got the email flyer today that the CZ 452 22 lr is in stock at whittakers for $469, shipping included. clicked on the link and ...

SIKE. not in stock.

Same here, I was ready to buy. Tease!

One guy bought all we had! We didn’t expect that...

More on order though. CZ is doing a run of 1000. Supposedly, they “found” 1000 actions. I’m not buying it!

That same feller got deep enough pockets to clean you out of that 1000 too?

No idea, but I couldn’t get them here fast enough if he did!

I know zip about these.

Is the 452 really accurate?

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You might inform the dealer who bought all those 452s on the ladt batch(who is no doubt scaliping those guns later online) that he needs to sit the next batch out.- no more for him.

I am sure since the bastard can't scalp ARs or .22 rinfire anmo for inflated prices anymore he is now taking advantage of availability and pricing on your CZs to make a quick buck... Its probably some dickweasel like James Wayne down in TX..

Furthermore ,you should limit sales to two per customer. That should prevent a few greedy folks from cleaning you out. Even at that ,once word gets out I doubt 100 guns would last more than a week .

And before anyone protests- you did do the same thing with rimfire ammo during to the shortage.....

no offense ... but i think ppl believe theyve found a unicorn. and its just a horse

Damnit! I just bought another 455....I thought the "Last run" rifles that sell for a grand or more would be it for the 452's......Hb

Well...

First and foremost, I didn’t expect anybody to purchase these in any quantity. CZ offered me all 1000 at SHOT. I told them no specifically because they came to us with a “last run” about three times now. Upon returning, I found out the new cost on the rifles. They were around $100 more than our old purchase price. I declined a large order again once I found that out. If you guys remember correctly, our old price was $369. Then they started messing with cost and things went up a tad. Now we have to price these rifles at $469 to maintain the same margin.

Limits in the store or on the phone were much easier to accomplish before the POS system or the eCommerce website. It’s doable, but the limits are managed on an order by order basis and there is a cost associated with it. We evaluate the availability of the item, then decide if the additional cost is viable to implement eCommerce limits.

In this situation, it’s not worth it. Have your dealer contact Bill Hicks (distributor). They bit on the big order. Their cost from CZ was the same as ours, so they will be a little more expensive. They may be out and/or low by now, but more are scheduled to ship within 30 days.

Yes. Based on my experience with two of them I can benchrest shoot .3 and .2 five shot groups at 50 yard on a regular basis. As with any .22 you need to find the ammo your rifle prefers. SK Std Plus works best in mine.

The folks at Rimfire Central are obsessed with them and tend to be not so thrilled with the newer 455 line. Sure the $1k plus guns from other brands do shoot better but at a stiff price.

The trigger does suck but the intallation of the Yo Dave kit fixed that.

I understand Derrick..

CZ could have avoided all of the drama over the last 6 or 7 years if they had simply NOT replaced the m452 with the m455 but continued to make runs of both models.

I think that world wide, the m455 has not been recieved as well as they thought it would be.. I know the Australians were pissed about the discontinuance of the m452. Also, most US shooters do not need or want an interchangeable barrel system bolt gun and loved the quality and performance of the old m452.

If CZ had learned a bit from Winchester's mistake in 1964 ,they would not have announced the discontuance of the m452.

From what I have seen there were several "last goodbye" commemorate versions of the CZ m452 now on the world market . In the USA -they are marked "Grande Finale". In Canada ,they are marked "Farewell"..It could be CZ made a run of say 5,000 or more m452 .22LR actions a few tears ago for those commemoratives and at $1,000 they simply have not sold well . Maybe the entire runs have not been conpleted....It could be they have actions left over due to poor sales of those planned runs?

All I know as a buyer at this point in time, CZ looks like "the boy crying wolf " with all of this " last of the m452s - no really" nonsense.

I think in typical corporate fashion ,they made a mistake dropping the m452 and just cannot admit it to themselves.

