Saw this article on AllOutdoor today and figured it worthy of discussion here.
I always carry 1 extra magazine. Used to carry 2 in a mag holster, but that got to feeling like a duty belt. Made me understand why cops always walk with their elbows out.
Interested in knowing what everybody else does. ??
Yessir, always carry at least two hi-cap mags, and sometimes three of the 8 round single stacks 45's or 10 round Tripp 10mm and 38 Super mags, they all ride perfectly comfortable in my rear left jeans pocket, a tin of Cope keeps em all standing up straight and handy.
It's pretty easy to carry a second mag so the question should be why not.
Just that much more weight pulling your pants down. A loaded 17 round magazine is pretty heavy in the pocket. With 18 on board the Glock 17 already, I don't particularly feel the need for it, coming from my last CCW which was a six shot .38. That's three times the firepower without a reload. It's like a Model 10 with two speed loaders, except you don't need to speed load them.
Now, when I carry the Glock 43 instead, I almost always carry a spare mag in my pants pocket, because those, fully loaded, aren't very heavy.
Of course there's always an extra loaded 17 round Glock mag somewhere nearby, such as in the night stand drawer, or glove compartment of my car, which can easily be grabbed and stuck in a pocket if the need arises.
It's pretty easy to carry a second mag so the question should be why not.
Just that much more weight pulling your pants down. A loaded 17 round magazine is pretty heavy in the pocket. With 18 on board the Glock 17 already, I don't particularly feel the need for it, coming from my last CCW which was a six shot .38. That's three times the firepower without a reload. It's like a Model 10 with two speed loaders, except you don't need to speed load them.
Now, when I carry the Glock 43 instead, I almost always carry a spare mag in my pants pocket, because those, fully loaded, aren't very heavy.
Of course there's always an extra loaded 17 round Glock mag somewhere nearby, such as in the night stand drawer, or glove compartment of my car, which can easily be grabbed and stuck in a pocket if the need arises.
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
Carrying extra ammo could be the difference in getting to do that again, not to mention being alive to watch out for that woman and kids for the remainder of your life, the Copper gun thread about so many NOT carrying damn near put me in a ""stupid"" coma, and that doesn't take much btw. comfort? fu-k comfort, stay alive, rest when you get back to the damn house.
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
Carrying extra ammo could be the difference in getting to do that again, not to mention being alive to watch out for that woman and kids for the remainder of your life, the Copper gun thread about so many NOT carrying damn near put me in a ""stupid"" coma, and that doesn't take much btw. comfort? fu-k comfort, stay alive, rest when you get back to the damn house.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I carry a 15 round 2.0 M&P Compact IWB and carry an extra 15 round mag on my belt in a BFG Ten Speed pouch horizontally. Along with my wallet, keys, flashlight, knife and spare change in my pockets and my pants haven't fell down yet.
It's not so much the number of rounds, cause I carry a J frame at times with a speed strip.
One shot might be all it takes or the magazine in the gun might break, heck I locked up a J frame once in a match. Murphy is out there.
If I was down by the southern border, I'd be rolling heavy too. Here in MT, it's a little different.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
If I was down by the southern border, I'd be rolling heavy too. Here in MT, it's a little different.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
“Fire and Flee”, is a good plan! That “back-up” magazine may provide you with the “fire” to accomplish that! Just a thought! memtb
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
If I was down by the southern border, I'd be rolling heavy too. Here in MT, it's a little different.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
“Fire and Flee”, is a good plan! That “back-up” magazine may provide you with the “fire” to accomplish that! Just a thought! memtb
Or the opportunity to top off your gun for plausible deniability.😇
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
Good point.
No.
It really ain’t a good point.
Who the fugk is walking around with a mag that induces malfunctions in their carry weapon? How often does this occur?
Have been studying gunfights, both LE and civilian, since the early 1980s. From the stats I have seen LE ends up with a reload in about 7% of their gun fights. Civilians....0.00001%.
