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Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipe.



From the CDC

I understand washing hands, not touching your face, etc., but what does this mean exactly? I'm neither OCD or a germaphobe, never done this before. If there is some product(s) I need to buy and use for this purpose, someone please tell me so I can go to the market to learn they're sold out...LOL Thanks.
Lysol or similar. If they're out of that , rubbing alcohol on a paper towel will work.
Buy a gallon of bleach. If it DOES NOT say concentrated on the bottle mix it 3.5 ounces of bleach to one gallon of water. If it does say concentrated mix at 2.5 ounces/gallon. Buy a bottle of chlorox wipes and refresh the bleach in used wipes with a spray bottle and keep using the wipes. The wipes are sturdy and made to not deteriorate from the bleach. Store shelves will go empty of bleach and wipes shortly. In you home where you should be less exposed a vigorous soap and water wash attending to washing all parts of your hands well should suffice.
well i do have Lysol and rubbing alcohol. Lysol would be a mess and it stinks.
pretty sure the chlorox wipes would be all sold out
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.
Originally Posted by sse
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Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipe.



From the CDC

I understand washing hands, not touching your face, etc., but what does this mean exactly? I'm neither OCD or a germaphobe, never done this before. If there is some product(s) I need to buy and use for this purpose, someone please tell me so I can go to the market to learn they're sold out...LOL Thanks.


There's many types of disinfectant wipes these days. If there hasn't been a case of COVID-19 diagnosed within 300 miles of where you are you might be able to find some for sale.

They're all sold out around here.
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.


This. I can't believe how everyone's gone all gaga about hand sanitizer, bleach etc no health professionals anywhere are giving this advice, complete waste of time and not effective. If you're worried about sanitizing your house first off someone sick had to be there so you're closing the barn after the horse left. But carry on if you must and use soap and water.
Rubbing alcohol, bleach or Lysol will do it as others stated. I bet ammonia would too although not sure what concentration would be required. If this is for at home and wipes are sold out, just use bleach mixed with water or straight rubbing alcohol with a paper towel or washcloth. Or put the bleach/alcohol in a pump spray bottle.
Originally Posted by Salty303
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.


This. I can't believe how everyone's gone all gaga about hand sanitizer, bleach etc no health professionals anywhere are giving this advice, complete waste of time and not effective. If you're worried about sanitizing your house first off someone sick had to be there so you're closing the barn after the horse left. But carry on if you must and use soap and water.
Tough to use soap and water on the gas pump at quickie mart. I'm already carrying hand sanitizer with me all the time and using it after pumping gas, going into the store etc. before I get back in my car and contaminate the steering wheel or forget and touch my face.
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.

Door knob, counter tops, light switches, faucet handles, stair railings, your nose, ass, crotch.
Stuff like that.
Don't sweat it. We're all like this guy:

Luke 12:19 And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry."’
20 "But God said to him, `You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

Use reasonable caution but when your time's up, it's up. Party on!
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.


Do what I told you and wipe the surfaces with the bleach wipes.
Money is the dirtiest thing we normally handle. Coins or bills.....wash those hands!
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Salty303
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.


This. I can't believe how everyone's gone all gaga about hand sanitizer, bleach etc no health professionals anywhere are giving this advice, complete waste of time and not effective. If you're worried about sanitizing your house first off someone sick had to be there so you're closing the barn after the horse left. But carry on if you must and use soap and water.
Tough to use soap and water on the gas pump at quickie mart. I'm already carrying hand sanitizer with me all the time and using it after pumping gas, going into the store etc. before I get back in my car and contaminate the steering wheel or forget and touch my face.


Look up hand sanitizer's effectiveness against virus', its more for bacteria. It's 2nd string in effectiveness compared to good old soap but should kill it. Why not just wear a glove? As far as I go, and I do this ever flu season is open doors with my sleeve not my bare hand.. done.
got this idea from a vet friend of mine.
i carry a water bottle in the vehicle, filled with water and dawn dish water soap. Mainly used in the past for cleaning by hands after gutting a bunch of doves. I am going to be adding alcohol to the mixture. I think it would be pretty effective.
a brother in law who serve on a number of ships in the navy, routinely adds a small amount of bleach to the soapy water when washing dishes.
he said they use to do it on the ships.
makes sense to me.
Bleach is a better disinfectant.
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.


If soap works on your hands, why not on surfaces?

Maybe just standard sanitary practices around the house?

Don't touch doorknobs/handles while out, just like during flu season maybe.

Don't come to our house, we have dogs and are horrible housekeepers. Dogs on the furniture, carpet, etc. If we tried to keep this place "clean" we'd have no time for anything else.

