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Took the kid to Academy yesterday, she needed a hat for the summer sun. The deal is when she gets to buy something at Academy or WalMart, she has to be patient while Grampa looks at the gun section.

Academy is still cleaned out, not many guns on the shelf, but at the far end sat a lonely 9mm Ruger PC Carbine.

Now I've seen these PC's before lots of times in black, and thought I'd like to have one, but this one was in camo! Dunno, seemed like a whole 'nother firearm somehow.

"Birdy" it said to me, "when you retire and hit the road you can bring me along." It also takes Glock mags.

But, I resisted the temptation, and I weren't about to buy it in front of the Kid anyhow, because I'm habitually discrete about my ownership of guns ('cept on here, obviously).

Went out riding my bicycle today, at some point passing just a few miles from that Academy. I swear, it called to me.

This is how I rationalized it.... I was gonna use my government money, not my own. And I'd still have half left. And sure, I could buy a hot water heater for that same amount of money but ya gotta have your priorities in order.

So I made a detour, cabled up the bike to the bike rack out front of Academy and walked in. If it was gone that woulda been it, but it wasn't, so I bought it. $539 plus tax.

On bike rides I bring along a daypack-sized bag that hangs on the rack, containing a pump and tools and spare tubes. I also bought a 2XX relaxed fit Magellan long sleeved fishing shirt (my fave) at the same time I bought the gun. Outside the store I took the Ruger out of the box, took everything out of my bag, popped off the barrel and fore-end (its a takedown), of the Ruger, wrapped the two pieces in the shirt to protect them from banging and to hide them. The two pieces stuck out of the bag at the top a bit but covered with the shirt you couldn't see what they were. I put the box in the trash, squeezed everything in alongside the Ruger pieces, and off I went.

Nobody on the hike and bike trail was any wiser smile

So now I have my official black rifle, even tho properly speaking it is neither. I'm ready to hold the looters at bay during the next race riot. Ready to show I'm an armed and free citizen at the next bicycle lane protest.

Pretty cool little carbine too.
















Congratulations on your purchase, Birdwatcher.

I hope it shoots and carries well for you.
Originally Posted by deflave
Congratulations on your purchase, Birdwatcher.

I hope it shoots and carries well for you.


Tks, I've already tried the Kel Tec Sub 2000 carbine, but for me the Kel-Tec has so many design compromises to make it light and foldable that it doesn't come easily to the shoulder for snap shots, the sights are hard to pick up too.
Get a carry permit.
Even though its some sorta carbine.
Might need ta check reciprocal agreements per your state to state bike trips.


Just saying.....
Originally Posted by renegade50
Get a carry permit.
Even though its some sorta carbine.
Might need ta check reciprocal agreements per your state to state bike trips.


Just saying.....


Tks. I've been legal to carry longer'n you was in the Service. This thing might even be legal in NY State with 10 round mags.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by renegade50
Get a carry permit.
Even though its some sorta carbine.
Might need ta check reciprocal agreements per your state to state bike trips.


Just saying.....


Tks. I've been legal to carry longer'n you was in the Service. This thing might even be legal in NY State with 10 round mags.

Damm .
All the way back to 1983.
Thats a long time to have a permit.
NYS might require a declaration of firearm in possession or some schitt.

They are flakey up their....

Remember being concerned about driving thru NYS back in 86 from carson to maine before going to germany.
Some need to or fail to notify transpo schit thru their state I heard rumours of.
So long ago cant really remember, but it was a back of the mind cincern briefly.
Had a push feed mod70 ot6 and a win 100 .308 at the time.
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.
Well, at least you can haul it on your bike. A hot water heater might be a bitch to transport. Although, the heater I bought last Sept. was 380 bucks. Had I wanted to wait, they would have delivered & shoved it in my door.
Priorities I guess.

What can I say, I've bought guns when the first wife complained she had to defrost the fridge every damn week. Easy, & foolish, went to bank, borrowed enough money to get her a fridge & me a Python.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.

24 ...
Understand ya analogy now....
I’ve been taking hot showers since I fit in the kitchen sink

50 yrs come tomorrow
Originally Posted by slumlord
I’ve been taking hot showers since I fit in the kitchen sink

50 yrs come tomorrow


Just a child. Must be awkward in front of company, right there in the kitchen.
Just something about Slumloard in the kitchen sink paints a mental picture that is just disturbing .
Damm seems just like yesterday I was shooting ripe persimmons with my slingshot at my little kid brother Slumlord.
Now he is all grown up and schitt.

