Or simply detest? You can only have one choice, so do some thinking. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

For me, it's simple. Everytime I think of the 30-30, it just pisses me off for some reason. It gets my vote.

.223 rem./5.56 nato

That's easy for me - it's the .243! It's too big for varmints and too small for deer. I don't give a rip what the 'experts' have to say. I owned 2 and I will NEVER own another <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

How in the world can a .30-30 get under anyone's skin <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> That caliber at least knows where it belongs and our forefathers sure got a lot of use out of it. I shot my first deer in 1959 with a .30-30. Of the 14 hunters on that outing, 12 carried .30-30s. That was in the North Woods a little South of Canada.

30-06, it's old dog.............................just kidding, I don't like 30-06 not that theres anything wrong with it. just the people whom own and brag it up as if it's the only thing to own. I like to be different sometimes.

Just a side note, venting is encouraged.

Any of the worthless RUM's,

30-06 here too. I don't know why but I have never owned one and never will. I have shot a few of them but could never own one.
Just my 2c.
Drop

.219 wasp, 218 bee, 6mmBR, 7.62x39, 22 magnum,

243 win for same reason lightfoot stated...............

I dont dislike any cartridge but I dont think I will ever have a use for any pistol cartridge in a rifle (44 rem mag rifle,44-40 rifle,38-40 rifle,357 rifle,ect, ect.) I like these cartridges in pistols and do own some but think putting them in a rifle is a waste of time.

Jamie

No contest! 243 Winchester! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
Hate the dang things .For a number of reasons....

Catnthehat

Any cartridge whose only claimed purpose is to duplicate an existing cartridge's performance on a half-ounce lighter or half-inch shorter platform.

Other than that, mebbe the 270 Win. or anything with a belt on it. Yep, the 30-06 is stodgy and too mundane for some, but it still kills stuff dead with boring regularity. Probably why I only own one now and seldom use it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Aha!!!
A chance to flame the old 7 MM Remington Magnum! I have had three of them, and currently own one, a Remington Classic, but will never own another when I dispose of this one in an honest manner.
Recen tly, it has come to light that the 7 Remington Magnum exhibits pressure swings ( a trait shared by the 243, by the way), so to keep the top of the pressure swings with safe limits, the 7 Rem Mag is loaded down to much slower velocities than when it was introduced.
In its current loadings and with hand loads prescribed by current loading manuals, the 7 Magnum has little advantage over the 270 or 280. However, the 7 Remington Magnum, at least in the rifles I have fired seems to have much more recoil than a 270 or 280.
I see no reason to put up with the larger, heavier cartridges, the heavier rifles that 7 Mags are normally chambered in or the increased recoil for a cartridge that is so marginally superior to non belted cartridges.

Royce

17RF, can't shoot it if there is any wind, can't reload it, ammo costs way too much.

huntin1

22 magnum is just about perfect for ground squirrel hunting.

Conrad

well for deer hunting (the deer hunting I do) I would take a 308 over a 30-06, actually I use a 7mm-08 instead, I want a lighter more compact rifle and still have somewhat low recoil and still have the killing power that is needed, and the 7mm-08 (or 308)fits the bill. if I need more power for bigger game or longer range, I will just use my magnum. I know so many people in real life that it starts and ends with the 30-06.................it's ok but boring

I don't care for belted magnum cartridges. I'm not against them. I hate that unneeded belt. It's a shame someone years ago didn't do away with that POS belt. I understand the bias against the 30-06. Anything that is used as a standard to measure against will catch flack. It's not a super cartridge but more a jack of several trades so it isn't the best at anything. BTW, I love mine! I do hate 7mm Rem mag owners telling me how their mag will out perform a 30-06. Yes on paper it does look better but these guys are talking inside 100 yards and I don't see their argument. 300 yards is my max range. I have a .243 now too. 20 years ago if you would have told me I'd own one to deer hunt with I would have laughed at you. I think it's a wonderful cartridge. I wouldn't use a .243 for a "Texas heart shot" but I wouldn't take one anyway. My son bought me a 7-08 recently. I'm sure I'll like it's performance too. I can't say I truly hate any cartridge. None have treated me wrong. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It's great to see that so many on this forum reflect my feelings about a number of cartridges. My least favorite is probably the .264 Win Mag.. I've owned two and neither were particularly accurate and very picky about loads. The 1st one gave sticky extraction with starting loads of H-4831. Both are history. I say Good Riddance!.



Of course, I don't care for the 7mm Mag any better. For my money, in equal bbl lengths, it doesn't have much on the .280. I do however own a 7mm STW.



For reasons already spoken, I don't much care for the .243 Win . Like a previous poster said, "Too big for a varmint rifle, and not big enough for deer"! I do have one tho'. A Low wall Browning, 1885. But as soon as I can get it to Al Siegrist, it's gonna be a .260. (Maybe even a .260 AI) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Ah!!! I feel much better, now! Let the flames begin! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

...The9.3Guy

Any Weatherby cartridge over .270.

