If 17HMR is so great. Why is it that I can find it in stock everywhere. When it comes to all of the other Rimfire it is out of stock. I own one myself. Ninety percent of the time if I'm going to be taking hundred yard shots, I grab a 22WMR.

that's nice...

Then keep buying 22mag. Mic drop!

Because the WMR has a 40 year head start, thats why. This ain't brain surgery.

Well, yes and no.. . One other reason some have abandoned the .17 HMR around here is the fairly common issue of ammo's 'failure to fire'...

That's the first time I've ever heard that statement made.

I'm always on the lookout for the Hornady 20 grainers. That;s what my rifle shoots the best.

Never have had a failure to fire.

I shoot Hornady 20 & 17 grains, and never had a misfire....both XTP & VMAX. I'm an avid member of Rimfire Central and never heard 1 member state an ignition issue with any brand rifle or ammo.

Funny you say that because I helped a family member sight in his (inexpensive Savage purchased used) this weekend had one FTF (Hornady 17gr), even with a solid primer strike. Awesome little gun, very accurate and a joy to shoot but FTFs are definitely no bueno!

Cool story bro.

I go through about a 1000 rounds of Hornady 17 HMR during gopher season and in 5 years of use I have never had a failure to fire. I guess some of us are just lucky and others are unlucky.

drover

I've got an early Marlin 17V, and I've never had a misfire, ever, with it. I bought it new in 2002.

That's part of the reason I got rid of mine. Plus I had two squibs where the primer fired but the powder didn't ignite and left bullets lodged in the barrel. Was a big PITA as I was out hunting when this happened. Sold it shortly after and went back to my WMR. Never had that happen with the WMR in over 40 years and many thousands of rounds.

Pawn shop Salvage. $200

BSA Sweet 17. $50

Killing PD's @300 yds. Priceless.

Zero missfires, 1500 rounds & climbing.

A lot of times misfires are due to light primer strikes. Just FYI
I my self have never had a miss fire and think it’s a great little round and on Prairedogs and the like

I keep toying with the idea of getting one, probably a barrel for my Contender or CZ, but it has limited utility for me; too 'splosive for small game and marginal for coyotes. $200 or $300 will buy a lot of components for other rifles that can do the same tricks with handloads. Maybe when I get really old, one would be fun at the range.

Ammo is in stock because it is $10-$15 per 50. Not $2-$3 for 22lr. Is it worth it. For me yes. The HMR picks up where a 22lr leaves off making shots from 100 to 200yds very doable and still sounds like a rimfire if there are other people or houses in the area.

Try the 17 WSM for added range and explosive fun...Price is about the same on line for 17 HMR ammo

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In my estimation the 17 HMR is a Western cartridge for the reasons you give, it is a perfect ground squirrel cartridge as it fills the gap from 100 yds to 150 yds where a 22 LR isn't enough carridge and the 20 and 22 caliber centerfires are too much. I don't think much of it as a PD cartridge, while it will kill them it isn't devastating enough to give instant kills like the centerfires and I do not like seeing any animal suffer - even PD's.

drover

I cain't speak to Dog Schit rifles,or the woes that DUMB Fhuqks suffer...but the Hummer is certainly ULTRA Reliable,from an ammo standpoint. That whether in my Anschutz 54,Custom Ruger 77 wearing a LW spout or my Garrow Krunchentickers. Hint.












Hint................

I friggin LOVE mine. I’ve got the laminate Ruger SS 18” barrel with a plain old 6x SS on top. It’s not super high end but man does it shoot and it is a blast.

And yeah, AE ammo is about 10-11 bucks a box at the PX. Feels darned near free compared to most of the other crap I shoot.

That’s cool! I have the same rifle, but walnut - Love it!

I found another Ruger 17/77 WSM with a 20” sporter/pencil tube for cheap. It shot like a blind woman with palsy was pulling the trigger.

I bought a $189 dollar stock from Boyd’s then shipped the entire shît show to Clark Customs to rebarrel and align all mechanics to proper feeding tolerances.

Should be a nail hole maker at 100 yards.

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I've never heard of 17 Whizzum,or one of them there scopes. Hint.








Laughing!................

BS and Beav, you two ever shot anything other than the AE 20’s. On a whim I just speed checked mine and this is what I came up with.

Those numbers look right to you all? The ES is pretty wide but it’s done pretty admirable out to 400 yards with the AE stuff.

No biggie either way, just wondering what you all see. It’s a blast just hammering thru ammo and not worrying too much about picking it up!



