence of God, then believing in them would no longer require faith.
How would that be a problem?
Church would get real crowded.
Which church? Simply proving a God or even creation doesn't change too much, many people already beleive in at least some sort of higher power. People tend to assume that proving a God means proving their particular version of God, which it doesn't do. .
How do you know what "proving a God" entails? What are you basing that particular opinion on?
Simply proving a God or even creation doesn't change too much, many people already beleive in at least some sort of higher power.
Christianity is reportedly the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019. And, as you said, it doesn’t change too much. Many things about the country are pretty messed up. And many, many things about the people of our country...especially those who profess to be Christians...are pretty messed up as well.
Thanks for the votes of confidence Men, however, my biggest hurtle is worthiness, I frankly don't think a rotten pos like myself needs to be hanging around truly good church folk, I may get hit by lightning just walking up the church sidewalk, get thee away from my house demon!!!!!
It's called grace brother, God giving us what we don't deserve. All of us deserve to go to hell, but by grace many of us won't. God loves everyone, and desires that everyone accept him and go to heaven.
Thanks for the votes of confidence Men, however, my biggest hurtle is worthiness, I frankly don't think a rotten pos like myself needs to be hanging around truly good church folk, I may get hit by lightning just walking up the church sidewalk, get thee away from my house demon!!!!!
It's called grace brother, God giving us what we don't deserve. All of us deserve to go to hell, but by grace many of us won't. God loves everyone, and desires that everyone accept him and go to heaven.
If someone could "scientifically" prove creation or the existence of God, then believing in them would no longer require faith.
How would that be a problem?
Church would get real crowded.
Which church? Simply proving a God or even creation doesn't change too much, many people already beleive in at least some sort of higher power. People tend to assume that proving a God means proving their particular version of God, which it doesn't do. .
How do you know what "proving a God" entails? What are you basing that particular opinion on?
I don't think I understand your question. I'm saying that if we had absolute proof that creation took place,and therefore a higher power must exist, we still aren't much closer to knowing what that higher power is like or what,if anything,we can do to please or displease it. I just find that Christian's mostly tend to argue for creation and existence of God with the assumption that it means their particular versions of those are true.
I just find that Christian's mostly tend to argue for creation and existence of God with the assumption that it means their particular versions of those are true.
I agree with that. It's just that if/when someone finds "proof," I have no idea what that "proof" would look like, or what it would prove. It might be more specific than you or I think.
Originally Posted by 280shooter
Why are so many of "Faith" on a constant quest for proof?
That's my question as well. You only have to satisfy yourself.
In some ways, since no one is perfect, the real question isn’t: “Why does anyone go to hell?” but: “Why does anyone go to heaven?”
If life were “fair”, we would all go to hell and no one would get to live in heaven, in God’s perfect kingdom beyond Jesus’ return. But the amazing news is that God has done something to make it possible for imperfect people like us to live in his perfect kingdom beyond death, and he did it through Jesus, his Son. Jesus will return to this world to judge and punish; but first, he came to this world to serve and to save.
Jesus made it possible for people to have life with God instead of the hell we deserve by taking the punishment of separation from his Father God’s love and all good things. That’s what he did on the cross, where he cried out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34)
People tend to assume that proving a God means proving their particular version of God,
Competing mythologies and draconian measures of stamping out the pagan competition is the way In which monotheism of Jews and christians took hold and were able spread.
Systematically destroying pagan shrines and temples Across the land is not what one would call conversion through 'Faith'..
Then you had the effects of later Roman emperors Converting to christian,..making christianity more Like an imperial cult or state religion.
Anyone with Roman history knowledge, knows that adopting the emperors religious beliefs and honoring The emperor/empire by showing pantronage to such could gain you real world benefits and advantages.
the spread of christianity had much more to do with that than the 'spiritual faith' gullible dill brains like to attribute it to.
Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self
To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt
Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it. He says those sins are not remembered.
When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.
People tend to assume that proving a God means proving their particular version of God,
Competing mythologies and draconian measures of stamping out the pagan competition is the way In which monotheism of Jews and christians took hold and were able spread.
Systematically destroying pagan shrines and temples Across the land is not what one would call conversion through 'Faith'..
Then you had the effects of later Roman emperors Converting to christian,..making christianity more Like an imperial cult or state religion.
Without Constantine Christianity would not be the religion it is today. Nor would there be a bible.
Without Constantine Christianity would not be the religion it is today. Nor would there be a bible.
