I had no intention on getting on the Creedmoor bandwagon. I figured I had the bases pretty well covered with what I already had. But, when Darick at Whitakers advertised those Howa Lightnings for $299, I kinda sorta changed my mind. I made the hour drive north and bought one, figuring I'd stick it in the back of the safe for a winter project. Like a kid with a dollar burning a hole in his pocket, I couldn't wait till winter.
I thought I had a good scope somewhere to put on it, but couldn't find it. I didn't want to take one off a rifle, and didn't want to go and take back one I loaned out. So, looking around in the scope drawer, I came up with a choice between a Weaver 2X10X38 Japan made, or a Simmons Whitetail Classic 3.5X10. The Simmons was actually the better looking glass, so I put it on, rather than order another scope and have to wait on it. I figured even a cheap scope would tell me how good the rifle would shoot.
I don't shoot factory ammo, preferring instead to make my own. I had to be close to Clarksville TN this afternoon, so I went by MidSouth and picked up some brass and dies. I had some 120 grain Sierra Matchkings, and figured they'd be good enough to zero the rifle in with. I printed off Hogdon's reloading info for the 6.5, and decided to go with W760 powder, as I had a little bit left in a can and wanted to use it up. I loaded 42.5 grains, CCI primers, and Hornady brass. After boresighting, it took 2 shots to zero at 25 yards. My first 100 yard 3 shot group went into .3950. I adjusted the scope, and fired another 3 shot group, .7260 on that one. Sorry, no pics. Can't seem to figure out how to on here.
My only complaint was how the barrel heated up so fast. I know with some different bullets and powder combinations, this rifle will be a shooter. I admit to being very impressed. The trigger pull is very good. The stock sucks, but what do expect on a 300 dollar rifle. I can't wait to put a better scope on, and try some more loads at a longer distance.
A 3-shot group of .3950" That sucks. What do you think the problem is?
2 thoughts:
1. Those WTCs were pretty good scopes and when Natchez was selling the 3.5-10x40s for $60 they were a pretty good buy too.
2. The stocks do suck, but there are frequently Vanguard2 take-off stock available for under $100 on eBay, or if you don't mind the increase in weight there are always a few options from Boyds, or if you like walnut and are willing to spend a little more $$, GPC may still have some of the S&W 1500 SA stocks for sale for between $140 and $170.
Glad it worked out!
They're hard to beat for the money and they really are a bargain for what you get. We go through tons of those 1500's before deer season. In terms of number of bolt action centerfire rifles sold, they rank 3rd with us. Tikka T3 series is number 1, the Ruger American's are second and the Howa's are third (combining the Lightning 1500's with the mini actions).
A 3-shot group of .3950" That sucks. What do you think the problem is?
Well, it coulda been .3850....lol. Seriously though, I was somewhat shocked, as I wasn't expecting to do anything other than just zero the scope. I've researched 6.5 Creedmoor reloading data that others have posted quite a bit, and W760 powder was never mentioned in any of them. I use it in my 243's almost exclusively, and I turn out some very accurate loads with it.
Glad it worked out!
They're hard to beat for the money and they really are a bargain for what you get. We go through tons of those 1500's before deer season. In terms of number of bolt action centerfire rifles sold, they rank 3rd with us. Tikka T3 series is number 1, the Ruger American's are second and the Howa's are third (combining the Lightning 1500's with the mini actions).
As I told you at the store, I did not have good luck with the Howa Lightning in 6.5X55, and actually returned the first one to the factory, and they sent me a second one. It was accurate enough for deer hunting, but it just didn't suit me. However, the other ones I've had in 223 and 204 were good shooter. My biggest gripe is that they're a little on the heavy side and the stock is too chunky. They are a bargain at that price, though, and one can't complain about that. Thanks again for the heads up on the rifle.
You've done it now. I'm sure you'll cause all kinds of discontent on the 'fire with that crazy 6.5 CM talk! FWIW, my "cheap" Ruger Creedmoor, that I bought from Shortactionsmoker, shoots really, really well. Sad thing is it's hard to beat the factory ELD-M ammo. I can match it, but that's all.