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Redneck: I know at least 50 (fifty!) avid 17 HMR users and nary a one has abandoned ship (so to say!) due to "fail to fire" issues!
And that number does NOT include myself who was one of the very first 17 HMR buyers/users/advocates.
I eagerly and earnestly advocate the useage and purchase of 17 HMR Rifles/pistols!
Long live the 17 HMR.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

No FTF issues on my end. I only have one and it is disgustingly accurate. Savage heavy barrel.

I’ve never had a FTF with any of my HMR’s.

'Retzs,

I shoot it all and then some. Your ES is over DOUBLE,of what I've seen/shot. Hint.






Just sayin'.

Hint................

Throwin it in the creek don't kill chit, multiple shots, proper shooter lubrication & steering kills chit. Hint......
Trigger time & finesse paramont. High dollar wares don't count. Hint.......

BS, what do you think is causing it? Bad lot of ammo? I thought it was sorta high, but I have 0 to go off of beyond what the Magnetospeed tells me. Think the barrel needs more rounds through it? I know Ruger CF's are sorta rougher than a dirt road when they are new and do better as the round count goes up.

I am all ears.

Beretzs,

I’ve never chrony my 17 rim fires. With that said, I only shoot AE 20 grainers as they have shown to be the most accurate out of my Ruger 17/77.

Here’s a link to a page that say's 3000 FPS is possible, per the AE box...Grins 🙄😎

https://www.budsgunshop.com/mobile/product/97559/redirect

Ber,

If you ever kill your barrel, I would highly recommend trying Clark Custom for doing the rework.

Like Stick, I found my way into a used Clark custom in 17 HMR. It shoots every bit as good as my Cooper HMR but at a fraction of the cost.

Current estimate to take my Ruger 17/77 action, screw on a new blued, fluted varmint barrel, and provide their accuracy package which is basically removing machinery burrs to slick the action, head space, spring the trigger to 2lbs and hog out the stock for fit and finish....$567.00 plus shipping it home.

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'Retzs,

How's your ACTUAL come-ups? Is your Chronograph accurate? Hint.

I tend to believe boolits,quite a bit.(grin) I trust the scope cited. I've familiarity with said rifle too. I'm not a Magneto Guy,as all folks I know who've tried same,call for like reason(s).(grin) Hint

Regarding Rimfires,I do pay heed to Lot nomenclature and not all are the same. I cain't speak to your's,but have a grip on what I gun and there are Favorites. To be fair,I've NEVER seen anything resembling your ES and that through a goodly sized herd of rifles and more than a "bit" of ammo,on the same fhuqking day(s). Hint.

Lotsa reasons,that I largely QUIT chronographs,all fhuqking together.

Hint..................



DUMBO,

I enjoy that you "think",you are doing "good" with that piece of fhuqking schit...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

As an aside,what's a "paramont"? Hint LAUGHING!

You poor poor(Literally) RETARDED DUMB Fhuqk. Hint. Laughing!

Bless your heart,for doing your BEST,with what INCREDIBLY fhuqking little you "have" to "work" with.

Hint.

Laughing!...................

Beav, good info. I am not a rimfire beast like some but I do enjoy hammering rounds thru them now and again, so I could see the Clark deal being pretty cool.

BS, with CF stuff the MS has been pretty fair to me. No worries either way. I shot it out to 400 a few times but I had to add some to get in center. Makes sense now that I see I’m about 100 FPS shy of what I put in the program.

I’ll shoot thru what I’ve got and buy up another lot of the AE. It’s been accurate so I’ll keep jamming thru it.

Thanks fellas. Appreciate it. I’ll run it out again this coming week and see if I can show you what it does on paper or steel at 400 and you two can left me know if I am missing out on a pile of accuracy or in the ballpark.

Paramont is paramount without the "u", as in trying to leave u out of it. But we just gotta poke the bear at times. He's fun.

That poor old Salvage has kilt more stuff than all the plagues put together. Unbelievable to the gun snobs what a country boy can perform with simple wares, kinda the Indian, not the arrow thing.

DUMBO,

The ONLY things you "shoot",are your mouth and Imagination...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart,you poor poor(literally) Drooling DUMB Fhuqk.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..............

Gee, was hoping for a witty or relevant comeback rather than your typical canned answer. Boring.

Sight picture, trigger. Hint.... headstamps, brands, & multiples got nothin to do with it.