Any of the PPC/BR type -- itty-bitty cartridges with excessively straight walls, made to be fired in single-shots strapped to a railroad tie.

Any 6.5 other than the 6.5x55 or POSSIBLY .260 Rem. -- have to give that one a dispensation since Finn Aagaard liked it.

.410 shotgun, but this is the rifle forum.

Without hesitation the 270win.It is larger than necessary for deer sized game yet on the small side for elk or moose.

7mm mag, just because everyone's mad about them in alberta.



not too keen on the 600 nitro express either.



or anything finn aagaard liked, but only because he has too many vowels in his name. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



come to think of it he's kind of one of my people so i take that back.



30/30 rocks!

You'll never find a .223, .270 Win. or .30/06 in my safe. Obviously, good cartridges all but E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y and their 9 cousins has one or more. I'd be bored to tears if forced to hunt with any of them. While I'm at it, you'll never catch me in the woods with a .308 WCF, .300 Win. Mag or 7mm Rem. Mag for that matter, for the same reasons but to a slightly lesser degree. I almost threw the .30/30 into that equation but if I found a pristine Savage 99 or Winchester 54 in "thutty-thutty" for a song I'd probably go home with it. The cartridge may be as common as dirt but you don't see it in those rifles every day of the week.

Anthing with "WSM", "SAUM", or "Ultra Magnum" in the title.

Any of the WSSM, just goofy.

Oh - yes, I forgot those too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Except for the 270 WSM. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Geez,



I own a few of the hated rifle cartridge listed so far. Let's see 223, 243(AI version), 30-30, 30/06 & 7RM. Own some others not listed so far 7-08, 7-08AI, 300WM, 338WM and a 350RM.



I really don't hate any cartridges as anything that flings a projectile interests me, but some are boring like the 22Mag (I own one of them too!)



MtnHtr

Mtn Hunter,

Well said.

If I had to pick one , I guess it would be the 257 Roberts. What's the point in that round anyway??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I`ll take the rifles off anyones hands that doesn`t care for the cartridge they`re chambered in, for a token price of course <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Cartridges are like sex, their all good, somes just better that others........................and the one you ain`t got is the one thats most interesting. At least till the honeymoons over.

This is kind of fun.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> 270 without a doubt....I'm tired of hearing how flat they shoot.....lots and lots of them is this area.....wonder why... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I don't detest any cartridge, but I personally have no real desire to own any cartridge smaller than .22 cal., nor any of the belted magnums (except possibly the .375 H&H, though I don't know why), nor anything that ends with RUM, SAUM, WSM, or WSSM. Also, I've never understood why the world needed a bullet .007 inch smaller in diameter than the 7mm. Was it just so that it wouldn't be mistaken for an elk cartridge? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Perhaps the military has finally found the niche for it in the 6.8mm. We'll see.

You .223, .243, and .270 bashers are CRAZY. For me, its the Ultra Mags.

9 mm. That cartridge screams 'pimp' everytime I see one.

Any .17 caliber, 7MM Rem. Mag, any Ultra Mag, any short mag. I am not a magnum owner but if I was, I'd bypass the 7 Mags and go straight to the .300 Winchester Mag. or possibly the .338 Mag. If I'm gonna take some heavy recoil, I'm gonna make it worth while.

270 win

I never have jumped on that bandwagon either.

Anything new foisted off on a gullible public by the commercial
machines and the gun mags since about 1965. They add nothing
I want or can't do as well or better with the "classic calibers".
Up the H&Hs!

1B

bearstalker
I will not own anything of a personal rifle that says WSM, WSSM, RSAUM, Ultra anything, or 17 caliber.
If I cant do it with a 257 Roberts, 30-06, and a 375 H&H, I probably have no business doing it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
That ought to get the ball rolling.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Charlie

243/6mm, i'm too lazy to track.. wssm & rum no reason for them to exist

For some reason the 7.5mm Schmidt-Rubin* has always made me mad every time I think about it. Other than that, I love them all.

MD

*But neck it down to .29 and tweak the shoulder angle, and it works wonders.

30-30......barf, never will bed down in my stable.

For all you WZZZM and RUM haters, I have one comment to make................................................................ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> (or in the words of Theresa Hienz Kerry "shove it" !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Of course, I mean that in the most sincere way. heheheheheheheheheheh <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Tony.

For me, anything that kicks more than a .30-'06. Other than that,

"Cartridges are like sex, their all good, somes just better that others"

Combo

Anything with the name Weatherby attached to it.....

For me its the 250/3000 and 257 Bob. I have owned both and shot critters with both. Whatever they can do the 25-06 can and will do a hole lot better, and faster and further and more accurately. I don't see anything saumie, 7.62x39 or 8mm in my future.
I'ts almost unamerican to not like the "ought six" guys.

Glad I got here late � lots of suggestions.

