Trumps former Sec Defense.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...es-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Mattis is disgracing himself. Sad.

I just posted the same article. I guess he forgot about crap Obama did,

Yep. Like TREASON !

Time for that marine to retire , he's become senile .

What a complete sack of schit.

he's still pissed because Trump wouldn't let him play war games in the middle east

screw him.

The more people that come out against Trump with these grandiose statements the more I support him.

You can't trust anyone with a knickname of "bull dyke"
Spelling is not my strong suite

You are 110% correct on that. He really showed he was a war hawk when Trump wanted to pull troops out of there.

It’s a fact that few flag officers, the ones that knew combat and command, turn out to be good bureaucrats in civilian clothes. MattIs was a competent general. He was a disaster as a civilian

President Trump must be doing common sense things that should have been done long ago, and these jerks make these butt head statements. GO TRUMP 2020 !

Semper Dumbass

[bleep] all of these people. If it isn’t clear that this whole mess is clear attack on our president and us, then you’re not paying attention.

Mattis is part of the swamp and a total disgrace to the Marine Corps. I'm sure he was on his knees, with mouthwash, many times to reach the rank he did in the Corps.

I really really hate these people. And I’m really really scared of what’s coming down the pike. If Trump loses in November, I think it will be open season on people like us. It’s going to be bad.

Steve: Laughable contention you have put forth - makes me wonder about YOU and your sanity!
Why on earth would YOU put forth such drivel without clarification (specifics!) on your opinion of said drivel???
Sheesh.
The quality of the citizens who frequent this site anymore is diminishing noticeably.
Sad that, as well.
Hold into the wind
Varmintguy

I have an honest question since the Atlantic quoted Mattis without the journalism 101 basic of "who, what when, where and why?" of any interview.
What did Trump do that spun Mattis out? What act or order did Trump issue that was in violation of Conlaw?

Oops, not watching the news enough I guess. 82nd Airborne IRF Battalion tasked to Andrews. I'da thunk the Atlantic might have mentioned that.

Smedley Butler squealed on the perps in the old deep state when they approached him with a planned coup.

He got elected, did not get removed by impeachment or the Mueller witch hunt, and is still alive and breathing.

It's nothing but a dogpile now.

A sensationalized dog and pony show put on by the democrats, the deep state, and the media.

All the known traitors will get some stage time. And perhaps a few surprise traitors as well.


Look for Romney to chime in any second now...

He also wrote a book on the deep state of his time. I have a copy.

Yes he did!!!!!

Ol’ Gimlet Eye was a tough little bull dog

It was a racket then and it is a racket now.

Bingo!

every body is entitled to a opinion, mine is that Mattis is a deepstate swamp critter.

Well. [bleep] him. Too bad. Thought he was a living legend, but just a chit bird.

That

Disappointed!

He's a lifetime government employee, I'm not sure what else you could expect. I'm not speaking of his accomplishments on the battlefield, of course.

But policing terrorist organizations in the Middle East was good by him.

Sad to see this from Mattis; maybe woman scorned syndrome.......................

Not in the best interest of the country, IMO.

MM

Mattis of course has no clue what he is talking about.....It is the liberal left and their allies in the media who sew division and racism at every opportunity. And it is the demCRAPs who are always a threat to the US Constitution....Never let a good crises go to waste if it can be turned on your opponent,,,is the typical lefty socialist demCRAP and media playbook......

He knows. He is the enemy.

Didnt he win 2 medal of honor citations also????

Big enough fool for both parties.

Yes he did.

YES !!!

100% !

His rhetoric only hurts our nation. We have troops fighting overseas, deep state coup, baseless impeachment, pandemic and nationwide riots sponsored by our enemies within, and Mattis decides to go full TDS.

Semper Fool with sleeve tattoos to be cool with his peeps. Probably a pud puller like J. Edgar Hoover.

Whoa there big fella!

Let's get straight to those that want to divide. Which Party is the party of identity politics? Which Party attacked a duly elected President protesting even BEFORE he was sworn into office? Which Party weaponized the might of the US Intelligence community to go after an incoming President and before that the candidate? Which Party threatened for a year to hold sham impeachment hearings on the basis of falsely obtain FISA Court warrants and spurious dossiers, and then held the impeachment?

When it comes right down to which side is preventing America from uniting and actively keeping us divided it is the DEMOCRAT Party.

