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It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least. What are you smoking? Check the various 105-118 6mms from any case larger than a 243/Screedmoor. Recoil with any of the 6mms is rarely a problem. Only if you want to see the red mist is any recoil attenuation necessary. 105s don't run with a 22-88 or 95 until nearly 400fps faster. That takes a much bigger case than a 243, and recoil is nobody's friend in any situation. Recoil can be tolerated or attenuated, but it never helps anyone ever.
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Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option? If sourcing a new build right now, there would be no downside to getting a 6.5 twist (or really even a 6 twist). There are already bullets available that can use/need 6.5 twist to run in all atmospheric conditions. If someone makes a very streamlined tipped 95 grain, then it would probably need a 6 twist to run everywhere. I would do some more investigating of the 224 Valkyrie chronicles with heavy/long bullets, as those users have already started switching to 6.5 twist as standard since 7 twist doesn't always stabilize correctly in all conditions. An 8 twist will run the Hornady 88s just fine in a 22 Creedmoor, but I tend to think that is about the most bullet one is going to get out of an 8 twist at those speeds. A 90 Sierra seems to want a 7 twist, and the 95 SMK could use tighter at times (from what I've heard, no experience with the latter). If/when I build a 22 Creedmoor it will be with a 6.5 twist.
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Wish VA would let me hunt deer with one.... I agree! When I was at DGIF in Richmond, I got into a conversation with an employee that agreed with me on the topic. He said that the reason for not opening Virginia up to hunting with a 224, was because there would be too many people wounding deer with bullets of the wrong design and weight. A fast twist 223 Rem, or 22-250 AI would be about perfect for Va deer! Don't hold your breath, though!
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Wish VA would let me hunt deer with one.... I agree! When I was at DGIF in Richmond, I got into a conversation with an employee that agreed with me on the topic. He said that the reason for not opening Virginia up to hunting with a 224, was because there would be too many people wounding deer with bullets of the wrong design and weight. A fast twist 223 Rem, or 22-250 AI would be about perfect for Va deer! Don't hold your breath, though! I’m sure it was something silly like that but I’ve seen folks using varmint 55, 70’s, 80’s etc for years on these pipsqueak VA deer for years now with about 50/50 sorta results. When you ask why they shoot them with such light Bullets the common reason is “that’s what I found in the store”. No amount of restrictions will stop dumb.
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It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? A guy wouldn't need anything else until he was beyond big deer at least. What are you smoking? Check the various 105-118 6mms from any case larger than a 243/Screedmoor. Recoil with any of the 6mms is rarely a problem. Only if you want to see the red mist is any recoil attenuation necessary. 105s don't run with a 22-88 or 95 until nearly 400fps faster. That takes a much bigger case than a 243, and recoil is nobody's friend in any situation. Recoil can be tolerated or attenuated, but it never helps anyone ever. 6mms will have better barrel life than 22s of similar capacity, and the often overlooked advantage of starting cup and core bullets out at a little more sedate velocity, which will show up as more consistent on game performance. Faster does not always equal better.
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Hi there. Is this bullet too long for use in an AR-15 style .223?
Looking at the TSX 77gr also, which I know will work.
Almost all of my black guns are 1:7 twist. Thanks
Htb
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My fast twist 22 Freakmor (1:7) and my fast twist 240 Bee (1:7.7) hated the 77 and 95 LRX.
Both shoot bugholes with other bullets.
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Been wanting to rebarrel to a 22-250 this seals the deal. For shooting exclusively 77grn lrx and larger match bullets is 1-7” going to be the best option? 1 in 7 will get you up to the 90 grain Berger VLD it will also handle the 73 & 83 grain Hammer bullets. But anything longer would need a faster twist.
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It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? Oh, I dunno... maybe bullets that disintegrate in flight?
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It seems that the 22 Creedmoor with 88ELD, 77LRX, and 95SMK would pretty well kick the 6mm version out of the bed. High BCs with higher velocity, and yet less recoil. What's not to like? Oh, I dunno... maybe bullets that disintegrate in flight? That's where the solid monolithic copper bullets come into play. No RPM limits.
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