I like the .270, have owned three, currently have one. I�ve owned seven, no, eight, no � oh I forget � a bunch of .30-06�s. I just love that boring old phardt. Want a .338 Win. Mag but with a couple of .30-06�s on one end and three .375�s on the other, no point in splitting the difference. Oh, but this is about what we would refuse to own. Okay�

� Any .224 cartridge that�s NOT a .223 or .221 Fireball, although I might regress and get a third .22-250 some day.
� Any Weatherby cartridge.
� Anything based on the original 7X57 case. Great cartridges, excellent, useful, wonderful hunting cartridges, but just not short enough to be �short� and if you go long action might as well get something based off�n the �06 case. To me a 7mm-08 is a better 7X57, but that�s just me.
� Anything RUM.
� Anything WSSM � although remove one S and I might get a .30 WSM � but ONLY, ONLY because Winchester might someday in this century produce a left handed Featherweight and the bast*rds will only offer it in the WSM lineup. Freakin� jerks � don�t they know every left hander in the world, (well, at least one in Boise, ID) would be at the store before it opens waiting to buy a LH Featherweight in 7mm-08? Stupid bean counters!
� Any lever action big bore - .444, .45-70 � don�t mind the chamberings but those drop heeled lever action stocks whack my cheekbone worse than anything.
� Any bottle neck or belted cartridge over .375 H&H. A man�s got to know his limitations, and mine end at .375.
� Got no use for the .243 either although there is a .243 sitting in the closet � sold all the dies and bullets but just can�t bring myself to sell the rifle. Being an early nineties vintage M700 left handed short action may have something to do with that, however.
� Another 7mm Rem. Mag. Flat shooter, accurate, doesn�t kick much, just have no use for it that a .30-06 won�t cover here or a .270 or .300 Win. Mag won�t cover out there.
� Said I would never get another .44 Magnum but here I am with a new (to me) 4� Model 629 and just loving that thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
� 9mm Parabellum � why?
� .22 Magnum � only because I�ve never seen one accurate enough to do any good at it�s extended range.
� .17 Remington

Will probably think of more later�

I'll never go to Alaska to hunt. For big game, I'll never own anything smaller than .25 or over .30 or any magnum. Two exceptions, maybe, a 264mag, or 6.5SHAMU., but probably a 6.5x284 instead of above. capt david <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The 270 Win. It should not have been invented when we already had the 7mm. I think it was a marketing gimmick! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Then, any Weatherby / RUM type cartridge (excluding the SAUM's). I have no use for a big game cartridge that shoots faster than 3000 FPS.

I absolutely refuse to own a .577 T-Rex. I prefer my eyeballs in their sockets, not on the ground.

There are some cartridges that I don't like all that much but if a nice gun came along then I might buy it anyway.

There is a new Schuetzen replica for sale in a shop here. I think it's a Uberti. It has color case hardening etc. The thing is that it's chambered in .45 Colt! Now I like the .45 Colt in revolvers but in a Schuetzen?

Anything in 8mm. Dislike this one the most.

Anything in 25 caliber except for the 257 WSSM.

I'll take any of the new WSMs or SAUM's over any
270, 280, or 3006,

30-06 hands down. It is an excellent cartridge, but everybody and their dogs 50 yrs. old and up have one and so many articles have been written about it I gag everytime another one shows up. Being the military cartridge of WWII is probably the main reason for its popularity, but as several have stated many times, most any cartridge from .257 Roberts on up would have killed just as many of the enemy, if the bullet was placed correctly. There was no magic in the cartridge. It was a good reliable round with an excellent delivery system. Many other rounds would have done the same thing. You would naturally have a fondness for whatever you were shooting that saved your bacon and got you out of a dangerous situation.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> I'm sure he meant anything withOUT the Weatherby name on it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Anything with a belt that doesn't need one. That pretty much just leaves the original H&Hs.



WSM, WSSM, SAUM, RUM...none of them, please.



.204 Ruger, .243 Win., .280 Rem., .264 Win.Mag., 7mm Rem. Mag.



For the hunting I do, I'm pretty set and happy with my current stable: .223 Rem., .270 Win., .375 Win. I could probably get away with not buying another rifle for the rest of my life (Did I really just say that? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />).



RSY

.375 RUM in the 6 lb 12 oz. format listed on another thread here. I'm just thinking ouch.

You guys that don't like the .30-06 are a bunch of dang...

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DEMOCRATS!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

308 Winchester.

Jim,

Damn man, that is really hitting below the belt..........worst flame I have seen on 24hr !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

You'll be luck if Ricasso doesn't suspend your posting rights for that comment !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Tony.

Any caliber smaller than .224 and for all those that dislike
the 30-06 you might want to test the atmosphere where
you live I believe it might be a little short on oxygen. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

9 3GUY- You better hurry on up to Al's. I dropped off a 7 Rem Mag off a couple weeks ago to become a much needed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> .338 Win Mag. My .243 may follow soon to be turned into a 7-08, which I like better than the .243.