The laughable thing about all of this is that Trump is actually quite socially moderate, and always has been. Much more moderate than conservatives like. He might be against late term and partial birth abortions, but that is far more moderate than, let's say Pense is on the subject. Trump worked in NYC and Hollywood. LGBT stuff doesn't phase him. He could care less.

truth is, that if the Dems and moderates had played it straight up with Trump from the start instead of outright Resist! and Obstruct! with all their bullcrap, Trumps biggest critics would be from the Right and not the Left. As it is, the Left has galvanized the Right, energized them and given them a reason to be motivated and vote.

They are strategic idiots, as is the Nevertrumper Mattis. Mattis didn't get his way about Syria. BTW, how's things with ISIS right now? Oh, they're toast. How's Assad in Syria? Ain't heard a peep outta him in a couple of years. Trump - 2, Mattis - 0 on Syria.

Whoa whoa whoa. All I did was truncate the headline. Where I think I need to add commentary I will. Do I need to set out a position statement when linking a breaking story?

I find no source that supports that.

Yup. Just another warmongering, globulist PoS.

These people prove time and time again how vindictive they are.

Mattis is a politician, obviously posturing for a future role. I am not surprised by this, disappointed , but not surprised.

All flag officers promoted between 2009-17 are there because they were signed off by Obama. By definition they’re all democrats or they would not have been promoted. They can kiss my a$$.

As a military veteran I am ashamed of what the military’s leadership has become.


Mattis is a swamp critter. I’m trying to figure a way not to ever pay taxes again, at least federal. We’re figuring it’s time to quit our jobs and go on the dole, at least for what food I can’t grow myself or barter for!

How about all white people who are not “woke” simply quit paying taxes to uncle sugar?

Would that get the attention of the white urban libtards who are joining in the rebellion?

And in that long tirade he unwittingly absolved Trump of any responsibility for the violence and the response to the violence.

"Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders"

IMHO, many of the Atlantic articles are anti American and left wing. I have never read the rag and do not plan to do so.

Well stated, Hatari.

I agree.

I'm not sure or not if you're referring to the "win" part versus "being awarded" or "a recipient of"...when you say you can find no supporting source but plenty of websites mention the two medals being awarded to him. I don't believe anyone ever "wins" a medal, especially the Medal of Honor but I am not sure if that's what you're referring to or not..

It is common Marine knowledge; drilled into your head in basic training that Smedley Butler and Dan Daly are the only two Marines to be awarded the Medal of Honer twice, for separate actions. I believe they were good friends too. Dan Daly apparently was a crazy SOB at Belleau Wood.
I love that history. Good stuff.

They do in depth pieces and veil their hatred for Trump better than most, but a balanced political piece has never spun off their printer.

Take note for today and the future when some Flag Officer pipe up and spits forth his political opinion. Many, many got the stars through political maneuvering.

DD
Stuff all over the web about him
Book I have
History of the united states military 1607 to 2012 also mentions him

1 of 19 to receive it twice
He warned basically of the military industrial complex decades before Eisenhower.
He was labeled as antiwar for his opinons after retirement until his death.

MAJOR GENERAL
SMEDLEY D. BUTLER, USMC
(DECEASED)

Medal of Honor Citation - Vera Cruz                        Original General Order-Vera Cruz

Medal of Honor Citation - Haiti

Major General Smedley D. Butler, one of the most colorful officers in the Marine Corps' long history, was one of the two Marines who received two Medals of Honor for separate acts of outstanding heroism. 

He was not yet 20 when the citizens of his native West Chester, Pennsylvania, presented him with a sword on his return from the Boxer Rebellion in China. Some 50 years later that trophy was presented to the Marine Corps for permanent custody.

Smedley Darlington Butler, later known to thousands of Marines as "Ol' Gimlet Eye," was born 30 July 1881. He was the son of Thomas S. Butler, a Representative in Congress from the Delaware-Chester County district of Pennsylvania for over three decades and a longtime chairman of the House Naval Affairs Committee. He was still in his teens when, on 20 May 1898, he was appointed a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps during the Spanish-American War.  

Following a brief period of instruction at Washington, D.C., he served with the Marine Battalion, North Atlantic Squadron, until 11 February 1899, when he was ordered home and honorably discharged on 16 February 1899.

He was commissioned a first lieutenant in the Marine Corps on 8 April 1899; promoted to captain, 23 July 1900; to major, 13 May 1908; to lieutenant colonel, 1 August 1916; to colonel (temporary), 1 July 1918; to brigadier general (temporary), 7 October 1918; to colonel (permanent), 9 March 1919; to brigadier general (permanent), 4 June 1920; and to major general, 5 July 1929.