Later 4th century emperors also pushed the christian cart, Some specifically converting to catholic and giving standover azzholes like Saint Martin of Tours the freedom to systematically destroy the pagan Polytheist beliefs that were causing no real problem for the empire...the driving force was that Christianity could not tolerate or stand people having free will to choose their own religion.
Christian leaders teaming up with state leaders to get it over the people for mutual self interest driven benefit.
'FAITH' through various means of coersion, brainwashing, and physical violence.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc.
Absolutely not true. Peer reviewed studies show exactly the opposite. My every measure of well being as fundamentalism increases results decrease.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
Thanks for the votes of confidence Men, however, my biggest hurtle is worthiness, I frankly don't think a rotten pos like myself needs to be hanging around truly good church folk, I may get hit by lightning just walking up the church sidewalk, get thee away from my house demon!!!!!
It's called grace brother, God giving us what we don't deserve. All of us deserve to go to hell, but by grace many of us won't. God loves everyone, and desires that everyone accept him and go to heaven.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
Now try to imagine all of that, and God was already there, before all of that.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
Now try to imagine all of that, and God was already there, before all of that.
We know that there is a universe and a planet earth, moon, stars, etc, because we can observe and test these things...but as yet, despite countless contradictory claims, nobody has been able to demonstrate the existence of a God or gods.
Plus the point was missed. 3 billion years of microbes before simple multicellular organisms emerged, and numerous extinction events, does not paint a picture of special creation.
Hey JG, Wabi or Jag, I just went and listened to a favorite Christmas song I had Wife save for me in the favorites box, i'll never get there men, it simply isn't possible for me, can one of you i.t. gifted hands go get that video and post it here?
Bill & Gloria Gaither - O holy Night [Live] ft. David Phelps
Too much REAL good in that little church, right there in the same state as Slum and Rene. anyone here go listen to that video, listen to it loud, then watch it again, and pay attention, then get up and go have a long look in the mirror.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
No biggie. Try to imagine, He spoke the Heavens and earth into existence. Now, that's a biggie.
Hey JG, Wabi or Jag, I just went and listened to a favorite Christmas song I had Wife save for me in the favorites box, i'll never get there men, it simply isn't possible for me, can one of you i.t. gifted hands go get that video and post it here?
Bill & Gloria Gaither - O holy Night [Live] ft. David Phelps
Too much REAL good in that little church, right there in the same state as Slum and Rene. anyone here go listen to that video, listen to it loud, then watch it again, and pay attention, then get up and go have a long look in the mirror.
As suspected......................crickets.....................another weary traveler continues to walk alone, out.
Hey JG, Wabi or Jag, I just went and listened to a favorite Christmas song I had Wife save for me in the favorites box, i'll never get there men, it simply isn't possible for me, can one of you i.t. gifted hands go get that video and post it here?
Bill & Gloria Gaither - O holy Night [Live] ft. David Phelps
Too much REAL good in that little church, right there in the same state as Slum and Rene. anyone here go listen to that video, listen to it loud, then watch it again, and pay attention, then get up and go have a long look in the mirror.
Is this the one gunner? David Phelps has an amazing voice.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
No biggie. Try to imagine, He spoke the Heavens and earth into existence. Now, that's a biggie.
Solar system formation is not spoken into existence. A solar system forms from interstellar gas and dust through the action of gravity and mass, which appears to be a common occurrence given that hundreds of planets have been detected orbiting other stars. It's a natural process.
That's not an argument. Believe whatever you like, but that doesn't mean that what your believe to be true is in fact true. Unless you are doing harm, nobody cares.
Look, you gotta use half your brain and get the clue believers keep on telling you.
You go outside and look up into the heavens or at all creation around you.
Now, logically, you gotta say either there is a creator or there ain't no creator, bro.
So, if there is no creator, what's the use in arguing? We are all dead and gone in the blink of an eye, right?
There is nothing for you to argue about. In a few we too will find that out, right? What's the use!
Now, OTOH, if there is a Creator who made all you see, aren't you just pure dumbassed stupid to argue science with the creator of it, namely HE. Your showing off your IQ to impress HE is just the height of stupidity, DBT.
You're not going to impress HIM or me. If HE exists you arent smart enough to impress HIM.
If He doesnt, your IQ means nada to me.
Go sell your crap for fertilizer. Get something for it.
Look, you gotta use half your brain and get the clue believers keep on telling you.
You go outside and look up into the heavens or at all creation around you.
Now, logically, you gotta say either there is a creator or there ain't no creator, bro.
So, if there is no creator, what's the use in arguing? We are all dead and gone in the blink of an eye, right?
There is nothing for you to argue about. In a few we too will find that out, right? What's the use!