Geno
as far as washing hands, I saw someone say on TV that the soap does not need to be anti-bacterial, and that it is not necessary to use hot water, in fact a lot of hot water will have an adverse effect on skin.
i don't even know if i have any bleach, if not it is probably already sold out, like the TP
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Surfaces
Wear disposable gloves when cleaning and disinfecting surfaces. Gloves should be discarded after each cleaning. If reusable gloves are used, those gloves should be dedicated for cleaning and disinfection of surfaces for COVID-19 and should not be used for other purposes. Consult the manufacturer’s instructions for cleaning and disinfection products used. Clean hands immediately after gloves are removed.

If surfaces are dirty, they should be cleaned using a detergent or soap and water prior to disinfection.
For disinfection, diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol, and most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.
Diluted household bleach solutions can be used if appropriate for the surface. Follow manufacturer’s instructions for application and proper ventilation. Check to ensure the product is not past its expiration date. Never mix household bleach with ammonia or any other cleanser. Unexpired household bleach will be effective against coronaviruses when properly diluted.

Prepare a bleach solution by mixing:
5 tablespoons (1/3rd cup) bleach per gallon of water or
4 teaspoons bleach per quart of water

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.

Door knob, counter tops, light switches, faucet handles, stair railings, your nose, ass, crotch.
Stuff like that.

And your keyboard. Wipe and let air dry.

Use (Unscented) bleach accordion the instructions.
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Don't sweat it. We're all like this guy:

Luke 12:19 And I'll say to myself, "You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry."’
20 "But God said to him, `You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’

Use reasonable caution but when your time's up, it's up. Party on!


I’m not going to hang my leg out of the window when a hatchet murderer is loose in the hood

Ye shall not tempt the Lord thy God
Originally Posted by akasparky
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Surfaces
Wear disposable gloves when cleaning and disinfecting surfaces. Gloves should be discarded after each cleaning. If reusable gloves are used, those gloves should be dedicated for cleaning and disinfection of surfaces for COVID-19 and should not be used for other purposes. Consult the manufacturer’s instructions for cleaning and disinfection products used. Clean hands immediately after gloves are removed.

If surfaces are dirty, they should be cleaned using a detergent or soap and water prior to disinfection.
For disinfection, diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol, and most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.
Diluted household bleach solutions can be used if appropriate for the surface. Follow manufacturer’s instructions for application and proper ventilation. Check to ensure the product is not past its expiration date. Never mix household bleach with ammonia or any other cleanser. Unexpired household bleach will be effective against coronaviruses when properly diluted.

Prepare a bleach solution by mixing:
5 tablespoons (1/3rd cup) bleach per gallon of water or
4 teaspoons bleach per quart of water

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html

thank you
Bleach should be fresh too.

It will ‘expire’ if you’ve had it a few months
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bleach should be fresh too.

It will ‘expire’ if you’ve had it a few months


yeah but dont underestimate the placebo effect.

face masks,cleaning , etc have a psychological 'peace of mind' effect more than anything,
may as well throw in some prayers to complete the package.


Originally Posted by Salty303
I can't believe how everyone's gone all gaga about hand sanitizer, bleach etc
no health professionals anywhere are giving this advice, complete waste of time and not effective.


true, but rarely does common sense and education stand in the way of herd mentality mass panic.

if I was to risk trusting anything at all [homebrew] , it would be an appropriate iodine based solution.

the other option is to find out what medical staff/hospitals use and see if one
can find a source.



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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.

Door knob, counter tops, light switches, faucet handles, stair railings, your nose, ass, crotch.
Stuff like that.

And your keyboard. Wipe and let air dry.

Use (Unscented) bleach accordion the instructions.

And TELEPHONES! Anything you shove up into your face and breathe on. House phones, cell phones, smart phones, whatever. If you share a phone or borrow someone else's phone it's a great way to share germs.
Originally Posted by MikeL2
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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Kyhilljack
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.

Door knob, counter tops, light switches, faucet handles, stair railings, your nose, ass, crotch.
Stuff like that.

And your keyboard. Wipe and let air dry.

Use (Unscented) bleach accordion the instructions.

And TELEPHONES! Anything you shove up into your face and breathe on. House phones, cell phones, smart phones, whatever. If you share a phone or borrow someone else's phone it's a great way to share germs.

Yes.
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle of diluted bleach water on the counter.

A bit of chicken blood on the counter, a few drops of beef drippings, she gives the counter a spray of bleach water and wipes it off with a paper towel.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time. It will keep COVID 19 away as well.