As far as a cartridge that I simply wouldn't own-- do the french have any of their own??? If so, I wouldn't own one.

I'll do without any Weatherby caliber or RUM's. Just can't see a reason for all the abuse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Anything with the letters "RUM" after it. jorge

Won't have any 8mm's .17, nor a .204. I don't see the need for any RUM's either. I do want a 375 H & H one day but my 338.06 project will be the biggest I have for now.

BTW, 7mm's rock!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

This has to be the most pointless topic I've seen yet.

And somehow, I felt the urge to post. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

grouseman

Grouse,

I think the boys of 24hr have an almost fatal case of GCTHSS (Getting Close To Hunting Season Syndrom).

Symptoms are : excessive sweating while posting on 24hr, fever, rash on the buttocks (from sitting in front of the computer too long), compulsive need for a new rifle with a pink swirly Micky stock, constant re-occuring thoughts of short action SUCKS rifles. There are others, but you get the jist.........

The outbreak will probably get worse over the coming months.

Highly contagious, even can be caught over the internet. I expect the Surgeon General to caution against excesive posting on hunting chatrooms such as 24hr and the Demo's to tax the crap out of such activity, so that the outbreak can be "contained". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Tony.

PS : BTW, I am a carrier of said affliction.

hicountry, well put <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Lord please make these remaining weeks before hunting season blow by quickly.

I can't really say I dislike any cartridge, with the possible exception of the .25 ACP, even though I've never owned or fired one. Unless one is given to me, I most certainly never will, as I see no real use for it.

Yes, I started with the "stodgy" old .30-06, and I will end with it. I can afford to buy other calibers, but the stodgy, boring, pedestrian, old '06 has served me too well to shack up with another cartridge. I really couldn't care less that it's 98 years old. It will be around until this country is thoroughly feminized and all guns are given up by generations yet to be born and totally sissified.

Being the understanding soul that I am, however, I can see how the .30-06 isn't everybody's favorite. There are a heck of a lot of good rounds out there, probably more than ever before, and I would never deign to tell someone that their favorite cartridge doesn't measure up to my favorite (although I might think it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />). What really matters, and I know this is cliche, is what they can do with it.
DAL

P.S. If I had it to do over again, I probably would have chosen a 7-08, a .223, and a .300WM as my all-around guns, but since I have the '06, it can cover most of the territory those calibers do.

P.P.S. If my signature line offends you, that's okay. Being offended never really hurt anyone in this country, even tree-hugging, anything-goes-unless-you-oppose-me, left-of-Stalin-and-Mao liberals. Oh sure, they throw hissy fits and claim injury, but the only real hurt they receive is through their nutty lifestyles.

Ditto!

BMT

.270 Win. Too many wearin' two sizes too small wrangler jeans with their chew can in the back pocket road hunting in the chevy trucks with the coors light bumper stickers, that couldnt shoot a 12 inch group at 100 yards to save their life morons around here for me to ever own one.

Oh, and .22 mag

anything in 6.5mm caliber

Talk about unamerican? I hate the damn .270. Bought one once 'cause it was cheap but never used it. Only choice was convert it or drown it, so its now a 338/06

270 win, just can't see why it's around...but it is....

Any cartridge invented since 1920. Every cartridge needed to hunt the world's game had already been created by then, and most are still around.

Anything with Weatherby stamped on the case head!

Always was dead-set aginst owning an -o6. Then about age 45 ....I got bored and bought one, just to see what all the fuss was about.
It's a do everything type of rifle. I've got loads that will put 3-125 gr., 3-150 gr., and 3-165 gr. into 1.75 for all 9 shots from the same scope setting.
After fiddling with the old 06, i got bored again, and picked up a Rem. LTR in 308. This rifle will put 5-168 gr. Sierras into 5/8"
Sometimes these boring old calibers can be fun to tinker with.
"bout the only caliber I've never wanted anything to do with is the 8MM.......Heck, I might get bored enough someday to try one of these!! Virgil B.

The 270Win.

Maybe because "The King Of The Dinks" toted one and bragged about it?......................(grin)

30-06 gets that vote for me. I just can't stand it.

Brian

7.62x39 in any format from any vendor. 8mm Lebel it looks goofy and it is French.

A .308
I had said I would never own a 270 until I read Mule Deer's article on the 26" E R Shaw barreled Rem 700. Now, it is on the list.

25 auto - what's the point - too weak for self defense - too expensive for plinking - not really all that accurate.

It's good points are hmmm let me think - hmmm still thinking - hmmm I'll get back to you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

22 mag a waste of time and money when you can have a 22 hornet.

Bullwnkl

New to the forum but this line of talk caught my eye indeed. The banter of not liking short mags, in any configuration got plenty of nods from me, as did some of the more explanative torches to the �06, as I happen to agree with the idea of loving something simply because of flag waiving and repeated performance and success, is just unacceptable. I as well read and nodded to some of the other comments about 7mm mags and the magazine writers primped .270�s.