Am puzzled to read some of this. Have owned a .17 HMR since 2002, and never experienced FTF, while using a bunch of different ammo. My rifle's very first 3-shot group at 100 yards measured .24 inch, and just about any ammo will do .5 to 75 for 5-shot groups, Always stock up when I find a good deal, normally paying $10 or less per brick. Have a wide "variety," but most is made by CCI, no matter the brand name.

I do find the .17 HMR very useful on prairie dogs, especially for the initial shooting of a town, due to the low report compared to centerfires--which allows shooting for considerably longer before they get spooked. Usually shoot it until all the dogs within 150-200 yards (depending on the wind) have either been killed or spooked--mostly the former. Then switch to a centerfire. But very early on learned that plastic-tipped bullets are far more effective on small varmints than hollow-points. Have run into a number of people who think the .17 HMR isn't very effective--who turned out to be using hollow-points.

Big Stick, I have a question for you. You say you used to live in Kodiak. I believe you. What I want to know is why I never saw you at one of our shooting matches. We have had NRA approved HP Rifle Matches, NRA approved silhouette matches, bowling pin matches, NRA 3 position smallbore rifle matches. NRA approved pistol matches. Charging bear matches. For years we shot NRA approved HP Rifle matches 4 or 5 times every month for the whole summer. I could go on. I never saw you. Is it because you feel that you won't do as good as you think you will in an actual match? I know that the first time you go to a match it is pretty scary but I think that you should be able to handle it.

What's up?

Where are the 17 WSM’s? I found a Ruger on Gunbroker but it’s priced at $1,800 or so...
Ruger & Savage offer them. Does anyone else?

Well, good for them... I will say though, the most problems I ran into with customer's rifles were in the earlier years of the .17HMR ammo.. Two were from Savage rifles - and the FTF rounds they brought in with the rifles showed properly deep firing pin strikes. I know one of the guys sent his rifle back to Savage - and when he got it back he immediately traded it for something that was NOT in .17HMR.. Other customers had similar issues - but again that was relatively early in the history of that round..

Maybe now that's been mostly taken care of.. Which is a good thing, IMHO..

DUMBO,

Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,while you "get' to read about it...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The Goat Fhuqked Dog Schit "platform" you proffer,is sooooooo fhuqking HILARIOUS,it's a shame that you cain't grasp the magnitude of the Stupidity. Hint. LAUGHING!

Ammo VERY much plays a role,not all rifles are equal,nor are mounting systems and optics,but I enjoy the fhuqking HILARITY of your "thinking" you've got a First Fhuqking Clue and have it "going on" with your Brokedick Dog Schit. Hint. Laughing!

Bless your heart for TRYING though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..............




'Sig,

I'm fairly certain there was a Franklin Krunchenticker poignantly illustrated in this Thread,along with a JARD(both of which are fhuqking HAMMERS). Straight blowback is purty Sporty,at said operating pressures and locking lugs are soothin',in conjunction with da' Gas System. HINT.




Hunnert yards with Franklin. Hint.





Hunnert yards with JARD. hint.



Ruger would kill it,if they went S/S RAR in Whizzum and Hornet both. Mags are there and PROVEN. Flipside bein',on the above Krunchentickers,mags are of course Proprietary(though exceedingly WELL made),but $100+ a pop. Midway just had "used" 10/22 mags in 22LR and Hummer for under $10 a pop and I did "OK" there,despite having 50+ of the fhuqking things prior to.(grin) Hint.

RimX mused doing a 17 WSM and if that transpires,I'm certainly in. Vudoo is doing a Hummer and dat is somewhat tempting,but with an Annie 54 1717D HB(chopped to 20") setting in the wings,along with the Garrow's,Custom 77/22's etc,that itch ain't as great for me. Hint.

The 77/22 Whizzums shoot like a bastard.

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Hell yeah! Those suckers shoot buddy! I dig them.

Getting back to the op: Heck yeah, lots of 17 HMR and no 22 WMR. Just like last time the hoarders raided the ammo supplies.

My takeaway was to buy more 22 WMR and also get a 17 HMR as well as a 22 Hornet and 17 Hornet. Can't be too prepared.

Thanks Stick. Much appreciated.

-Because they make so much of it
-Because you usually need one shot per pest
-Because usually there are no misfires

Probably less than 1% 17HMR demand as compared to 22LR to feed.

Supply and demand!

g

No doubt...But, if you want to turn a small creature into halves at 150 yards, a 17 HMR or 17 WSM will make it happen.