I've asked most of the big name trainers if they have examples of a civilian reload where shots were fired after the reload...none. Or run out of ammo and a reload could have been done if available and ended up injured or dead...none. I've seen a couple of accounts of reloading but hard to verify...
In Tom Givins book FIGHTING SMARTER he had over 60 students in gunfights and not a one needed a reload. He said a couple topped off after the fight was over but it didn't change the outcome any...
That said, I do carry a ManBag that has my checkbook wallet, sunglasses case, and a bunch of other small stuff that I don't want stuffed in my pockets or used to be on me when I wore a vest. There is a extra magazine in there.
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
Good point.
No.
It really ain’t a good point.
Who the fugk is walking around with a mag that induces malfunctions in their carry weapon? How often does this occur?
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
Good point.
No.
It really ain’t a good point.
Who the fugk is walking around with a mag that induces malfunctions in their carry weapon? How often does this occur?
At least I won’t have to “flee” like you! 😜
Thinking if you can't get the job done in 15 rounds, you damn well better flee.
And I'd like to see those stories of confirmed proper mags failing in a gunfight.
If I was down by the southern border, I'd be rolling heavy too. Here in MT, it's a little different.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
The decision is almost always situational.
I'm sure most of us do a conscious or subconscious threat assessment every time we are heading out the door.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
The only time I've ever thought that I might come in 2nd Place,was on Chichagof. Had (5) Brownies in proximity,the furthest being 20yds away. (2) Boars to my left and a Sow and Twins to my right,post Rut(luckily).
I KNEW someone would find the Satin Nickle BHP in my mitts emptied,but really didn't know what the Final Score was gonna read.(grin)
An extry mag(which I had on me at the time),wasn't gonna "help" and I luckily managed to slip away,less pressing the trigger.
Ah the old "Mall Ninja" mentality appears! At this point one of the resident Mall Ninjas will chime in telling us how they always carry three 30 round spare mags for their Glock 26 and practice mag changes using their anus.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
Saw this article on AllOutdoor today and figured it worthy of discussion here.
I always carry 1 extra magazine. Used to carry 2 in a mag holster, but that got to feeling like a duty belt. Made me understand why cops always walk with their elbows out.
Interested in knowing what everybody else does. ??
Yes. At least one reload.
A person would feel pretty silly when the nutcuttin' came, and he ran out of ammo at a critical time.
Enjoyed the thread, made me think and laugh. Lotta good points around where I live they say plausible combat range is 7-12 yds, shooting at anyone past that will get you looked at real hard by the law (why didn't you retreat?) Deflaves point. Guess it should most likely come down to what you think you might have to take on ,worst case scenario. Hard enough to carry a full size ccw without it being obvious, never mind 2-3 extra mags. Sometimes I carry a DAO M60 SW 38 and others a CZ semi auto in 9 or 40. I was a boy scout once half a century a go, never did forget "be prepared". Guess that is why I carry a AR and a pump gun in the truck as well. Truck all ways seems to have more ammo in it than all these arsenals some criminal has. No matter what you got, the liberals will still fault you for standing up against some perp. WTF after the first shot the rest are free right? Carry what you can easily conceal, out sight, out of mind. Do what you gotta when the time comes. trust your self and don't worry about what anyone else does. MB
If I was down by the southern border, I'd be rolling heavy too. Here in MT, it's a little different.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm schit kicking in the woods or mountains I carry a healthy amount of ammo.
But for day in and day out just going to store or whatever, I just don't see where Joe Schit the Ragman is going to be well served by engaging anything with 50 rounds of ammo. If anything it will just get you shot by the po-po.
I think a "fire and flee" approach makes more sense.
The decision is almost always situational.