In April 1899, 1stLt Butler was assigned to duty with the Marine Battalion at Manila, Philippine Islands. From 14 June to October 1900, he served with distinction in China, and was promoted to captain by brevet for distinguished conduct and public service in the presence of the enemy near Tientsin, China. He was wounded in that battle on 13 July 1900.

Returning to the United States in January 1901, he served at various posts within the continental limits and on several ships. He also served ashore in Puerto Rico and the Isthmus of Panama for short periods. In December 1909, he commanded the 3d Battalion, 1st Regiment on the Isthmus of Panama. He was temporarily detached to command an expeditionary battalion organized for service in Nicaragua, 11 August 1912, in which capacity he participated in the bombardment, assault and capture of Coyotepe, 12-31 October. He remained on duty in Nicaragua until November 1912, when he rejoined the Marines at Camp Elliott, Panama.

His first Medal of Honor was presented following action at Vera Cruz, Mexico, 21-22 April 1914, where he commanded the Marines who landed and occupied the city. Maj Butler "was eminent and conspicuous in command of his Battalion. He exhibited courage and skill in leading his men through the action of the 22nd and in the final occupation of the city."

The following year, he was awarded the second Medal of Honor for bravery and forceful leadership as Commanding Officer of detachments of Marines and seamen of the USS Connecticut in repulsing Caco resistance on Fort Riviere, Haiti, 17 November 1915.

During World War I, he commanded the 13th Regiment in France. For exceptionally meritorious service, he was awarded the Army Distinguished Service Medal, the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, and the French Order of the Black Star. When he returned to the United States in 1919, he became Commanding General of the Marine Barracks, Quantico, Virginia, and served in this capacity until January 1924, when he was granted leave of absence to accept the post of Director of Public Safety of the City of Philadelphia. In February 1926, he assumed command of the Marine Corps Base at San Diego, California. In March 1927, he returned to China for duty with the 3d Marine Brigade. From April to 31 October he again commanded the Marine Barracks at Quantico. On 1 October 1931, he was retired upon his own application after completion of 33 years' service in the Marine Corps. 

Major General Butler died at the Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, on 21 June 1940, following a four-week illness.  

The USS Butler, a destroyer, later converted to a high speed minesweeper, was named for MajGen Butler in 1942. This vessel participated in the European and Pacific theaters of operations during the second World War. 

Vera Cruz 1914 Medal of Honor

Haitian Campaign 1915 Medal of Honor

I realize he was well decorated, show me something that says 2 MOH awards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis

WIKI sez none.

It really is sad to watch such a great military man disgrace himself in such a way. Civilian life is hard for some.

DD
What you quoted all us on was related to smedly butler.
Not gen mattis.
????

Mattis is still pizzed at President Trump for putting a stop to the Middle Eastern war waging and pulling out of Syria against his wishes. Simply a spurned war monger with an axe to grind.

We're on two different pages, as is Renegede.
We were referring to Smedley Butler, not Gen Mattis.

Miscommunication I guess.

Not only is Mattis part of a swamp ambush. It is timed and orchestrated for maximum effect in a couple of ways. First, Trump appears vulnerable because he has so much on his plate right now. Also, if enough high profile types who have been keeping their powder dry, do so in a choreographed fashion it runs the potential of gaslighting enough voters into thinking they are witnessing a real downfall of the POTUS. Wind it up guys, now is the time. Don't allow snooty megasyllabic name calling by arrogant a-holes like george will reinforce this ambush.

The guy is trying to rewrite his autobiography from fired...to left on principle.

He’s a joke

He should just drop dead now so he can at least retain some shred of honor.

Marines around the country are ashamed of their old General

Tran Dog Mattis disgraced himself as secdef with his promotion of queers and trannies in .mil.

His word is worth nothing.

Maybe George Soros needs a butler, be a good pinnacle to your career Sad Dog.

I stand corrected.

If the constitution survived 8 years of Obama it will dang sure survive Trump.

Optics are good.

Mathis is a swamp creature, has been for quite some time.
He was partnered with Henry Kissinger and George Shultz. Also a board member and early invester in the Theranos Co.
Start researching there is see where it leads you.

You're absolutely right.

Mattis fails to differentiate between peaceful protestors and wild mobs of looters and criminals. To do so speaks to an underlying motive.

