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Posted By: xverminator Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
https://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/lrx/


Should be a dragon slayer from a high steppin’ .224”. Wish the ‘smith would hurry up with my 7” twist .22 Creed. Between the 88gr ELD and this LRX, I could easily run one rifle for everything in the lower 48 except an occasional bull elk hunt..


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Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
I'm thinking along the same lines. It seems that the 22 cals might rule the roost in the end. Just hard for me to let go of the others.
Posted By: DV_Ramrod Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Hopefully they roll out some load data for fast twist 22-250’s...
Posted By: SKane Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
It's that bullet that has me contemplating a .22 Creedmoor. blush

The 95 LRX really perked in my .243 recently (post deer seasons) so no field trials until this fall.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Originally Posted by SKane
It's that bullet that has me contemplating a .22 Creedmoor. blush

The 95 LRX really perked in my .243 recently (post deer seasons) so no field trials until this fall.


Ditto on both of those ideas......for a .22 and 6mm CM.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least.
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?
Posted By: Wrangler13 Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option?
Posted By: SKane Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?


Case length. At least in 700 SA's.
Posted By: vabowhntr Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Wish VA would let me hunt deer with one....
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Originally Posted by SKane
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?


Case length. At least in 700 SA's.

ie: Stretch ?
Posted By: SKane Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by SKane
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?


Case length. At least in 700 SA's.

ie: Stretch ?



I was clear as mud there and should have expanded. laugh
With some of the heavies, COAL could/can be an issue if one is feeding from the OEM mag box.
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
Originally Posted by SKane
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by SKane
Originally Posted by Orion2000
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?


Case length. At least in 700 SA's.

ie: Stretch ?


I was clear as mud there and should have expanded. laugh
With some of the heavies, COAL could/can be an issue if one is feeding from the OEM mag box.

Gotcha... Just wondering. It was a fairly common deer cartridge when I was living in NE PA 30 years ago. Don't figure it has gotten any slower with the new powders that are available now.
Posted By: Jim_Knight Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
[ except an occasional bull elk hunt..


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According to P.O. Ackley you could use that on elk too! I wouldn't go on a trophy bull hunt with it, no, but a late season cow elk? You bet!
Posted By: Hesp Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/01/19
In Colorado minimum cal for Antelope & Deer is 24 cal ( 6mm ) & bullet must weight at least 70grs. For elk must weight at least 85grs.
Originally Posted by Wrangler13
Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option?


Bullets aren’t getting any shorter these days, 1-7” is a good place to be IMO...

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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
[ except an occasional bull elk hunt..


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According to P.O. Ackley you could use that on elk too! I wouldn't go on a trophy bull hunt with it, no, but a late season cow elk? You bet!
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Ya, at 3400+FPS it would likely crunch elk shoulders just fine. I was mainly discounting elk due to the illegalities of .224’s on elk in most states..

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Originally Posted by Orion2000
Just curious, whatever happened to the .220 Swift ? Short action, .473" bolt face. Would seem to be an easy build for a "fast" .22 cal center fire. But, not a lot of love on the 'Fire ?


Can’t think of a single .473” based cartridge with a worse case design.....


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Posted By: Tejano Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/02/19
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least.


What are you smoking? Check the various 105-118 6mms from any case larger than a 243/Screedmoor. Recoil with any of the 6mms is rarely a problem. Only if you want to see the red mist is any recoil attenuation necessary.

The 220 Swift doesn't meet any of the current criteria for modern case design but it still has class and still shoots.
Posted By: REDVANES Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/02/19
That bullet changed my thoughts on using an 8Twist to a 7 Twist for my 22 Creedmoor build 😊
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/03/19
Originally Posted by Tejano
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least.


What are you smoking? Check the various 105-118 6mms from any case larger than a 243/Screedmoor. Recoil with any of the 6mms is rarely a problem. Only if you want to see the red mist is any recoil attenuation necessary.


