Watching the Alec Baldwin interview on TV last night got me wondering if a single action prop gun would fire by just releasing the hammer part way from full cock? I only own double action revolvers and I just tried it on my S&W M34 and the hammer does fall all the way forward without pulling the trigger.

It is possible, if the sear notches are worn or damaged then the answer is yes.
I've seen it happen.

Even if the once in a million "could" happen..... there is still his responsibility to insure safe handling, check whats loaded, never point at a person, yada yada yada yada yada..... .Why didnt he say this weeks ago? Because is lawyer and PR people are looking for the anti gun nuts to support him and come to his defense. I hope he does jail time.

According to something I read on line, it was an Italian clone of Colt SAA. Depending on its age and manufacturer, it may have had a transfer bar, in which case there is no way that revolver could have fired without pulling the trigger.

I wondered about that transfer bar. I rather like the looks of the hammers with the pointed firing pins and I'm sure those would have been on the authentic Colts back in the day.

This, especially if the gun bas been abused by fanning, which is pretty likely given the fact that we're talking about a gun that's been used in Hollywood.


Okie John

That scumbag and his lawyers are lying sacks of schit.

Hope he ges buried under the jailhouse.

A Pietta, according to what I've read.

If the nose of the trigger (sear) or the full cock notch AND the 1/2 cock notch AND the "safety notch" are all broken out, then yes it's possible. But if the 1/2 cock or the 1/4 cock notches are OK and the sear is not broken, a slip off from full cock will get caught in one of the other 2 notches.

However in Baldwins case it still had NOTHING to do with the fact that he pointed or aimed a gun loader with at least 1 LIVE ROUND at the woman, and if any of YOU had done that, not matter how innocent your thought process was at the time, you'd be in jail and an investigation would be going on while you sat there unless you had enough bail money to get out out.

Anyway we cut it, he DID cock the hammer with a live round in the cylinder and point or aim it at the woman. In movie making pointing guns at cameras is a common activity, so we need to take that into consideration no matter how scummy Baldwin is and how much he's a traitor to this country.

So acknowledging that, the true issue is about the multi-tiered justice system in the USA. If you are a "Big-Fish Communist" and well connected you can get away with a lot, including mass murder and serial murder. Clinton, Fauci, Gates and many others prove that is a FACT.

Baldwin is voice box for the communist party, but he's a smaller fish, and we can see that because he is in some danger of prosecution, but we can also note that he is NOT in jail.

The true issue here is about the actions and lack of care and diligence that surround the shooting, but it turns into a matter of WHO did the shooting.

If any regular voting tax-paying working man had accidently shot and killed 1 person and wounded a 2nd, he'd go to jail for sure and for certain. (I am unsure if Baldwin did or didn't) Rittenhouse kills 2 and wounded a 3rd all 3 of which were documented criminals and convicted of felonies in the past, all of which were attacking him with intent to harm or kill him, and all of which was caught not just on video but some also on audio calling for the harm or death of that kid. The cops and the prosecutors had all those videos and audios before hand, and knew from the first hour Rittenhouse was innocent. Yet he was jailed and run through a ringer BECAUSE he killed communists and BECAUSE they want to scare cowards into NEVER pushing back against a communist movement.

Baldwin is one of those that in the last 6-7 years has openly called for violence but he's favored by the legal system here in the USA, because 100% of federal law enforcement's leadership here is sold out to the communist party. "Good cops" do nothing and bad ones do bad things.

So now we are being fed BS about a trigger in a gun.
Was is pulled?
Was it held back in error?
Was the sear nose broken?
Was the full cock notch of the hammer worn?

What difference does any of that make?

I have a better question:
If I, you or any non-communist had done the exact same thing, what would be done to us by the legal system?

That's what needs to be done to Baldwin.

Yes they can.

Santa,

All I want for Christmas is a video to appear on DailyMail.com that shows Alec Baldwin, pulling the hammer back on his Colt 45, then pulling the trigger, over and over and over until it fired.

🦫

PS

I’d also like Flavor to almost die from autoerotic asphyxiation.

😳

And I'd like kingston to become a man.

LOL

Yes, Pieta makes both the "traditional" replica of the Colt Single Action with firing pin mounted on the hammer and a "second generation" replica of the single action with the transfer bar in the frame. Here is the Pieta safety and instruction booklet for their single action revolvers. The first part is in Italian but the second part is in English. Scroll down for the English section. Well illustrated and comprehensive.

https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/...PF-1873%20Manual%205-2013_1406058505.pdf

I have no idea which variant was being used by Baldwin to kill Hutchins and wound Souza.

L.W.

One report said it was a Pietta. They do make a close copy of the Colt SAA lockwork. No transfer bar or safety interlocks. If the hammer is drawn back far enough to align a loaded chamber with the barrel enough, and same for the primer and firing pin, but not far enough to be caught by the sear, it will fire the round if you let it slip. Without touching the trigger.

Mine won't.

I also remember reading in one of the articles that it was a Pietta made Colt SAA copy.

could, would, maybe...........none of that makes any difference in the discussion. The revolver was in his hands, and he pointed it at someone. End of any meaningful discussion

They don't use transfer bar clones in movies. Only the externally authentic clones, which means hammer mounted firing pin.

I posted this yesterday on the main forum.

It is possible yes.

I was talking SAA lockwork, not commenting on the Alec.

The vast majority of the revolver shooting public are not familiar with the work and experimentation done on guns in the past.

A 100 (and more) years ago Slip Guns were made out of Colt Single actions. Elmer Keith used to write about shooting and using them along with his gunsmith friend Harold Croft who helped him with his famous #5 revolver. Both men were quite familiar with them.


When Harold Croft came out to visit with Keith he brought a Slip Hammer gun, in .45. The idea essentially was to disable the trigger and simply utilize the hammer, drawing it back and releasing it to fire the handgun. There was noted shooter by the name of John Newman that Keith mentioned could hit a can thrown in the air multiple times before it hit the ground (according to Keith).

So to answer your question, yes. Just go back in history.

A lot of this is written about in the book Sixguns by Keith.

Yep. I remember reading that. No telling how many times I’ve read “Sixguns” and “Hell I Was There”.

On your model 34, there is a hammer block that will not allow the revolver to fire without the trigger being pulled, even when the hammer falls. I believe this is true of all modern numbered model S&Ws. Even those with the hammer mounted firing pin.

Likely wouldn't work on a j frame .22 because of bore diameter, but on any larger cal S&W revolver make sure the weapon is unloaded, cock it, and insert a pencil, eraser first into the bore all the way to the breechface and point the revolver up. If you pull the trigger with your finger, the firing pin will launch the pencil.
Repeat the exercise, but only tap the trigger with another pencil until the hammer falls, and the inserted pencil should not move. If it does move there is a malfunction in play.

I've only done this with .38/.357 revolvers. Don't think you'll get a pencil in the bore of a .22. And a .44 or .45 might be too large to center the eraser on the firing pin.

Just demonstrated this with my model 629 and a bic pen. Pull the trigger and the pen hit the ceiling. Tap the trigger with a fork handle and the pen doesn't move