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Posted By: Dirtfarmer 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17

We hear about the popularity of these rounds. Looking at this data, it's easy to see why they're so popular. They're very effective.

Found this on line. Check out the highlighted loads, how the 7mm-08 runs really close to the 130/140 .270's, even the .264WM. 7x57 is about a 7mm-08 clone, ballistically. It seems with the 7RM, to get a real K.E. advantage, you need to go to the 160's and heavier. Of course, the size of the critter has to be considered. WT's aren't that hard to kill if you hit'em right. Compare drop and K.E.

I've found myself reaching for my 6.5 CM or 7mm-08 more than my 6.5-284, 26 Nos, 7RM, 300WM, etc. If I'm shooting at extended range, I'll pick the more powerful rounds, for typical WT hunting locally, not so much. Most of that hunting is 200 yds. or less. Those more powerful rounds don't seem to kill WT's any deader, any quicker.

DF


Compare 7mm-08 to Factory Loads
Now you can see why the 7mm-08 is a giant killer! This comparison should end all campfire arguements!

Cartridge MV-FPS 300 YD(200 Zero) 400 YD(200 Zero) 400 YD Energy

7mm-08 Handload 120 GR BT 3100 -6.4 -18.8 1300
7mm-08 Handload 130 GR BT 3040 -6.7 -19.6 1350
7mm-08 Handload 140 GR BT 2950 -6.8 -19.8 1510
7mm-08 Handload 145 GR BT 2900 -7.1 -20.4 1540
7mm-08 Handload 160 GR BT 2700 -8.1 -23.2 1546
25-06Rem Rem PSPCL 120GR 2990 -7.5 -22 1100
264 MAG Rem PSPCL 140GR 3030 -7.2 -20.8 1389
270 WIN Rem BP 130 GR 3060 -7.1 -20.6 1285
270 WIN Rem BT 140 GR 2960 -7.2 -20.7 1465
270 WIN Rem SPCL 150 GR 2850 -9.7 -29.2 872
7mm MAG Rem PSPCL 150 GR 3110 -7.0 -20.5 1448
7mm MAG Rem BT 165 GR 2900 -7.5 -21.4 1689
30-06 SPR Rem BP 150 GR 2910 -8.0 -23.3 1298
30-06 SPR Rem BT 165 GR 2800 -8.2 -23.6 1500
300 MAG REM PSPCL 180G 2960 -7.3 -20.9 1859
338 MAG REM PSP 225G 2785 -9.1 -26.7 1633




OK! Stop screaming! Some of you long action and magnum lovers are saying your handloads will beat the 7mm-08 loads! Not by much! Even with magnum and long action hot loads, it is still difficult to beat the 7mm-08 by one inch at 300 yards!
For example; we are trying to show is that 7mm-08 handloads will match 7mm Remington mag factory loads. If the gun story writers say the 7mm rem mag will handle moose and bears with factory ammo, the 7mm-08 will do the same with handloads. Now for the real truth. Most factory loads don't measure up to the claimed FPS. Yes! An 7mm rem mag handloaded with data from 35 years ago will smoke about any hunting rifle cartridge.
I love the 7 mag, but the 7mm-08 made me a better shooter. I normally won't take a shot beyond 400 yards. I can shoot up 3 boxes at the range with no blue shoulder. At 100 yards I can shoot the teeth off a plastic fork one at a time. I can't do this with my 7 mag. I use the 7mm-08 year around shooting varmints, pronghorns, deer, elk, and anything in season. This has made me a better shooter and hunter.





7mm-08 Pet Handloads (Writer didn't mention Big Game, one of my favorite 7mm-08 powders. Varget is another of my favorites, evidently one of his, DF).

Rifle 1: Browning A-Bolt Composit Stalker 22" Barrel
Rifle 2: (loads in blue): Tikka T3 Lite 22.4" Barrel.
Scope used is Redfield 4x16.
Weather 60-80 degrees F, no wind. Private range in quiet Hollow.
Brass: Remington, Winchester & Hornady Primer: CCI200 (CCI 250 w /760 powder)
Best groups are 3 shot at 100 yards. Yes, some may be just luck.