105s don't run with a 22-88 or 95 until nearly 400fps faster. That takes a much bigger case than a 243, and recoil is nobody's friend in any situation. Recoil can be tolerated or attenuated, but it never helps anyone ever.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/03/19
Originally Posted by Wrangler13
Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option?


If sourcing a new build right now, there would be no downside to getting a 6.5 twist (or really even a 6 twist). There are already bullets available that can use/need 6.5 twist to run in all atmospheric conditions. If someone makes a very streamlined tipped 95 grain, then it would probably need a 6 twist to run everywhere.

I would do some more investigating of the 224 Valkyrie chronicles with heavy/long bullets, as those users have already started switching to 6.5 twist as standard since 7 twist doesn't always stabilize correctly in all conditions.

An 8 twist will run the Hornady 88s just fine in a 22 Creedmoor, but I tend to think that is about the most bullet one is going to get out of an 8 twist at those speeds. A 90 Sierra seems to want a 7 twist, and the 95 SMK could use tighter at times (from what I've heard, no experience with the latter).

If/when I build a 22 Creedmoor it will be with a 6.5 twist.
Posted By: longshot3 Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/03/19
Originally Posted by vabowhntr
Wish VA would let me hunt deer with one....


I agree! When I was at DGIF in Richmond, I got into a conversation with an employee that agreed with me on the topic. He said that the reason for not opening Virginia up to hunting with a 224, was because there would be too many people wounding deer with bullets of the wrong design and weight. A fast twist 223 Rem, or 22-250 AI would be about perfect for Va deer! Don't hold your breath, though!
Posted By: beretzs Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 02/03/19
Originally Posted by longshot3
Originally Posted by vabowhntr
Wish VA would let me hunt deer with one....


I agree! When I was at DGIF in Richmond, I got into a conversation with an employee that agreed with me on the topic. He said that the reason for not opening Virginia up to hunting with a 224, was because there would be too many people wounding deer with bullets of the wrong design and weight. A fast twist 223 Rem, or 22-250 AI would be about perfect for Va deer! Don't hold your breath, though!


I’m sure it was something silly like that but I’ve seen folks using varmint 55, 70’s, 80’s etc for years on these pipsqueak VA deer for years now with about 50/50 sorta results. When you ask why they shoot them with such light Bullets the common reason is “that’s what I found in the store”.

No amount of restrictions will stop dumb.
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Originally Posted by Tejano
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least.


What are you smoking? Check the various 105-118 6mms from any case larger than a 243/Screedmoor. Recoil with any of the 6mms is rarely a problem. Only if you want to see the red mist is any recoil attenuation necessary.


105s don't run with a 22-88 or 95 until nearly 400fps faster. That takes a much bigger case than a 243, and recoil is nobody's friend in any situation. Recoil can be tolerated or attenuated, but it never helps anyone ever.


6mms will have better barrel life than 22s of similar capacity, and the often overlooked advantage of starting cup and core bullets out at a little more sedate velocity, which will show up as more consistent on game performance. Faster does not always equal better.
Hi there. Is this bullet too long for use in an AR-15 style .223?

Looking at the TSX 77gr also, which I know will work.

Almost all of my black guns are 1:7 twist. Thanks

Htb
Posted By: Fotis Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 09/14/20
My fast twist 22 Freakmor (1:7) and my fast twist 240 Bee (1:7.7) hated the 77 and 95 LRX.

Both shoot bugholes with other bullets.
Posted By: Tejano Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 09/14/20
Originally Posted by Wrangler13
Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option?



1 in 7 will get you up to the 90 grain Berger VLD it will also handle the 73 & 83 grain Hammer bullets. But anything longer would need a faster twist.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 09/14/20
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like?
Oh, I dunno... maybe bullets that disintegrate in flight?
Posted By: phorwath Re: Barnes .224” 77gr LRX - 12/19/20
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like?
Oh, I dunno... maybe bullets that disintegrate in flight?

That's where the solid monolithic copper bullets come into play. No RPM limits.
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