video shows what appears to be him pulling a gun , going out his door, immediately gets shot, and goes back in where he collapses on the floor of his bbq
do I think he had intent to shoot at police? no, I don't think he knew what was going on, had a gun and went outside to see what was happening, while at the same time, police had guns drawn on his door.
as soon as he walked out he was shot - but he had a gun. It was a high risk decision on his part to say the least.
That's a bad situation. The man wasn't involved in anything, but it looks like the riot came to him and brought the police along. He should have stayed inside.
That video seems to show that he knew cops were out there. All of the people that were outside came running in. It's hard to believe that the the man who was shot didn't know they were out there. If he walked out with a gun knowing cops were out there, that was a really bad idea. I don't know why he would do that. His right hand moved abruptly right before it appears he was shot. I'd like to know what the context of the cops being there was.
There is video from inside his building that he fired at least three rounds from his pistol out his door in the direction of police before the police and or National Guard returned fire. It shows him being hit in the chest by return fire and dropping his gun on the floor. Pretty undisputable evidence that he fired at police first.
They found seven guns in the restaurant after the shooting. Six handguns and one shotgun. Dunno what belonged to whom. They're working it all out forensically, supposedly. I wouldn't expect LMPD to do anything right, though, as they're worse than Andy and Barney, on a larger scale.
I know and used to shoot with several of them, Like any large body of people, there are some good, and some bad. They are not known for their CSI skills, though.
There is video from inside his building that he fired at least three rounds from his pistol out his door in the direction of police before the police and or National Guard returned fire. It shows him being hit in the chest by return fire and dropping his gun on the floor. Pretty undisputable evidence that he fired at police first.
but when the national guard is walking down your street loaded for bear and looking for trouble, then isn't the time to test your constitutional rights.
but when the national guard is walking down your street loaded for bear and looking for trouble, then isn't the time to test your constitutional rights.
i'm no cyril wecht but it looks like first shot came from popo direction, hit a can and knocked it towards the bldg. then shots came from inside. and then schit tons more inbound.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
Hell, I wasn't there, but as Bristoe said, the hits on the table, I saw more than one. Smoke, dust, or whatever coming from the door he was standing in.. was it him shooting or bullet strikes near him.
He seemed really disorganized for a business owner for the time he'd done it. Back & forth, again & again. Frustration? I'd want to watch it many more times to sort it out, but just judging from a view or two like most of the rest here,,,, I'd say he said; fuggit & cut loose. Just a novice observation.
Country is turning into a war zone. The only thing seperating a terrorist from a freedom fighter is the perspective. Giving up essential liberty and freedom in exchange for perceived protection from a (deadly?) pandemic, begging for military intervention in cities because cops either refuse to do their job or mayors refuse to let them do their jobs..... A lot of people should really think about what they're begging for. More federal government intervention bin our lives isn't what we need. Let the states deal with their own messes. If they can't control it, let them [bleep] burn.
Country is turning into a war zone. The only thing seperating a terrorist from a freedom fighter is the perspective. Giving up essential liberty and freedom in exchange for perceived protection from a (deadly?) pandemic, begging for military intervention in cities because cops either refuse to do their job or mayors refuse to let them do their jobs..... A lot of people should really think about what they're begging for. More federal government intervention bin our lives isn't what we need. Let the states deal with their own messes. If they can't control it, let them [bleep] burn.
Hell, I wasn't there, but as Bristoe said, the hits on the table, I saw more than one. Smoke, dust, or whatever coming from the door he was standing in.. was it him shooting or bullet strikes near him.
He seemed really disorganized for a business owner for the time he'd done it. Back & forth, again & again. Frustration? I'd want to watch it many more times to sort it out, but just judging from a view or two like most of the rest here,,,, I'd say he said; fuggit & cut loose. Just a novice observation.