Bullet Charge Grains MV-FPS Group Notes
110 GR Speer TNT 46 IMR 3031 3200 .210 Varmint
120 GR Nosler BT 46.2 Varget 3100 .450 Antelope
120 GR H V-MAX 44.8 H4895 3045 .650 Varmint
130 GR Speer BT 45.1 Varget 3040 .470 Whitetail
130 GR Speer BT 44.9 IMR 4064 3000 .870 Whitetail
130 GR Speer BT 43.1 IMR 4064 2920 1.00 Wifey Load
*140 GR Nosler BT 44.5 Varget 2950 .250 Mule deer
*140 GR Nosler Par 44.6 Varget 2950 .380 Elk
140 GR Sierra SBT 48.5 Win 760 2950 .810 Mule deer
140 GR Sierra SBT 44 IMR 4064 2935 .750 Mule deer
145 GR Speer BT 44 Varget 2900 .450 Mule deer
145 GR Speer BT 48 Win 760 2880 .650 Mule deer
150 GR Nosler PAR 43.8 Varget 2860 .500 Elk
160 GR Speer BT 41.5 Varget 2700 .630 Elk
160 GR Nosler PAR 41.5 Varget 2700 .380 Moose
160 GR Speer BT 44.5 Win 760 2670 .600 Elk



*Favorites: No guesswork. Use boattail for deer and partition for elk.
Caution: These loads are maximum and show no excessive pressure signs in my gun. WARNING! Pay attention to OAL, and make sure the bullet does not contact the rifleing when chambered! Reduce above loads by 5% and work up with caution! I accept no responsibility for use of this data!
Next powders for 7mm-08 load developement are Reloader 17 and 2000-MR. The RL-17 powder is now $2 cheaper per pound than other brands at my local dealer. I have never used Alliant powders in the past. I hear others are getting reliable 3000 to 3060 FPS with no pressure signs using 140 grain bullets and RL-17. This could be the magic powder! I want to try 2000-MR because people loading for the 308 Winchester are getting better than 30-06 factory ammo speeds. If it works for the 308 Winchester, it could do wonders for the 7mm-08. Prey I don't blow myself up!

Many of you have asked what is the best factory ammo? The Hornady 139gr SST Light Magnum (now called SuperPerformance). The factory claim is 3000 fps. My test showed 2923 - 2946 fps in a 22" barrel. This pretty much compares to the above handloads. 100yd groups in the .8 to 1" range in my rifle. Save your brass!
Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
That is very interesting information DF. I enjoyed that. I do not have near the data that you put together, but I do have some real world experience. From 1971 to 2010, 95% of my hunting and killing was done with a 7Rmag with 160 partitions. A couple hundred medium size game animals succumbed to it. I bought my son a Tikka T3 in 7-08 around 2005, and was able to be part of him taking numerous whitetails, mule deer, antelope, a few aoudad culls, and too many hogs to count. For some odd reason he always loved the Winchester Supreme 140 gr failsafe factory ammo. Probably because it was wicked accurate and wicked performing. He became very deadly with it.

On the occasions he could not go out with me, post 2010, I started fiddling with loads for it and wound up loving the 140 partition load of 43g Varget at 2800'ish. The more I shot it, the more i liked it and it's performance on more deer, aoudad, and hogs. Moral to the story (for those remotely interested) is that nowadays I reach for my 7-08 first, every single time I go hunting. I've morphed into a huge 140 accubond fan, as I find them just as deadly (blasphemy) as the vaunted and well earned rescpect the partition gets.

I'm not near the rifleman as man here, but I'm going to say IMHO, the 7mm08 is the finest short action caliber made, as it's combination of accuracy, great bullet choices, and very moderate recoil make it a real winner.
Posted By: JoeBob Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
I think the 7x57 and the 7-08 are practically magic. Deer seem to die on the spot without a step.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17

JG,

I've seen ample evidence of what you can do with a 7RM...

And, I've followed as you seem to be trending toward the 7mm-08. I don't think I'm that far behind you in that regard.

With reference to what I posted, before everyone starts harping about apples vs. apples, it was noted: 7mm-08 data are handloads, compared data are factory.

These 7mm-08 loads are probably at upper SAAMI limits, but not off the reservation.

Bottom line and the point being made, more moderate rounds can be about as effective as mega rounds, especially for typical WT type hunting.

Mega rounds do have their place, just not everywhere, not all the time.

DF
Posted By: Three30Eight Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
7mm08 is damn near perfect as a cartridge goes imho...does just about all that needs doing with very little recoil. Also incredibly easy to load for and accurate. Same could also be said for the 308 in most cases
Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

JG,

I've seen ample evidence of what you can do with a 7RM...

And, I've followed as you seem to be trending toward the 7mm-08. I don't think I'm that far behind you in that regard.

With reference to what I posted, before everyone starts harping about apples vs. apples, it was noted: 7mm-08 data are handloads, compared data are factory.

These 7mm-08 loads are probably at upper SAAMI limits, but not off the reservation.

Bottom line and the point being made, more moderate rounds can be about as effective as mega rounds, especially for typical WT type hunting.

Mega rounds do have their place, just not everywhere, not all the time.

DF



Very much agree. I am amazed at what a 120BT can do to hogs, "only" driven at 3000fps. I've killed nearly 100 of them with that combo, and only had a couple of handfulls that didn't zip right through them, "TTSX like". Also, 41g of RL15 pushing a 140 partition to 2700fps is a pleasure to shoot all day long. Deer and hogs don't like that one much either.