I'm sure most of us do a conscious or subconscious threat assessment every time we are heading out the door.
you pretty much got it down, it is situational. overlooking the issue with semiautomatics, and a jam or malfunction, most likely rare, is the issue of multiple targets with various degrees of threat. We were practicing that clear back in the 70's, when everyone was using six shot revolvers. i did have a situation one time with about ten or so armed very drunk bikers, that another guy and i had to arrest. I would have liked to have had a MP5. And i do live near the border, which is everywhere these days in arizona, with phoenix being one of the major transit points for narco's. and i have come across large groups of illegals with coyotes on the desert. Given that situation i always had some kind of black rifle in the truck, and both extra mags for it and the sidearm. There was a local situation in prescott just last weekend where a man and wife, unarmed, got jumped by four people described as hispanics. The man got the snot kicked out of him. whatever makes you comfortable. I felt comfortable for years with a model 19 and some speed loaders, still do to some extent. But those high cap mags are there for a reason. I had to go to a court proceeding a few years ago, one of the armed guys in the courthouse was packing a mag holder for four spare mags. i was kind of snickering at that, but not so much anymore. i shouldd add it is much different shooting paper targets than having a firearm pointed at somebody knowing that somebody might be meeting eternity shortly. You get pretty wired up. Which is the reason you hear of some cops dumping a whole magazine out of that glock 17.
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
Carrying extra ammo could be the difference in getting to do that again, not to mention being alive to watch out for that woman and kids for the remainder of your life....
Jerry, I never thought of it that way, but that's a right smart way of putting it.
Anyways, I always carry at least one spare mag/speedstrip for any single-stack or revolver. A Glock can usually stay fed on what's in the magazine, or to fight my way back to the other magazines I have stashed in the truck/backpack.
I'd never admit to carrying a "manbag" on this site......never.
..you're behind the times...what do you think all those "sling bags" are that are in the "Tacticool" magazines... I've been carrying this little black pouch since the 1990s. It's also a nice place to stash my backup gun...
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
Good point.
No.
It really ain’t a good point.
Who the fugk is walking around with a mag that induces malfunctions in their carry weapon? How often does this occur?
I carry a spare mag, mainly because mag-related malfunctions are the most likely thing to cause a problem. I understand why some prefer to carry more than 1 spare although I don't myself. I don't see any good reason not to carry at least one; stuff happens we can't predict, and having a spare is no hindrance to my everyday life.
Good point.
No.
It really ain’t a good point.
Who the fugk is walking around with a mag that induces malfunctions in their carry weapon? How often does this occur?
Good point.
And that's why I strapped with Glock Perfection!......Get Some!!!
I don't generally carry a spare mag for the Glock 17.
Lot's of good reasons to do so...………..but I like living on the edge.....grin
I've met you - bad asses don't need no spare mags
I'm really a pretty easy going person. I generally keep a poker face in public. People tend to take a friendly face for foolishness, an easy hustle, etc.
I carry one spare magazine, except when I am going down to the border, then I carry two--and I have an AR in the vehicle.
For ten years, I lived and worked on a ranch that had 25 miles of the international boundary as its southern border. I always had a 1911 or a Browning .40 on my belt, with two spare magazines on the other side. Never had to draw a gun on illegals, whether they were just walking or actually carrying contraband.
I wear these suspenders every day. They are strong, and do not get in the way of where I put my holster (strongside or stong side behind hip bone). They keep everything riding where it should be.
I carry one spare magazine, except when I am going down to the border, then I carry two--and I have an AR in the vehicle.
For ten years, I lived and worked on a ranch that had 25 miles of the international boundary as its southern border. I always had a 1911 or a Browning .40 on my belt, with two spare magazines on the other side. Never had to draw a gun on illegals, whether they were just walking or actually carrying contraband.
I am a full-time judge in our state's district court. My decisions often upset folks. They don't like being put in jail, and they don't like their kinfolk being put in jail.