Just like a lot of us law abiding freedom loving citizens would do. This is America, not downtown Damascus. Bring the police in, control the situation, arrest anyone breaking a law. These Cops doing nothing but refereeing the mayhem with a watch and see attitude while idiots are destroying your neighborhood and your trying to make a livelyhood would piss me off too. Cops need to do their jobs. Time to fish or cut bait. They want to run around in tactical gear carrying AR15's any other time, well now's the chance to run in and play Barry badass.
That "bottle" that is shot looks to me to be some form of compressed gas, or sealed soda can? When it is hit , you see something spraying out in the air, and it does a flip move with stuff shooting out is what I see. I have shot a spray paint can and my recollection is this seems similar.
The situation would be much clearer if it had sound associated with it.
i'm no cyril wecht but it looks like first shot came from popo direction, hit a can and knocked it towards the bldg. then shots came from inside. and then schit tons more inbound.
The police was firing pepper spray "balls" and rubber bullets trying to disperse the crowd and enforcing a curfew that was in effect. That is what probably hit the water bottle. Still no reason to return live handgun fire at the police.
some are saying the cops turned off their body cameras. I wouldn't have thought they would be able to do that without damaging them but that's a separate topic. If they did turn them off as some suggested (probably the same people that said this guy laid in the street for 12 hours), I'd want to know why. I think I read that someone high up in the department has already been fired over that today.
he was nuts for letting all those people come and go. wtf way is that to run a business? if you ain't working there, get the fugg out. people coming and going in the food prep area. wtf.
i used to walk past one of those kind of low budget barrel bbq joints on the way to work. it looked like good Q and smelled awesome. but from the looks i got from the folks in and around the place, i knew i'd be eating hockers with my slaw. in those days, i looked like a cover for Honkey Monthly. Coat, tie, dress slacks, polished shoes, nice neat haircut, brief case, etc. felt like ward cleaver in a tarzan movie.
i'm no cyril wecht but it looks like first shot came from popo direction, hit a can and knocked it towards the bldg. then shots came from inside. and then schit tons more inbound.
The police was firing pepper spray "balls" and rubber bullets trying to disperse the crowd and enforcing a curfew that was in effect. That is what probably hit the water bottle. Still no reason to return live handgun fire at the police.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
he was nuts for letting all those people come and go. wtf way is that to run a business? if you ain't working there, get the fugg out. people coming and going in the food prep area. wtf.
i used to walk past one of those kind of low budget barrel bbq joints on the way to work. it looked like good Q and smelled awesome. but from the looks i got from the folks in and around the place, i knew i'd be eating hockers with my slaw. in those days, i looked like a cover for Honkey Monthly. Coat, tie, dress slacks, polished shoes, nice neat haircut, brief case, etc. felt like ward cleaver in a tarzan movie.
Agreed, they should have put his head on a spike if he didn't conduct business the way you say it should be done. Stalin would be proud of your comment.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
So what circumstances is it acceptable, Misses Sheep? I walk outside with a firearm all the time, I should be shot because of it. Where do you communists come from? Rhetorcial.
i'm no cyril wecht but it looks like first shot came from popo direction, hit a can and knocked it towards the bldg. then shots came from inside. and then schit tons more inbound.
The police was firing pepper spray "balls" and rubber bullets trying to disperse the crowd and enforcing a curfew that was in effect. That is what probably hit the water bottle. Still no reason to return live handgun fire at the police.
ya that is what i looks like now that you said that.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
Lawful command like "don't congregate in your church" "don't open your business" "don't cross state lines" WTF is a lawful order now here in 2020?
If you look at the footage after red shirt guy/ owner was working the BBQ and moving food into the business, I see 2 guys in the street to the left of the tent, one in a white shirt. Also a guy rolling a suitcase about that same time. I see suitcase guy move toward the tent in the street, then turn 90 degree's and move left on the sidewalk, like something happened, and about the same time teeshirt guy and friend move toward the tent fast, I see swat moving in, gal in white shirt and others move fast into the store, all about the same 5-10 seconds time. Lots of movement. I think folks rushing into the store worked there, fled some police movement, and store owner made the mistake to confront the police armed with his gun. I do see a discharge puff after that " can-bottle" broke, from the business, then swat pulled back. ? Very surprised the red shirt guy went outside and fired a shot, not a good move. And if he indeed was shot, it probably wasn't a paint ball.....