Good stuff, and glad JoeBob agrees !
Posted By: 16bore Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
When I used to give a schit about such things, I had a spread sheet of about 100 different BG loads. They averaged out to a 146 gr bullet with a .479 BC going 2965.

Point being that there is no point and things are more similar than different.
Posted By: jwall Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

JG,

I've seen ample evidence of what you can do with a 7RM...

And, I've followed as you seem to be trending toward the 7mm-08. I don't think I'm that far behind you in that regard.

These 7mm-08 loads are probably at upper SAAMI limits, but not off the reservation.

Mega rounds do have their place, just not everywhere, not all the time.
DF


cry cry cry cry cry

Well....you 2 old Pharts just go ahead and wear 'panties'. laugh laugh

Why just Monday I BRUISED my right shoulder shooting my 8 mm REM MAG & 300 WIN MAG ! ! How's that for manly? grin

IMO, the 7 mm R M is hard to beat for 'all around BIG GAME ! I now consider W T deer as 'medium' game. Occasionally I have pulled out my 7 to kill WT--just because I have it.

I've never owned a 7-08 but have friends with whom I shoot - hunt so I've been exposed to its merits. I DON'T, - not like it.

However
"7mm-08 Handload 140 GR BT 2950 -6.8 -19.8 1510" from DF's 7-08 chart above.

My 270s, 7 mags, or larger DO NOT drop 19.8" at 300 YDS.>>>more like 7"--9"" whistle
WHY? I use the 3" hi at 100 yd sight in. grin

Yeah, I stacked the deck. I know, I know, I cherry picked your post & my sight in. Seems to be a common thing on the 'fire'.


Now more to reality. DF also said, " Mega rounds have their place, just not everywhere all the time." I AGREE

Good Thread guys

Jerry
Posted By: geedubya Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

JG,

I've seen ample evidence of what you can do with a 7RM...

And, I've followed as you seem to be trending toward the 7mm-08. I don't think I'm that far behind you in that regard.

With reference to what I posted, before everyone starts harping about apples vs. apples, it was noted: 7mm-08 data are handloads, compared data are factory.

These 7mm-08 loads are probably at upper SAAMI limits, but not off the reservation.

Bottom line and the point being made, more moderate rounds can be about as effective as mega rounds, especially for typical WT type hunting.

Mega rounds do have their place, just not everywhere, not all the time.

DF



Very much agree. I am amazed at what a 120BT can do to hogs, "only" driven at 3000fps. I've killed nearly 100 of them with that combo, and only had a couple of handfulls that didn't zip right through them, "TTSX like". Also, 41g of RL15 pushing a 140 partition to 2700fps is a pleasure to shoot all day long. Deer and hogs don't like that one much either.

Good stuff, and glad JoeBob agrees !


yup,

As proof, here is one of JG's cast-offs!


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Nosler Model 48 Patriot, 7mm-08

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shoots minute of hoglet with 140 gr. Accubonds!

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I figure if JG owned it, I could not miss! LOL


ya!


GWB
Posted By: mathman Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by jwall


Why just Monday I BRUISED my right shoulder shooting my 8 mm REM MAG & 300 WIN MAG ! ! How's that for manly? grin

Jerry


Not manly at all, since it bruised you. grin
Posted By: lastround Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
[quote=Seven0Eight]7mm08 is damn near perfect as a cartridge goes imho...does just about all that needs doing with very little recoil. Also incredibly easy to load for and accurate. Same could also be said for the 308 in most cases


No argument from me.
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by jwall


Why just Monday I BRUISED my right shoulder shooting my 8 mm REM MAG & 300 WIN MAG ! ! How's that for manly? grin

Jerry


Not manly at all, since it bruised you. grin


Yeah, a real manly man would never have admitted to being bruised. smile
Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Nice shootin' Geedub. Can't believe how you swindled me out of that Nosler........
Posted By: beretzs Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
I have the 7x57 in the safe and dig that cartridge.. Never owned a 7-08, but I do respect it. Not too much a good 130-140 can't do buzzing along at 2800-2900.. Todays bullets and powders make them all shine pretty brightly.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Here's my 7mm-08, a Bobby Hart built gun with 23" Rem sporter contour SS barrel, Timney 510, Hunter's Edge, pillared, glassed and free floated.

I traded for this gun with a Fire Contributor. It came with a McM Hunter stock. I sold that stock on the Classifieds, bought the Hunter's Edge thru Rick here on the Fire Store. I did the glass work, fitting ,etc. then sent it to McM for gray paint with black specks. It wears a Conquest 3-9x40 with turret in Talley LW rings. I plan to get ballistic tape for the most used load. Zeiss turrets turn the wrong way, but reportedly track well. I guess I can get used to that.

