I had plans, but i will ditch them. Low fares and highly anticipated, though non-essential, travel probably doesn't outweigh the risk to mankind. Plus, all kind of restrictions are now emerging and being applied to people returning from certain domestic destinations...deal breaker.
Can anyone offer their usual worthless advice...? LOL
I'll have you to know MY advice is always good!!!!!!!!! (smile)
i was once told my advice was good 'most of the time'...WTH
Serious, I have not paid heed to a lot of good advice I've gotten.
Can you please point out the "risk to mankind"? A virus with a 97+% recovery rate? And symptoms in most people about as mild as a common cold?
Do you also fear the boogeyman? Monsters under your bed?
I flew for business a couple of weeks ago. My biggest concern was getting stuck in Miami in case of a quarantine situation. I will probably come through the China Clap without too much trouble, but getting stuck across the continent in a containment zone would be.......disruptive.
i don't wanna get it or spread it, nor do i need restrictions on my own agenda when i get home, YMMV
Can you please point out the "risk to mankind"? A virus with a 97+% recovery rate? And symptoms in most people about as mild as a common cold?
Do you also fear the boogeyman? Monsters under your bed?
That's a one in thirty chance of dying from the China Clap if you get it.
Your life time chance of dying in a car crash is one in 572. Do you put your seat belt on?
and of course travel two weeks ago looks vastly different than it does today, or may look two weeks from now
Due to my profession I have no choice but to travel around.
Due to my profession I have no choice but to travel around.
i'm sure they are providing all the precautions they possibly can for flight crews...at least i hope so
Are you 35 or are you 70?
Going to work or going fishing?
The stats killer in your statement, Dutch, is that "IF you get it." Millions of people fly commercially every day. That gives me a one in a million chance - or less - of getting the Kung Flu, and then I'd have a 29 in 30 chance of surviving it.
BTW, it isn't the airplane that's in danger of contamination, it's the airPORT. They disinfect every plane after every flight, and the air is HEPA filtered. But there's nowhere near that degree of cleanliness in the airport itself.
it's not about me, it's about who i'll come in contact with, and where i've been, i have no fear of the virus, not a germaphobe
will say this, though, i got the flu shot for the first time in my life, because i had it a year ago (for the first time ever) and didn't like it
Millions of people fly commercially every day.
that has changed temporarily
Delta, one of the best carriers IMHO, weighing cost vs quality of experience, now has a policy allowing cancellation, with the fare going toward a future flight. pretty shrewd. It allows them to collect capital, without providing a service in the short run, like a down payment on a future fare
"They disinfect every plane after every flight, and the air is HEPA filtered"
Rocky: Please provide your source for this statement. After working for 3 different Part 121 Air Carriers I can assure you no airline disinfects their aircraft after every flight. Furthermore there are no HEPA filters on the B727, B737 B757 B767 and DC10. I have no knowledge of Airbus aircraft air conditioning and pressurization systems. Even if aircraft had HEPA filters installed the filters would not be changed on the manufacturers recommended schedule. Just remember "FORKLIFT JOE" of American Airlines fame and the DC10 engine debacle.
i do know the air in the cabin is switched out every 2-3 minutes, but that doesn't really eradicate much. Also, disinfecting after a flight doesn't do much for those who de-planed, or prevent re-introduction by new passengers
light cleaning is done after each flight, and a more thorough job at monthly intervals, but maybe they'll be more agressive until the problem settles down
The boogeyman will get you!!!
Well, I leave for Ireland on Saturday, I'm monitoring the situation closely but Ireland is not on the European "do not travel list" so I'm hopeful things will work out ok. I have until Saturday to bail out so we will see what happens. I'm not as much worried about getting sick as I am about getting home without too much delay.
A virus with a 97+% recovery rate? And symptoms in most people about as mild as a common cold?
If ONLY 99.97% of all airplanes landed safely no one would fly. There would be several crashes every day. And the 97% recovery rate assumes aggressive treatment for a lot of those folks. While it is true that most healthy people will have very minor issues there are many older folks who would need to be hospitalized. Most hospitals are normally at 90-95% capacity at any given time. It wouldn't take that many more people for us to reach the point where there aren't enough beds and equipment to care for all of them.
Personally I'm not concerned for my health. I should be able to be in the 97% even if I'm exposed. But the more it spreads, the greater, and longer the economy is impacted. I have some plans for camping and fishing over the next few weeks. But I'm going to avoid any places with crowds.