Now with that acknowledged and said, I have to lay down my speal of what I think is the most over looked and under criticized chambering in the world gun owners closet. And that would be the standard .22 long rifle and its sick little cousins the shorts, hypers, cb�s and bb�s.

Now I admit I�ve fired a few of these horrid little liars in my time, and yea I�ve cracked a smile or twenty when I�ve seen those little holes drilled through paper, tin cans, cactus paddles, turtle heads, rabbits, rats, and just about any other item which found its way between my sites and passed the �are you willing to kill or destroy this� test. But that is no excuse for this little cartridge, nor any form of defense. This cartridge has been the bane of my shooting existence and I think it about time the truth be told and admitted.

Since the grand age of 5 with my father and his friends, standing on the edge of a stock tank, with a Star .22 semi-automatic pistol and who knows how many boxes of the dreaded .22 long rifle. My life has been spiraling around and out of control. A year later with my first real gun, a venerable savage 72 and its dreaded thirst and hunger to be constantly fed more and more shells, one by one to be pressed down its throat and sent into the targets of oblivion. To the fevered hungers of a Remington pump take-down and its even faster and more addictive appetite for the round, my life held only a few short years of not knowing its harsh influence.

It got worse in my early teens, the hunger and craving grew and grew, at first with only a desire for more feedings and more rounds sent down range, leading to the purchase of faster semi automatic means of feeding this round. Tell one day the true depth of its hold shown true, and I could no longer sustain my cravings and I tried my first tastes of real center fire power. A 6.5x55, which I sporterized, kept the hunger down for months, with still my constant use of the old constant .22 long rifle feeding me bits more each day. Leading me further into a life of unknown paths and certainties, traveling on my days off from on gun store to another, poking around in pawn shops for some new deal or bargain, looking always for that extra bit of power and powder, yet always finding my way back to the root of addiction and that little brass case with a single dent on the bottom, marking my use.

If the .22 long rifle was a political figure, or worse yet a lawyer, I know it would be easier to see and pick out from the crowd. There just couldn�t be a human figure which instilled so much upon so many, or had received so much attention from so many, for so long, and not have found itself some enemies. And yet here it is, the years float over it as if it wasn�t even aging. The perceptions and stories of it never seem to tarnish or cast any blame towards its image. The occasional grumble you hear directed towards it is quickly quelled and silenced, with any and all traces of its caster seeming to vanish as well. Now tell me that doesn�t have the ring of some black operations movie theme? And yet it seems almost the case does it not? So many being drawn in by its cheaper than possible promises, addicted to the smell of smoke and challenge of a few holes spaced as close together as possible, never whispering until it is too late, that its price and convenience is diminutive in comparison to its bigger brothers.

So short and sweet, its out there, I blame all of this addiction, with its purchases and trading, its back room dealings and scrimping and swapping, load manuals and constant tweaking; I blame it all on that little �door way round� the .22 Long Rifle, and its subtle seduction of me and so many others into the world of steel, wood, lead and powders.

Was at a gun club meeting one night years ago, when one of the guys started picking on an old coot that always carried a little 25ACP pistol on his belt. When the feller got pretty insulting about the thing and claimed it wouldn't even hurt a fly, I asked the old guy if I could have his pistol.

When he handed it to me, told the heckler to head off down the indoor 22 range and stand there, so I could start shooting at his forehead with it and to tell me when to quit. The old boy was amused, as were most of the others at the meeting, but the heckler saw no humor in the idea at all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Not much of a package, but likely still preferable to a sharp stick or a can of pepper spray, in a pinch.

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I will not own anything of a personal rifle that says WSM, WSSM, RSAUM, Ultra anything, or 17 caliber.

Pretty hard to say it much better than that for my money. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

7mm Rem Mag. Not fast enough for a smallbore and too small for game needing a "magnum."

.25 ACP is just about worthless.

bearstalker:
I refuse to own ANY smallbore, overbore artillery piece. That includes but isn't necessarily limited to the .264 Mag, 7mm Mag and 300 Win./Wthby. mags.
Bear in Fairbanks

What fun!...

Okay, my #1 most hated round is the 260 Remington. I just love the real deal, the 6.5x55mm.

Next, the 7mmRem Mag. Too popular and not a good cartridge for my area.

All RUM's, except the .338 version.

Boy, I feel better already! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

30 carbine. Not accurate enough or with enough range for a varmiter and not powerfull enough for anything bigger than jackrabbits.

BCR

NONE

Royce, the pressure swings you alluded to are one of the big reasons that i would not own the .243!

Dad did some extensive lab. testing when it was introduced, as did all the other members of Saami, and it was from there that that final Saami load was changed. Long story, suffice it to say there were pressure issues with some rifles!

A friend had a shop up here for a while and brought in a bunch of Privi partisan ammo. Cheap and very accurate if not a little dirty.

All calibers worked great in all rifles , EXCEPT the .243.

It would be stiff to open on lots of bolt guns, and forget about the pumps! Euopean ammo seems to be loaded a lot hotter than American stuff.

