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To Guyandarifle and Whitworth1:
This is an argument that has been going on since the invention of the gun: all the energy inside or through and through energy/hole. This an argument that will probably never be won.
I've never hunted pigs wild or otherwise. In visting all the hog hunting forums I could find it seemed to me that all the big guns from 30-06 up to and including elephant guns took many rounds to put down a pig even the pigs that weren't super sized. The same could be said of the really big handguns.
One reason I suspect the smaller calibers tend to put down the pigs with one shot and DRT is because of the lower recoil, people tend to shoot more and practice more. I know I shoot my 1911 a heck of lot more than I do my .44mag. I also shoot my .22lr bench gun a heck of a lot more than my .308 Win. bench gun. Lower recoil guns tends to lead me to shoot more than the heavier recoiling guns do.
We all seem to agree that the old boys in the video had a gun they did not shoot very well. Had they had a lower recoiling handgun that they shot a lot and placed their shots better that old pig might have gone down with the first shot. There is noarguement for anyone that has a clue about the subject. Physics is the JUDGE and there is no arguement. Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision. Energy is mostly transformed into thermal enrgy, some enrgy transforms into sounds as well as some other forms. There can be a SMALL amount of enrgy transfer, but this amount is untracable and unimportant in terminal ballistics. There if you can prove other wise I am sure a Pultzer prize in science awaits and Physics has been wrong for centuries, but I ain't holding my breath
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To Guyandarifle and Whitworth1:
This is an argument that has been going on since the invention of the gun: all the energy inside or through and through energy/hole. This an argument that will probably never be won.
I've never hunted pigs wild or otherwise. In visiting all the hog hunting forums I could find it seemed to me that all the big guns from 30-06 up to and including elephant guns took many rounds to put down a pig even the pigs that weren't super sized. The same could be said of the really big handguns.
One reason I suspect the smaller calibers tend to put down the pigs with one shot and DRT is because of the lower recoil, people tend to shoot more and practice more. I know I shoot my 1911 a heck of lot more than I do my .44mag. I also shoot my .22lr bench gun a heck of a lot more than my .308 Win. bench gun. Lower recoil guns tends to lead me to shoot more than the heavier recoiling guns do.
We all seem to agree that the old boys in the video had a gun they did not shoot very well. Had they had a lower recoiling handgun that they shot a lot and placed their shots better that old pig might have gone down with the first shot. There is no arguement for anyone that has a clue about the subject. Physics is the JUDGE and there is no argument. Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision. Energy is mostly transformed into thermal energy, some energy transforms into sounds as well as some other forms. There can be a SMALL amount of energy transfer, but this amount is untraceable and unimportant in terminal ballistics. There if you can prove other wise I am sure a Pulitzer prize in science awaits and Physics has been wrong for centuries, but I ain't holding my breath Well I don't know beans about no physics all I know is bullet companies spend zillions on different types of bullets from big chucks of lead the make a hole clean through an animal to bullets that expand to twice sometime three times the bullets size with giant wound channels, the bullets don't exist and animals die either way. I figure bullet companies wouldn't spend all that money if there was no argment on what a bullet does they would just make one type of bullet and that would be it. YMMV.
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To Guyandarifle and Whitworth1:
This is an argument that has been going on since the invention of the gun: all the energy inside or through and through energy/hole. This an argument that will probably never be won.
I've never hunted pigs wild or otherwise. In visiting all the hog hunting forums I could find it seemed to me that all the big guns from 30-06 up to and including elephant guns took many rounds to put down a pig even the pigs that weren't super sized. The same could be said of the really big handguns.
One reason I suspect the smaller calibers tend to put down the pigs with one shot and DRT is because of the lower recoil, people tend to shoot more and practice more. I know I shoot my 1911 a heck of lot more than I do my .44mag. I also shoot my .22lr bench gun a heck of a lot more than my .308 Win. bench gun. Lower recoil guns tends to lead me to shoot more than the heavier recoiling guns do.