My question would be: what about the produce at the grocery. All those tomatoes, green beans, snow peas, potatoes, carrots, etc sitting on the shelves unwrapped. Handled by every passing shopper, sneezed upon by myriads of dirty little imps. If they are wrapped, they were picked and handled before being wrapped.

How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies? How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?
Originally Posted by slumlord
Bleach should be fresh too.

It will ‘expire’ if you’ve had it a few months


If you cant find bleach but you have a pool or hot tub, the "pool shock" chemical is basically chlorine in powder form (calcium hypochlorite)
Couple bucks for a 1 pound bag that will make hundreds of gallons of disinfectant. Betting it wont sell out like bleach either.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle
of diluted bleach water on the counter.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time.
It will keep COVID 19 away as well.


Can you cite which pharmaceutical co. or scientific finding has confirmed that bleach will kill
the current strain of COVID 19..?.....( there are commercial products verified to work against
other human coronaviruses,but we are not talking about such.)

should also be noted salmonella and E Coli are bacteria, while covid 19 is a virus.


Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle of diluted bleach water on the counter.

A bit of chicken blood on the counter, a few drops of beef drippings, she gives the counter a spray of bleach water and wipes it off with a paper towel.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time. It will keep COVID 19 away as well.

My question would be: what about the produce at the grocery. All those tomatoes, green beans, snow peas, potatoes, carrots, etc sitting on the shelves unwrapped. Handled by every passing shopper, sneezed upon by myriads of dirty little imps. If they are wrapped, they were picked and handled before being wrapped.

How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies? How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?

Just rinse in fresh water.
To add:
Love the smell of bleach in the kitchen after processing fish or butchering chickens.
Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Soap is made from fat. Soap destroys the outer layer of virus and bacteria cells. Washing your hands is actually better than hand sanitizer if the sanitizer doesn't have at least 70% alcohol in it.

got it, but that doesn't answer the question, i.e. sanitizing often touched surfaces.

That's referring to things like railings on stairwells, and door knobs.
I aint puting bleach or any of that other stuff on what I touch the most. It just aint going to happen.
Holy cripes.

Wise to wash hands after using common-use /shared item surfaces outside one’s home like shopping carts, doors/knobs, kiosks/touch screens/cell phones, land-line phones at work, and as was mentioned MONEY. But, hell, this isn't “new” advice; always been true. Oh, and break the habit of touching one’s face, rubbing eyes, or touching lips. But, that isn’t new either.

You don’t catch 99% of viral illnesses by “touching” them. You get it by inhaling them (on someone’s moist breath or sneeze) or getting them on a mucus membrane such as eyes, mouth, inside nose, privates, etc.

And, no, it matters not a wit what magic potion you wash your hands with. Just wash them. Surfaces are different, in so much as you can’t wash your workplace keyboard in the sink. Dilute bleach or germicidal wipes are effective if can hit every micro-surface, which you can’t really, so do as you will.

pharmaceutical companies are cashing in on products labellled “Kills Human Coronavirus”,
but it doesnt mean the product is capable of dealing with the specific COVID 19.
Originally Posted by Starman

pharmaceutical companies are cashing in on products labellled “Kills Human Coronavirus”,
but it doesnt mean the product is capable of dealing with the specific COVID 19.

Covid 19 is easier to kill than the common cold virus.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Starman

pharmaceutical companies are cashing in on products labellled “Kills Human Coronavirus”,
but it doesnt mean the product is capable of dealing with the specific COVID 19.

Covid 19 is easier to kill than the common cold virus.



You know this from your own labratory controlled tests?

please tell which products on the market kill COVID 19
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle of diluted bleach water on the counter.

A bit of chicken blood on the counter, a few drops of beef drippings, she gives the counter a spray of bleach water and wipes it off with a paper towel.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time. It will keep COVID 19 away as well.

My question would be: what about the produce at the grocery. All those tomatoes, green beans, snow peas, potatoes, carrots, etc sitting on the shelves unwrapped. Handled by every passing shopper, sneezed upon by myriads of dirty little imps. If they are wrapped, they were picked and handled before being wrapped.

How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies? How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?

Just rinse in fresh water.

Yes, that is what we have always done. But we all know fresh water will not kill a virus. We have been told C 19 can live for several days on hard surfaces. How long can it live on moist living tissues?

As to the question: Can bleach kill C 19?

Bleach destroys DNA chains. A virus is nothing more than a DNA or RNA molecule wrapped in a husk.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter


As to the question: Can bleach kill C 19?

Bleach destroys DNA chains. A virus is nothing more than a DNA or RNA molecule wrapped in a husk.


so what is the concentration and contact time required to kill COVID 19?