Catnthehat

9mm and 7mm Rem Mag.

The only rifle cartridge that gets me po'ed is the 7-30 Waters--just exactly why did we need this? It's like putting a spoiler on an econoline van.

As for pistol cartridges, the .380 doesn't make any sense to me--just a 9mm para with even less juice...

I shouldn't say any cartridge, because I love to experiment, but here's a few I can't find much use for.

1) .264 Win Mag

2) .22 Hornet (too finicky)

3) .22 mag

4) anything Weatherby

5) anything SAUM

6) 6.5 Rem Mag

7) Most of the big mags,above 300 Win Mag, as I have nothing to hunt with them.

8) 25 ACP

9) 32 auto

10) 357 & 30 Herrett

11) 256 Win Mag

This is way to easy, 270 Winchester, hate the damn thing.
Have no use for the .277 diameter bullets, useless things.
If I was given or won a rifle in any of the 270's, I'd quickly go trade in for something much, much better...like a 300 Win Mag,
King of the magnums!!

I forgot about the Waters!

As far as the .270 goes, I could have had one, (still can) in a Pre '64 with a Lyman Alaskan on it.
Can't be bothered, it's a bolt action!

Catnthehat

I was very fond of the 7.62x39 in the hands of the NVA, it's why I still live. The 9mm is but a baby .45 that will never do a man's job. The .270 is a jack of many trades, master of none.

I think the .25 acp would make a fine rook rifle cartridge. Now, if there were just some rooks...

I think the WSSM name is fine for predator control, why else would Winchester call it the Shoot'nShovel Magnum?

Arrrgh! The O'Conner .277-06 Long Unbelted Non-Magnum is the one I have no use for.

338WM--- most over-rated, undeserving, shoulder-bruising, flinch-building, powder-wasting, ear drum shattering, under-achieving cartridge ever. If the 300WM is not enough the 375H&H is the only logical next step.

Have had more problems with hunters in total fear of their 338s than all other cartridges combined. Have seen more guys that could not hit a paper plate at 50 yards with it, too.
art

Sitka, you forgot "case cracking" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Catnthehat

But it has been known to out penetrate the 375 H&H. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Guess I may have to get a new rifle before next year! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I'll never own the worthless POS .223AI or .280AI.

Hey, some of my favorites are listed on this thread - I ain't gonna be mad alone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />.

Those are strong words, especially about the 280AI, since there seems to be a strong following of them on this board. Same for the 223AI, JOG. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Personally, I don't have a use for either one of them.

Amen, Art!

My vote, however, goes to the 7mm Rem. Mag. I hate to generalize, but whenever I run into some puss gutted windbag, they seem to invariably be toting a, and I quote..."Seven Mag with a three by nine". A "tripod" is also a popular accessory. "It'll shoot flat out to five hunnerd yards, and kills like a bolt a lightening!"

Boy, that does feel good!

My apologies to the the serious riflemen who shoot this ballistically fine cartridge.

Jeff

"It'll shoot flat out to five hunnerd yards, and kills like a bolt a lightening!"



Actually, I think I have heard statements to that effect most from people who shoot 300 Weatherbys. I agree that it is a great cartridge but that saying above along with "With this rifle if you hit them in the toe, the shock will do them in!!" causes one to shake their head in amazement sometimes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />



As for the 270 Win. I always remember what John Wooters said when he rated the ten most over-rated cartridges along with the ten most under-rated. The 270 was on both lists. He said that it performed as well or greater than many cartridges bigger than it making it an over-achiever, thus under-rated. He also said that no cartridge made could possibly be as good as many people claimed the 270 was, thus it was highly over-rated. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

And RSUMs, WSSMs & WSMs.

Marketing fads.


SC.........................

308 never carried for it


but a 25/308 would be cool

30-06

Any I owned would be quickly re-barreled to another cartridge.

Big Stick:
Does the "king of yhe dinks" have the initials J'Oc?

I'm really surprised at the animosity toward cartridges such as .270, 308, 30/06. I don't see them as boring at all. They've been doing it right for a very long time. What's wrong with that? Everyone has the right to like or dislike as they see fit, it just surprises me. I've killed many, many deer with a .270, almost as many with the .308, and 30/06. I'm not saying they are my all time favorites, but they rank right up there and I currently own a .308 and a 30/06. I have since traded the .270. My favorites are the 7mm-08 and 257 Roberts. I like the diversity of calibers hated, very interesting. I'm almost afraid to mention that I also have a .243, and like it very much. I guess there's no accounting for taste, maybe I don't have any.