2 thoughts:
1. Those WTCs were pretty good scopes and when Natchez was selling the 3.5-10x40s for $60 they were a pretty good buy too.
2. The stocks do suck, but there are frequently Vanguard2 take-off stock available for under $100 on eBay, or if you don't mind the increase in weight there are always a few options from Boyds, or if you like walnut and are willing to spend a little more $$, GPC may still have some of the S&W 1500 SA stocks for sale for between $140 and $170.
I know that some people think that a "cheap" scope is one that starts at $500. I admit that just about all of the scopes that I own and use cost a lot less than $500. I have an old Simmons 44Mag, 3.5X10 that I have probably used on half a dozen rifles. The glass is very clear, and the adjustments are as precise as any scope I've ever had. I also have an old Jap made Tasco 3X9 that I've had for years. It's been dropped out of a tree, bounced around on 4-wheelers, and not once has ever lost it's zero. I currently have it on a muzzleloader, and figure I've got my money back out of that scope many times over. The WTC also has some good glass, and rivals some scopes that cost 5 times what it did.
I had no intention on getting on the Creedmoor bandwagon. I figured I had the bases pretty well covered with what I already had. But, when Darick at Whitakers advertised those Howa Lightnings for $299, I kinda sorta changed my mind. I made the hour drive north and bought one, figuring I'd stick it in the back of the safe for a winter project. Like a kid with a dollar burning a hole in his pocket, I couldn't wait till winter.
I thought I had a good scope somewhere to put on it, but couldn't find it. I didn't want to take one off a rifle, and didn't want to go and take back one I loaned out. So, looking around in the scope drawer, I came up with a choice between a Weaver 2X10X38 Japan made, or a Simmons Whitetail Classic 3.5X10. The Simmons was actually the better looking glass, so I put it on, rather than order another scope and have to wait on it. I figured even a cheap scope would tell me how good the rifle would shoot.
I don't shoot factory ammo, preferring instead to make my own. I had to be close to Clarksville TN this afternoon, so I went by MidSouth and picked up some brass and dies. I had some 120 grain Sierra Matchkings, and figured they'd be good enough to zero the rifle in with. I printed off Hogdon's reloading info for the 6.5, and decided to go with W760 powder, as I had a little bit left in a can and wanted to use it up. I loaded 42.5 grains, CCI primers, and Hornady brass. After boresighting, it took 2 shots to zero at 25 yards. My first 100 yard 3 shot group went into .3950. I adjusted the scope, and fired another 3 shot group, .7260 on that one. Sorry, no pics. Can't seem to figure out how to on here.
My only complaint was how the barrel heated up so fast. I know with some different bullets and powder combinations, this rifle will be a shooter. I admit to being very impressed. The trigger pull is very good. The stock sucks, but what do expect on a 300 dollar rifle. I can't wait to put a better scope on, and try some more loads at a longer distance.
That sounds like my Howa in 6.5x55. They are simply great rifles for the money. I thought about dropping mine into a B&C stock.
Glad it worked out!
They're hard to beat for the money and they really are a bargain for what you get. We go through tons of those 1500's before deer season. In terms of number of bolt action centerfire rifles sold, they rank 3rd with us. Tikka T3 series is number 1, the Ruger American's are second and the Howa's are third (combining the Lightning 1500's with the mini actions).
As I told you at the store, I did not have good luck with the Howa Lightning in 6.5X55, and actually returned the first one to the factory, and they sent me a second one. It was accurate enough for deer hunting, but it just didn't suit me. However, the other ones I've had in 223 and 204 were good shooter. My biggest gripe is that they're a little on the heavy side and the stock is too chunky. They are a bargain at that price, though, and one can't complain about that. Thanks again for the heads up on the rifle.
How long ago did you have that experience with the 6.5x55?
I did the FFL paper work last night , the salesman suggested Vortex Razor HD LH 3-15X42 ,but at almost $800 sounds too expensive for $300 rifle.
any comments ?
P.
2 thoughts:
1. Those WTCs were pretty good scopes and when Natchez was selling the 3.5-10x40s for $60 they were a pretty good buy too.
