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Possibly but not likely. A bill has cleared a state house committee to end it. However, this was tried last year and it was defeated in a full house vote by 55-15.
I don't understand the legislative love for daylight time. I know of almost no people who like it. In the summer here, it doesn't get fully dark until 10:30pm. That's 9:30 in the north half of the state since we're split between 2 time zones.
I wish they would do away with it here in La., but we're right in the middle of the Central Time Zone, so I aint gonna happen. I wouldn't care which one they stayed on, just stop the flipping back and forth.
Here in Indiana, we were on Eastern Standard Time for 35-36 yrs., the year round. Then the Gov. and legislators decided we needed to go on DST. I don't get it. we have 4 time zones in the us, and N.Y. and LA are ALWAYS going to be 3 hrs. apart. Great idea would be to set the time at 1/2 hr. between fast/slow time, in each time zone, then forget it. Leave the d**n clocks alone!!
I wish the entire Mountain Time Zone would follow Arizona's lead on this. Hell, we're the forgotten and ignored time zone already; why not just go our own way altogether?
DST....fixing something that wasn't broken.

And politicians wonder why they are so despised....
The argument always comes up about safety for kids waiting for buses. If parents are concerned, why don't they put up a pole at the bus stop with a solar panel and a light on a timer? Prices on panels and LED lights have dropped dramatically and there are some good ones at low prices.
I wish they would do away with it.
They try to overturn DST every year here, and they are trying again this year. I don't have a problem with doing away with DST, but not if Colorado doesn't. About a third of the population of this state is within 10-30 minutes of the Colorado front range, which is utilized for medical care, airports and shopping, and having to make an adjustment for the difference would be a real pain for a lot of people.
Personally I'd rather have DST all year. I'd rather be in the office while it's dark in the morning. When I get home I got things to do outside and rather it be light.
As Paul Harvey, daylight savings time saves neither daylight or time.


I wish the whole country would do away with it.

Maybe split the difference, move our clocks ahead half an hour in a couple months and leave them there for all eternity.
I could live with DST, if the politicians in office, would just go away....and drop dead.. especially if they are a democRAT...
Before I retired I very much preferred DST as it gave me an extra hour after work to be outside fishing or hunting.
Never could see why anyone would prefer less daylight hours after getting off work.
When I was working, I didn't need for it to be light until 11:00 I was getting up at 5 in the morning. Now, no job and I don't care. Further north, where there is 22 hours of daylight, there little need to save it. GD
Originally Posted by MickeyD
Before I retired I very much preferred DST as it gave me an extra hour after work to be outside fishing or hunting.
Never could see why anyone would prefer less daylight hours after getting off work.


Agreed. Here in Alberta they are trying to go with straight DST, I hope it goes through.
Setting the time isn't really an arbitrary thing. Originally and ideally, time zones were set so that the sun was due south at clock noon in the center of the time zone. It's an astronomical setting and its base is the observatory at Greenwich, England. In the military, confusion was avoided by referring to "Greenwich time" (which was eventually shortened to Zulu Time for reasons only the military knows.)

Changing to permanent DST would screw that all up. Staying on Standard time is the only sensible course.
Originally Posted by Steve
Personally I'd rather have DST all year. I'd rather be in the office while it's dark in the morning. When I get home I got things to do outside and rather it be light.


Bingo, Winner Winner and the inevitable chicken dinner.

I have no use for light at 0430 in the summer. Even 0530 is before I get up to feed the chickens. But I have no problem splitting wood, weed whacking, gardening, etc until nearly 2200 during DST.

Our state is moving to an 0830 start time for schools anyway, so WTF? why change the clock back, it's plenty light by the time kids need to get on the bus if they just left it at the DST setting.

Geno

PS, only two reasons to get up way early in the morning...............fishing is one of them...................the other starts with "f" and ends with "ing" also. If that ain't happening I wanna sleep until the sun is well up.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Setting the time isn't really an arbitrary thing. Originally and ideally, time zones were set so that the sun was due south at clock noon in the center of the time zone. It's an astronomical setting and its base is the observatory at Greenwich, England. In the military, confusion was avoided by referring to "Greenwich time" (which was eventually shortened to Zulu Time for reasons only the military knows.)

Changing to permanent DST would screw that all up. Staying on Standard time is the only sensible course.

Who gives a rat's patootie if the sun is due South at noon? We're a little past relying on sundials these days.

