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Posted By: IZH27 Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/24/23
I’ve had several pistols that are along the lines of the JMB 45 grip angle. It seems that a good number of pistols are designed this way. A majority? I don’t know.

I have a CZ 75 compact. I have never had a pistol point and come naturally to the eye like this pistol. I know that this is subjective but this particular design feels as though it was built for me.

I recently purchased a Springfield XDM Elite OSP. It points well but is just a bit less natural than the CZ. With that CZ made a 10 mm on a frame similar in size to a 75.

What’s the pistol that is most natural for you?
Frankly, the CZ-75, 1911, and BHP are all in that category for me. I can pick up any of them and they just FIT me right. It could be the 40+ years I've spent with 1911s, but the BHPs and CZ (and Tanfoglio copies) are all just great handling pistols.

The Smith M&P line is pretty good, too, since they mimic the 1911s pretty closely. SA's XDs and derivatives are almost as good.

I cannot abide the Glock's grip angles, period.
Izh27 if you ever get a chance handle a CZ40B not quite like the 75 family but handles great. The 2075 Rami in 40 sw is a handful but still shoots well..
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Model 51 Remington points like an extension of my hand.
Posted By: JGray Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/24/23
Originally Posted by IZH27
I have a CZ 75 compact. I have never had a pistol point and come naturally to the eye like this pistol. I know that this is subjective but this particular design feels as though it was built for me.

With that CZ made a 10 mm on a frame similar in size to a 75.

I have a CZ P01 based on the 75 compact and like it alot. The EAA Witness line of pistols are based on the CZ 75. I have a Stock II in 10mm I bought due to the similarity to the CZ 75. I just read that Tanfoglio is no longer importing them, so finding a new one might be a challenge.
BHP and oddly enough Beretta models 70 & 71..

Revolvers?
The model 19 S&W and 686 with the Colt Trooper with factory stocks pointing as well. I've heard the SAA is best, but I've never shot one :⁠-⁠(
The Remington 1858's are terrible.
My CZ is the 75D PCR Compact and I love how it fits my hand and points. Glocks just do not fit me.
Originally Posted by JGray
Originally Posted by IZH27
I have a CZ 75 compact. I have never had a pistol point and come naturally to the eye like this pistol. I know that this is subjective but this particular design feels as though it was built for me.

With that CZ made a 10 mm on a frame similar in size to a 75.

I have a CZ P01 based on the 75 compact and like it alot. The EAA Witness line of pistols are based on the CZ 75. I have a Stock II in 10mm I bought due to the similarity to the CZ 75. I just read that Tanfoglio is no longer importing them, so finding a new one might be a challenge.


EAA is no longer importing the Tanfoglio pistols, but the Italian Firearms Group (or similar name) IS now carrying them. Apparently, EAA and Tanfoglio had a falling-out, probably over EAA being piss-poor at the support level.
Agreed.

Strangely enough, my FN 503 also points very naturally, though a totally different size, shape, and with a pretty high bore axis.
After a good deal of reading and research, I too ordered a CZ 75 PCR Compact. Cajun GUN Works works on all the CZ handguns and they named the CZ 75 PCR Compact as their favorite carry pistol. Mannlicher has one too and recommended adding the Dawson fiber optic sights and that combination has been excellent.
While only a .380 ACP, my little stainless Colt Government MK IV Series 80 points and shoots well. I have a pretty good size mitt on me, so that longer grip works better than the shorter Mustang or Pony Colts that I've handled. I do prefer the hammer fired semi-autos.
I am so used to the 1911. It is just right. Berettas are great. I've never handled a Hi-Power, but they look like they'd be awesome.

Schlocks suck. In every way.

Most revolver grips are waaaaay too small. They all seem to have been designed to fit the hand of the average 12 year old girl.... but, most everything seems to still be designed to fit itsy bitsy, teensy weensy, little bitty people. The handles are too small, too short, and the triggerguards are knuckle-knocking sons of bitches. Even with the oversize S&W "target" grips.... Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Now, with a Hogue Monogrip or Pachmayr Grippers or something else that completely fill the area behind the triggerguard, I'm good to go.
Posted By: JGray Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/24/23
Originally Posted by ratsmacker
Originally Posted by JGray
Originally Posted by IZH27
I have a CZ 75 compact. I have never had a pistol point and come naturally to the eye like this pistol. I know that this is subjective but this particular design feels as though it was built for me.

With that CZ made a 10 mm on a frame similar in size to a 75.

I have a CZ P01 based on the 75 compact and like it alot. The EAA Witness line of pistols are based on the CZ 75. I have a Stock II in 10mm I bought due to the similarity to the CZ 75. I just read that Tanfoglio is no longer importing them, so finding a new one might be a challenge.


EAA is no longer importing the Tanfoglio pistols, but the Italian Firearms Group (or similar name) IS now carrying them. Apparently, EAA and Tanfoglio had a falling-out, probably over EAA being piss-poor at the support level.

Thanks for clarifying - I had manufacturer/importer mixed up.
Posted By: JGray Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/24/23
Originally Posted by Windfall
After a good deal of reading and research, I too ordered a CZ 75 PCR Compact. Cajun GUN Works works on all the CZ handguns and they named the CZ 75 PCR Compact as their favorite carry pistol. Mannlicher has one too and recommended adding the Dawson fiber optic sights and that combination has been excellent.