DF

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Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Here's the McM Hunter stock. Nice, but I like the slimmer, lighter, more petite Hunter's Edge better. Sold this one on the Classifieds for just about what the Hunter's Edge cost thru Rick.

DF

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Posted By: CGPAUL Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Interesting,..your loads with the 120 and 139/140 gn bullets mirror what my 7x57 produced with the same bullet weight and powder, 760, and I also used H-414, this past week. Working up loads for deer in Montana this fall. Setteled on the 139 SST at 2960 with H414.
Good info, and may I say that these short non- mag 7`s are everything that darned 6.5 creed is...and with better bullet selection.

I just ducked my head!!
Posted By: Brad Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
I think JG summarized the why-for of the 7-08 nicely.

On another thread someone asked about what we thought was a "perfect" cartridge... here's my response:

Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by akmtnrunner
Which one, in your opinion, is already "perfect" in your eyes and couldn't have been designed any better, and why?


The 7mm-08 comes to mind.

Despite all the well-deserved Creedmoor hype, the 7-08 is about the perfect, mild recoiling, all-around BG round, antelope to elk.

It has a gentle 20* shoulder for great feeding. It is based on brass that is available even in purgatory. Doesn't have the overly long neck of its relatives. Makes perfect use of the 2.8" SA magazine, and from SAAMI is throated to that magazine length. A modernized SA 7x57, which is about as good a place I can think of for most hunters to be.


I posted this before, but this might be a good place to re-post it:

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Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
laugh

You think the Creed crowd may be drawing a bead on ya...??

I like the Creed, too.

My 6.5 CM, 700 ADL with 24" #2 Shilen in a modified factory ADL stock that I cut down to 26 oz, about the weight of the Hunter's Edge. I removed a bunch of wood, inclucing the cheek piece, hollowed out the butt, glassed, free floated, rattle can painted. Lot of stock for what it cost... grin

This gun is also a tack driver, loves 123 gr. Scenars over Varget, one hole sub half inch groups.

It now wears a Conquest, set up exactly like the 7mm-08, including turret. I really enjoy this pair of rifles.

DF

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Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
That's a good read Brad. Thanks for posting.

Once I had admitted to myself that I had fallen in love with this caliber, I figured I'd get a rifle I wouldn't get tired of having, and one that wasn't so nice as I'd be afraid to drag it around in the sandhills, hence a 24" barreled McWhorter built on a 700 action (according to my handloads a pretty tight chamber) made it's way to my house. Yes that's a VX3 CDS, but I had them put a B&C reticle in it, so now I have a scope that wears a belt and suspenders. It is a match made in heaven though actually. I have a supremely accurate load of 42.5g Varget and a 140 Accubond heading out of the muzzle at 2820fps, sight in dead on at a most unusual 215yds. Why 215? Using the B&C reticle, the first has is dead on at 300, next hash dead on at 400, next small has at 450, top of thick/thin vertical reticle dead on at 500. It has been verified many times as being dead nuts on at those ranges without having to touch a turret, and the hashes in the reticle are very easy to see. All this at max power, which it will obviously be on if I have to shoot 400-500 yds. So far the CDS is perfect as well but I don't dial much.

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Posted By: jwall Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
JG

Great looking rifle !! Maybe the best looking stock I've seen.
Congrats

Jerry
Posted By: jwall Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by jwall


Why just Monday I BRUISED my right shoulder shooting my 8 mm REM MAG & 300 WIN MAG ! ! How's that for manly? grin

Jerry


Not manly at all, since it bruised you. grin


smile. Well 'it' wasn't it. It was 'THEM'. You can't ZERO a new mounted scope
w/one shot. So BOTH mags were shot a few Xs. whistle
wink


Guys - I try always to be honest. I didn't count the # of shots per rifle PLUS when sighting in or grouping ,
I don't hold the fore end. I let it lay AND recoil.
And that's the truth !! whistle whistle (Lilly Tomlin, if you're old enuff to remember ) !

All in good fun. wink

Jerry
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Brad,

Thanks for sharing. I'd seen it before; it's a classic articls on the 7mm-08.

Seeing Finn's 7mm-08 Ruger 77, Dennis Hall's work with his Ruger 77 in 7x57 came to mind. REportedly those old 7x57's were loose chambered with long throats. 7mm-08's seem to have more consistent and standard chamberings.

Don't try this at home, as they say on TV... shocked

Dennis was way off the SAAMI reservation, IMO.

Interesting read, NOT a reloading guide and, of course, with all warnings, politically correct admonitions, etc, etc..... blush

https://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/hl66partial.pdf

DF
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Originally Posted by JGRaider
That's a good read Brad. Thanks for posting.