I'm sick of having it get dark at 5:00 PM in the Winter - I wish they'd shift us another daylight hour to the afternoon in the Winter months!
Well, Theo, I suppose we could go back to the 1800s when there weren't any time zones and every community set their own clocks. Of course, with that "system" nobody knew when the train was supposed to arrive and confusion reigned everywhere. Fast forward to now and try to make sense of travel times, appointments, or even TV schedules when nobody gives a rat's patootie when noon is.
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It gives some daylight after work for kids to get outside with family and friends.

I noticed it's mostly old fogies set in their ways that don't like DST. It's such a non-inconvenience twice a year, and it gives a lot of working people some after work daylight.
No need to go back Rocky,

I hear there are these things called atomic clocks now. No need to even see the sun to know what time it is. wink

However, noon with the sun directly south might come in handy for someone shooting the sun with a sextant while navigating a schooner across the Pacific?

Just funnin' with you. I actually see the reasoning behind the human construct called "time" and how it can be used to our advantage. Doesn't matter where we set the start point, there's exactly so many hours and minutes of light in a day at a given location on Urth. Some of us just differ with how and when we want to use it.

I still vote for longer evenings, move the clock another hour opposite the way we move it back in the fall I say...............maybe 2 hours even. I hate dark at 1630.

Geno
Up here, we are on DST right now. We never go off. Come summer, we jump ahead another hour to Daylight-Daylight time. Solar noon then is about 2pm clock time. Big deal, with out long summer daylight hours.

That came about when they consolidated Alaska's time zones. Hawaii is due south of us, but has a one hour time difference.

Really, it's not a big deal in figuring out other times zones, and it is nice some parts of the year, some parts of the state to have the extra daylight after work hours.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Setting the time isn't really an arbitrary thing. Originally and ideally, time zones were set so that the sun was due south at clock noon in the center of the time zone. It's an astronomical setting and its base is the observatory at Greenwich, England. In the military, confusion was avoided by referring to "Greenwich time" (which was eventually shortened to Zulu Time for reasons only the military knows.)

Changing to permanent DST would screw that all up. Staying on Standard time is the only sensible course.
Take a look at a map of the Mtn time zone, specifically southern ID and SE Oregon. That had to be political and economic to tie the whole area to Salt Lake. If they'd continued to follow the MT-ID border straight south to the UT-NV border, it would have split a number of Idaho's larger population areas. Since there's a large mountainous area with a low population in central ID, they split the state there, leaving north ID tied to Spokane.

[Linked Image from c.tadst.com]
Those two Idaho jogs are nuts. They could've come straight down the western border of Idaho. Ditto that silly line on the east side that could've come right down the border of Montana and Wyoming, then a small jog down Colorado. Instead, this cuts three and a bit of a fourth state in two. Doing it neatly would have put the center of the time zone right on the four corners line - just about where it needs to be. And let Canada and Mexico draw their own lines.

I'm in the Standard Time all the time camp. What are you going to do in that "extra" hour of daylight in the winter? Golf? Swim? Sun bathe? Winter only gives us seven to eight hours of daylight anyway, and what you artificially tack onto one end you lose on the other.
Rocky, I'm imagining I'm at near the same latitude as you folks there, right near the southern OR border, so likely about the same amount of daylight.

I'd like the extra hour at night, even in winter. No swimming or sunbathing, but I could be out at 1800 still splitting wood or doing outdoor stuff when I'm awake. Now that's it's January 24, it's already getting light at 0630 or so, and I haven't had breakfast yet even, so I sure as heck ain't going out to work in the yard then.
According to the website I just looked at, sunset is at 5:07 this evening. I'd be much happier if it was 6:07 PM.

But that's 'cause I'm not a morning person.

Geno
DST is a contrivance of little merit. Want more daylight after work? Change the work schedule and leave the rest of us alone. Be a morning person if needed. Try 7-3 or 3-11 for work. If that doesn't work for you try 11 pm-7am. I did that for near 30 years and was fair comfy with driving in darkness. Hell, weren't for that I'd have never got to run over a crocodile on the way to work...didn't spill my coffee BTW.

Whole deal is little more than a fantasy. The solar noon is a good place for 12:00. After all, they didn't name the movie High 1PM did they?

GMT is a good foundation for the planet.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
DST is a contrivance of little merit. Want more daylight after work? Change the work schedule and leave the rest of us alone. Be a morning person if needed. Try 7-3 or 3-11 for work. If that doesn't work for you try 11 pm-7am. I did that for near 30 years and was fair comfy with driving in darkness. Hell, weren't for that I'd have never got to run over a crocodile on the way to work...didn't spill my coffee BTW.