bchannell,
When your on top 270, 308, and 30-06 people are always trying to knock you down. capt david <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I am afraid I am more opinionated then I realized. Have always known that the 30-30 wasn't right for me and theres no arguing about the deer it kills each and every year. Not liken the 270 doesn't make sence either. I've got a (3) 06s and a Whelen. Like the idea of 280s or a 25-06 seem good, but count me out on the 270. Then I bought a 243 but only because I didn't think I get a Low Wall in a 260. Now I got 2 Low Walls , not that I want to sell one! But I am still not certain I like the idea of a 243. The distaste for the 7.65 goes bach to high school; why couldn't they just make a 30 caliber? But then have fond memories of my brother's 303 Brit. Don't forget the 244 in a 700 Rem V that I "got ride of" and don't confuse this with the 6MM Rem.. Or the Sako 222Mag in a Vixen that I didn't need or the 35 Rem pump that I didn't neeeed because I was married and was never going to hunt again. I may not want to recall some of this. Mags don't really exist in my world, so why think about them. Cann't see 100 yards where I hunt any way. Theres no way I am getting a 38/55 or a 375 Win, better add the 45/70 also. The 284 was always on the edge, of what I am not sure. Just didn't understand the rebated head. One of several things I wish I'd had the forsight to purchase was one of the 20 MM Swedish Leighty (sp??) anti-tank guns that were offered through the 60s in the back of the American Rifleman. That would be something to hang on the wall and argue with the ATF about. Never saw a use for the 6.5 Carcano or the 6.5 from Japan, didn't like the rifles. Had an 06 Enfield with the belly straightened, the ears ground off sitting in a bedded [bleep] stock that cost $13.00 and a used scope. The 17HMR and 204 Ruger seem strange creatures, I mean I've got a 22. This was all alot easier when I had a few less dollars. I didn't need to dislike anything then.

Heard about this thread and had to check it out and throw in my .02.

The .338 Windbag. I absolutly hate and dispise this cartridge. For the same reason a feller above stated he hated the 7mm, the mentality behind it. The kind of, I can just throw her up and it will take them down because it is so big mentality. If one was given to me I would have it rebarrled to something else. I wouldnt even sell it for fear someone would actually shoot the POS.

By the way, Roy Weatherby was a king umongst mear mortals in the rifle business!!!

I refuse to own any cartridge that has STW, SAUM, Ultra Mag, WSM, WSSM in its name - most useless bunch of chamberings ever concocted when there were other cartridges that could do pretty much the same thing - reliably kill any game animal, providing I do my part. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

add the 270 WSM to my list

why buy it when you can have a 7mm WSM instead

What a thread to read - it's depressing. Yet oddly enough I now feel compelled to comment.
I will never own a round designed for a pistol or revolver - useless things!
I'll never own one of those straight walled caliber's designed for black powder guns - there is a reason their dying out.
I'll never own a low-pressure round designed for a weak walled lever action. No wonder they are dying out too.
I will never buy another magnum - or probably use any of the ones I own that kick harder than a 30.06. I just don't need a bullet to shoot 4 inches flatter over 400 yards - compared to a "standard caliber". It's easier to simply hold 4 inches higher.
I won't ever buy a gun with more "oomph" than my old 30-06 Pump. It puts them all in an inch at a hundred - and as I'll probaby never go to Africa - it will kill everything dead without a lot of fuss and bother. And there just isn't any such thing as "deader than dead!" And so far (and it was built in 1956) nothing it's been pointed at has lived to tell about it - and that included many a grizzly.
Brian

338 Ultra mag.

Really it just pisses me off that remington doesnt sell a 338 win mag, if you want a new 338 from remington you have to get the ultra mag. Please, if i wanted that kind of recoil id at least get some benifit out of it and get a 375.

also:

243 whats it really good for? The 25-06 does everything better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

7 rem mag, no thanks ill take the 30-06 everytime.

Any of the new fangled short mags, just based on principle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

By God,you just talked me into a 30-06!


Nawwwwwwwwww....been there/done that...................(grin)

I did the 30-06 thing twice, and after just checking my safe, they no longer reside there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I've a Garand in the stable,but what the hell ELSE could one watch a WWII flick with?

I'm also guilty of wiping my ass with paper and feeling no remorse.

Times change,there's no shame in that.................

Most of them.

As Murphy would have it, I figure that most of you boys is dead serious about your disdain for the cartridges you don't like, I'll take all the .338 WM's, 7mm mags, .308's, whizzums and shamus you guys absolutely wouldn't want to give away lest some poor ole boy shoot the POS for $100 a rifle. Just blind luck has allowed me to kill about everything I've ever pointed at with those overbore, underperforming cartridges. Yes recoil is a dreadful thing, why sometimes it pushes your shoulder and makes a loud bang! I got several $100 bills laying around, I'll be waiting for the PM's of the deals you just cain't stomach cause it's in THAT cartridge <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />1ak

That would be the 7MM Rem. Mag. A whole lot of hype about a cartridge that wont do anything a 30-06 can't do!! -memtb

SU35,
dont knock the 8mm rem mag till uve tried it. 180 grain bullet at easy 3300 ft per sec., 200 grains at 3100 plus and a 250 grain at 2800 per second. shot a dall sheep at an honest 450 yrs two yrs ago. 180 grain nosler ballistic tip at 3300 feet per sec is fast , flat an accurate. Ive owned three different *mm mags and all shot well.

maybe i missed it. In all the hoop la here i didnt see the 300 win mag listed as disliked. So by omission it makes a hell of a cartridge.

