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Posted By: Flashman New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
This new rifle made its media debut about a month ago and is getting a lot press at Shot Show. It looks like a cross between an AR and a traditional bolt rifle. It has a folding stock but also a pistol grip. The videos show it being shot off a bench on a tripod.

I am curious how it would do offhand, prone slung up and sitting. Can the bolt be manipulated quickly and smoothly? Interesting concept. Not everything has to be a sniper rifle. Although AR's are very ergonomic, does that platform translate to a bolt rifle?
Posted By: Capt_Craig Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Its a similar rifle to The Fix by Q, and will likely handle similarly to other chassis based rifles and PRS bolt rifles only significantly lighter. The high pressure composite cased .277 round is getting most of the buzz, with the rifle riding on that wave. When it’s fielded, we will see what the story really is.
Posted By: ringworm Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
I don't know why a bolt action upper couldn't be designed for an existing AR complete lower.
Posted By: russm86 Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Personally think the Sig looks 10x better than The Fix by Q. The fix looks too blocky to me and that bolt handle, wtf? Sig also has a better name, half the price, higher rated pressure, and about a pound lighter.
Posted By: Capt_Craig Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by russm86
Personally think the Sig looks 10x better than The Fix by Q. The fix looks too blocky to me and that bolt handle, wtf? Sig also has a better name, half the price, higher rated pressure, and about a pound lighter.


Agreed, that’s why I said ‘similar to.’ I think the SIG might be a better hammer as well. We will see once it gets out in the market.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Interesting.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Posted By: shinbone Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
I am not a tacticool guy, but that new SIG bolt rifle is intriguing. Especially the user-changeable barrels.

And, the .277 SIG Fury, capable of running at 80,000 psi, is even more intriguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGyFwIhGuE
Posted By: JPro Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Honestly, it looks like a home run rifle to me. The overall weight, pricing, and accuracy will determine it the market will like it. I hope it's significantly lighter than a RPR, without being terribly more expensive.
Posted By: JPro Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
A little Google turns up weights around 6.5lbs and street prices around $1,500.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Changeable barrels is pretty neat. The barrels are either 16" or 18"....I'd think a 21" or 22" would be minimal added weight for someone not planning to run a suppressor.

No brainer to go AICS mags.

Make a small bolt face available so the barrel can be swapped out to a .223.

I didn't catch how long/short the LOP could be made but adjustable is always nice, especially with kids growing.
Posted By: MCMXI Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
As far as I can tell there's no locking bolt feature. If they had included one I'd consider buying a Cross, but as it stands I'll pass.
Posted By: AU7MM08 Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Looks like an interesting rifle.
Posted By: VaHunter Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by MCMXI
As far as I can tell there's no locking bolt feature. If they had included one I'd consider buying a Cross, but as it stands I'll pass.


My understanding from a youtube video I saw was that when the stock was folded forward it also prevented the bolt from lifting. Not a bolt lock per se but effective to keep the bolt from opening when packed in the folded position.
Posted By: MCMXI Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by VaHunter
My understanding from a youtube video I saw was that when the stock was folded forward it also prevented the bolt from lifting. Not a bolt lock per se but effective to keep the bolt from opening when packed in the folded position.


Yes, I saw that too, but I don't carry any of my folding stock rifles with the stock folded. I fold the stock when putting the rifle in a bag so that I don't have to remove the suppressor. I also fold the stock when I need to remove the bolt, but that's about it.

I think the Cross is a good fit for many, but I just can't spend money on a bolt action rifle that doesn't have a locking bolt handle. I know that many don't care about that feature but it's a biggie for me.
Posted By: Gtscotty Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
I've been pretty interested in this rifle since they announced it about a month ago. It seems to pack lots of features for the price, and with easy barrel/bolt head swaps I could get something safe like a 6.5, and then give the Fury a try later on if it pans out. I'd definitely prefer that the safety lock the bolt (in fact I think one of the Sig hunting team that used these for elk this year had an issue with the bolt falling open while hiking), but I think I'm willing to give it a try even with that fault if the total package delivers.

A poster on the hide said that one of his friends played with the Cross at Shot and that it felt "junky" and the bolt was floppy. I'm hoping that's a minority opinion, but definitely want to hear some more first hand impressions before getting too set on picking up a Cross.
Posted By: alwaysoutdoors Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by VaHunter
Originally Posted by MCMXI
As far as I can tell there's no locking bolt feature. If they had included one I'd consider buying a Cross, but as it stands I'll pass.


My understanding from a youtube video I saw was that when the stock was folded forward it also prevented the bolt from lifting. Not a bolt lock per se but effective to keep the bolt from opening when packed in the folded position.

That is also what I gathered from the video linked by JCM (thanks btw ) . That rifle looks really nice and attractive to own.
Posted By: Higginez Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by ringworm
I don't know why a bolt action upper couldn't be designed for an existing AR complete lower.


I've shot a few Uinta Precision bolt gun uppers on AR platforms.

Running the bolt is awkward at best and lock time is abysmal.




The Cross in 6 br would be fun as schit if it'll eject ok.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Here's another vid. Some of the weights he mentions might be off a little but he shows how the base and handguard/forend are attached and when removed the barrel nut/receiver junction. He has a part 2 and part 3 vid but I haven't watched them.

Posted By: Gtscotty Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Here's another vid. Some of the weights he mentions might be off a little but he shows how the base and handguard/forend are attached and when removed the barrel nut/receiver junction. He has a part 2 and part 3 vid but I haven't watched them.



Part 3 goes into some interesting detail about the action:

Posted By: Gtscotty Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
I'll be interested to see what the actual price is on this rifle, I've read as high as $1799, and in this video a Sig rep says $1499.

Posted By: snowboardguy Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
My only gripe is the barrel length.
Posted By: JCMCUBIC Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by snowboardguy
My only gripe is the barrel length.


I'm guessing they are thinking everyone will run a can on it....and it will probably be a good fit for that...but not everyone will. 21" or 22" with the same contour won't add much weight.
Posted By: snowboardguy Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Originally Posted by snowboardguy
My only gripe is the barrel length.


I'm guessing they are thinking everyone will run a can on it....and it will probably be a good fit for that...but not everyone will. 21" or 22" with the same contour won't add much weight.


Agreed
Posted By: Gtscotty Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Originally Posted by snowboardguy
My only gripe is the barrel length.


I'm guessing they are thinking everyone will run a can on it....and it will probably be a good fit for that...but not everyone will. 21" or 22" with the same contour won't add much weight.


That's exactly why I like the offered barrel lengths, and wouldn't be interested in the Cross with a 22" or 24" tube and the associated extra 0.5lb to 1lb of weight. There are plenty of options out there with longer barrels for folks who hunt with bare muzzles, it's nice to see something lightweight that's actually optimized for suppressed hunting. Sig has said that 24" versions will be offered eventually, just not at introduction.
Posted By: RMerta Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Perked my interest. I’m ready for more information on this rifle. Looks like a real nice setup.
Posted By: VernAK Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
LGS is really piling up the orders!
Posted By: turkish Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
I generally have traditional tastes, but I like the looks of this a lot!
Posted By: Gtscotty Re: New SIG Cross Rifle - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by VernAK
LGS is really piling up the orders!


Are they letting you preorder the Cross already? If so what's the real price on these?
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