He speaks of unification? What have liberals ever done to unify with conservatives, other than to mock their religion and call them racist haters?

The double standard raises its head again, in the form of James Mattis. There is no bringing liberalism and conservatism together than there is bringing Christianity and Islam together.

To the left, unite means succumb.

How many retired military officers have come out in support of Trump's actions? It would seem if Mattis was so off base in his opinion of Trump, the Constitution and the Military there would be retired military speaking up in favor of the Commander in Chief.

It seems like General Mattis was just the first of many to come out against Trump's comments about quelling the protests with active-duty troops, Scores of Retired Military Leaders Publicly Denounce Trump. Are they all wrong?

It seems Trump is an extremely poor judge of horse flesh at least when it comes to hiring close aides and confidants, how many of the people he has brought in has he maligned and called assorted names claiming them to be idiots and the like. There has to be something wrong, either Trump is lying about the actual capabilities or he is almost completely incompetent when it comes to selecting close aides, any other reasonable explanations. One of the most important thing an executive can do is draw in high caliber people, hire them and keep them, the inability to that has hampered the success of many executives both in the government and private sector.

Just some observations that are very contrarian to those held so close by others here on the 'Fire.

Have a good day,
wade

It is poor form indeed for a military man to criticize his commander in chief in public. Trump may be a poor judge of character regarding his subordinates, but remember whom he has to choose from. Swamp Creatures surround him. He is given a list of Swamp Creatures to choose from by other Swamp Creatures. It seems everyone thinks he can criticize Trump but other presidents were beyond criticism.

Swamp creatures are a brothehood.....

I have served with Mattis and talked to him personally.

My gut feeling then and now, is that he was a much better Marine, than in the political scene. Many flag officers get like this when they hang around DC after they retire. They never go back to the real world and find out that not everyone thinks like inside the DC beltway.

I still know a bunch of senior Marines from my career. I don’t know a single one not backing Trump. Trump is very well respected in the higher ranks of the Marine Corps. Bank on it.

So even though retired military officers have defended the United States and sworn repeatedly to uphold the constitution even upon retirement they do not have some of those constitutionally guaranteed rights like freedom of speech? I would hate to tell an officer that had sacrificed that much for the country that he no longer had those rights he swore to uphold. Prior to retirement that is a different thing, but afterwards I would be ashamed to make that claim.

Wasn't it Trump that said he was going to drain the swamp. I think we have all been criticizing the president in office and out of office for a long time, keep in mind Trump does it constantly he has taken it a low art, so he can't complain, that old Golden Rule thing.

"Wasn't it Trump that said he was going to drain the swamp. I think we have all been criticizing the president in office and out of office for a long time, keep in mind Trump does it constantly he has taken it a low art, so he can't complain, that old Golden Rule thing."

And wasn't it Mattis that said he'd keep quiet until after Trump was out of office?

I think he made alot of promises in regards to allies in the middle east - at least his perceived allies, and *his* promises.

Trump didn't honor them and Mattis had to bite his lip

Then it appears the helicopter show of force against the protestors (3 days after 60 secret service men were injured) pushed Mattis over the edge.

I don't know what happened with the helicopters, don't know if its something Trump wanted, and I don't know if it was civil protestors or some rock throwing bastards.

I think Mattis should have bit his lip for 5 more years.

That's the best explanation I have read here

Just exactly what did Trump do or say which is a "threat to the Constitution?"

Truman and Eisenhower both sent active duty military units to quell insurrections.

And I should add---badmouthing Trump for threatening to send in the military, after 60 secret service agents were injured by the howling mob, would be like badmouthing Roosevelt for daring to retaliate against Japan for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. Mattis must be so butt hurt that he's lost his mind.

I served under Mattis too. I thought he was a total poser POS then and when Trumped picked him, I had a feeling it wouldn't end well. Mattis fancies himself a warrior's warrior and innovative strategist. Fact of the matter is... he's neither. The best he could muster are old, recycled ideas he read about in books written by actual innovative warriors.

Frankly, I have no respect for today's general class of officer and Mattis is my front of mind example why. Couldn't win a war to save their fuggin lives... still pushing failed counter insurgency doctrine ~20 fuggin year into these wars and have yet to bring home a win. That and they'll sell out true warriors in the blink of an eye to advance their careers.

I can't decide what's worse... how much sucking off they have to do or how many people they have to screw to make it into the club.

GW also said he's not endorsing Trump.