I walk through same parking lot each day at 5:00 PM. My most likely unwanted scenario is a bad guy, lying in wait, who is pissed and is going to even the score with me. I will likely be on my own for a couple minutes until law enforcement arrives to assist. I have no idea how many rounds I'm statistically likely going to need, so I carry a G19 and a spare magazine. I can't disagree that I probably won't ever need the spare magazine, but I feel better having it along.
On weekends, I often don't care the spare. On my "cheat days" I carry a Kahr PM9 (7+1) plus a spare 6 round mag.
I'd never admit to carrying a "manbag" on this site......never.
..you're behind the times...what do you think all those "sling bags" are that are in the "Tacticool" magazines... I've been carrying this little black pouch since the 1990s. It's also a nice place to stash my backup gun...
Make sure it's big enough.
Anything too small for a laptop says "shoot me first".
I am a full-time judge in our state's district court. My decisions often upset folks. They don't like being put in jail, and they don't like their kinfolk being put in jail.
I walk through same parking lot each day at 5:00 PM. My most likely unwanted scenario is a bad guy, lying in wait, who is pissed and is going to even the score with me. I will likely be on my own for a couple minutes until law enforcement arrives to assist. I have no idea how many rounds I'm statistically likely going to need, so I carry a G19 and a spare magazine. I can't disagree that I probably won't ever need the spare magazine, but I feel better having it along.
On weekends, I often don't care the spare. On my "cheat days" I carry a Kahr PM9 (7+1) plus a spare 6 round mag.
Othing worse than running out of ammo when in a target enriched environment.
I am a full-time judge in our state's district court. My decisions often upset folks. They don't like being put in jail, and they don't like their kinfolk being put in jail.
I walk through same parking lot each day at 5:00 PM. My most likely unwanted scenario is a bad guy, lying in wait, who is pissed and is going to even the score with me. I will likely be on my own for a couple minutes until law enforcement arrives to assist. I have no idea how many rounds I'm statistically likely going to need, so I carry a G19 and a spare magazine. I can't disagree that I probably won't ever need the spare magazine, but I feel better having it along.
On weekends, I often don't care the spare. On my "cheat days" I carry a Kahr PM9 (7+1) plus a spare 6 round mag.
Nothing worse than running out of ammo when in a target enriched environment.
Here's what my nephew packs along on duty (8PM to 6AM shift in the Phoenix ghetto).
PS I went on a ride along for his entire shift a couple of weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
Yeah pretty sure what you wrote earlier, if true would of got your nephew in a whole lot of trouble.. I did enjoy the part about his partner tossing you the 870 saying use if needed..
Here's what my nephew packs along on duty (8PM to 6AM shift in the Phoenix ghetto).
PS I went on a ride along for his entire shift a couple of weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
Yeah pretty sure what you wrote earlier, if true would of got your nephew in a whole lot of trouble.. I did enjoy the part about his partner tossing you the 870 saying use if needed..
Here's what my nephew packs along on duty (8PM to 6AM shift in the Phoenix ghetto).
PS I went on a ride along for his entire shift a couple of weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
Yeah pretty sure what you wrote earlier, if true would of got your nephew in a whole lot of trouble.. I did enjoy the part about his partner tossing you the 870 saying use if needed..
Locally, that would of gotten the Nephew fired. I have no idea how different things are in Phoenix.
I carry a pocket gun so, yes I carry a spare mag, but that is not as many rounds as some carry in the mag in their gun. There is that old sayin, . . . . "Ain't gonna die for lack of shootin!!!"
I've got the Winchester 1886 short rifle in .45-70 (Made by Miroku, in Japan). Front sight is too low. With the rear sight all the way down, it still hits like six inches high at 100 yards. I guess the solution is going to be to install a taller front sight.
Of Course I can only use standard pressure .45-70, unlike your Marlin.