I wanted the PCR but couldn't find one, so ended up with a P01. I added a Dawson front and adjustable rear sight.

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I never even handled a CZ75 until about a year ago. Wow, they fit me perfectly. I now have a CZ75 full size, a CZ97 and just recently picked up a PCR. Best feeling guns in my hand for sure. A close second is HK P30 and HK45.
I like these two...
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Posted By: IZH27 Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/25/23
It’s sure is an amazing thing. I can practice with an other pistol working through sight picture, sight alignment etc. I can immediately go back to the 75 Compact and without thinking it comes to eye.

Several years ago I put the CAJUN pro package in the compact. I went with the safety version rather than the decocker. It’s like butter on single and double.

I haven’t messed with enough revolvers to have found “the one” that fits just right.

Is the 97 still in production and offered in the US?
Posted By: IZH27 Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/25/23
Huntsman

That pistol in the bottom is sweet. Yours?
I don’t believe they’re still making the 97. I still see them for sale occasionally. It’s worth looking for one, it’s a sweet shooter. My young son said “can I shoot that one again, it’s easy to hit things with it”. I have to agree.
The bottom one is the CZ Shadow2 compact, top is a Dan Wesson DWX compact.
Originally Posted by Windfall
After a good deal of reading and research, I too ordered a CZ 75 PCR Compact. Cajun GUN Works works on all the CZ handguns and they named the CZ 75 PCR Compact as their favorite carry pistol. Mannlicher has one too and recommended adding the Dawson fiber optic sights and that combination has been excellent.
While only a .380 ACP, my little stainless Colt Government MK IV Series 80 points and shoots well. I have a pretty good size mitt on me, so that longer grip works better than the shorter Mustang or Pony Colts that I've handled. I do prefer the hammer fired semi-autos.
Get a trigger and short re-set job from CGW or CZ Custom and you’ll love this pistol even more.
After 500 trouble free rounds to break it in, my PCR did go to CGW for their Pro Package to get rid of the trigger slap. The only thing that I'd do differently is opt for their more rounded hammer profile instead of the squared off hammer. Their armorer did give me a phone call to make sure that I would be happy with a 2.5# adjusted trigger pull which I thought was good customer service.
JGray, what grips on your P-01? I likey....
Originally Posted by IZH27
I’ve had several pistols that are along the lines of the JMB 45 grip angle. It seems that a good number of pistols are designed this way. A majority? I don’t know.

I have a CZ 75 compact. I have never had a pistol point and come naturally to the eye like this pistol. I know that this is subjective but this particular design feels as though it was built for me.

I recently purchased a Springfield XDM Elite OSP. It points well but is just a bit less natural than the CZ. With that CZ made a 10 mm on a frame similar in size to a 75.

What’s the pistol that is most natural for you?

I love my CZ's. The only CZ75 I did not like was a 40 S&W. I was hoping it would be better than my 3rd gen smith, or the XDM, but I hated it. Sold it 3 weeks after I bought it, and that is not like me at all. Also love the 365 XL with red dot. Extremely accurate and natural pointing.
The Beretta 92’s point the most naturally for me. I’m not that crazy about the pistol or the shortish thick grip frame but somehow it points more naturally than any other pistol that I own despite not feeling great in hand.

I really like the CZ Shadow, it’s one of my favorite range guns. I’m a fan of CZ pistols and CZ products overall. CZ and FN are usually two of my favorites.

A lot of people dislike how Glocks point but the way that the grip naturally rides up into the web of the hand and the lower bore axis works really well for me. If I were splitting hairs I’d agree that it’s not quite ideal for slow deliberate bullseye style shooting but that isn’t the intended purpose.
Posted By: IZH27 Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/25/23
Originally Posted by BeanMan
Originally Posted by Windfall
After a good deal of reading and research, I too ordered a CZ 75 PCR Compact. Cajun GUN Works works on all the CZ handguns and they named the CZ 75 PCR Compact as their favorite carry pistol. Mannlicher has one too and recommended adding the Dawson fiber optic sights and that combination has been excellent.
While only a .380 ACP, my little stainless Colt Government MK IV Series 80 points and shoots well. I have a pretty good size mitt on me, so that longer grip works better than the shorter Mustang or Pony Colts that I've handled. I do prefer the hammer fired semi-autos.
Get a trigger and short re-set job from CGW or CZ Custom and you’ll love this pistol even more.

Absolutely.
Posted By: IZH27 Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/25/23
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
The Beretta 92’s point the most naturally for me. I’m not that crazy about the pistol or the shortish thick grip frame but somehow it points more naturally than any other pistol that I own despite not feeling great in hand.

I really like the CZ Shadow, it’s one of my favorite range guns. I’m a fan of CZ pistols and CZ products overall. CZ and FN are usually two of my favorites.

A lot of people dislike how Glocks point but the way that the grip naturally rides up into the web of the hand and the lower bore axis works really well for me. If I were splitting hairs I’d agree that it’s not quite ideal for slow deliberate bullseye style shooting but that isn’t the intended purpose.

In spite of the grip do you shoot it well because of the way it points?
Posted By: JGray Re: Cz75 points like a sundial. - 12/28/23
Originally Posted by huntsman22
JGray, what grips on your P-01? I likey....

Sorry hunts, just saw your post - they are LOK grips (Ridgeback pattern, brown/black). I was actually copying you after you'd posted a Buckmark with similar grips (as well as your two above) grin

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