2. The stocks do suck, but there are frequently Vanguard2 take-off stock available for under $100 on eBay, or if you don't mind the increase in weight there are always a few options from Boyds, or if you like walnut and are willing to spend a little more $$, GPC may still have some of the S&W 1500 SA stocks for sale for between $140 and $170.
I know that some people think that a "cheap" scope is one that starts at $500. I admit that just about all of the scopes that I own and use cost a lot less than $500. I have an old Simmons 44Mag, 3.5X10 that I have probably used on half a dozen rifles. The glass is very clear, and the adjustments are as precise as any scope I've ever had. I also have an old Jap made Tasco 3X9 that I've had for years. It's been dropped out of a tree, bounced around on 4-wheelers, and not once has ever lost it's zero. I currently have it on a muzzleloader, and figure I've got my money back out of that scope many times over. The WTC also has some good glass, and rivals some scopes that cost 5 times what it did.
I have several WTCs in service; 1.5-5x20 (x2), 2.5-8x36 (x2), and 3.5-10x40 (x12). It looked to me as if Simmons was trying to mirror Leupold's Vari-X III line in a lower price niche.
I have a Burris MSR 4.5-14 I got from Amazon for like $200 and like it
I did the FFL paper work last night , the salesman suggested Vortex Razor HD LH 3-15X42 ,but at almost $800 sounds too expensive for $300 rifle.
any comments ?
P.
I can think of a lot of better ways to spend $800.
How long ago did you have that experience with the 6.5x55?
It was probably 10 years ago, at least. Maybe 12. No matter what load I tried, 1 1/2 to 2 inches at a 100 was it.
up to 600 yards , hunting or range shooting.
P.
Lots of sub-$800 options from Leupold and SWFA that I would look at before Vortex, but I am not a particularly demanding or bad weather scope user. I have quite a few scopes, but only one Vortex and then only because it came attached to a used rifle that I traded into.
I can think of a lot of better ways to spend $800.
would you share a few ?
P.
Personally, a VX2 3-9 and roughly $500 worth of ammo to practice shoot with. I know which combo would make me a better hunter. Not a knock on Vortex, I have one of those too, but at some point you hit diminishing returns on scopes for what they are actually used for.
How long ago did you have that experience with the 6.5x55?
It was probably 10 years ago, at least. Maybe 12. No matter what load I tried, 1 1/2 to 2 inches at a 100 was it.
I read a good bit after I bought mine. Howa had some throat issues with their rifles for a while. I forget what year it was, but fairly recently they made some changes. Mine is brand new. The first (and only to this point) load I tried, I sighted it in and shot a 3 shot accuracy group that went into about 3/4 inch.
To the OP that sounds great. That $299 price is really tempting to try out a interesting chambering. The thing is I've got a couple of nice 257 Roberts and 270 already. Your report isn't helping fight the urge though.
How long ago did you have that experience with the 6.5x55?
It was probably 10 years ago, at least. Maybe 12. No matter what load I tried, 1 1/2 to 2 inches at a 100 was it.
I read a good bit after I bought mine. Howa had some throat issues with their rifles for a while. I forget what year it was, but fairly recently they made some changes. Mine is brand new. The first (and only to this point) load I tried, I sighted it in and shot a 3 shot accuracy group that went into about 3/4 inch.
I have heard that the original chamberings in 6.5x55 did have problems. I killed a couple of deer with my Howa 6.5X55, and it was certainly accurate enough for doing that. The Swedish Mauser I'd had before I got the Howa was actually a more accurate rifle. It just didn't like full power loads, whereas the Howa would handle them.
I got a chance to shoot the Howa a little more today, and it keeps impressing me big time. I tried some different powders, just using what I've got on hand. Varget did not do too good, but IMR 4064 gave a good sub inch group at a 100 yards. W760 still shot the best, with a 1/2 inch group. My 300 and 400 yard shooting range is now planted in beans, and I can't shoot there like I'd like to. But, I did shoot the 300 steel today, and shot about a 3 inch group, with the 120 Sierra's and the W760. That was by shooting off the toolbox on my Polaris Ranger. I've loaded up some more ammo using IMR4350 and a little stiffer load of 760 to try another day. This rifle appears to be a keeper.
That's great, seems like you got a heck of a rifle for $300.