In defending my reason for carrying 2 extra magazines is that ....with all 3 mags, I only have a total of 19 rounds. Dumping a magazine and doing a reload, helps keep track of “exactly” how much ammo I have left! memtb
In defending my reason for carrying 2 extra magazines is that ....with all 3 mags, I only have a total of 19 rounds. Dumping a magazine and doing a reload, helps keep track of “exactly” how much ammo I have left! memtb
When your mag only holds 6, it makes perfect sense to carry an extra mag or two.
I've got the Winchester 1886 short rifle in .45-70 (Made by Miroku, in Japan). Front sight is too low. With the rear sight all the way down, it still hits like six inches high at 100 yards. I guess the solution is going to be to install a taller front sight.
Of Course I can only use standard pressure .45-70, unlike your Marlin.
I thought the modern 1886 was reputed to be stronger than the modern Marlin 1895?
Buffalo Bore gives it the green light for their "45-70 Magnum" loads:
"…...all Winchester 1886 iterations made since 1915....."
Here's what my nephew packs along on duty (8PM to 6AM shift in the Phoenix ghetto).
PS I went on a ride along for his entire shift a couple of weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
Yeah pretty sure what you wrote earlier, if true would of got your nephew in a whole lot of trouble.. I did enjoy the part about his partner tossing you the 870 saying use if needed..
I have no idea what you're speaking of, LOL.
What would of made this even more believable was when your nephew partner went to hand you the shotgun. You replied no need for that and you showed him a pair of nickel plated 1911 with ivory grips chambered in 38 supers. Every time they responded to an incident you yell let's go deliver some justice!
In defending my reason for carrying 2 extra magazines is that ....with all 3 mags, I only have a total of 19 rounds. Dumping a magazine and doing a reload, helps keep track of “exactly” how much ammo I have left! memtb
This is sound tactics.
I'm not sure where "they" get "their" statics, but I trust Clint Smith's data more, and fully believe a person is predisposed to empty the mag just because the threat will still be standing even when hit.
My training is to shoot until the threat (or threats) drops from my sight picture, cover while making a tactical reload. Sweep the area for additional threats.
Not having the back up mag makes a tactical reload problematic.
Also, as memtb states, after the reload, I know I have one in the pipe and a full mag, in case of additional surprises.
No need. I shot a bull elk with a .45-70. I think the MV of the 400gr bullet was something like 1650. The bullet went through his spine and the offside shoulder blade. It was kind of cool.
Yours is a beautiful gun! Especially the bluing. The checkering on the plywood stock looks nice too!
Here's what my nephew packs along on duty (8PM to 6AM shift in the Phoenix ghetto).
PS I went on a ride along for his entire shift a couple of weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
Yeah pretty sure what you wrote earlier, if true would of got your nephew in a whole lot of trouble.. I did enjoy the part about his partner tossing you the 870 saying use if needed..
I have no idea what you're speaking of, LOL.
What would of made this even more believable was when your nephew partner went to hand you the shotgun. You replied no need for that and you showed him a pair of nickel plated 1911 with ivory grips chambered in 38 supers. Every time they responded to an incident you yell let's go deliver some justice!
I've got the Winchester 1886 short rifle in .45-70 (Made by Miroku, in Japan). Front sight is too low. With the rear sight all the way down, it still hits like six inches high at 100 yards. I guess the solution is going to be to install a taller front sight.
Of Course I can only use standard pressure .45-70, unlike your Marlin.
I thought the modern 1886 was reputed to be stronger than the modern Marlin 1895?
Buffalo Bore gives it the green light for their "45-70 Magnum" loads:
"…...all Winchester 1886 iterations made since 1915....."
You're correct Shane - the Browning/Winchester (Miroku) 1886's can be loaded to the same levels as the Marlin. I've loaded quite a bit for both and don't redline them either. About 1600 fps with a 405 cast is about as heavy as I go, and usually less at around 1300-1400 with IMR 3031. I think they list three levels of loads for 45-70: Trapdoor (blackpowder velocities), 1886/Marlin and then Ruger No. 1 at the top end.
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
How has this argument not made it into a ultralight hunting rifle thread.