Now, OTOH, if there is a Creator who made all you see, aren't you just pure dumbassed stupid to argue science with the creator of it, namely HE. Your showing off your IQ to impress HE is just the height of stupidity, DBT.
You're not going to impress HIM or me. If HE exists you arent smart enough to impress HIM.
If He doesnt, your IQ means nada to me.
Go sell your crap for fertilizer. Get something for it.
So now its childish insults and displays of anger and outrage, not even attempting to offer a reasoned argument in a reasonable adult manner. Which means that you have lost the plot...sorry to say.
Look, you gotta use half your brain and get the clue believers keep on telling you.
You go outside and look up into the heavens or at all creation around you.
Now, logically, you gotta say either there is a creator or there ain't no creator, bro.
So, if there is no creator, what's the use in arguing? We are all dead and gone in the blink of an eye, right?
There is nothing for you to argue about. In a few we too will find that out, right? What's the use!
Now, OTOH, if there is a Creator who made all you see, aren't you just pure dumbassed stupid to argue science with the creator of it, namely HE. Your showing off your IQ to impress HE is just the height of stupidity, DBT.
You're not going to impress HIM or me. If HE exists you arent smart enough to impress HIM.
If He doesnt, your IQ means nada to me.
Go sell your crap for fertilizer. Get something for it.
So now its childish insults and displays of anger and outrage, not even attempting to offer a reasoned argument in a reasonable adult manner. Which means that you have lost the plot...sorry to say.
He does that so often its unreal... being as predictable as he is, I guarantee he gets all proud of himself.
Meanwhile everyone else is laughing at him for being so elementary, especially when he brags how intelligent he is over all the other “dumbasses”...
Sounds like someone is all flustered-out. I think DBT has clearly won this debate.
Yep. You win the argument. That means there is no Creator. There is no God for you.
HE even says that in the Bible. There is no GOD for those who dont believe.
Reckon we best change the Declaration of Independence. We have no inalienable rights.
You guys should have been around when that was being signed.
You are free to believe whatever you like. It's not a matter of who wins, but what is true regardless of who believes what....so why put yourself in the position of having your beliefs questioned?
Sounds like someone is all flustered-out. I think DBT has clearly won this debate.
Yep. You win the argument. That means there is no Creator. There is no God for you.
HE even says that in the Bible. There is no GOD for those who dont believe.
Reckon we best change the Declaration of Independence. We have no inalienable rights.
You guys should have been around when that was being signed.
You are free to believe whatever you like. It's not a matter of who wins, but working out what is true regardless of who believes what....so why put yourself in the position of having your beliefs questioned?
Oh gee thanks. I appreciate that you allow me to think as I wish. That's so benevolent of you. It must be why you jump in and crap on every thread posted by us stupid believers.
Man, if you all had just been around 2000 years ago you could have enlightened the world and prevented so many problems.
Why not post your own Anti-Christ or Atheist threads and see if believers crap on your right to believe as you wish.
Personally, I'm overjoyed to consider pukes like you wont be around in Heaven and that realization drives me to strive to please HIM more and it makes me that much more thankful for HIS sacrifice.
That's not an argument. Believe whatever you like, but that doesn't mean that what your believe to be true is in fact true. Unless you are doing harm, nobody cares.
It goes both ways doesn't it? Some day we'll see who is right, won't we?
Philippians 2:9-11 (NKJV)
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do you consider yourself to be a representative of Christianity? Yours is a Christian demenear and way of interacting with people whom you disagree with?
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
No biggie. Try to imagine, He spoke the Heavens and earth into existence. Now, that's a biggie.
Solar system formation is not spoken into existence. A solar system forms from interstellar gas and dust through the action of gravity and mass, which appears to be a common occurrence given that hundreds of planets have been detected orbiting other stars. It's a natural process.
You do realize that scientists do not have an explanation for that a most suggest there had to be a creation to make any of that possible. Use your brain, where did all that gas and dust come from? Once there was nothingness and all of a sudden theres space gas and dust?
We all have our own beliefs regarding Creation. I believe in Creation through evolution. I believe the world and life on this earth are God's creation, and I believe that evolution was a very clever way that God used to achieve His creative objectives. And the idea that the Power that created the universe is interested in having a relationship with me, one of His creations, is the heart of the message that Jesus...in His humanity...brought to the world. Everything else pales in comparison to that idea, to me. Once that relationship was established, fine theological points I once thought so important, evaporated.
