Did we already have the discussion about which one to stockpile, and advantages to each?

Can't imagine it's worth discussing.

Split the difference and go with the 17HM2?

Flatter trajectory than the .22 LR and cheaper to shoot than the 17 HMR.

Depends on the balance of your uses. If you're primarily plinking, training young shooters, etc, I'd go with .22LR. If you're using it as an alternative to a centerfire for varmint / pest control, I'd go with .17 HMR. Nothing wrong with having both!!

The answer is no-brainer IMO - 22 LR.

17 HMR in the real world only gives about 50 more yards of effective killimg power on ground squirrels which seems to be its primary use.

17 HMR on sale costs around $10.00 per box but low-end match grade 22 LR can be bought for half that price and plinking grade can be found at around $2.00 per box.

Try burning through 500 rounds of 17 HMR in an afternoon and you are out somewhere around $100.00 but 500 rounds of 22 LR only costs around $25.00.

The 22 LR has been around well over 100 years - the 17 HMR considerably less.

drover

What drover said..

+1

To add to drover’s comments you can run a 22LR subsonic with a suppressor.

22 LR.........cost to shoot is a fraction of the 17 HMR

4 cents a rd compared to 22 cents.....

$180/5K rd case shipped

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/agu...ted-lead-round-nose-1b222328-p-3436.aspx

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/hor...17-grain-hornady-v-max-83170-p-3922.aspx

For the full spectrum of shooting, from plinking to World Class competitive shooting, the .22 LR is a clear winner. A winner for low priced plinking ammo and a winner for high priced competition grade ammo.

The moribund 17HM2 is the best tree squirrel cartridge that I've ever used, but tree squirrel hunting is a niche market that tends to be older and less inclined to try new things. But, as was recently pointed out to me, I have more free time and discretionary income than most guys my age, so I have the time and $$ to try new things when the mood moves me.

The 17HMR has a clear advantage in terms of a flatter trajectory and more fragile bullets than the .22 LR, making it easier to hit your intended target out beyond 100 yards for all but the most dedicated of rimfire shooters. The first ever MOA capable new, just out of the box, rifle that I've owned was a Savage 93R17BVSS that I bought in 2004. I have found that poor shooting rifles chambered in 17HMR and 17HM2 are much less common than good shooting rifles chambered for those two cartridges. But, like most rimfires, they are often ammo sensitive and will produce noticeably better or worse accuracy with different ammo that, on the surface, seems virtually identical in all aspects. 17HM2 shooters almost universally mourn the loss of Eley ammo, as it has been to date the most accurate of all brands tested.

The couple of times that I've ever burned though 500 rounds of 17HMR ammo was on a pdog and gsquirrel shoot on the Rosebud Reservation in SD. I don't live in prime pdog or gsquirrel country, so burning through high volumes of any ammo, other than by the AK/AR guys at the range, is the rare exception to the norm around here.

PSA daily deal

$14 per 300 pk CCI Mini mag

buy 5 & they pay shipping........didn't see that 2-3 yrs ago

https://palmettostatearmory.com/cci...ocity-lead-hollow-point-300rds-0962.html

David Walter: Pros and cons for both cartridges - but they are minor.
The 17 HMR, beyond any doubt, far outperforms the 22 L.R. in all regards from trajectory to velocity to wind bucking to lethality to accuracy at long ranges to safety afield and more.
The 22 L.R. is cheaper to shoot and does a lot of things adequately - none of which compares to the aforementioned 17 HMR cartridge.
I own many dozens of pistols and Rifles in 22 L.R. and won't be without them the rest of my life!
I also own four Rifles and one pistol in 17 HMR and won't be without them the rest of my life!
There is no "OR", in my shooting life, between the 17 HMR and the 22 L.R.
My advice to you is obtain some of each and enjoy them both.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I think that's the way forward. I have a 17 HMR right now, but no 22 LR rifle.