The only time I've ever thought that I might come in 2nd Place,was on Chichagof. Had (5) Brownies in proximity,the furthest being 20yds away. (2) Boars to my left and a Sow and Twins to my right,post Rut(luckily).
I KNEW someone would find the Satin Nickle BHP in my mitts emptied,but really didn't know what the Final Score was gonna read.(grin)
An extry mag(which I had on me at the time),wasn't gonna "help" and I luckily managed to slip away,less pressing the trigger.
Woulda made a nice video.
Hint....................(grin)
Still not sure if “Chichagof” is Stickaneese for Chicago.
I've got the Winchester 1886 short rifle in .45-70 (Made by Miroku, in Japan). Front sight is too low. With the rear sight all the way down, it still hits like six inches high at 100 yards. I guess the solution is going to be to install a taller front sight.
Of Course I can only use standard pressure .45-70, unlike your Marlin.
I thought the modern 1886 was reputed to be stronger than the modern Marlin 1895?
Buffalo Bore gives it the green light for their "45-70 Magnum" loads:
"…...all Winchester 1886 iterations made since 1915....."
What would of made this even more believable was when your nephew partner went to hand you the shotgun. You replied no need for that and you showed him a pair of nickel plated 1911 with ivory grips chambered in 38 supers. Every time they responded to an incident you yell let's go deliver some justice!
You must have been there. How else would you know about the the nickel plated 1911s with ivory grips in .38 Super incident?
Not usually. I carry 2 different handguns regularly depending on what I am wearing. J frame 38 snubbie in right front pocket or a M&P 9 shield in either an IWB or OWB holster depending on once again what I am wearing.
I tend to keep things simple across the board. I tend to carry the same gun in my town, in the woods, on vacation, in big cities, at IDPA matches, etc. It usually is a compact, and I carry two spares. Everything balances out nicely, and the total weight is within a couple ounces of something like a loaded Glock 17 or Glock 19, but the total round count is double the 19.
Interesting thread. Carrying a 9mil 12+1 and one spare magazine, loose in a pocket. Mag carrier is not comfortable to carry. I would like a couple of spare mags for truck and car, but currently only have the two. Ohio requires retreat if possible, except in defense of your life or another's life. We lost "stand your ground" at the polls a few years ago.
Interesting thread. Carrying a 9mil 12+1 and one spare magazine, loose in a pocket. Mag carrier is not comfortable to carry. I would like a couple of spare mags for truck and car, but currently only have the two. Ohio requires retreat if possible, except in defense of your life or another's life. We lost "stand your ground" at the polls a few years ago.
I've got the Winchester 1886 short rifle in .45-70 (Made by Miroku, in Japan). Front sight is too low. With the rear sight all the way down, it still hits like six inches high at 100 yards. I guess the solution is going to be to install a taller front sight.
Of Course I can only use standard pressure .45-70, unlike your Marlin.
I thought the modern 1886 was reputed to be stronger than the modern Marlin 1895?
Buffalo Bore gives it the green light for their "45-70 Magnum" loads:
"…...all Winchester 1886 iterations made since 1915....."
Just realized that I misidentified the Model I have. I actually have the Model 1886 Extra Light Rifle with a 22” barrel, short 4-shot magazine, and a straight butt plate, not the Short Rifle variant.
Interesting thread. Carrying a 9mil 12+1 and one spare magazine, loose in a pocket. Mag carrier is not comfortable to carry. I would like a couple of spare mags for truck and car, but currently only have the two. Ohio requires retreat if possible, except in defense of your life or another's life. We lost "stand your ground" at the polls a few years ago.
kellory, what's with Ohio? I thought Ohio was a good ole boy state.
I just depends on what I am doing, and the type of clothing that I am wearing. For the most part, if I am just out and about, I only care the concealed firearm with 13 rnds in it. If I know that I'm going to be near a den of iniquity, then I usually have at least one extra magazine with 12 rounds in it. Sometimes two.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Ohio requires retreat if possible, except in defense of your life or another's life. We lost "stand your ground" at the polls a few years ago.