We all have our own beliefs regarding Creation. I believe in Creation through evolution. I believe the world and life on this earth are God's creation, and I believe that evolution was a very clever way that God used to achieve His creative objectives. And the idea that the Power that created the universe is interested in having a relationship with me, one of His creations, is the heart of the message that Jesus...in His humanity...brought to the world. Everything else pales in comparison to that idea, to me. Once that relationship was established, fine theological points I once thought so important, evaporated.
Hey JG, Wabi or Jag, I just went and listened to a favorite Christmas song I had Wife save for me in the favorites box, i'll never get there men, it simply isn't possible for me, can one of you i.t. gifted hands go get that video and post it here?
Bill & Gloria Gaither - O holy Night [Live] ft. David Phelps
Too much REAL good in that little church, right there in the same state as Slum and Rene. anyone here go listen to that video, listen to it loud, then watch it again, and pay attention, then get up and go have a long look in the mirror.
Is this the one gunner? David Phelps has an amazing voice.
Yeah, that's it JG and Jag, Thanks, I just wanted others that may be perusing this thread to see it, other weary travelers looking for proof, that's in the thread title you know, I saw something real there, something alive and living in that house AND singer, that was NOT acting, something alive and living in those people, it came in through my ears and traveled all the way down and settled nicely in my black guts, very emotional, I listened to that video repeatedly till 11 p.m. last night then went to bed, must have watched/heard it 30 times.
An apology. Appears I misunderstood Antlers' reply to my earlier comment and gave him a snarky reply. Shouldn't have given a snotty response, no matter what. Sorry ol' head.
Hey JG, Wabi or Jag, I just went and listened to a favorite Christmas song I had Wife save for me in the favorites box, i'll never get there men, it simply isn't possible for me, can one of you i.t. gifted hands go get that video and post it here?
Bill & Gloria Gaither - O holy Night [Live] ft. David Phelps
Too much REAL good in that little church, right there in the same state as Slum and Rene. anyone here go listen to that video, listen to it loud, then watch it again, and pay attention, then get up and go have a long look in the mirror.
Is this the one gunner? David Phelps has an amazing voice.
Yeah, that's it JG and Jag, Thanks, I just wanted others that may be perusing this thread to see it, other weary travelers looking for proof, that's in the thread title you know, I saw something real there, something alive and living in that house AND singer, that was NOT acting, something alive and living in those people, it came in through my ears and traveled all the way down and settled nicely in my black guts, very emotional, I listened to that video repeatedly till 11 p.m. last night then went to bed, must have watched/heard it 30 times.
PTL. He whispers to the heart of those He calls out to by different methods. Many are called, few are chosen, because they reject Him.
Some forget about the vast expanse of time when there were only microbes on the planet....3 billion years before multicellular organisms emerged. To repeat, 3 billion years. Try to imagine that.
No biggie. Try to imagine, He spoke the Heavens and earth into existence. Now, that's a biggie.
Solar system formation is not spoken into existence. A solar system forms from interstellar gas and dust through the action of gravity and mass, which appears to be a common occurrence given that hundreds of planets have been detected orbiting other stars. It's a natural process.
You do realize that scientists do not have an explanation for that a most suggest there had to be a creation to make any of that possible. Use your brain, where did all that gas and dust come from? Once there was nothingness and all of a sudden theres space gas and dust?
I was responding to the claim that the earth was 'spoken into existence' - when clearly it was not.
Now you are projecting the issue back to the origin of the matter/energy itself and using the God of the Gaps fallacy....we don't know something therefore God did it.
It's quite likely that something always existed, time being relative. It's a complex issue, and saying 'God did it' doesn't actually explain a thing.
Those couple of billion are wrong. Remember when everyone thought the earth was flat?
No. I wasn't around then. Why are they wrong and you're not? I really believe you are wrong and I am right.
Do you have a book written by 40 people over thousands of years that archaeology has proven correct time and time again, that says God didn't speak the world and universe into existence?
The scientists you worship do no better now at dealing with cold than they did then. The scientists of the day said the earth was flat. Too bad you werent aware of that.
Come on, tell us all about how Trump is a nut for his words about God and the Bible today.
I was responding to the claim that the earth was 'spoken into existence' - when clearly it was not.
Clearly? Well, there are a couple billion who might disagree with you. I do. I fully believe God spoke the world, and the universe, into existence.
But then, I know Him and you do not. That may be why we think differently about that.
We have images of stars forming from clouds of gas and dust, gravity, mass and spin forming accression discs which collapses into planets of various sizes and types, gas giants, etc. It's a natural process with nobody speaking it into existence or directing how it goes.....