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I use mine as a garden varmint gun and a raccoon shooter off the dumpster, think I have said this before. Took it to Wyoming last year and found it a nice midrange gun but much past 150 yards the wind is really something to tackle. Seemed pretty deadly to me on Prairie dogs and plenty accurate enough for head shooting rabbits. I haven't "abandoned" it yet but for hunting the WMA's around my area where feral hogs are a target of opportunity I like the 22 mag better. I shot a big raccoon off the dumpster a week or so ago with the 17 HMR and he ran off a hundred yards or so in the dark. Next day I found him with a quartet of black headed buzzards waiting on him to tenderize a bit more. I like that there isn't much bullet left after it hits the ground or anything for that matter.

I’ve found the 17 hmr to be an accurate round that is more than capable for head shots with my cz452. I’ve shot coyotes and coons. It is a hammer on coons. Never had one go past 10 feet after being shot in the body. Coyotes maybe 25 yards with a rib shot. It has a an overlooked round in my opinion. I much appreciate it. Midway was selling Remington premier ammo for around $7 per 50 not that long ago. I have all I need for quite sometime.

Crappie Killer: I am in my 18th year with the 17 HMR and praise it every chance I get.
I also have killed Raccoon and Coyote (three yotes so far with the wonderful 17 HMR - all one shot kills and all at/around 100 yards distant!).
The 17 HMR is not my first choice for Coyoting but when they appear and that is all I have in hand that is what I use!
I have also kill't many Badgers, Rock Chucks, Prairie Dogs, Ground Squirrels, feral cats, Jack Rabbits, Fox and all manner of small game, Grouse and a couple of Wild Turkeys with my 17 HMR's.
Large badgers are especially tough creatures to render still with rimfires but the 17 HMR does an EXCELLENT job on these tough to kill critters. I can't explain why - I think it has something to do with high velocity and high bullet rotation?
Accuracy with my 17 HMR Rifles and one pistol (S&W Model 647) is VERY commendable.
Yeah... the 17 HMR is indisputably "GREAT"!
Long live the 17 HMR
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I agree with VG although I have not taken the species with mine he has with his.. I love it...

.22 LR is much cheaper of course.

I use 17HMR for all my varmint hunting since I bought my Anschutz 1717D back in the early 2000s. I could use shorter range guns, but why? I already lug enough stuff around.

I think the FTF “issue” is 😄. What are you shooting, dangerous game! If you do ever get a FTF, cycle the bolt and TA-da!

This ain’t brain surgery....

I just picked up my first 17HMR, a used, like new, Ruger American with the different comb inserts and a bunch of assorted ammo. Couple buddies have 17HMR's and really like them, I've never heard them say a bad thing about it. So when this became available I grabbed it up! It has a cheaper Bushnell scope on it that the previous owner mounted with the objective sitting on the rear site, no idea on its accuracy like that, but maybe that contributed to him selling it. I'll either drift the rear site out or get higher rings. Anyway, looking forward to sending some downrange.

If you think it's fun NOW, try putting a Burris FFII with the Ballistic Plex reticle on it. As luck would have it, the hash marks on the reticle are within an inch or so of the bullet impact all the way to 250 yards, and within 2 inches at 300. Makes shooting at distance a breeze (if the breeze isn't too strong, anyway). I did that when I got my HMR when the ammo was still hard to find. It made prairie dog shooting awfully easy.................

'Sorry to hear about your FTF troubles, thankfully that is not a problem that I've had with any cartridge that I can recall.

I got my first 17 HMR in 2004 and was more than pleasantly surprised how easy it was to shoot MOA or better groups with it. Several people at the range used it to shoot their very first MOA or better groups and that led many of them to buy a rifle in 17 HMR for themselves. If I lived where there were more colony varmints I'm sure that I'd use the 17 HMR more and the 17HM2 less.

I shoot the .22 MAG quite a bit and think that it is a more useful cartridge than many give it credit for. In general, I have found the .22 MAG to be a better, more reliable, killer on animals over 5 lbs. than the 17 HMR. For example, I use a Remington 597 for calling predators, mostly 'cats, in heavy cover where ranges are short, something that I wouldn't feel comfortable doing with a rifle chambered in 17 HMR and its more fragile bullets.

Probably not such a funny deal with a bullet stuck in the bore.

That was my exact experience, hollow points. I had an Anschutz 17 HMR, and shot lots of PDs that were hit solid, but got down their hole. I was using 20 gr HP.