Unless another life is at risk, why put yourself in harms way ? Seek cover and concealment until LEO's arrive.
You never know how amped up the "active shooter" is on meth or how well armed they are compared to you.
Unless another life is at risk, why put yourself in harms way ? Seek cover and concealment until LEO's arrive.
You never know how amped up the "active shooter" is on meth or how well armed they are compared to you.
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A far bigger concern than meth or any other drug is the fact that once somebody starts shooting, the cops are on their way and looking for a person with a gun.
If somebody can save the day, by all means. But I wouldn't go full Mogadishu unless I'm in uniform.
The only time I've ever thought that I might come in 2nd Place,was on Chichagof. Had (5) Brownies in proximity,the furthest being 20yds away. (2) Boars to my left and a Sow and Twins to my right,post Rut(luckily).
I KNEW someone would find the Satin Nickle BHP in my mitts emptied,but really didn't know what the Final Score was gonna read.(grin)
An extry mag(which I had on me at the time),wasn't gonna "help" and I luckily managed to slip away,less pressing the trigger.
Woulda made a nice video.
Hint....................(grin)
Still not sure if “Chichagof” is Stickaneese for Chicago.
It's an island in pws know for brown bears and lots of them.. it's part of the ABC island chain. Admiralty, Baranof, Chichagof
Unless another life is at risk, why put yourself in harms way ? Seek cover and concealment until LEO's arrive.
You never know how amped up the "active shooter" is on meth or how well armed they are compared to you.
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A far bigger concern than meth or any other drug is the fact that once somebody starts shooting, the cops are on their way and looking for a person with a gun.
If somebody can save the day, by all means. But I wouldn't go full Mogadishu unless I'm in uniform.
So don't strip down to my khaki pants cut off at the knees and flip flops ???
I just depends on what I am doing, and the type of clothing that I am wearing. For the most part, if I am just out and about, I only care the concealed firearm with 13 rnds in it. If I know that I'm going to be near a den of iniquity, then I usually have at least one extra magazine with 12 rounds in it. Sometimes two.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Ohio requires retreat if possible, except in defense of your life or another's life. We lost "stand your ground" at the polls a few years ago.
Unless another life is at risk, why put yourself in harms way ? Seek cover and concealment until LEO's arrive.
You never know how amped up the "active shooter" is on meth or how well armed they are compared to you.
.
You have this misquoted. These are my words. However, it is not my job or responsibility to put myself in harm's way, only to stop an attack upon myself, or another with an eye to retreat. Only in my home, is it assumed that retreat is impossible or impractical.
Having gone dry or close to it on several occasions I prefer to carry an extra mag for my G19. My pants stay up and it is easier to conceal than a second gun. I know that I cannot predict the circumstances of a fight and fleeing may not be the best option. Should a malfunction occur I will correct it if possible not analyze the cause. If TRB fails the next option includes a reload which I prefer to do using a new, full mag. When the immediate problem is solved I will scan the area prior to reloading if not at slidelock, I have never been good at counting the rounds fired. I think tactical reloads are a range thing, have fresh mag positioned properly in hand, eject current mag and let fall and quickly but positively replace w/ new mag. Less chance of fumbling, if circumstances permit pick up partially used mag and stow.
As soon as you are positive that your environment is safe return your gun to concealed and seek better cover.
I carry my extra mag for the Glock 43 in my change pocket on my right (strong) side. Not ideal, but that’s why I’m having a friend’s wife sew change pockets on the left side, too.
Take off the velcro belt loop and it has a sewn in sleeve that lets you run your belt through it and carry any pistol magazine, double or single stack, horizontally and concealed with a T-shirt. Most useful mag carrier I've tried.
