Purpose of posting such garbage??

The purpose of posting this garbage is to show how not to shoot a revolver at game, the guys in the video suck.

Gunner

As always, much depends on the shooter...

Purpose of posting such garbage??

There's a case where the shooter has too much gun. Very few people can competently shoot a .454 beyond 7 yards. Recoil is severe no matter who you are. And while the Taurus Raging Bull is without a doubt the most accurate production revolver I've ever shot, the grip frame is somewhat less than optimal for a hoss like the .454.

I've shot the Raging Bull in .454 and .480, and I'll take the .480 EVERY TIME; much more fun to shoot and with an LBT LFN bullet, I think it just out-performs the .454 for less recoil.

I think it maybe possible to have to much gun for the animal just as it's possible to have to little gun for the animal.

Interesting comment Kevin.

On all the forums I've found so far dedicated to hog hunting a common thread seems to be that bigger isn't necessarily better.

It seems that rifle and revolver/pistol rounds at the low end of the power curve seem to kill more hogs quicker than the rifles and revolvers/pistol at the high end of the power curve.

I've talked to government hunters and many of them use a .220 Swift or .22-250 to kill big bears and even buffalo. They say that the bullets dump all their energy inside the animal rather than go through the animal dumping the energy outside the animal.

A friend of mine killed a big black bear with a .223 Ruger Mini-14 at about 75 yards with one shot in the sternum. The round broke the sternum and blew up the heart. The bear was standing on it's hind legs, woofed and fell over backwards dead right there. No exit hole, all energy expanded in the bear.

I think it maybe possible to have to much gun for the animal just as it's possible to have to little gun for the animal.

In this discussion I am not interested in rifles as they have a lot more velocity to work with and the dynamic is completely different. Revolver bullets by comparison are lumbering. Nowadays, I hunt almost exclusively with handguns, and I can assure you that two holes are better than one. I consider a bullet that doesn't exit a failure.

I have shot hogs with my .416 Remington (the rifle in my signature picture), my .458 Lott, and a slew of other calibers, and they kill no better or faster than my .454, .475, .500 LInebaugh, .500 JRH, etc. despite the muzzle energy "advantage" they enjoy. I have seen pigs that were shot not bleed or stop bleeding because the hole closes up (fat, hair, etc.). Make two holes and your tracking will be a lot easier and the animal will bleed out faster.

Not trying to be argumentative, but there still is no replacement for placement. A poorly shot hog can live on and absorb a lot of lead for a period of time. Hit 'em right, and collect the carcass. Here's one I shot last month......320 grain WFN -- two holes, and a dead hog......

In this discussion I am not interested in rifles as they have a lot more velocity to work with and the dynamic is completely different. Revolver bullets by comparison are lumbering. Nowadays, I hunt almost exclusively with handguns, and I can assure you that two holes are better than one. I consider a bullet that doesn't exit a failure.

I have shot hogs with my .416 Remington (the rifle in my signature picture), my .458 Lott, and a slew of other calibers, and they kill no better or faster than my .454, .475, .500 LInebaugh, .500 JRH, etc. despite the muzzle energy "advantage" they enjoy. I have seen pigs that were shot not bleed or stop bleeding because the hole closes up (fat, hair, etc.). Make two holes and your tracking will be a lot easier and the animal will bleed out faster.

Not trying to be argumentative, but there still is no replacement for placement. A poorly shot hog can live on and absorb a lot of lead for a period of time. Hit 'em right, and collect the carcass. Here's one I shot last month......320 grain WFN -- two holes, and a dead hog......

My OPINION* on the matter is…rarely is it a case of too much or too little gun. Sure, it happens, but for every 1 case of too much or too little gun, I’m betting there’s a few dozen of…had you placed your shot better, all would have turned out okay.

When I was young I thought it was irresponsible to use the .223 for deer sized game. But I’ve learned that the .223’s almost complete lack of recoil allows the shooter to place his shot considerably better than had he been armed with a .30-06. I’ve also learned that even with lung shots on deer, the .223 isn’t nearly the pip-squeak I used to think it was. I’ve seen chest and lung shots with 55 grain soft points result in very clean kills. Now those clean kills are not produced in a way that gives ME a warm & fuzzy. Often that little bullet just barely penetrates enough to reach the vitals…but to my astonishment, I’ve yet to see a well hit animal from a .223 just walk away.

When people say the .223, .22-250 or .220 Swift do what they do because they “dump all their energy into the target”, I say BS. They work because the shooter was able to place his/her shot with surgical precision. Pop a deer in the spine with a .220 swift and chances are a bullet that completely blew up and only penetrated 1 inch still works; again, it’s all about the shot.