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
So what circumstances is it acceptable, Misses Sheep? I walk outside with a firearm all the time, I should be shot because of it. Where do you communists come from? Rhetorcial.
Same guys that say "you don't really need an AR15 for hunting"
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
So what circumstances is it acceptable, Misses Sheep? I walk outside with a firearm all the time, I should be shot because of it. Where do you communists come from? Rhetorcial.
he was nuts for letting all those people come and go. wtf way is that to run a business? if you ain't working there, get the fugg out. people coming and going in the food prep area. wtf.
i used to walk past one of those kind of low budget barrel bbq joints on the way to work. it looked like good Q and smelled awesome. but from the looks i got from the folks in and around the place, i knew i'd be eating hockers with my slaw. in those days, i looked like a cover for Honkey Monthly. Coat, tie, dress slacks, polished shoes, nice neat haircut, brief case, etc. felt like ward cleaver in a tarzan movie.
Agreed, they should have put his head on a spike if he didn't conduct business the way you say it should be done. Stalin would be proud of your comment.
reading comprehension isn't your strong point i see.
i wonder which of the former idiots on here you are. hmmmm. i think i know already.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
So what circumstances is it acceptable, Misses Sheep? I walk outside with a firearm all the time, I should be shot because of it. Where do you communists come from? Rhetorcial.
If you take that firearm you are carrying and point it towards Law enforcement and fire it, you very well may be shot. At least around here you will be likely to anyway. may be different where you live,
If you look at the footage after red shirt guy/ owner was working the BBQ and moving food into the business, I see 2 guys in the street to the left of the tent, one in a white shirt. Also a guy rolling a suitcase about that same time. I see suitcase guy move toward the tent in the street, then turn 90 degree's and move left on the sidewalk, like something happened, and about the same time teeshirt guy and friend move toward the tent fast, I see swat moving in, gal in white shirt and others move fast into the store, all about the same 5-10 seconds time. Lots of movement. I think folks rushing into the store worked there, fled some police movement, and store owner made the mistake to confront the police armed with his gun. I do see a discharge puff after that " can-bottle" broke, from the business, then swat pulled back. ? Very surprised the red shirt guy went outside and fired a shot, not a good move. And if he indeed was shot, it probably wasn't a paint ball.....
No it wasn't a paint ball he was shot with. He was shot with "Live Fire", same as he shot at law enforcement with. The popo was called in to try and enforce a curfew after the peacefull demonstrators broke out about every window in all the businesses downtown Louisville, KY and looted the stores. The only supermarket past 26th street downtown had their plywood tore off the windows and looted. It showed people pushing grocery carts away loaded with stolen items. I'm pretty sure these people lived nearby and didn't push those shopping carts 20 miles to get away. These same people are crying in the news today that Kroger is closing the store for repairs, "where are they going to shop". Bad and tragic results suffered by people who to some degree contributed to these results. Burning and looting the very community that you live in probably won't get them the changes they seek.
If you look at the footage after red shirt guy/ owner was working the BBQ and moving food into the business, I see 2 guys in the street to the left of the tent, one in a white shirt. Also a guy rolling a suitcase about that same time. I see suitcase guy move toward the tent in the street, then turn 90 degree's and move left on the sidewalk, like something happened, and about the same time teeshirt guy and friend move toward the tent fast, I see swat moving in, gal in white shirt and others move fast into the store, all about the same 5-10 seconds time. Lots of movement. I think folks rushing into the store worked there, fled some police movement, and store owner made the mistake to confront the police armed with his gun. I do see a discharge puff after that " can-bottle" broke, from the business, then swat pulled back. ? Very surprised the red shirt guy went outside and fired a shot, not a good move. And if he indeed was shot, it probably wasn't a paint ball.....
