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Posted By: limabean Colt national match 1911 - 07/07/20
Saw a NIB one of these for 1299. It’s blue, has 2 mags. I don’t know anything about them other than it’s a colt 1911. Is this a good price? Should I spend my money on something else? Thanks in advance for your input.
Posted By: Boogaloo Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/07/20
You could buy a comparable performing pistol for a lot less money, but it wouldn't be a Colt...so it's up to you.
Are you talking about a Gold Cup or a true NM, pre Gold Cup.

If a Gold Cup, what series?

MM
Posted By: UPhiker Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/08/20
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Are you talking about a Gold Cup or a true NM, pre Gold Cup.

If a Gold Cup, what series?

MM

Colt is making the National Match Gold Cup again. I think that's what he's talking about.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-o5870a1-gold-cup-ntlmtc-45-5-bl
Posted By: Slavek Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/08/20
Originally Posted by limabean
Saw a NIB one of these for 1299. It’s blue, has 2 mags. I don’t know anything about them other than it’s a colt 1911. Is this a good price? Should I spend my money on something else? Thanks in advance for your input.


There is a worthy substitute to the 'Gold Cup'. I suggest military rail gun that Colt sold to public from standard military production line. It came in blue plastic case with papers, lock, two six-round Wilson Combat blackened magazines with alloy base plates. One in excellent condition usually sells for $1200 to $1400. The barrel is stamped 'National Match'. You don't have to worry about NIB because each gun was test fired at Colt prior to shipping. I don't think they're worth $1700 MSRP but well worth about $1300. It's series 80 so it will not go off when dropped. The only downside is desert finish on stainless which does not hold up well at all.
If someone says / wants a real Colt NM, then that would be pre-Gold Cup series, whichever Gold Cup series might be under discussion.

Not exactly the same animal.

I have a lot of 1911's but I would truly love to have 1940-1955 version of the 1911 NM.

MM

The Colt 1911 NM & It's Decendants
Posted By: MOGC Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/09/20
If I were going to spend $1300 on a new production 1911 it would be a Dan Wesson.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/09/20
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Are you talking about a Gold Cup or a true NM, pre Gold Cup.

If a Gold Cup, what series?

MM

Colt is making the National Match Gold Cup again. I think that's what he's talking about.
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-o5870a1-gold-cup-ntlmtc-45-5-bl


I have this same 1911. It's very well made and accurate!
Posted By: Slavek Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/09/20
Originally Posted by MOGC
If I were going to spend $1300 on a new production 1911 it would be a Dan Wesson.

This company has very good reputation, Americans say it is the best factory produced 1911 for the money spent.
Originally Posted by limabean
Saw a NIB one of these for 1299. It’s blue, has 2 mags. I don’t know anything about them other than it’s a colt 1911. Is this a good price? Should I spend my money on something else? Thanks in advance for your input.


What do you want to do with it? A lot of folks just starting out in Bullseye are going with SA Range Officers. Less money up front. I got one some years back cheap and fitted a EGW bushing and a larger slide stop. It shoots as good as a purpose built Colt with Kart barrel.
Originally Posted by limabean
Saw a NIB one of these for 1299. It’s blue, has 2 mags. I don’t know anything about them other than it’s a colt 1911. Is this a good price? Should I spend my money on something else? Thanks in advance for your input.
Buy it. You're not going to do better for the money, despite what the Colt haters are saying.
Posted By: Gibby Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/10/20
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by limabean
Saw a NIB one of these for 1299. It’s blue, has 2 mags. I don’t know anything about them other than it’s a colt 1911. Is this a good price? Should I spend my money on something else? Thanks in advance for your input.
Buy it. You're not going to do better for the money, despite what the Colt haters are saying.


Agree. Like money in the bank that you can actually have fun with. Keep it stock, it will out shoot you.

Save everything that comes in the box. everything I say.

I am up to fifty six 1911's. Most are Colts. But I like them all.
Posted By: frogman43 Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/10/20
Dang Gibby....want to adopt me?? LOL
Originally Posted by blindshooter
It shoots as good as a purpose built Colt with Kart barrel.