LOL!!
Originally Posted by Remington6MM
Just something about Slumloard in the kitchen sink paints a mental picture that is just disturbing .


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Good for you Mike! Let us know how it shoots. You ought to try some of the Buffalo Bore Hard Cast Outdoorsman Load in it out on some hogs.
Some of the locations I get to do paid bird surveys I intend to bring it for that very reason, with that load or a ballistic equivalent. Feral hogs that ain’t shot at much often don’t take off running and I walk up on them all the time. Snakes, spiders don’t trouble me at all, but I dislike feral hogs more every time I run into them.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Some of the locations I get to do paid bird surveys I intend to bring it for that very reason, with that load or a ballistic equivalent. Feral hogs that ain’t shot at much often don’t take off running and I walk up on them all the time. Snakes, spiders don’t trouble me at all, but I dislike feral hogs more every time I run into them.


Good deal ! I bet it will be handy.
You just have your priorities in order that's all.......
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I put the box in the trash...


So much for collector status.
Congrats, hope you never need it. Better than not having it if you do.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Some of the locations I get to do paid bird surveys I intend to bring it for that very reason, with that load or a ballistic equivalent. Feral hogs that ain’t shot at much often don’t take off running and I walk up on them all the time. Snakes, spiders don’t trouble me at all, but I dislike feral hogs more every time I run into them.

Yep, all you need now is some of the .458 Win approved hard cast brown bear killers.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.
Only changes I'd make so far are a ghost ring rear sight and a bigger, brighter post front site to expedite fast sight acquisition. I figure the ability to hit a paper plate more often than not at 100 yards is more than sufficient for this sort of firearm.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.






All your detail about NYS commie bulshit laws only serves to support what I said in the first place.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.






All your detail about NYS commie bulshit laws only serves to support what I said in the first place.


Off the top of my head.....

48 States minus California, Illinois, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachussets, Rhode Island.... still leaves another 39 reasonably free states to visit, tho I dunno the status of Virginia at present,
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.






All your detail about NYS commie bulshit laws only serves to support what I said in the first place.


Off the top of my head.....

48 States minus California, Illinois, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachussets, Rhode Island.... still leaves another 39 reasonably free states to visit, tho I dunno the status of Virginia at present,





My point exactly. Why darken their door or give those commies a plug nickel of your money?
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.






All your detail about NYS commie bulshit laws only serves to support what I said in the first place.


Off the top of my head.....

48 States minus California, Illinois, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachussets, Rhode Island.... still leaves another 39 reasonably free states to visit, tho I dunno the status of Virginia at present,





My point exactly. Why darken their door or give those commies a plug nickel of your money?



"I'm sorry Mom, I know how you're gettin' really old and all, but you're just gonna hafta haul your a$$ over the State Line if ya ever wanna see your favorite son again."
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
You was in for 37 years? I was comparing to 20, I got a CHL in '95, shortly after it came out in Texas.

Handguns have always been a no go through NY, unless you're crossing the State directly to where they are legal, locked, unloaded and in the trunk. Meeting the transport through the State sections of the law was always a defense to prosecution, not a preventative against arrest. IIRC the burden was on you to prove you weren't gonna stay.

A ten round magazine limit has been in effect in NYS for a long time, and Cuomo recently passed through a hated "Safe" act which made a lot of semi-autos illegal. Meanwhile, in New Jersey, IIRC even a single round of hollowpoint handgun caliber ammunition is a felony Haven't heard of NY State being that bad on other rifles or shotguns. We always got nervous passing through Massachusetts with even long guns back in the '70's because a special firearms owner's card was needed for that.





If you're planning to go to or through NYS with a firearm, your plan is flawed. Period.


I've been to New York State more'n twenty times over the last thirty years, most of 'em in a car. With firearms, so its nothing new. The biggest irritation is I can cary concealed 1,800 miles from here to the Delaware no problem. Cross that last 100 yards across the river and "ding!", instant felon.

I gotta check, a NYS firearms site lists the PC as being legal in that state with ten round mags. I need to look at the specific features. For example mine has a threaded muzzle which I have absolutely no use for, but that alone might make it illegal up there.






All your detail about NYS commie bulshit laws only serves to support what I said in the first place.


Off the top of my head.....

48 States minus California, Illinois, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachussets, Rhode Island.... still leaves another 39 reasonably free states to visit, tho I dunno the status of Virginia at present,


Our Texas LTC is good to go in Virginia, Mike.
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