No it wasn't a paint ball he was shot with. He was shot with "Live Fire", same as he shot at law enforcement with. The popo was called in to try and enforce a curfew after the peacefull demonstrators broke out about every window in all the businesses downtown Louisville, KY and looted the stores. The only supermarket past 26th street downtown had their plywood tore off the windows and looted. It showed people pushing grocery carts away loaded with stolen items. I'm pretty sure these people lived nearby and didn't push those shopping carts 20 miles to get away. These same people are crying in the news today that Kroger is closing the store for repairs, "where are they going to shop". Bad and tragic results suffered by people who to some degree contributed to these results. Burning and looting the very community that you live in probably won't get them the changes they seek.
That’s funny! Tear the store up, then cry when they close it. Damn dumasses
Thanks for the explanation, yea someone mentioned paintballs, I doubted that was correct for this situation. In a " Curfew area", a store owner selling BBQ is pretty silly.
I did notice just before suitcase guy appeared a vehicle that looked like it had regular headlight arrangement, and one in the center ( at 4:25) it looks like the batmobile, and a wing. Pretty cool pimp ride, IMHO.
Sad, but it is nice to see in states with open carry citizens defending their neighborhood / stores, effectively. Idaho, Klamath Falls, etc
Who's the dumber ones- - - - -local residents for looting the only grocery store in the neighborhood, or Kroger for trying to repair it? It will probably take 10 years of business to break even for the cost or repairs and restocking. Let the zoo animals starve!
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
No sarcasm emoticon...
Walking outside with a gun in your hand knowing bad things are going down... and compounding it by shooting at cops is not a good way to keep from getting shot.
I am going to go out and bring in the trashcans in a few minutes. I will carefully observe the environment prior to exiting the building w/ my firearm concealed. If the environment appears threatening I probably won't exit. I am pretty sure I can manage to not get shot. we'll see.
Who's the dumber ones- - - - -local residents for looting the only grocery store in the neighborhood, or Kroger for trying to repair it? It will probably take 10 years of business to break even for the cost or repairs and restocking. Let the zoo animals starve!
I wonder what happens to Kroger's insurance. i assume it goes up. A lot.
Who's the dumber ones- - - - -local residents for looting the only grocery store in the neighborhood, or Kroger for trying to repair it? It will probably take 10 years of business to break even for the cost or repairs and restocking. Let the zoo animals starve!
I wonder what happens to Kroger's insurance. i assume it goes up. A lot.
It's a shame, but if it is a corporate store they just probably eat the loses. I know it will be smirked at, but a lot of corporate capital american businesses actually are willing to take some loses to try and benefit some of these lower income neighborhoods. I wouldn't take the grief myself, applauld them that do though.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business AND WAVE A GUN AROUND IN A CROWD OF PIPPLE without being shot by the thugs or the government.
FIXT
OTOH, what happens to bank robbers who run out of a bank waving a gun when LEO is outside?
he was nuts for letting all those people come and go. wtf way is that to run a business? if you ain't working there, get the fugg out. people coming and going in the food prep area. wtf.
i used to walk past one of those kind of low budget barrel bbq joints on the way to work. it looked like good Q and smelled awesome. but from the looks i got from the folks in and around the place, i knew i'd be eating hockers with my slaw. in those days, i looked like a cover for Honkey Monthly. Coat, tie, dress slacks, polished shoes, nice neat haircut, brief case, etc. felt like ward cleaver in a tarzan movie.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business AND WAVE A GUN AROUND IN A CROWD OF PIPPLE without being shot by the thugs or the government.
FIXT
OTOH, what happens to bank robbers who run out of a bank waving a gun when LEO is outside?