Whole deal is little more than a fantasy. The solar noon is a good place for 12:00. After all, they didn't name the movie High 1PM did they?

GMT is a good foundation for the planet.


Sure,

like High Tea, tweed, "u"s mixed in with "o"s in words like "colour", and Royal Families.

Geno

PS, I will give them the .303 as a decent idea, and someday I'd like a rook rifle too.
Sorry, sold my .297-250 about 10 years back.
Here in Arizona we dont mess with it and we get along just fine.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
" (which was eventually shortened to Zulu Time for reasons only the military knows.)

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From Wiki:

The time zone using UTC is sometimes denoted UTC±00:00 or by the letter Z—a reference to the equivalent nautical time zone (GMT), which has been denoted by a Z since about 1950. Time zones were identified by successive letters of the alphabet and the Greenwich time zone was marked by a Z as it was the point of origin. The letter also refers to the "zone description" of zero hours, which has been used since 1920 (see time zone history). Since the NATO phonetic alphabet word for Z is "Zulu", UTC is sometimes known as "Zulu time". This is especially true in aviation, where "Zulu" is the universal standard.[22] This ensures that all pilots, regardless of location, are using the same 24-hour clock, thus avoiding confusion when flying between time zones.[23] See the list of military time zones for letters used in addition to Z in qualifying time zones other than Greenwich.

Here's a map of the military time zones. Z is the prime meridian. They're named A through M going east and N through Y going west...with a few variations here and there.

[Linked Image from worldtimezone.com]
Once again someone in the South Dakota legislature has introduced a bill to do away with Daylight time. There's also a bill to eliminate sales tax on firearms. That one isn't going anywhere either.

Say. how about changing to Universal Coordinated Time (UTC). It's the metric system of time.Time at 0° longitude. No cumbersome time zones, no ridiculous jogs.
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
What are you going to do in that "extra" hour of daylight in the winter?

Feed the livestock or hunt after my day job.
I love DST.. Wish they would keep it year around..
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Those two Idaho jogs are nuts. They could've come straight down the western border of Idaho. Ditto that silly line on the east side that could've come right down the border of Montana and Wyoming, then a small jog down Colorado. Instead, this cuts three and a bit of a fourth state in two. Doing it neatly would have put the center of the time zone right on the four corners line - just about where it needs to be. And let Canada and Mexico draw their own lines.

I'm in the Standard Time all the time camp. What are you going to do in that "extra" hour of daylight in the winter? Golf? Swim? Sun bathe? Winter only gives us seven to eight hours of daylight anyway, and what you artificially tack onto one end you lose on the other.



You're no doubt retired.

That extra hour means a lot if you work days and are young enough to get use out of afternoon daylight.

As I said, it's the old farts who grumble. The clock is meaningless to most of them.
Originally Posted by luv2safari


As I said, it's the old farts who grumble. The clock is meaningless to most of them.


Think that a bit of a reach. Clocks were a central nexus in my career and remain so in retirement. I'm not unique.
Flopping the clocks around is retarded.

Just keep it on regular time and move on.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Originally Posted by luv2safari


As I said, it's the old farts who grumble. The clock is meaningless to most of them.


Think that a bit of a reach. Clocks were a central nexus in my career and remain so in retirement. I'm not unique.


No, but it has been determined you are disturbed grin

Geno

PS, all I know is it's friggen dark already. Split a round of wood after putting the chickens to bed at 1715, by 1730 it was getting too dark to work outside. I say move that clock the other way in fall, an hour............maybe two.
I want daylight savings time all year 'round.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The argument always comes up about safety for kids waiting for buses. If parents are concerned, why don't they put up a pole at the bus stop with a solar panel and a light on a timer? Prices on panels and LED lights have dropped dramatically and there are some good ones at low prices.



Kids have been waiting on buses and walking to school in the dark in Alaska since public school transportation started up. We equip our kids with reflective items to help them be seen. It's never been an issue.

For us, the time changes are nothing but a pain in the ass as it does nothing for us.
Originally Posted by hatari
I want daylight savings time all year 'round.



That would be my choice.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Originally Posted by luv2safari


As I said, it's the old farts who grumble. The clock is meaningless to most of them.


Think that a bit of a reach. Clocks were a central nexus in my career and remain so in retirement. I'm not unique.



OK...Got me there. I'll just change my post to it's the old farts who grumble. grin grin

I'm just poking noses a little here. Nothing is serious. whistle wink
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