Once I had admitted to myself that I had fallen in love with this caliber, I figured I'd get a rifle I wouldn't get tired of having, and one that wasn't so nice as I'd be afraid to drag it around in the sandhills, hence a 24" barreled McWhorter built on a 700 action (according to my handloads a pretty tight chamber) made it's way to my house. Yes that's a VX3 CDS, but I had them put a B&C reticle in it, so now I have a scope that wears a belt and suspenders. It is a match made in heaven though actually. I have a supremely accurate load of 42.5g Varget and a 140 Accubond heading out of the muzzle at 2820fps, sight in dead on at a most unusual 215yds. Why 215? Using the B&C reticle, the first has is dead on at 300, next hash dead on at 400, next small has at 450, top of thick/thin vertical reticle dead on at 500. It has been verified many times as being dead nuts on at those ranges without having to touch a turret, and the hashes in the reticle are very easy to see. All this at max power, which it will obviously be on if I have to shoot 400-500 yds. So far the CDS is perfect as well but I don't dial much.

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NICE. Agree with Jerry on that stock, super cool pattern. And, you always told me you were a "simple man"... wink

That's an interesting approach, reticle and turret. It is sort of a belt and suspender approach.

WIth that set up, I guess you don't twist that much.

When, if at all, do you use the turret, or plan to use it?

DF
Posted By: beretzs Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Very nice rifles fellas..
Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
I'll probably twist at yardages in the 350-650yd, in between the hash mark ranges. Even then the stars will have to align before I take a 500+ yard shot at a big game animal....wind, super solid rest (can't get prone very often on my mule deer place), etc. Steel at the range is so easy a caveman can do it though........
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
Here's an unusual 7x57. A CZ FS, Bavarian Mannlicher with nice, European Walnut. It has a Timney trigger, shoots very well. The gray finish and butter knife bolt handle are unusual, haven't seen another quite like it. It may be European brought to the U.S. by a serviceman. Not sure, just guessing. Check the low angle bolt handle position with action open. Very nice set up, no bumping the scope eyepiece, no finger banging by the bolt handle. And, one of the slickest Mauser type actions I've worked.

DF

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Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/28/17
You've got some real beauties there Mr DF! Looks like you've grown fond of those Conquests with a turret. My buddy who I hunt whitetails with has one on his 4.5-14 Conquest and it does a real good job. He dials about as often as I do on game, but we have lots of fun on targets, hogs, and yotes. Great stuff!
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
Thanks, Johnny.

I traded the CZ, wasn't using it. Found it a great home where it is cherished. The pictured Conquest in on either my 7mm-08 or 6.5 CM. I have two identical 3-9x40 Conquests with turrets, can't tell them apart. That turret tape company you put me onto will soon be getting some orders.

In trade, I got a great .22 Hornet CZ Prestige with beautiful stock, now a K-Hornet. I had a lot of fun messing with it, got into some deep Loony gack, even JB was knee deep in Loony minutiae. Probably not your cup of tea, but here's the link.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11390994/1

DF
Posted By: Pharmseller Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
2950 with a 140, my azz. I get 2870 with my Tikkas. Not that it makes any difference.






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Posted By: Coyote_Hunter Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17

there is no doubt the 7-08 and 7x57 are very capable rounds - anyone claiming otherwise is either ignorant or lying.

for years i wanted a 7-08 to go with my 7RM. What I got, for a variety of reason - including a price I couldn't pass up, was a .280 Rem. I load it as follows:

3051fps = 120g TTSX
2901fps = 140g AccuBond
2928fps = 140g TTSX
2942fps = 140g North Fork SS/HP (a design that never went into full production but that I have a pile of)

These are not exactly screaming velocities, but I have my 7RM for those. These were chosen for accuracy. A 7-08 can pretty much duplicate these velocities but requires higher pressures to do so. These loads are easy on the brass and my shoulder. Don't see a 7-08 or 7x57 in my future but if I didn't have the 280 I'd be looking.
Posted By: RememberBaker Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
When my daughters drew moose tags they were 13 and 15 years old, the 7mm-08 was what I settled on for them to use. It's probably on the low end as far as moose rifles go but it was what I thought they could handle comfortably. Neither of them had any trouble killing their moose with 140 grain Accubonds. One killed a 576 pound cow at 30 paces and the other a 742 pound bull at nearer to 300.
Posted By: bea175 Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
I will take the 7x57 over the 7mm-08 any day of the week
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
Originally Posted by bea175
I will take the 7x57 over the 7mm-08 any day of the week

I've had'em both, lilke'em both.

Why?

Just curious.

DF
Posted By: Joe Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
Because the 7mm-08 never killed ele-faints. laugh
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
Originally Posted by Joe
Because the 7mm-08 never killed ele-faints. laugh

Good answer... laugh

DF
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
The 7mm-08 works well in a SA, whereas the 7x57, IMO, needs a LA, at least a medium length, 3" action.