Just got an email from Buds, they have some 452 Americans for $487 / 473 cash. emails said they had 387 left in stock

Bud's 452

i wish the remington 504 had worked out better ...

i was wondering if they were gonna get some

Wow ... that's what I paid for my 453 American a couple years ago, when they had a "last" run.

How is the wood on most of the 452s?

Well, the recent CZ Americans - from.about 2010 onward - are stocked with American black walnut. The quality is about like that of a Ruger m77 or Hawkeye. Not fancy wood ,but some grain and color and all heartwood. My 2016 American is a handsome looking rifle and fits right in with my older Winchesters, Brownings etc.

They are just about the nicest walnut stocks of any rifle for under $500 these days...

good. im not a huge fan of the stock contouring, you can tell they dont spend extra time on it. just a little clubby. not bad for the price but, as i mentioned earlier, its not a unicorn.

I am pretty sure, all told, I was in well over $500 for my "last chance" 453 American 22LR. I would not sell it for twice that. But, point well taken, CZ prices going up. I got my 453 and can sit back and watch the 452 situation. I would look for a 452 22mag if they offered that. I dont expect it. I am sure not buying any 455 anything. if I had nothing, I might. I am sure that is the CZ marketing gamble.

Some people are distressed over the pricing of these 452. They are about $100 more than comparable 455. The whole 455 product line is simplified (ie interchangeable mix and match) and the manufacturing of the 455 itself is also simplified. The 452 american has a nicer blue and polish than the 455 american. A 20% price difference seems logical to me.

Pricing is not just based on manf cost. It is based on the company name & reputation and customer demand. The price of a Browning or new Colt is not simply cost to build with a % markup formula. The customer is paying a premium for the brand.

I remember when i first saw CZ products. The prices were stupid cheap. The iron curtain had fell and the check republic was rebuilding an economy after decades of communist exploitation. Well, they are back. The workers get an honest days pay. Assumption. The CZ firearms command a premium well beyond break even. I expect the company is making a very good profit.

I have one of the 452s (2016 models), and it's by far the best shooting .22 rifle I have. The wood is okay, it looks like they stole the blanks off Ruger's woodpile, but more importantly, it shoots well. With good ammo, it's not rare to shoot under a .5" at 50 yards.

I had one of the very early 455s, and it was a serious disappointment. I tried it with all three chamberings, and it wasn't anything close to this 452. Last year, I bought a later (C-prefix) 455 Scout that shoots "almost" as well as the 452, but the key word there is "almost", it's not quite there, but it IS a lot handier for hanging out a truck window. The Scout outshoots an RAR Predator .22LR I have, it's a keeper.

The newest 455s are coming along quite well, I think, but based on those three CZs, I'd still pick the 452, given the choice. I wouldn't be scared of a new 455, though, they are doing better now.

I like that little Ruger, too, but they have a very long ways to go, to catch up with the CZs.

I have always heard from their introduction years ago, that the m455 rifles as they come from the box have not been as consistently accurate from rifle to rifle as the m452s..

Some folks have speculated that CZ has lowered their barrel quality.I fnd that a bit hard to believe ,since they have bern hammer forged from the start and they have always prided themselves on their barrel quality and bore/chamber specs.

I am beginning to think that just as Ruger has found out ,building a rifle with a non.threaded,removeable barrel system
can lead to accuracy problems. When you actually look at the set screw attachment system on the CZ m455s, it looks even less robust and repeatable than even the system Rugers uses .

I think with some of the poor shooting m455s ,that might be the source of their problems.

The 452 American, not all 452, come with a nice polish and blue with walnut stock. The stocks are or were like a lottery, some real winners. The 455 American may have the same wood. The 455 American is not as well polished and blued. Anyone who does not understand need only visit a gun shop that has a 452 left hand model on display next to a 455 right hand gun.