David, you NEED a .22lr. Plenty around at good prices and decent ammo is so abundant and cheap it's ridiculous.

Doesn't everybody NEED at least one personalized Ruger 10/22?

For under $500 you could get a 10/22 with a modular copper mica stock from CDNN for $219, a replacement high comb stock module for around $20 on eBay, a replacement BX trigger for around $55, and a replacement barrel from Green Mountain for around $200.

WTF is wrong with you?

If I'm gonna spend a quarter to shoot something with a rifle, I'm using a centerfire, usually.

Thanks! 3,000 rounds for $140 was too good to pass up...

I made a snag as well... great price...

better deal today...........

3K rds CCI for $120 shipped



https://palmettostatearmory.com/cci-ar-tactical-22lr-40gr-copper-plated-round-nose-300rds-0956.html

Round nosed 22 LR are like nuns with nice curves. Just about useless for any intended purpose.

I shoot mostly SK Standard in my 22's for squirrel and other assorted small game. It is quite accurate and deadly when shot placement is made. It all depends on what you are expecting from a sub-sonic round nose. In late season, I switch to Eley sub-sonic HP's for the big Fox squirrels. I have a CZ452 in 17HMR that I have shot maybe a couple 100 times in the last year. It just sits there. In 22lr, I have 2 Anschutz, 2 Rem 541T, 2 CZ 452, a Kimber 82, a Rem 512, a Win 320, 2 Ruger 10/22 and a couple of 22 pistols. I shoot a brick every other week out of them. A good 22 would be the last firearm I would own if I had to get down to just one.

I'll usually take RN 22lr over hollow points.

Get both. A pair of Ruger American Rimfires would be a good start.

The 22LR is my choice for most any shooting/hunting with a rimfire rifle.

I reacquired my old 10/22 from my son, so I think I'm set for a while.

I think I'll order a few thousand stingers from PSA and call it good.

$62 from Midway free ship today too.....per 500 rds

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-rifle-32-grain-plated-lead-hollow-point

Nonsense.

Seriously. I read it on the internet.

I think you're missing the point of 22s by stocking only stingers &/or ignoring round nose.

Practice, fun, cheap

fun cheap practice

cheap practical fun

Good round nose 4 cents

Good 36 grn. HP, think mini mags, 5 cents

Stingers @ 12 cents? Yikes! getting close to HMR prices

And....... until the other day you didn't have a 22 rifle? How could you sleep at night? grin.

Stingers at $0.043 on sale at PSA.

My 10/22 was on loan.

Yeah that statement is Ringman level wrong.

Ok. I agree I was wrong. I don’t do a lot of target shooting with a 22 except to sight in for hunting.

Round nose can be very effective for hunting as well.

If you want some dynamite HP performance you should also look at the Browning/Winchester 40gr. HP's. I have found them to be more deadly on a wider variety of game and more reliable in a wider variety of 22LR chambers.

Stingers can be too much of a good thing.

Those hot Winchester H.P.s ~1450fps are terrific but too much for some guns.

I never had any issues with them.

Stingers on the other hand...

Got a link? All I can find listed there is .12 per round.

I haven't shot a lot of 22s for a while, but when I did hunt with them a lot stingers were my favorites, for critters up to and including deer size. This was from both an effectiveness on game and a reliability in all action types standpoint.

What issues have you had with them?

They've sucked for accuracy out of every .22 I've owned except an old Remington 512 that shot them OK.

Daily deal is $13.99/300 = $0.42/each

Failures to extract and not fit chambers.

Not the most accurate things either but certainly good enough for hunting.

I see Mini-Mags for that, but not Stingers.

Mini-Mags rule!

I like those AR jobbers too.

Odd. I never had that issue with a 10/22, a Marlin 39 and several random bolt guns.

I think chambers have been getting inadvertently tighter as years have gone by and the Stinger case doesn’t jive as a result.

Thanks.

