In Barnes & Noble this weekend and got the
Feb 2011 issue of Shooting Illustrated.
First - This is a good gun mag
Second - On the cover is a very odd looking
revolver. The Chiappa Rhino 200 DS.
It's a 25 ounce, snub nose 357 MAG.
Anyone seen the Rhino 357 MAG ? Great name !
Any comments on it or Shooting Illustrated ?
Thanks
from what i've read it doesn't have much recoil but i'll stick with traditional revolver design ty
Why? I mean, really, someone sat down and dreamed that up. Then he went to the trouble of having it manufactured. Again I ask, why?
Landrum
Lan..,
Yours could be the question asked when a flintlock owner saw the first Colt revolver.
O
I reckon, but whew!!, that thing is U G L Y!
Landrum
That's a butt ugly sumbitch!
Eewwww!
Why? I mean, really, someone sat down and dreamed that up. Then he went to the trouble of having it manufactured. Again I ask, why?
Landrum
Maybe they did it to make the new Ruger revolver look good.
...Anyone seen the Rhino 357 MAG ? Great name !
Any comments on it or Shooting Illustrated ?
Thanks
It's basically a Mateba w/o the auto-revolving function. I got to see/handle/dry fire a couple at the SHOT show. They had very good da trigger pulls.
I got to fire a Mateba once--it was a unique and wonderful experience--not sure that the gun fills a need, but it's a neat gun. You won't believe the difference in the felt recoil by firing out of the bottom instead on the top of the cylinder. It's a completely different feel. I was also impressed by how the thin the gun was.
Solution to a non-existing problem???? Maybe, but still a way-cool experience to shoot.
I reckon, but whew!!, that thing is U G L Y!
Landrum
We agree. It looks like a grad school engineering project, "Hey guys, let's see if we can make an upside down revolver!" Prolly it's just an attempt to come up with something differant to sell the public. Dern thing
Realy Does look like a Rhino.
Anyone ever see a price on them?
O
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Thanxs for yer Post.
I think that someone is being a little hasty about condemning the design features and principle of operation of the Chiappa Rhino. The Rhino design is similar to the Mateba Unica 6 and I believe stems from the same engineer/designer.
The principle is to lower the barrel to the lowest axis in the frame thus reducing muzzle rise forces and more directly align the recoil with the shooters hand/wrist. This would lead to a more balanced feel and even reduce the recoil.
The Mateba took the concept to another level and uses a sliding barrel much like the popular semi automatics which causes the cylinder to rotate and the hammer to reset eliminating the direct mechanical links usually found in revolvers.
Over 100 years ago the Webley Fossey design for a semi automatic revolver was patented.
I suggest we let time be the judge on the validity of this design.
As to appearances-well- beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder but I suspect the longer barrel versions may look more balanced.
All in all-I think we should encourage innovation in gun design beyond composites and alloys.
Don't cha know anything different will be ridiculed and called ugly .
Can you imagine what the critics of the first semi auto said!
Or the very first revolver?
why some folks think a woman NEEDS giant baloon ti!!ies and baloon azz too!
Does the ugly thing shoot?
I like it but... I 'm not sure about getting it worked on... so I pass.
Cool,At least its somthing new!
Attn: Florida Gun Owners - Support SB402
In 1987, the Florida Legislature passed a firearms preemption statute (f.s.790.33) to provide uniformity of gun laws -- in fact, it is called the "Joe Carlucci Uniform Firearms Act."
It was intended to stop local governments from making criminals out of law-abiding citizens just because they simply crossed a city limit or county line. It was intended to provide uniform gun laws so that no matter where in the state you live and no matter where in the state you travel, the same gun laws apply.
Unfortunately, the law contains no penalties for violations because no one ever imagined that local elected officials and government workers would willfully and knowingly violate state law.
The absence of penalties has lead to many intentional violations and has resulted in subsequent lawsuits to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Over and over again, NRA attorneys have written letters to local governments informing them that proposed ordinances violate state law. Unfortunately, when their lawyers confirm that the ordinance would be illegal, they usually also explain that there are no penalties for violating the law -- consequently, some jurisdictions have arrogantly thumbed their noses at state law and have passed illegal ordinances anyway.
In 2000, the City of South Miami was one of the cities that NRA lawyers wrote concerning a proposed ordinance that violated state law.
The City's external counsel confirmed that it was a violation, but also noted that there were no penalties. We were informed that city Commissioners were told that without penalties, they could do what they wanted to do. Further, an illegal ordinance would stand until the City was sued and a court declared the ordinance void.
The rights of law-abiding gun-owners were being violated, so NRA sued.
NRA won the lawsuit and, in fact, the appellate court even noted in its opinion that the court had previously ruled that local ordinances violate state law.
The court refused to award NRA attorney's fees. But nobody said the City couldn't use tax dollars to pay their own expenses and pay outside counsel to defend their illegal actions. That is egregious.
So, not only did they violate the rights of residents but then they used their tax dollars to pay the legal fees of those who intentionally did it.
It is not the NRA's responsibility to enforce state law, but nobody else will do it because there are no specified penalties.
A local attorney is currently suing Lee County for violating the state preemption law.
In the Lee County case, not only did state Representative Paige Kreegel tell them their ordinance was illegal, but then-Attorney General Bill McCollum also told them.