The scientists you worship do no better now at dealing with cold than they did then. The scientists of the day said the earth was flat. Too bad you werent aware of that.
I was responding to the claim that the earth was 'spoken into existence' - when clearly it was not.
Clearly? Well, there are a couple billion who might disagree with you. I do. I fully believe God spoke the world, and the universe, into existence.
But then, I know Him and you do not. That may be why we think differently about that.
We have images of stars forming from clouds of gas and dust, gravity, mass and spin forming accression discs which collapses into planets of various sizes and types, gas giants, etc. It's a natural process with nobody speaking it into existence or directing how it goes.....
That's how it was just a coincidence the 4 consecutive Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015 just happened to fall on Hebrew Calendar Holy Days, the only blood moons to occur before the history making Trump election.
That's also the same as the Blood Moon Tetrads occured just before Israel was voted into being a nation in 1948 and the same as happened just before the 6 day war in 1967.
The previous history changing event was ushered in by the Blood Moon Tetrad and Columbus discovering North America.
The scientists you worship do no better now at dealing with cold than they did then. The scientists of the day said the earth was flat. Too bad you werent aware of that.
Emotional language is not an argument.
Where did the elements and gasses come from that led to the great explosion?
According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power
According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power
but according to wackos like you , it has to be a christian God or their God is false.
which God did all those scientists believe in?
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
That's an example of man creating god
thats good enough for most christians , which says a lot about their credulence in regards to mythology.
I was responding to the claim that the earth was 'spoken into existence' - when clearly it was not.
Clearly? Well, there are a couple billion who might disagree with you. I do. I fully believe God spoke the world, and the universe, into existence.
But then, I know Him and you do not. That may be why we think differently about that.
We have images of stars forming from clouds of gas and dust, gravity, mass and spin forming accression discs which collapses into planets of various sizes and types, gas giants, etc. It's a natural process with nobody speaking it into existence or directing how it goes.....
That's how it was just a coincidence the 4 consecutive Blood Moons in 2014 and 2015 just happened to fall on Hebrew Calendar Holy Days, the only blood moons to occur before the history making Trump election.
That's also the same as the Blood Moon Tetrads occured just before Israel was voted into being a nation in 1948 and the same as happened just before the 6 day war in 1967.
The previous history changing event was ushered in by the Blood Moon Tetrad and Columbus discovering North America.
They have to fall on some day at some time. Things coincide. There are more incredible coincidences that have nothing to do with calenders or religion. We live in a vast and complex universe.
AiG is not a reliable source of information, theirs is a literal interpretation of the bible, an actual World flood, young earth creationism, etc....all disproven long ago.
According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power
It varies between nations. Their belief has nothing to do with science. It is their personal faith.
Looks like Islam could be overtaking Christianity by popularity in the near future - you guys sure you've got your beliefs right? Could be god putting things in order.
AiG is not a reliable source of information, theirs is a literal interpretation of the bible, an actual World flood, young earth creationism, etc....all disproven long ago.
Ha. You wish you could disprove HIM. Dream on. Some of us know HIM, better than you know satan.
Look, you gotta use half your brain and get the clue believers keep on telling you.
You go outside and look up into the heavens or at all creation around you.
Now, logically, you gotta say either there is a creator or there ain't no creator, bro.
So, if there is no creator, what's the use in arguing? We are all dead and gone in the blink of an eye, right?
There is nothing for you to argue about. In a few we too will find that out, right? What's the use!
Now, OTOH, if there is a Creator who made all you see, aren't you just pure dumbassed stupid to argue science with the creator of it, namely HE. Your showing off your IQ to impress HE is just the height of stupidity, DBT.
You're not going to impress HIM or me. If HE exists you arent smart enough to impress HIM.
If He doesnt, your IQ means nada to me.
Go sell your crap for fertilizer. Get something for it.
So now its childish insults and displays of anger and outrage, not even attempting to offer a reasoned argument in a reasonable adult manner. Which means that you have lost the plot...sorry to say.
He does that so often its unreal... being as predictable as he is, I guarantee he gets all proud of himself.
Meanwhile everyone else is laughing at him for being so elementary, especially when he brags how intelligent he is over all the other “dumbasses”...
You stupid twat. Do you ever contribute anything useful? Ever?
AiG is not a reliable source of information, theirs is a literal interpretation of the bible, an actual World flood, young earth creationism, etc....all disproven long ago.
Ha. You wish you could disprove HIM. Dream on. Some of us know HIM, better than you know satan.
I don't know any Satan, but your favourite book tells us that Satan is the servant of God, created by him, fulfilling God's plan and doing His bidding.