I should shoot my .22s more often, but don't for some reason. I am sure I still have a few boxes of 2000-era stingers around here somewhere...

Maybe I'll get a bit more serious about cottontails this winter: not that I need stingers for them.

You guys that love Stingers are behind the times. Velocitors are where it's at for the hot stuff.

CCI premium ammo.
Surpasses Stingers at 50 yards. Look it up.
Energy levels at 100 yards are the same as standard velocity long rifle's at the muzzle and better than Stingers.
A full dimpled 40gr bullet vs 32gr for the Stinger.

The most important comparison: The Velocitors are very accurate in every .22 long rifle gun I have. Handguns and rifles ( which are more than a few).
I never had very good accuracy with Stingers in any gun. But I'm a stickler.

I have tried the new hot Winchester's and Browning's. They are not as good in the dozen guns I have shot them in.


But, to the OP, the .22 long rifle has no equal in versatility.

I'm a cheapskate when it comes to shooting my rimfires, within reason. I just can't bring myself to pay the price for 17 HMR ammo for the amount of rimfire shooting I do. I'm also a stickler for accuracy in my .22's and I tend to experiment with the middle range ammo in my rimfires to see what shoots best as each seems to have its own preference. I've found some very good ammo for decent prices for each rifle that shoots very well and most of it tends to be SV ammo, but the CCI Minimags are also very good, but not excellent, in most of my rimfires.
When it comes to game shooting like rabbits, sage rats, and the like I still prefer Winchester Power points even though the new crop made here aren't up to snuff with the Australian produced stuff of the past for accuracy.

Bob

I just went out and checked on my rimfire stash. In addition to several bricks of random Thunderbolt, American Eagle and Blazer ammo, I have two boxes of mini mags, plus some CeeBees and CB shorts! This things are so much fun to shoot mice and flies with!

No stingers or Velocitors, though I didn't look real hard. I'll dig a bit more this evening.

Get the .22. Given the ammo choices, you'll find that you can and will do more with it.

The .17HMR is a specialty cartridge. I have both. I bring the .17 out during fur season as it's very fur-friendly on foxes and similar sized furbearers using the CCI TNTs, but my .22s get more use.

Or you could pick up a Marlin 60 for under a hundred and out shoot the Ruger....even with thunder bolts....

Pretty sure you just typed a whole lot of nonsense on more than one level.

Marlin 60s and 795s are OK, but was born to tinker and they are too plebeian for my taste.

For fun and low cost .22lr. For multi purpose .22magnum

For fun and low cost .22lr. For multi purpose .22magnum.

Plus 1

$40.00 for 1600 rounds of Federal Black Box 22 LR delivered - Nuff Said !!

drover

The Hummer is a WICKED Bastard and easily outclasses the 22 Mag in Accuracy and Precision,as it's ammo is routinely fhuqking spectacular. Trouble is,it's always a herd of DUMB Fhuqks,with schit rigging and nary a first fhuqking clue,trying to comment upon same. Hint.

Hummer Terminal Affects,when launched from a Skookum platform(which aligns Accuracy/Precision),is crazy good. Have seen multiple Woofs frozen with a single poke from same(17gr 'Max),beyond the 100yd line. I only shoot the Hummer in a pair of Custom Garrow Krunchentickers(FF tubed,CMC Flatties,yada,yada),a Custom Clark barreled 77/22(LW spout,McMillan stock,RB trigger,yada,yada) and an Anschutz 54 1717D HB. All will shoot under a 1/2" at 100yds and the '54 is just plum fhuqking amazing. The JARD Krunchenticker is no slouch...but when talking that much chamber pressure,I want some form of locking lug,to keep things in battery. A pard had his Magnum Research Hummer cook outta battery and such things will immediately grab one's attention. Hint.

The Garrow taps gas and locks bearings in receiver,to ascertain battery lock up. Rather nice design,that is both simplistic and trouble free,showing great reliability and durability. Mike is good people.