We all seem to agree that the old boys in the video had a gun they did not shoot very well. Had they had a lower recoiling handgun that they shot a lot and placed their shots better that old pig might have gone down with the first shot. There is no arguement for anyone that has a clue about the subject. Physics is the JUDGE and there is no argument. Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision. Energy is mostly transformed into thermal energy, some energy transforms into sounds as well as some other forms. There can be a SMALL amount of energy transfer, but this amount is untraceable and unimportant in terminal ballistics. There if you can prove other wise I am sure a Pulitzer prize in science awaits and Physics has been wrong for centuries, but I ain't holding my breath Well I don't know beans about no physics all I know is bullet companies spend zillions on different types of bullets from big chucks of lead the make a hole clean through an animal to bullets that expand to twice sometime three times the bullets size with giant wound channels, the bullets don't exist and animals die either way. I figure bullet companies wouldn't spend all that money if there was no argment on what a bullet does they would just make one type of bullet and that would be it. YMMV. Again you figure WRONG. Those companies make what guys like you want to buy. A great buissnes decision, but not always a good termal decisions
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Another troll from a member who doesn't even hunt.
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Another troll from a member who doesn't even hunt. Rancho_Loco - Your comment is a reply to a post from JWP475...are you saying JWP doesn't hunt, 'cause you can bet your arse he does?
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Another troll from a member who doesn't even hunt. Rancho_Loco - Your comment is a reply to a post from JWP475...are you saying JWP doesn't hunt, 'cause you can bet your arse he does? I don't think his comment was directed at JWP......
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I never said I've never hunted I said I've never hunted pigs and I was willing to learn not be insulted.
This is NOT directed to you Whitworth or Kevin.
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Fact i that a bullet strike is an inelastic collision and the conservation of energy can not be used in an inelastic collision. Actually it can, and I've explained it to you before. If you want to learn on your own, find out what happens when kinetic energy is converted to thermal energy via friction. Sorry, but the laws of physics don't make exceptions for those who do not understand them.
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No the laws of physics do not make exceptions. An excellent book on the subject. ![[Linked Image]](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/DuncanMacPhearson.jpg)
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Obviously, a .454 Casull is more than adequate for the biggest, baddest pig on the planet. I would take the 460 S&W over the Cassull any day of the week.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Obviously, a .454 Casull is more than adequate for the biggest, baddest pig on the planet. I would take the 460 S&W over the Cassull any day of the week. I would not.......
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I saw that video awhile back on youtube doing the same thing you were doing. I can't believe that 454 didn't stop the pig with a real quickness. Maybe they were using 45 longcolt. I don't know.
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I saw that video awhile back on youtube doing the same thing you were doing. I can't believe that 454 didn't stop the pig with a real quickness. Maybe they were using 45 longcolt. I don't know. Having hunted hogs with the .460, .454, and .45 Colt, I would take the .45 Colt every time over the other two. The Colt loads I use are more than adequate for anything you may encounter in the lower 48, without all of the blast created by those other two cartridges.
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Whatever they were using they were certainly poor shots and I certainly wouldn't post a you tube video of it. Heck, I'd want hang my head in shame.
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Well, I thought it was interesting but one can't learn much from a clueless [bleep] like our video hero. It did make me appreciate the cameramen who do the pro videos however.
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Location, location, location.  A miss with a field artilery piece doesn't kill very quickly, either. 
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Location, location, location. A miss with a field artilery piece doesn't kill very quickly, either. I don't know about that. Anything within a 100 to 150 yard radius of 155MM howitzer is pretty much toast with high explosives. Of course, that was about 35 years ago. You maybe right today.
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Those guys stalked that pig in the video for a long time more than I would have if I knew I had an adequate firearm in my hand as well as confidence in my ability to put the bullet in the kill zone.
So, evidently all they DID have was a powerful firearm which they had no business with. That poor pig suffered a long time even after the finishing shot which, I think was even a miss also.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Having hunted hogs with the .460, .454, and .45 Colt, I would take the .45 Colt every time over the other two. Same here. In capable hands a 45 Colt hardly needs an encore nor an upgrade. I carry 45 Colt in my revolvers or 45 Super in my 1911's when pigs are a concern or on the menu.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Having hunted hogs with the .460, .454, and .45 Colt, I would take the .45 Colt every time over the other two. Same here. In capable hands a 45 Colt hardly needs an encore nor an upgrade. I carry 45 Colt in my revolvers or 45 Super in my 1911's when pigs are a concern or on the menu. ![[Linked Image]](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/Beers.gif)
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