It tells us that God creates evil and stirs up trouble.
Hahaha. What a lying dumbass. I fear not walking into a lions den, as evidenced by my assault on you lying retards frequenting the fire.
You are defensive all the time. Being defensive is a sign of fear. You lash out from fear and your inability to debate in a civil manner. Insults delivered from the security of your anonymity being your shield. A little man, something a child would do.
I don't come here to pester you to save your soul. If you like what I got I can help you get it. Otherwise I'm just gonna mind my own business. Sometimes a strong believer gets a little too enthused and full of zeel and ends up running people plumb away from God. Also, I'm a weak sinner and I might say a wirdy dird now and then, and I have been known to embibe in too many libations on ocassion. I'm not perfect, but I'm pretty sure I'm forgiven. However I do seem to see not only overly zealous Christians but overly condemning atheist that think they need to pee on our parade. But anyway, so be it. Some of us can be a pain in the ASS too. I've been baptized in the fire and my soul is high tempered steel so you won't kill my belief.
People tend to blame God for bad things. The Bible says Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. God removed his "hedge of protection" from Job to show Satan Job wouldn't curse God and die. Satan brought disease, killed his kids, and he lost his wealth. Job never turned from God, and then God told Satan to leave and God blessed Job with more than he originally had and gave him more children.
That is just one example. People who don't know God, God cannot or will not help them, only Born Again Christians does He help, but they too can be tried and tested.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc. This study was done by the Billy Graham Association a few years ago.
God created man but didn't create robots. He gave man free will. One sin, even a little one, and God turns his back on man. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior will God hear your prayers.
People start reading the Bible from Genesis, but they should start with the New Testament, then go to the Old. The New Testament is for today, and teaches you how to be born again, how a Christian is supposed to live, treat each other etc. The Old Testament shows Gods holiness and his wrath against sin, and how no one can keep the law. The New Testament shows Gods love and mercy and how one can be forgiven of their sins. Just start by reading the New Testament and see for yourselves. It is simple. New and Old are two sides of the same coin, showing Gods holiness and wrath, and His mercy and Grace.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc. This study was done by the Billy Graham Association a few years ago.
Bullshit! Nice try. Imagine that The Billy Graham Association did a study that found church goers have all these beneifts! No sh_t....... And you believe the Study? Really christ sake you aren't to dam bright. You clearly know nothing about collecting scientific data, and I am guessing have never heard of confirmation bias. You religious folks sure know how to shoot yourselves in the foot!
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
People tend to blame God for bad things. The Bible says Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. God removed his "hedge of protection" from Job to show Satan Job wouldn't curse God and die. Satan brought disease, killed his kids, and he lost his wealth. Job never turned from God, and then God told Satan to leave and God blessed Job with more than he originally had and gave him more children.
That is just one example. People who don't know God, God cannot or will not help them, only Born Again Christians does He help, but they too can be tried and tested.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc. This study was done by the Billy Graham Association a few years ago.
God created man but didn't create robots. He gave man free will. One sin, even a little one, and God turns his back on man. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior will God hear your prayers.
People start reading the Bible from Genesis, but they should start with the New Testament, then go to the Old. The New Testament is for today, and teaches you how to be born again, how a Christian is supposed to live, treat each other etc. The Old Testament shows Gods holiness and his wrath against sin, and how no one can keep the law. The New Testament shows Gods love and mercy and how one can be forgiven of their sins. Just start by reading the New Testament and see for yourselves. It is simple. New and Old are two sides of the same coin, showing Gods holiness and wrath, and His mercy and Grace.
Statistics show Christians (those who attend church more than once a week) live around 5-7 years longer than the general population. They have less sickness and lower divorce rates, fewer accidents, etc. This study was done by the Billy Graham Association a few years ago.
Bullshit! Nice try. Imagine that The Billy Graham Association did a study that found church goers have all these beneifts! No sh_t....... And you believe the Study? Really christ sack you aren't to dam bright. You clearly know nothing about collecting scientific data, and I am guessing have never heard of confirmation bias. You religious folks sure know how to shoot yourselves in the foot!
Truely! If there was ever a more bias sorce of data collection...
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self
To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt
Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it. He says those sins are not remembered.
When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.
Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Wait a minute God is all powerful. If God was all powerful nobody and nothing could interfere with God. See how easy it is to debunk all this nonsense?
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
Uh, iirc, that's GODS words. No I am sure those are words created and written by man!
Gutless pos deflecting again when the schiett comes down to the nut cutting is what I see.
Change the subject, huh, gutless?