I rather like the 17 Whizzum,but it pales to the Hummer,as viable platforms go. The Ruger 17/77's are sensational in said chambering(as well as Hummer),though I rather like my Franklin 17L Krunchenticker(FF tubed,CMC,yada,yada). The Franklin Whizzums are piston guns,for chamber pressure control.




The JARD 17 Whizzums/Hummers are straight blowback.




As 22LR's go,the Vudoo is simply KING. The last thing I want,is a "deal" on a piece of fhuqking schit and it's hilarious that Turd Polishers swoon schit ammo! Congratulations?!?



The 22LR behaves better at Long Range,as it transitions transonic more happily(if not started there to begin with). It trumps the Hummer in Long Range Wind Drift and Cross Eyed Drooling DUMB Fhuqks can't begin to fathom,gunning a 22LR to the 700yd line. The Vudoo is simply a MUST,if only because I have lotsa everything and it's easy for me to say. I'm hoping Paul offers same in both 17 Hummer and Whizzum,because I'd greedily add both to the larder.

Never been difficult to cypher,who shoots and who don't.

Hint.

Laughing!...................

The Hummer is a WICKED Bastard and easily outclasses the 22 Mag in Accuracy and Precision; quote from the dumbest of fuucks? Makes alot of sense... Haha

Also, a hummer will not out kill a 22 mag, anybody that claims it does, hasn't done much killin with either..... 17 aint a bad tweety bird rifle... Hint

What was the odds of a Brokedick Turd Polishing Pecker Pole Princess chiming in and TRYING to "talk" rifles,as she sets on the sideline rattlin' her pom-pom's? Congratulations?!? LAUGHING!

Offa the top of my head,I've only gunned the 22 WMR chambering in Ruger 77/22's(Custom and OEM),Ruger 10/22's(Custom and OEM),VQ Self Shuckers,Magnum Research Self Shuckers,an H&K Self Shucker,AMT Pistoles(Self Shuckers),Ruger Wheelguns,S&W Wheelguns,High Standard Wheelguns,Winchester 61's,Rossi 61's,Winchester 94/22's,Keltec Pistoles(Self Shuckers),Krico turnbolt,64 Annie's,54 Annie's,Contenders(Custom) and likely more than a few others(that's an understatement). Google it all. Hint.

BE SURE to correlate the platforms you are extolling in a critique,because NOTHING is fhuqking funnier than a DUMB Fhuqk trying! Hint. LAUGHING!

Pardon my having more Splendid rimfire wares in the backseat of my crummy,this very second,than you have or ever will "see" in your "life". Hint. LAUGHING!

Slow Mail Day yesterday,due weather and Holiday timing.

Cheer up,one can load K-Horn's in 'em too,so as to reap both the capacity increase and positive headspace. Google it all. Hint. Laughing!



Nice that the Grock shot to it's sights,along with more mainstays. Google it all. Hint. Laughing!



Only (1) new rifle arrived though and now you can say you've "seen" one of them too...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING!





Kiss,find pressure and rock on.



Better poke them pics in "your" album.

Bless your heart.

LAUGHING!......................

Big Stick, I am curious - you always jump into a conservation attacking other people and showing them the truth. Why don't you ever start a conversation showing us something you have done. Maybe start a thread about the best deer rifle, best scope, what ever.

Whoa lazy kchunt!!!! You went shopping again???? I buy tags instead of junk... hint


Can you explain the difference you cited, between accuracy and precision??? Haha



Oooops another tagged notched,

How many scopes do you have to buy to get a free set of steak knives?


Gimme Globals.....

I doubt that I barely have but a few hunnert scopes and am just shy of 600 blades.

Though I did gain more of each,when I cleaned out my crummy today...................(grin)

Target Sports USA

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/22-long-rifle-ammo-c-202.aspx#

I sniped a nute yesterday at close to 200 yards. No wind. T1x, .17 HMR.

No way I could have done that with a .22.





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