The 7mm-08 has more predictable chamber specs than the 7x57.

7mm-08 is in modern rifles, the 7x57 over the century, has been chambered in a bunch of different rifles of varying strengths.

The 7x57 in a modern action, can be hot rodded to outperform the 7mm-08 (See Dennis Hall link... :o).

They're both nice rounds that perform beyond expectation.

Those that actually use them know.

DF
Posted By: DLALLDER Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
JG, the 140 Accubonds you are using, are they the 140 extended range ? I have not been able to find anything else in the 7mm 140 accubonds. Maybe old age is the problem. Thanks Daniel

Ok old age is the problem, seeing 140 in the posts but thinking 150's.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
Daniel, not the LR accubond, if that's what you're referring to. Just the regular 7mm 140 Accubond. If you load your own, grab some of these right quick....3rd from the top.

http://www.shootersproshop.com/loading-reloading-bullets/shopby/p/7.html
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/29/17
JG,

Ordered those a couple of days ago.

That's a good buy, great bullet.

DF
Posted By: deflave Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by bea175
I will take the 7x57 over the 7mm-08 any day of the week


You either long for a long action or can't get enough of the 175gr.

Which is it?


Travis
Posted By: geedubya Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by bea175
I will take the 7x57 over the 7mm-08 any day of the week


You either long for a long action or can't get enough of the 175gr.

Which is it?


Travis


good to see you posting again!

ya!


GWB
Posted By: EdM Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by bea175
I will take the 7x57 over the 7mm-08 any day of the week


You either long for a long action or can't get enough of the 175gr.

Which is it?


Travis


A proper built Swede 7x57.

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Posted By: RevMike Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
The 7x57 in a modern action, can be hot rodded to outperform the 7mm-08 (See Dennis Hall link... :o).

DF


This has been an interesting thread. Thanks for posting it. Considering that the 7x57 can be loaded a tad quicker, that puts it even closer to the factory rounds in the original post. Of course, the nice thing is that it's also pretty effective at mid-range velocities as well. I've been shooting some Prvi Grom factory loads for the brass. The advertised velocity is 2461 (24"), and while I haven't chronographed it to see how accurate that is, I can tell you that those rounds will definitely anchor game, even 300+ lb pigs. This fall I'll be playing with some 154-gr Interlocks at about 2500+/- and I expect similar results. John (AussieGunWriter) stated recently that the 7x57 is a hunter's cartridge. Along its entire spectrum of versatility, in my limited experience I have to agree.

And dang it, Ed. Stop showing that 7x57 Swede. One of these days you're going to be the cause of me parting with some hard-earned coin! whistle
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Yep, Ed's got some real pretty toys, I never get tired of looking at them.

I'll admit, the 7x57 has the history and panache of a classic, deservedly so. It's a great round that's stood the test of time.

The 7mm-08 has a different persona, a very efficient, no nonsense SA tack driver.

Different styles, different geneologies, similar overall performance.

Critters will never know the difference, just us Loonies...

What's not to like...

DF
Posted By: CRS Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
I prefer the 7-08.
Have had a few 7x57's. Even being a Looney, got tired of all the individual quirks of the 7x57 brass and rifles. Same thing happened with the 6.5x55 Swede.

Currently own two 7-08's that I have not been able to spend enough time with. But one has accounted for one elk with 154gr Hornady IL. They are on the to do list, but all time is being dedicated to working out my 404 Jeffery, 375 H&H, and 9.3x64 Brenneke for my 2018 Buffalo/Sable hunt.

I also load for a friend who owns three 7-08's. They have accounted for many antelope, deer with 140gr BT, and one elk (140gr NP).

I have always considered the 7-08 a 270 short. At one point, I thought about building a 270-08, but no need with the 7-08 available.

I much prefer the 7-08 to the 308.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by CRS
I prefer the 7-08.
Have had a few 7x57's. Even being a Looney, got tired of all the individual quirks of the 7x57 brass and rifles. Same thing happened with the 6.5x55 Swede.

Currently own two 7-08's that I have not been able to spend enough time with. But one has accounted for one elk with 154gr Hornady IL. They are on the to do list, but all time is being dedicated to working out my 404 Jeffery, 375 H&H, and 9.3x64 Brenneke for my 2018 Buffalo/Sable hunt.

I also load for a friend who owns three 7-08's. They have accounted for many antelope, deer with 140gr BT, and one elk (140gr NP).

I have always considered the 7-08 a 270 short. At one point, I thought about building a 270-08, but no need with the 7-08 available.

I much prefer the 7-08 to the 308.

Good post.

I have a .308 and a 7mm-08, like'em both.

I read here on the Fire (gotta be right), the 7mm-08 squeezes the "suck" out of the .308... shocked

Now, don't know about all that. They're both good rounds, IMO.