From Carbon 15 post on the Highroad.org website
Finaly saw a Rhino in person at the gunshow today. I felt like taking a risk, and I'm a sucker for a unique design, so I took it home ($699). Its ugly, and handsome all at the same time. comes with a nice hardcase and a Galco-like leather holster. Its blocky and heavy, but feels great in your hand. The trigger pull is pretty good, but not S&W DA revolver like. Reminds me a little of the LCR, not overly heavy, but stacks. The single action is exquisite. The exposed hammer looking thing is not a hammer at all. The real hammer is internal, the exposed hammer is a cocking lever. The lever dosnt rise and fall with the trigger pull, but simply serves to cock the internal hammer. There is a little red button that pops up when the internal hammer is in SA mode. The fixed sights are crisp and shot to POA. Accuracy was surprising and frankly shocking. I have lots of revolvers and several snubbies, and this little ugly bastard outshot any DA revolver I own!! I shot a golfball sized group at 20 yards offhand. I'm not sure if its a matter of mechanical accuracy or if the low bore axis, and superior ergonomics just make it more shootable. Speaking of low bore axis...muzzle flip is non-existant as most have speculated. You cant change the laws of physics, so magnums still smack you in the palm a little, but still have almost no flip.
Size..hmmm. N frame sized gun, J frame sized grip....more comfortable and balanced than it sounds. really unlike anything you have ever felt.
I dont think it will replace any guns I currently own, or even see much use outside of plinking. But it is fairly fasinating.
Its weird and ugly, but shoots like a champ....currently awaiting the longer barrel version!!
http://www.chiappafirearms.com/products/75
Why? I mean, really, someone sat down and dreamed that up. Then he went to the trouble of having it manufactured. Again I ask, why?
Landrum
My thought exactly. I've never seen one in person, but I wouldn't buy one because I just don't like the looks of it, but that aside, what are the advantages of having the barrel on the bottom? Just because it's different doesn't make it better - or even useful. Has anyone ever handled one?
Why? I mean, really, someone sat down and dreamed that up. Then he went to the trouble of having it manufactured. Again I ask, why?
Landrum
My thought exactly. I've never seen one in person, but I wouldn't buy one because I just don't like the looks of it, but that aside, what are the advantages of having the barrel on the bottom? Just because it's different doesn't make it better - or even useful. Has anyone ever handled one?
As I stated in my previous post I think that you are being a little hasty about condemning the design features and principle of operation of the Chiappa Rhino. The Rhino design is similar to the Mateba Unica 6 and I believe stems from the same engineer/designer.
The principle is to lower the barrel to the lowest axis in the frame thus reducing muzzle rise forces and more directly align the recoil with the shooters hand/wrist. This would lead to a more balanced feel and even reduce the recoil.
The Mateba took the concept to another level and uses a sliding barrel much like the popular semi automatics which causes the cylinder to rotate and the hammer to reset eliminating the direct mechanical links usually found in revolvers.
Over 100 years ago the Webley Fossey design for a semi automatic revolver was patented.
I suggest we let time be the judge on the validity of this design.
As to appearances-well- beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder but I suspect the longer barrel versions may look more balanced.
All in all-I think we should encourage innovation in gun design beyond composites and alloys.
I didn't condem it. i simply said I didn't like the looks, and I don't, and I wouldn't buy one for that reason. It's not the first revolver of that design, and I don't see the other ones around any more. I think it's the perfect solution to a problem that never existed.
I've handled several in the past few weeks and was, frankly, underwhelmed. I completely "get" the engineering behind the pistol, but for around $700 I'd rather have a 3.5 inch S&W Mod. 27 or 28.
That said, this is apt to really take off as soon as Hollywood starts using these on the big and small screen...
My range should have several for rental soon
I have a empty spot for a .357 right now. But I would prefer a 5-6" tube.
We will soon see.
Maybe I just have a soft spot for the "ugly " duckling that will shoot rings around your beauty queen.
Really wanting to see one in person before I decide on anything. Sure is interesting.
O
DaddyWPB
Sorry, I was just responding to your comment" what are the advantages of having the barrel on the bottom?"Just because it's different doesn't make it better - or even useful. Has anyone ever handled one?"
Whether it is commercially successful or not- there are practical reasons based on good physics - to move the barrel to the lowest position in the frame.
By the way there are no longer any Cords or Dusenbergs being made today but that doesn't mean that they weren't magnificent pieces of machinery.
The advantage is in the recoil geometry.
Keeping it in line with the arm makes it a straight push instead of twisting the gun out of your grip
Even a 1/2 inch makes a huge difference with a magnum
ColsPaul,
I am with you on this one-I like what I have read from various sources enough to buy one but will wait for a longer barreled version. I think it will look great next to my Mateba Unica 6 .44 and Wildey .475 and we'll see how it feels and fires in comparison.
Heck, I'd love to have one just because it's so different---it's kind of a modern day Mauser Broomhandle (and I'd like to own one of those someday too).
The time I shot the Mateba, it was a unique and pleasant experience. Would I carry it (or the Rhino) for everyday protection? Probably not, but what a cool gun to shoot!!
I want a side-lever Grant or Dixon round body shotgun for the same reason. Logic plays no role in any of this.
Just got a note from Roberta Higgins at Valorcorp, in Dayton, Ohio about availability of the longer barreled Rhinos-see below.
"I do not have an arrival date, they were just set up probably weeks, thanks Roberta"
Just purchased a 4" and a 6" Rhino-shipped yesterday. If anyone is interested Matt had 4 or 5 of them.
Matt
Harris Firearms
1214 Western Ave
Waterloo, IA 50702
319-833-0199 PH/FAX
It will be interesting to see how these shoot-hopefully I wil know by next week.