I was not the one to change the subject or offer insults instead of arguments, that's you and those who support you. It appears that you have a reputation for these tactics.
Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self
To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt
Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it. He says those sins are not remembered.
When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.
Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Wait a minute God is all powerful. If God was all powerful nobody and nothing could interfere with God. See how easy it is to debunk all this nonsense?
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
Your question is answered in detail in the verses following what I quoted, but I'm sure you knew that already.
Ephesians 4:18 ESV They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
And you're the spokesperson for the dumbasses who support the traitorus dimocommies.
Tell us, dumbass, how open borders and muzzy immigration are good for the US and why China and Japan dont follow the DNC plan.
I haven't noticed any open borders. Ever. I guess we need to subjugate our country China and Japan, eh? Brilliant idea. I'm sure it will over well with conservatives. Great idea...
Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Wait a minute God is all powerful. If God was all powerful nobody and nothing could interfere with God..
but you see, God sent down satan to purposely interfere, he never asked for the job, he was demoted to that job.
iTs entirely Gods will that satan gets to screw around with people, which ultimately means God is using his obedient adversary satan like a proxy, to screw around with people like crash test dummies.
All this resentment jX has toward satan, yet the mythological narrative shows satan is only following Gods instructions and plan.
There are statistical problems with Darwin's model. And, we cannot even describe consciousness, let alone explain how a pile of random elements, that supposedly self created and self organized, attained it.
There are statistical problems with Darwin's model. And, we cannot even describe consciousness, let alone eexplain how a pile of random elements, that supposedly self created and self organized, attained it.
We can't explain a lot of things, but that doesn't automatically mean God did it.
Consciousness is an extremely difficult thing to explain, but it is clear that it is a feature of brain activity...we just don't know exactly how the brain is forming conscious experience of the world and self, only that it does.
Progress has been made in understanding brain function.
There are statistical problems with Darwin's model. And, we cannot even describe consciousness, let alone explain how a pile of random elements, that supposedly self created and self organized, attained it.
There are statistical problems with Darwin's model. And, we cannot even describe consciousness, let alone eexplain how a pile of random elements, that supposedly self created and self organized, attained it.
We can't explain a lot of things, but that doesn't automatically mean God did it.
Consciousness is an extremely difficult thing to explain, but it is clear that it is a feature of brain activity...we just don't know how the brain is forming conscious experience of the world and self.
As for evolution, that is an established reality.
Watch the video. Then speak to the statistics. Then show us all a hydrogen atom, you or any of you pals have Created from nothing.
There are statistical problems with Darwin's model. And, we cannot even describe consciousness, let alone explain how a pile of random elements, that supposedly self created and self organized, attained it.
Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self
To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt
Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it. He says those sins are not remembered.
When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.
Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Wait a minute God is all powerful. If God was all powerful nobody and nothing could interfere with God. See how easy it is to debunk all this nonsense?
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
So he only created Heaven and Earth? So who created everything else, because there is a hell of a lot more that god didn't create than he did create. Taken from your own words.
It looks like crickets as far as DBT and la Roy explaining where the elements for life came from before the big bang.
It also appears they cant explain how the first gene defect resulting in a new species like say, a male bird from a fish, also had the same exact genetic defect occur just across the pond and luckily resulting in s female bird and viola, here I get to go quail hunting half the day. Gee thanks Darwin.
But they have the Darwin Award down pat. "Evolution made me from a monkey".
We can't explain a lot of things, but that doesn't automatically mean God did it.
Consciousness is an extremely difficult thing to explain, but it is clear that it is a feature of brain activity...we just don't know how the brain is forming conscious experience of the world and self.
As for evolution, that is an established reality.
Watch the video. Then speak to the statistics. Then show us all a hydrogen atom, you or any of you pals have Created from nothing.
I don't have time for videos. It's a discussion forum not a video watchers club.
If you think that there is a statistical problem with evolution, please explain it yourself, or post a relevant quote. Either is fine, but no videos.
Hahahaha. But, if it was a pro Darwin satanic BS video you would have time.
Oh, but you had time for all that scientific research, excuse for Truth, BS you've been laying on us, didnt you?
You know what? A little birdy told me you 1. Have plenty of time and 2. Are too afraid your bubble may be burst and 3. Are a liar. That's why you dont have time for the Truth on that video.
You know what that little birdy's name is? Angel 1.
You ought to ask the Lord to come into your hard heart and send you a couple of real Angel's, rather than those worthless fallen ones.
It looks like crickets as far as DBT and la Roy explaining where the elements for life came from before the big bang.