..the same as your mom uses for Salmonella and E-coli....???...lol.




Originally Posted by leesway2
I aint puting bleach or any of that other stuff on what I touch the most. It just aint going to happen.

Why not?!!!!!!!!

Most of us in the civilized world have been doing so since elementary school.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle of diluted bleach water on the counter.

A bit of chicken blood on the counter, a few drops of beef drippings, she gives the counter a spray of bleach water and wipes it off with a paper towel.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time. It will keep COVID 19 away as well.

My question would be: what about the produce at the grocery. All those tomatoes, green beans, snow peas, potatoes, carrots, etc sitting on the shelves unwrapped. Handled by every passing shopper, sneezed upon by myriads of dirty little imps. If they are wrapped, they were picked and handled before being wrapped.

How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies? How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter


How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies?
How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?


Federal regulations (21 CFR Part 173).
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=173&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:3.0.1.1.4.4

permit the use of sodium hypochlorite (chlorine bleach) in washing raw produce (for salmonella)
The concentration of sanitizer in the wash water must not exceed 2000 ppm hypochlorite.
The produce must be rinsed with potable water following the chlorine treatment


Your mom worked in food service for 37 years ,
but couldnt tell you that bleach works on fruit/veg?
..but you 'know' that bleach kills this new wave C-19 virus.

this place is ffckking hilarious.


https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...rus-can-stay-in-the-air-and-on-packages/


Quote

MIT Technology Review

Biotechnology

Here’s how long the coronavirus can live in the air and on packages
The virus prefers steel and plastic, materials commonly found in hospitals and homes.

by Antonio Regalado
Mar 11, 2020

The contagious coronavirus can survive on a cardboard delivery box for at least a day and lives even longer on steel and plastic.

A big question in the outbreak of Covid-19, which has already infected more than 110,000, is how the germ that causes it moves so easily between people. Although many viruses and germs can survive on ordinary objects, zeroing in on precisely how the new coronavirus does it could help stem the epidemic.

To help find an answer, US researchers tried spritzing the virus on seven materials commonly found in homes and hospitals, to see how long it remained infectious.

The germ survived longest on plastic and stainless steel, where it clung for as long as three days, according to Vincent Munster and a team at the National Institutes of Health virology laboratory in Hamilton, Montana, who describe their experiments in a new preprint.
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That suggests hospital equipment is a potential vector for disease, as are strap-hanger poles on subways.

So far, however, there is no definitive proof the virus is actually spread via inanimate objects. “We don’t know if you can pick up Covid-19 from contaminated surfaces or inanimate objects at this point. That’s the bottom line,” says Marilyn Roberts, a microbiologist at the University of Washington School of Public Health.

Doctors testing patients know that the virus is present in large amounts in people’s upper respiratory tract, making it likely that it gets spread when they cough or sneeze, spraying tiny droplets and aerosols into the air and onto surfaces.

“Virus stability in air and on surfaces may directly affect virus transmission, as virus particles need to remain viable long enough after being expelled from the host to be taken up by a novel host,” Munster and his team write.

Munster and his coworkers say spreading via the air likely explains “super spreader” events like one that appears to have occurred in Boston, where more than 70 people are believed to have been infected at a conference held by the biotechnology company Biogen.

The scientists looked at how long the virus lived on different materials, and also as it swirled in an air chamber. After waiting a few hours or days, they wiped the surfaces and checked to see if they could still infect cells in a petri dish.

Materials the virus liked best were stainless steel and plastic, where infectious germs could still be collected after three days and might endure quite a bit longer. It liked copper least: the virus was gone after just four hours. Swished around in the air chamber, the germs remained for about three hours.

It will take detailed epidemiological studies to find out for sure exactly how the virus spreads, but the new lab findings indicate it can at least cling to Amazon packages or plastic cell-phone cases.

With some viruses, like influenza, touching a surface can sweep up millions of viral particles in just a few seconds. Other studies show that people touch their faces more than 20 times every hour. Cold temperature and low humidity let viruses live even longer.

Health authorities are recommending that people wash their hands frequently and use alcohol-based cleansers to disinfect surfaces. It’s known that coronaviruses are fairly easy to kill; rubbing alcohol and diluted hydrogen peroxide are among the effective weapons.

In a February review of what’s already known about this type of virus, German researchers said that within a minute of cleaning a surface, a million viral particles can be reduced to 100, likely reducing the risk of infection.

The NIH researchers compared the new virus with SARS and found that the two germs stuck around for similar lengths of time. SARS caused an outbreak in 2003 but was not so easily transmitted, which means other factors play a role in why Covid-19 is spreading faster.