A virus with a 97+% recovery rate? And symptoms in most people about as mild as a common cold?
If ONLY 99.97% of all airplanes landed safely no one would fly. There would be several crashes every day. And the 97% recovery rate assumes aggressive treatment for a lot of those folks. While it is true that most healthy people will have very minor issues there are many older folks who would need to be hospitalized. Most hospitals are normally at 90-95% capacity at any given time. It wouldn't take that many more people for us to reach the point where there aren't enough beds and equipment to care for all of them.
Personally I'm not concerned for my health. I should be able to be in the 97% even if I'm exposed. But the more it spreads, the greater, and longer the economy is impacted. I have some plans for camping and fishing over the next few weeks. But I'm going to avoid any places with crowds.
exactly right, it just makes sense to adjust one's behavior in order to help avoid or reduce a really bad outcome
No advice. I'm avoiding people as much as practically possible but hunt and fish solo or with one family member.
Re travel: My son returned yesterday from a month in West Africa. He said that he went through no screening of any kind on arrival in NY nor on his flight on to Seattle. Maybe there is a hidden temperature reader scanning incoming passengers.
Wife and I are in the risk category due to age and specific lung vulnerabilities. We have self isolated somewhat, avoiding groups, didn’t even go to my usual Thurs. morning coffee with 3 friends. Did have supper at his home last evening with son on his return from Africa, but he surprised us by having some kind of gastrointestinal bug and should have warned us not to come. Wife canceled a walk on ferry trip to Victoria today.
This seems highly contagious and my assumption is that we will probably get it sooner or later and are trying to delay catching it as long as possible. Delay gives time to develop meds and hopefully flatten the peak curve numbers low enough for medical pros to handle.
Just got back from Orlando last week. I will admit that in the airport 3 chinese came and sat near us and 2 were coughing without covering so I made my family get up and move. Some cases were confirmed in Tampa the day we were there but we pretty much just drove through on the way to the beach. Traffic in Florida is terrible and I hate toll roads.
If our trip was planned any later I would think about cancelling but I felt like our timing was mostly ahead of it.
Bb
This week, I received emails from the presidents/CEOs of both Southwest and Delta Airlines, in which both said they have greatly increased their cleaning/disinfection protocols to include after every flight and a much more extensive cleaning every night. That's the source for my claims above.
This week, I received emails from the presidents/CEOs of both Southwest and Delta Airlines, in which both said they have greatly increased their cleaning/disinfection protocols to include after every flight and a much more extensive cleaning every night. That's the source for my claims above.
good to hear
College students who have been told to go home.
i don't wanna get it or spread it, nor do i need restrictions on my own agenda when i get home, YMMV
. Fair odds if you had it you woulnd't even know you had it....
I am supposed to fly back to Alaska in May after all Moms medical things are sorted out hopefully. Could care less.
Military personnel are still flying, just met my nephew at the airport last weekend. Not deserted, maybe 1/3 regular traffic.
A Coast Guard buddy sent a pic, coach on his domestic flight almost empty.
I’ve flown every week since mid December except one. 4 flights a week.
So far all I’ve had is a dry cough and mild fever. 🤷♂️😂
I have a coming flight from WY to NH (via Denver to Boston) to meet a grandbaby when he/she arrives. Will be checking with the expectant parents if they are comfortable with us flying in. Will crush us to not go, but will respect the wishes of our son/daughter-in-law.
Have a European River Cruise second week of June. Finished paying today with options of:
1) Go, as scheduled
2) Cancel and eat the deposit
3) Agree to re-schedule out up to 1 year for full credit.
We are going to keep watching, but are still booked to go. As things evolve we will make decisions as they come.
not sure what i'll do. Could go ahead and book for May, see what happens by then...
Have flight reservations to New Orleans and a river cruise booked up the Mississippi next month. I fully intend to be on the plane and on the boat. I refuse to panic over a mostly hyped up event.
I'm thinking of booking in June, in hopes things have settled a bit by then...with the current fare reductions, i have a enough miles it won't cost anything, cancel or not.
flying around the country would be too long a trip... just fly through it.
Don't fly through LA or NY and you've just about eliminated 99% of any risk through flying.
(Send the darts. Armor is ON).
the airports are still busy. my reason for delaying is that most of the cases being disclosed now involve people who widely traveled, or had first-hand interaction with someone who did. so, it obviously adds risk on top of just staying put