It also appears they cant explain how the first gene defect resulting in a new species like say, a male bird from a fish, also had the same exact genetic defect occur just across the pond and luckily resulting in s female bird and viola, here I get to go quail hunting half the day. Gee thanks Darwin.
But they have the Darwin Award down pat. "Evolution made me from a monkey".
Sheesh, and they are the geniuses.
It's no mystery where the heavy elements came from. First there was hydrogen, then the first generation of giant short lived unstable stars formed, nuclear processes took over, hydrogen to helium through to the heavy elements....do I really need to explain kindergarten physics?
Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self
To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt
Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it. He says those sins are not remembered.
When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.
Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.
Wait a minute God is all powerful. If God was all powerful nobody and nothing could interfere with God. See how easy it is to debunk all this nonsense?
Oh, but you had time for all that scientific research BS you've been laying on us.
You know what? A little birdy told me you 1. Have plenty of time and 2. Are too afraid your bubble may be burst and 3. Are a liar. That's why you dont have time for the Truth on that video.
You know what that little birdy's name is? Angel 1.
We can't explain a lot of things, but that doesn't automatically mean God did it.
Consciousness is an extremely difficult thing to explain, but it is clear that it is a feature of brain activity...we just don't know how the brain is forming conscious experience of the world and self.
As for evolution, that is an established reality.
Watch the video. Then speak to the statistics. Then show us all a hydrogen atom, you or any of you pals have Created from nothing.
I don't have time for videos. It's a discussion forum not a video watchers club.
If you think that there is a statistical problem with evolution, please explain it yourself, or post a relevant quote. Either is fine, but no videos.
If you don't have time to learn something, I suspect you don't know much, really.
do you buy the narrative of Noahs ark, a ghost fathered virgin birth, corpse raising from the dead then flying up into the sky, and sinners burning in a christian narrative hell?
since no other christian here can tell us, maybe you can 'educate' us;
- where did the material flesh/blood body of Jesus end up? heaven is supposedly a spiritual realm not material, yes?
[quote=jaguartx]Oh, but you had time for all that scientific research BS you've been laying on us.
You know what? A little birdy told me you 1. Have plenty of time and 2. Are too afraid your bubble may be burst and 3. Are a liar. That's why you dont have time for the Truth on that video.
You know what that little birdy's name is? Angel 1.
So you have no real arguments? Thought not.
Hahaha. Where did the stuff come from that blew up, paper tiger?
And you're the spokesperson for the dumbasses who support the traitorus dimocommies.
Tell us, dumbass, how open borders and muzzy immigration are good for the US and why China and Japan dont follow the DNC plan.
I haven't noticed any open borders. Ever. I guess we need to subjugate our country China and Japan, eh? Brilliant idea. I'm sure it will over well with conservatives. Great idea...
Not surprised you were too stupid to see Zeros orders on the border and tens of thousands crossing and turning themselves over to BP.
I guess you also forgot the tens of thousands of kids brought across we havent been able to send home.
Thankfully, most Americans arent as stupid as you.
We can't explain a lot of things, but that doesn't automatically mean God did it.
Consciousness is an extremely difficult thing to explain, but it is clear that it is a feature of brain activity...we just don't know how the brain is forming conscious experience of the world and self.
As for evolution, that is an established reality.
Watch the video. Then speak to the statistics. Then show us all a hydrogen atom, you or any of you pals have Created from nothing.
I don't have time for videos. It's a discussion forum not a video watchers club.
If you think that there is a statistical problem with evolution, please explain it yourself, or post a relevant quote. Either is fine, but no videos.
If you don't have time to learn something, I suspect you don't know much, really.
It's not a matter of me learning, but the claimant - you on this occasion - supporting their own claims. Posting a video is just lazy. I'm not new to these debates, and I do have a reasonably good understanding of science.
[quote=jaguartx]Oh, but you had time for all that scientific research BS you've been laying on us.
You know what? A little birdy told me you 1. Have plenty of time and 2. Are too afraid your bubble may be burst and 3. Are a liar. That's why you dont have time for the Truth on that video.
You know what that little birdy's name is? Angel 1.
So you have no real arguments? Thought not.
Hahaha. Where did the stuff come from that blew up, paper tiger?
You don't recognize rational arguments, explanations or appear to remotely understand the nature and significance of evidence.
Your manner of response being on the level of a petulant five year old. That is not meant as an insult, just an observation.
The purpose of your insults delivered from the safety of you anonymity is to discourage questioning, maintain your faith and make it appear that you have something worthwhile to add to the debate.
You are only fooling yourself...and of course those who are like minded in their faith, not willing to question or discuss reality.
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