Take off the Velcro belt loop and it has a sewn in sleeve that lets you run your belt through it and carry any pistol magazine, double or single stack, horizontally and concealed with a T-shirt. Most useful mag carrier I've tried.
Didn't see the sewn in sleeve that allows you to carry base plate oriented up?
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
Carrying extra ammo could be the difference in getting to do that again, not to mention being alive to watch out for that woman and kids for the remainder of your life....
Jerry, I never thought of it that way, but that's a right smart way of putting it.
Anyways, I always carry at least one spare mag/speedstrip for any single-stack or revolver. A Glock can usually stay fed on what's in the magazine, or to fight my way back to the other magazines I have stashed in the truck/backpack.
Yessir Doc, we as men have created a lot of responsibility, husbands, dads, buddies, possible caretakers for our aging parents, business owners [ie employees], a lot of people depend on use being there, so whether to a booked chitstorm or going to the damn post office, we need to get there and back. I don't know or care what another man carries, but hope they all do.
Weight should never be a concern with staying alive, there isn't a swinging dick on here that hasn't begged, connived, pleaded, hoodwinked his way into gladly hoisting a 120lb woman up in the shower and hammering himself stupid! and will every damn chance he gets.
How has this argument not made it into a ultralight hunting rifle thread.
It has, after I read someone exclaim, oh, you can lose a whole half ounce going to a titanium bolt handle, I said if you'll clean your muddy boots and take a good chit you can lose a whole ten pounds, never mind happily sitting down for another slice of pie adding to the 80+lbs they've put on their asses since school.
Cant put my finger on exactly when we became so vaginalized.
Yessir Doc, we as men have created a lot of responsibility, husbands, dads, buddies, possible caretakers for our aging parents, business owners [ie employees], a lot of people depend on use being there, so whether to a booked chitstorm or going to the damn post office, we need to get there and back. I don't know or care what another man carries, but hope they all do.
I see you are a man who takes his responsibilities seriously. I like the way you think.
Take off the velcro belt loop and it has a sewn in sleeve that lets you run your belt through it and carry any pistol magazine, double or single stack, horizontally and concealed with a T-shirt. Most useful mag carrier I've tried.
The only time I've ever thought that I might come in 2nd Place,was on Chichagof. Had (5) Brownies in proximity,the furthest being 20yds away. (2) Boars to my left and a Sow and Twins to my right,post Rut(luckily).
I KNEW someone would find the Satin Nickle BHP in my mitts emptied,but really didn't know what the Final Score was gonna read.(grin)
An extry mag(which I had on me at the time),wasn't gonna "help" and I luckily managed to slip away,less pressing the trigger.
Woulda made a nice video.
Hint....................(grin)
Still not sure if “Chichagof” is Stickaneese for Chicago.
It's an island in pws know for brown bears and lots of them.. it's part of the ABC island chain. Admiralty, Baranof, Chichagof
Take off the velcro belt loop and it has a sewn in sleeve that lets you run your belt through it and carry any pistol magazine, double or single stack, horizontally and concealed with a T-shirt. Most useful mag carrier I've tried.
Thank you, I think I'll be taking your advice.
You're welcome. One bit of advice, I carry the mag kinda like a left side appendix carry and keep the base plate towards my buckle. With the buckle going towards the outside, the mag can work it's way out.
Once you get one in your hands, it'll become clear.
Yessir Doc, we as men have created a lot of responsibility, husbands, dads, buddies, possible caretakers for our aging parents, business owners [ie employees], a lot of people depend on use being there, so whether to a booked chitstorm or going to the damn post office, we need to get there and back. I don't know or care what another man carries, but hope they all do.
I see you are a man who takes his responsibilities seriously. I like the way you think.
depending on what handgun I'm carrying, I carry extra ammo. With the 642 Smith revolver, two speed strips. With the XDS, one or two extra magazines. With the Glock 19, just one extra.
comfort? fu-k comfort, stay alive, rest when you get back to the damn house.
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