To me, it's down to the individual rifle.

DF
Posted By: Dogger Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by 16bore
When I used to give a schit about such things, I had a spread sheet of about 100 different BG loads. They averaged out to a 146 gr bullet with a .479 BC going 2965.

Point being that there is no point and things are more similar than different.



^^^^^ this. pretty much what a 280 Remington will do. 284 Win, 280 Rem, 7 SAUM... a 140 to 150 at close to 3000 is a beautiful thing
Posted By: RevMike Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
I always figured that if I was going to buy a wet weather rifle it would be a M70 Extreme Weather in 7-08, but as it is I just wind up clean and drying my Featherweight a lot between June and December.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by RevMike
I always figured that if I was going to buy a wet weather rifle it would be a M70 Extreme Weather in 7-08, but as it is I just wind up clean and drying my Featherweight a lot between June and December.

Rev.,

An old Toot like yo self needs to stay dry, come inside when it's raining... grin

Wood rifles should serve you well... laugh

Don't need a rifle tougher than the shooter... cool

DF
Posted By: RevMike Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Don't need a rifle tougher than the shooter... cool

DF


All my rifles are tougher than the shooter, and that says more about the shooter than it does the rifles!! laugh
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Us old dudes gotta stick together...

DF
Posted By: RevMike Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 06/30/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Us old dudes gotta stick together...

DF


+1!!
Posted By: Arns9 Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/03/17
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Daniel, not the LR accubond, if that's what you're referring to. Just the regular 7mm 140 Accubond. If you load your own, grab some of these right quick....3rd from the top.

http://www.shootersproshop.com/loading-reloading-bullets/shopby/p/7.html


I, too, like the 140 AB in the 7-08. However, I normally use the 139 Hornady FB Interlock. I haven't been able to tell a nickle's worth of difference between the two in performance and the Hornadys are a bit cheaper. Just my two cents worth smile
Posted By: Disseminator Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/03/17
In the 7mm08 I like the 145 Barnes LRX, the 150 Scirocco II, the 160 Nosler AccuBond, and the 175 Nosler ABLR.

It's a great caliber for sure.
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/08/17
Guys, how about sharing your favorite 140 NAB, 130 IL, 145 LRX, 150 SSII and 160 NAB loads...

I would think the 175 ABLR would be moving pretty slow in the 7mm-08. To me, that more of a 7RM bullet. My 8 twist Shilen 7RM loves 168, 175 and 180 gr. bullets.

DF
Posted By: RevMike Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/08/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Guys, how about sharing your favorite 140 NAB, 130 IL, 145 LRX, 150 SSII and 160 NAB loads...

I would think the 175 ABLR would be moving pretty slow in the 7mm-08. To me, that more of a 7RM bullet. My 8 twist Shilen 7RM loves 168, 175 and 180 gr. bullets.

DF


That's a good idea, but why not stick them on the "campfire loads" 7-08 thread? That way they'll all be in one spot.
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/08/17
Originally Posted by RevMike
I always figured that if I was going to buy a wet weather rifle it would be a M70 Extreme Weather in 7-08, but as it is I just wind up clean and drying my Featherweight a lot between June and December.

If I was to buy a wet weather rifle,it would be a MRC SS chambered for the 7x57.
http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=180
Posted By: Seafire Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/08/17
Don't know if anyone has any interest in it...

but I picked up a box of 7mm 180 grain ELD-Match, that I was going to road test in the 7mm Mauser..

My Ruger will be the test mule...

According to a Q/L scenario courtesy of a fellow forum member, it states the fastest powder in it
would be RL 26....which I have to test...

but if there is any interest, I'll post the results I find out...
Posted By: Dirtfarmer Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/08/17
Photobucket made a bad decision to hold photos hostage for $400/year, suddenly with no advanced notice. That's not the way to run a business. They were making money with advertising, had pop up's galore, ads everywhere.

So, here's my Bobby Hart 7mm-08 in Hunter's Edge, Conquest 3-9x40 with turret. Bobby used the std. Remington Sporter contour, 23". Imgur is very simple to operate. You Photobucket refugees, give it a whirl.

Once I settle on a load, I'm going to get a ballistic tape made for the Conquest, set up for that load. That's cheaper than a custom turret and should work about as well.

DF

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Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/23/17
Well, Dirtfarmer you got me thinking. I have several 22's, a 257, a few 6.5s and a 30-06. No looney can let a gap like exists between my 6.5s and my 30-06 go on for long. I started looking for a 7mm-08. Yesterday I found an NIB Ruger Ultralight on Gun Broker and placed a bid on it. We'll see how it goes. If I win it, it will fit in well with my other Ruger UL rifles in 257 Roberts and 30-06, and my Savage Lightweight hunter in 223.
Posted By: TexasPhotog Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/24/17
Good thread, DF.