While those reasons aren’t fully understood, the NIH researchers speculate that people with the new coronavirus could be shedding it even if they don’t have symptoms or that that it takes less of the virus for a person to become infected, a metric known as the “infectious dose.”

The researchers say they are now looking at how long the virus lasts in snot, spit, and fecal matter, and under what temperatures and humidity levels.

— with reporting by Mike Orcutt

Hand sanitizer isn’t the issue.

This [bleep] is airborne and the vast majority are getting it from breathing. Visit the grocery store 2 hours after somebody coughed in the aisle - you’re hosed.

I have crap loads of hand sanitizer a round and use it religiously but I know it won’t matter. I’m still going to get sick.
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle of diluted bleach water on the counter.

A bit of chicken blood on the counter, a few drops of beef drippings, she gives the counter a spray of bleach water and wipes it off with a paper towel.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time. It will keep COVID 19 away as well.

My question would be: what about the produce at the grocery. All those tomatoes, green beans, snow peas, potatoes, carrots, etc sitting on the shelves unwrapped. Handled by every passing shopper, sneezed upon by myriads of dirty little imps. If they are wrapped, they were picked and handled before being wrapped.

How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies? How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?

Just rinse in fresh water.

Yes, that is what we have always done. But we all know fresh water will not kill a virus. We have been told C 19 can live for several days on hard surfaces. How long can it live on moist living tissues?

As to the question: Can bleach kill C 19?

Bleach destroys DNA chains. A virus is nothing more than a DNA or RNA molecule wrapped in a husk.

The fresh water wash is to wash away bac-t and viruses. The ecoIi from the pickers, for example. I think you know that already. If super worried, cook the veg.

I have not tested CV19, but I'll water a large sum that bleach will kill it. It kills everyfuckingthing. The HIV, HBV, etc tests would drain into a bleach container. 30 min. contact time (IIRC), and it was safe to dump.

People are overthinking disinfecting procedures.
Originally Posted by Starman
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter


How do you sterilize raw living vegetables without tainting the veggies?
How long can a viral agent live on living plant tissue? Is it time to start cooking every thing we eat?

Federal regulations (21 CFR Part 173).
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=173&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:3.0.1.1.4.4

permit the use of sodium hypochlorite (chlorine bleach) in washing raw produce (for salmonella)
The concentration of sanitizer in the wash water must not exceed 2000 ppm hypochlorite.
The produce must be rinsed with potable water following the chlorine treatment
Your mom worked in food service for 37 years , but couldnt tell you that bleach works
on fruit/veg?

Stop being a horse's ass.

Joe Biden
Vinegar is also an effective disinfectant if the other options are sold out. Google Fu.
Good to know that alcohol kills the virus. I’m using plenty of scotch to kill any that make it past the hand washing.
Originally Posted by sse
as far as washing hands, I saw someone say on TV that the soap does not need to be anti-bacterial, and that it is not necessary to use hot water, in fact a lot of hot water will have an adverse effect on skin.


Marketing scam. All soaps are "anti-bacterial". You maybe just pay more for the word on the bottle.
I thought soap and water were just a really good mechanical way of flushing away bacteria, with the soap removing any oils and grease that the bacteria might stick to. A bit like flushing out a rifle barrel with water after using corrosive primed ammo.
If anyone believes the unverified with reputable science
remedies for C19 put up here by our very own
"CF Centre for Biological-Disease Control" ..
You can also apply this one right out of the medieval
remedy book... Garlic.!

Said to kill any virus and/or ward off any evil spirit
that could cause you such calamity.


Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
I thought soap and water were just a really good mechanical way of flushing away bacteria, with the soap removing any oils and grease that the bacteria might stick to. A bit like flushing out a rifle barrel with water after using corrosive primed ammo.

Correct. Soap doesn't kill microbes. It just bonds to whatever is on your skin and gets flushed off when you rinse.
All dimocrats should be made to have a red 'D' on their foreheads for public health reasons.
i'm confused
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Momma has spent most of her life working in food service. She has always kept a pump spray bottle
of diluted bleach water on the counter.

She's been doing it for the 37 years I have known her. It has kept Salmonella and E Coli at bay all this time.
It will keep COVID 19 away as well.


Can you cite which pharmaceutical co. or scientific finding has confirmed that bleach will kill
the current strain of COVID 19..?.....( there are commercial products verified to work against
other human coronaviruses,but we are not talking about such.)

should also be noted salmonella and E Coli are bacteria, while covid 19 is a virus.



From CDC website

"Unexpired household bleach will be effective against coronaviruses when properly diluted"

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html
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