That I doubt, very seriously..............................

Either you can't shoot well enough to tell the difference or you've never really shot a well prepared gun with a Kart barrel.

MM
Posted By: Gibby Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/10/20
Originally Posted by frogman43
Dang Gibby....want to adopt me?? LOL


Maybe, do you have a sister? LOL
Posted By: limabean Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/10/20
Thanks y’all, I have a dan wesson CCO in 45 acp and a valor in 9mm. They are great guns. The one I’m looking at is a new production gun like posted a few posts above. I want a full size 1911 in 45 acp so just trying to get opinions of people who have experience with this model. Honestly I’m probably not a good enough shooter to realize much of a accuracy difference.
Any of the new Colt's are all very nice guns...................just go buy it & shoot it.

If you have any issues, let me know; I can probably walk you though it.

MM
Posted By: RGK Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/11/20
I'd buy it. The new Gold Cups are great pistolas...a little work and it'll shoot pretty good groups at 50 yds. Leave it stock and it'll do just about anything but win the Nationals at Perry.
Bob

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Posted By: frogman43 Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/11/20
Originally Posted by Gibby
Originally Posted by frogman43
Dang Gibby....want to adopt me?? LOL


Maybe, do you have a sister? LOL



Yes.....and she's single! LOL
Posted By: frogman43 Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/11/20
So a Gold Cup National Match Mk IV series 80 from 1994 would be a go at $900???? Asking for a friend....LOL
Posted By: Gibby Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/11/20
Originally Posted by frogman43
So a Gold Cup National Match Mk IV series 80 from 1994 would be a go at $900???? Asking for a friend....LOL


Not a bad price in good shape with box. I don't buy 1911's without feeling the actual gun unless it is NIB.

I think the only things modified more than 1911's are Honda Civic's by young men.
Posted By: Boogaloo Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/14/20
Well...just for general use a contemporary 1911 has a beavertail grip safety, extended safety, Novak rear sight, dovetail front sight, checkered front strap, Commander hammer and lowered ejection port for starters...

The Gold Cup doesn't have any of those features...it does have National Match engraved on the slide however...

I'm not sure that a 1911 needs an adjustable rear sight although I'm building one with a Bomar right now...

I'm pretty happy with a stock 1911-A1...

But that's me... if that's what you want...buy it...
Posted By: UPhiker Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/15/20
Originally Posted by Boogaloo
Well...just for general use a contemporary 1911 has a beavertail grip safety, extended safety, Novak rear sight, dovetail front sight, checkered front strap, Commander hammer and lowered ejection port for starters...

The Gold Cup doesn't have any of those features...it does have National Match engraved on the slide however...

I'm not sure that a 1911 needs an adjustable rear sight although I'm building one with a Bomar right now...

I'm pretty happy with a stock 1911-A1...

But that's me... if that's what you want...buy it...
NM Colts aren't made for carry. They are made for competition and there are certain rules about what can and can't be altered.
Posted By: Boogaloo Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/15/20
Originally Posted by UPhiker
NM Colts aren't made for carry. They are made for competition and there are certain rules about what can and can't be altered.

Yes... that's why it has NM on the slide.

My post was FYI to the OP. to point out that a 1911 for general use would have different features.

I didn't get the impression he wanted to compete with it just asking for comparative info on 1911s in general.
Posted By: RGK Re: Colt national match 1911 - 07/19/20
Originally Posted by Boogaloo
Well...just for general use a contemporary 1911 has a beavertail grip safety, extended safety, Novak rear sight, dovetail front sight, checkered front strap, Commander hammer and lowered ejection port for starters...

The Gold Cup doesn't have any of those features...it does have National Match engraved on the slide however...


The late Bill Allard, who got into more shootings than any other NYPD cop, used a personally owned Colt National Match .45 in most of his gunfights. Worked well for him. He was also a pretty good bullseye shooter (former civilian national pistol champion).
Bob
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