I've been hunting with a 7-08 for 22 years now. It's been fantastic.

I'm going to play around with a Creed, but it isn't out of necessity.
Posted By: tzone Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/24/17
Never had a 7-08 but I do have a 7x57 I like a lot. M70 fwt, push feed. It's a fun gun to shoot and I've taken a nice buck with it.
When Winchester came out with the 7x57 in their Featherweight line I bought one and loved it. Once they became scarce a friend of mine offered me far more money than I paid for it which means he bought it. I've never regretted parting with a rifle and cartridge combination quite like I do with that one.
Posted By: coyote268 Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/25/17
I have been a 7RM advocate ever since it first came out. Just three years ago because of age and losing the vision in my right eye I tried the 7-08 in a left hand Rugger Hawkeye and have not looked back. Light recoil and it is deadly accurate it is now my go to rifle although I still have my big 7. Just today sighting for Deer season where I usually shoot 139 grain Hornadays which are deadly accurate in this rifle I tried some Nosler e-tip 140 grainers as here we have to go to non lead pretty soon. I was really surprise to see them hitting half a inch higher than the Hornadays and right on line with a minus inch group. I am really beginning to love this rifle and cartridge. My Daughter Sandi who has 5 rifles including a 7RM also has a Tikka compact in 7-08 and you couldn't tear it our of her hands, Why Tikka stopped making the compact in 7-08 is beyond me. I might add that her Tikka shoots every factory load so far that you put in it under a inch. As a 80 year old retired Gunsmitth I must say this rifle and cartridge combination is one of the finest shooters I have ever seen.
Posted By: Coyote_Hunter Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/25/17
As a long time (since 1982) 7mm RM shooter, I've often thought about adding a 7mm-08 to my battery. Still a fan but none in the safe. Instead I ended up with a .280 Rem in a Ruger #1 that I later sold and replaced with a Ruger Hawkeye. That one would have been a 7mm-08 but I already had the .280 dies and brass.
Posted By: 222ND Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/26/17
Shot a blr 7-08 back in the early through mid nineties. We had a ton of fox back then and plugged quite a few right in the melon with that rifle. One gun I really wish I had back. Fast handling,accurate, and fun to shoot.
Posted By: 222ND Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/26/17
I've got a real early custom shop model seven in 7-08 with a Winchester style safety on it. Does anyone know if this was a custom shop option?
Got my 7mm-08 out.. Need to load some ammo for it.. Haven't shot a lot of game or varmints with it.. The few whitetails I used it on it did ok.. Plan to try it on antelope this fall.. Nice little rifle,but never got real excited about it..
Posted By: Jason280 Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 07/28/17
I've always been a big fan of the 7mm's...currently hunt with a Remington Ti 700 7mm-08, Ruger No. 1A 7x57, and 700 Mountain Rifle in .280. In the past, I've also played around with the 7mm TCU and 7-30 in a Contender, and have even owned a couple of 7mm Rem Mags.
Posted By: z1r Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/23/17
My Favorite 7x57, a Brno 21:

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I keep a Savage model 10 in 7mm-08 in the truck for when I make trips back to Texas. I get invited along to hunt often and don't mind the Savage bouncing around. Shoots good though!
Posted By: semi Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/23/17
I used to love the 7mm-08 until i got my 308. Cheaper ammo, available everywhere and to me, less recoil out of my savage rifle. I have 2 savage rifles, one is the 7mm-08 which kicks like a mule and a 308 that is tame. both shooting corelokts.
Posted By: TnBigBore Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/23/17
Originally Posted by semi
I used to love the 7mm-08 until i got my 308. Cheaper ammo, available everywhere and to me, less recoil out of my savage rifle. I have 2 savage rifles, one is the 7mm-08 which kicks like a mule and a 308 that is tame. both shooting corelokts.


Sounds like a stock design issue. Can't see how a 7mm-08 kicks more than a 308 in the same rifle design unless vastly different bullet weights used.
Posted By: 1Nut Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/24/17
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Guys, how about sharing your favorite 140 NAB, 130 IL, 145 LRX, 150 SSII and 160 NAB loads...

I would think the 175 ABLR would be moving pretty slow in the 7mm-08. To me, that more of a 7RM bullet. My 8 twist Shilen 7RM loves 168, 175 and 180 gr. bullets.

DF


I like my Mtn Rifle with the 140 NAB and RL19.

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Love them both....I favor the 7x57 my self.... My sons 708 made me hate my 7 mag....I rebored it to 30 and now don't own a 7 mag...
Posted By: geedubya Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/27/17
Just fer giggles n' grins,

a few more 7mm-08's I've had follow me home!

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ya!


GWB

Posted By: donsm70 Re: 7mm-08 and 7x57 fans - 08/27/17
Nice collection GWB,

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