The polish and blue is real money and the typical American consumer is not, in my opinion, willing to pay for that. This is exactly same for old model Smith & Wesson and the new guns today. Even $2400 Sako has a matt/satin cheapo finish. People buy that crap, so; it makes sense.

The 452 had several barrel lug and receiver bolt patterns so that a stock from a lux or trainer would not interchange with an American and even a 22LR varmint stock is not the same as a 22mag varmint stock. The 455 standardized the stocks. IMHO generally a good idea to standardize, good for CZ. But; the fullstock had a special barrel lug attachment which was very accurate on the 452. The 455 does not and it suffers for that change. The bolt was simplified, the smooth feeding guide lug removed. Not good. The barrels are a slip fit, obviously not as rigid as being threaded on.

For accuracy, in theory, my theory, the 452 (and 453) shpould be more accurate because the gun is more rigid and the attachment screws are optimized for the barrel & stock configuration. In practice, cz, like most others, has the occasional bad chamber, bad crown or rough bore. The 455 is easier to correct with a new barrel. Watch the fit and headspace. For the $$$ involved I generally prefer to dump a lemon and move on, rather than re-barrel. I would put that up charge toward an Anschutz. For those who like to tinker and build up a gun the 455 is a great option.

The grub screws that hold the barrel in place on the 455 are all but glued into place on the Scout I have, you can't budge them, and it shoots all but as well as the 452. Proved that today, in fact. I took both CZs to the range, along with my RARs, and there was no doubt that the CZs were "on" today. I couldn't get any satisfaction at all from the Rugers, but both CZs made me very happy.

Their web feed is linked to Hicks inventory. They’ll direct fulfill the guns.

Any of your local shops should be able to call Hicks and get you one.

Kinda figured Bud's and Bill Hicks were the same inventory.. Still SMH.

I had the opportunity to take all 1000, but it just didn’t feel right. Lots of risk financially and ethically.

The last time they did a big run we took them all. We were selling the rifles for $369.99. When I was offered the rifles earlier this year, the cost had gone up $100 per rifle. They told me they found 1000 actions and this would be the last run. This was the third time I’d been told — this is it, no more after these — and we’ve communicated that message to our customer base each time.

I have no regrets passing on the rifles. I couldn’t tell the “last time” story again while jacking the rifles up $100. Keep in mind they have no upgrades, same wood and they “found” the actions. Makes me wonder how much they’ll cost on the next last run of 452’s?

Hell, I'd be happy to find a CZ-452 stock! CZ store has been out for the past couple years. 🙁

So, I should not jump on this CZ deal?

Hard to say. Seems like CZ is manipulating supply of the 452s. We'll soon see if there will be a demand at the higher price. I know if I had purchased a CZ-452 GRAND FINALE I would be a pissed off Cracker right now! 😁

I almost did that....just about bought a "grand finale" rifle.

Does not seem like too bad a price listed above.

Seems like the 77-22 was more money before they canceled it.

Like to see CZ own up to screwing the pooch and return makinng the 452 on a regular basis. The sumbitches could not stand so much capitalist free market success.

Same here. Mine shoots the Browning BPR ammo like nobody's business. As for the stock trigger, I think it's pretty good compared to my Ruger 10/22. That thing is awful. lol

Good thing for trigger kits!

Rooster: Take the trigger group out of that 10/22 and send it to Brimstone Gunsmithing for their Tier 3 treatment. For $38 bucks mine came back in a week at 2.5# and no creep. Then get "Beartooth Bullets Technical Guide" and read up on firelapping 22 rimfire barrels. 25 rounds of fire lapping and you would be amazed.

+1, Brimstone does a great job on 10/22 triggers.

theyre baaaaaaaack .....

Let me guess.....you've never owned a 452.

own a 452 and a 455 ‘merican. used to own a 455 tacticool w the fat barrel. i should have kept the tacticool, it was the most accurate of the 3. so many headshot squirrels with that rifle ... in fact, that might be the ONLY gun ive ever had sellers remorse over.