It’s almost ALWAYS about the shot; place it well and most cartridges will do most reasonable jobs just fine. You don’t need a .475 Linebaugh to take down a black bear or wild pig. But if you can shoot one well, why not? I would say most every time that a .475 Linebaugh is too much gun for deer, hogs and black bear. But if you load it right, that’s not always the case. Light .480 loads will turn the .475 into something more akin to a .44 magnum. But sometimes we choose something like a .475 Linebaugh for hogs not because we NEED it, but because we’re enamored with the .475 Linebaugh (or whatever other cartridge), and we just want to see it do its thing through thick, dense muscle tissue. There’s nothing wrong with that.

But a guy has no business hunting with a handgun he can’t hit with. I’d say we as American’s run into situations of too much gun far more often than we run into issues of too little gun. A good handgunner like JWP or Whitworth can take a cannon like a .454 or .475 Linebaugh and through bullet selection and their choice in handloads, use that one handgun to kill most anything that walks on planet Earth, with game killed quick, clean and appropriately. Give that same gun to someone who can’t REALLY handle the recoil, and you can see videos like the one at the beginning of this thread all day long. Think back to the video…Even when the guy walked up to the classic Hollywood “point blank” range, his fear of his .454 caused him to jerk the trigger so bad he still couldn’t produce a quick kill on the animal, causing that poor hog to continue to writhe in pain until he finally bled out. I’m betting if the guy behind the trigger was the afore mentioned JWP or Whitworth, that hog would have died 10x as fast if they were shooting a .357 magnum, than that idiot with the .454; it’s all about the shot.

*Stressing the word OPINION. This is just my OPINION on the matter and I'm not stating this is fact, just my view of the issue of too much or too little gun.

To Guyandarifle and Whitworth1:

This is an argument that has been going on since the invention of the gun: all the energy inside or through and through energy/hole. This an argument that will probably never be won.

I've never hunted pigs wild or otherwise. In visting all the hog hunting forums I could find it seemed to me that all the big guns from 30-06 up to and including elephant guns took many rounds to put down a pig even the pigs that weren't super sized. The same could be said of the really big handguns.

One reason I suspect the smaller calibers tend to put down the pigs with one shot and DRT is because of the lower recoil, people tend to shoot more and practice more. I know I shoot my 1911 a heck of lot more than I do my .44mag. I also shoot my .22lr bench gun a heck of a lot more than my .308 Win. bench gun. Lower recoil guns tends to lead me to shoot more than the heavier recoiling guns do.

We all seem to agree that the old boys in the video had a gun they did not shoot very well. Had they had a lower recoiling handgun that they shot a lot and placed their shots better that old pig might have gone down with the first shot.

There is no arguement for anyone that has a clue about the subject. Physics is the JUDGE and there is no argument. Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision. Energy is mostly transformed into thermal energy, some energy transforms into sounds as well as some other forms. There can be a SMALL amount of energy transfer, but this amount is untraceable and unimportant in terminal ballistics. There if you can prove other wise I am sure a Pulitzer prize in science awaits and Physics has been wrong for centuries, but I ain't holding my breath

Well I don't know beans about no physics all I know is bullet companies spend zillions on different types of bullets from big chucks of lead the make a hole clean through an animal to bullets that expand to twice sometime three times the bullets size with giant wound channels, the bullets don't exist and animals die either way. I figure bullet companies wouldn't spend all that money if there was no argment on what a bullet does they would just make one type of bullet and that would be it.

YMMV.

Another troll from a member who doesn't even hunt.

Rancho_Loco - Your comment is a reply to a post from JWP475...are you saying JWP doesn't hunt, 'cause you can bet your arse he does?

Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision.

Obviously, a .454 Casull is more than adequate for the biggest, baddest pig on the planet.

I would take the 460 S&W over the Cassull any day of the week.

I saw that video awhile back on youtube doing the same thing you were doing. I can't believe that 454 didn't stop the pig with a real quickness. Maybe they were using 45 longcolt. I don't know.

Location, location, location. A miss with a field artilery piece doesn't kill very quickly, either.

Having hunted hogs with the .460, .454, and .45 Colt, I would take the .45 Colt every time over the other two.

Same here. In capable hands a 45 Colt hardly needs an encore nor an upgrade. I carry 45 Colt in my revolvers or 45 Super in my 1911's when pigs are a concern or on the menu.

Energy dump is a myth. I don't like making blanket statements, but two holes are always better than one. I kill a lot of hogs a year with handguns, and if you do your part, and the handgun is loaded correctly, bigger normally works better -- unless it's a small animal that really doesn't require a lareg caliber. Of course CNS shots are not caliber dependent.