That about sums it up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

fish springs, have you ever owned or shot a 7.62x39mm?

Mauser96,
I'll have to say mee too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There are lots out there that I have no real DESIRE to own, but put them in the right package, at the right price, and I'll probably buy. Come to think of it, I have owned some that made me wonder WHY? Of course, this was AFTER I was the owner, anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Oh, well, at least I had the experience! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

berarstalker -

The .30-30 is hardly a long-range cartridge, but every time I pick up my hunting buddy's Marlin I marvel at what a joy it is to shoot. We blast clay pigeons at 200 yards and he shoots balloons at that distance frome a freestanding position. Recoil is negligible and for most of our hunting situations (7 elk in the last 5 years), it is more than adequate. I don't own a .30-30 yet, but its high on my list of chamberings I want to own. (I do own Marlins in .375 Winchester and .45-70, and the .45-70 is my most-shot rifle.)

I'm going to guess you don't own ANY Marlin or Winchester lever guns?

I own a Marlin .44 rem. mag. lever action, but I haven't shot it in a few years. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

you anti-270 guys are really missing the boat. I was "lost in the wilderness" for some time myself. got on a 6.5 binge that included the 260 rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06 and 264 win mag. also toyed with some total 34 cartridges (have the rcbs dies if I ever loose track). after all that fooling around with 24s, 25s, 6.5s, 7mms I came to the conclusion that they are all fine at what they were intended to do but you could replace them all with the 270 win. I used one for years with great results, simply got bored, then wandered. now I am back in the 270 camp and can see why it has been a top seller for over 75 years. I still have some 24s, 25s and other stuff but liquidate all the 6.5 fodder as they were simply 270 contenders but not the real deal, especially the 264 win mag. yeah, its cool to show up in camp with something different than the masses but I will stick with what works for me. also, if you show up with all the high-tech stuff, and roll your own ammo, the other fellers really expect you to be some kind of "super hunter". if I were an outfitter, I would rather see a fellow come to camp with a worn 270 than a fancy 264! that ought to get you 264 fans riled up! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'll never own a .338 Win. Mag. It kicks way too much for me for use on elk and the like. If I need a bigger gun than a .30-06 or .300 mag, I'll go with a .375 H&H.

I would own any and all - just can not see so spending the money on a 243. I will not hunt deer with it and if I were to get varmint crazy Stick's 223AI is on the list. As to an antelope/sheep blaster I think a 280AI or 7-08 would be bought b4 the 243.

I just cant see spending the $ on it - other calibers just get me movin a bit more thats all.

You guys crack me up. Let me see here, it shoots faster, flatter tradjectory, hits harder, and is just as cheap and easy to find ammo for. Yep your right, it doesnt do anything a 30-06 can do.......you wish.

I might refuse to buy a caliber or two but I won't refuse to own any. What do you want to give me?

I shot my finest "local" buck with a 7mm rem mag, one of my finest rifles, and I remain unimpressed with the cartridge. In retrospect, I would have put the money in a 270 which I eventually did. Will take a 300 wsm over the 7mm rem mag anyday. pressure swings is another reason to ignore the 7mm rem mag for the serious handloader. its fine for the guy who wants to buy factory ammo and still have a "magnum" at camp.

There is only one kind of dead, but there are lots of different kinds of wounded!
Thats why the 243 pisses me off. To many members of my hunting party have wasted my vacation time by having me help them find their wounded deer. Either use a 30-06 or stay home I say. Except I use a 35 Whelen for a little extra insurance. I thought it could do double duty on elk, bears and moose. If I ever get lucky enough to draw a moose tag.
GWN

I'm saying a prayer for all you heathens that dissed the 270 WCF. God hunts with a 270 and St. Peter carries the Bob.

Satan definitely carries a plastic stocked 700 in 338 RUM.

God totes a 257Wby and The Reaper a 220Swift.

Neither,with apology....................

I just looked in the safe and realized I don't have a 378 Weatherby so I guess I refuse to own that too!
With a Ti reciever I bet it would make a dandy mountain rifle though!
GWN

I think the .270 is the king of hunting rounds. Even if it is an old boring round. The one round that I dislike the most is the 7mm remington magnum. There are lots of "hunters" down where I live that have "7 mags". For some reason, their rifles shoot dead-on out to 400 yards with a 100 yard zero. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> No offense to the people on this board who use the 7mm magnum. I am making fun of the stupid people that live near me who don't know a thing about ballistics, not the actual round.

270jrk

ask those 100/400 dead zero 7mm mag toters for a demonstration next time they spout off!

7 mm Rem Mag or any of the short so called "magnums" irregardles of who makes them. any cartridge having " french" in the name. not much in love with 303 british either.