Perhaps yo IQ is as low as the dead mans. Was.
I'm pretty sure there is NO one on the Campfire with a lower IQ than you.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
What else was your point?
Sorry, what's so difficult to comprehend? Should YOU or should YOU not be able to walk outside your house or place of business without worrying about being shot by thugs or government?
I see you are from California, so freedom is likely an elusive concept for you.
You could walk outside your residence or place of business. Just don't walk outside with a weapon in your hands under these circumstances. Where I live is not Jermaine to this. One needs common sense. Always obey a lawful command.
So what circumstances is it acceptable, Misses Sheep? I walk outside with a firearm all the time, I should be shot because of it. Where do you communists come from? Rhetorcial.
Being this stupid should hurt.
Then I guess morphine won't fix ya. Maybe Vagisil and Midol.
he was nuts for letting all those people come and go. wtf way is that to run a business? if you ain't working there, get the fugg out. people coming and going in the food prep area. wtf.
i used to walk past one of those kind of low budget barrel bbq joints on the way to work. it looked like good Q and smelled awesome. but from the looks i got from the folks in and around the place, i knew i'd be eating hockers with my slaw. in those days, i looked like a cover for Honkey Monthly. Coat, tie, dress slacks, polished shoes, nice neat haircut, brief case, etc. felt like ward cleaver in a tarzan movie.
Agreed, they should have put his head on a spike if he didn't conduct business the way you say it should be done. Stalin would be proud of your comment.
reading comprehension isn't your strong point i see.
i wonder which of the former idiots on here you are. hmmmm. i think i know already.
If you're guessing your mom, you are wrong.
Your critical thinking skills are right up there with the eye doctor. With any luck, Antifi will pound down your door and pound your puzzy.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
No sarcasm emoticon...
Walking outside with a gun in your hand knowing bad things are going down... and compounding it by shooting at cops is not a good way to keep from getting shot.
Understood, you are a spinless POS and a thief, from what I read. No surprises. Glad to see you on the idiot side.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
No sarcasm emoticon...
Walking outside with a gun in your hand knowing bad things are going down... and compounding it by shooting at cops is not a good way to keep from getting shot.
Understood, you are a spinless POS and a thief, from what I read. No surprises. Glad to see you on the idiot side.
So your reading comprehension sucks as badly as your thought processes...
Who's the dumber ones- - - - -local residents for looting the only grocery store in the neighborhood, or Kroger for trying to repair it? It will probably take 10 years of business to break even for the cost or repairs and restocking. Let the zoo animals starve!
I wonder what happens to Kroger's insurance. i assume it goes up. A lot.
It's a shame, but if it is a corporate store they just probably eat the loses. I know it will be smirked at, but a lot of corporate capital american businesses actually are willing to take some loses to try and benefit some of these lower income neighborhoods. I wouldn't take the grief myself, applauld them that do though.
Local grocery chain has one store in a bad part of town and they have the highest shoplifting problem. The prices in that particular store reflect the extra costs and they openly tell people why.
Seems a man should be able to walk outside his house or place of business without being shot by the thugs or the government.
And he should certainly be allowed to fire indiscriminately at cops, too...
Sorry, I missed the part where I said that. Please point it out to me.
No sarcasm emoticon...
Walking outside with a gun in your hand knowing bad things are going down... and compounding it by shooting at cops is not a good way to keep from getting shot.
Understood, you are a spinless POS and a thief, from what I read. No surprises. Glad to see you on the idiot side.
So your reading comprehension sucks as badly as your thought processes...
No, I'm just living in fantasy land, bragging on 1/2 a [bleep] kid, whilst stealing stocks and pounding my chest about discussing with the CO of a CG unit about some young military guy getting too enthusiastic with a big fish on his line that you felt like he was going to push said 1/2 [bleep] kid into the drink. Funny that you were all tough talking to the CO but not with the kid. Typical liberal BS.
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