I was notified today that the private sale of a gun can no longer be sent through UPS to an FFL. You now need to go through USPS or an FFL dealer to another dealer. Has anyone else heard about this change?
I went down to UPS earlier this year to ship some rifle scopes, magazines, barrels, and other related rifle parts. They refused to ship anything gun related.
I switched to FedEx. Cheaper, Faster, Easier, and the girls are prettier.
Yep. Bought a gun off GB and the guy emailed me this morning to let me know his UPS said no.
No great loss. Fucque them with a bat. Fugging crooks, thieves, and liars.
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I was notified today that the private sale of a gun can no longer be sent through UPS to an FFL. You now need to go through USPS or an FFL dealer to another dealer. Has anyone else heard about this change?
I went down to UPS earlier this year to ship some rifle scopes, magazines, barrels, and other related rifle parts. They refused to ship anything gun related.
I switched to FedEx. Cheaper, Faster, Easier, and the girls are prettier.
Ot oh Buckwheat.
Steps for how to ship firearms
Shippers with a Federal Firearm License
Only customers holding a Federal Firearms License (FFL) and federal, state, or local government agencies may ship firearms with FedEx. Customers holding an FFL must enter into an approved FedEx Firearms Shipping Compliance Agreement before shipping any firearms with FedEx. Also, you must be an approved firearm shipper with a signed contract on file with FedEx. For more information, contact your FedEx account executive.
Nonlicensee shippers
Nonlicensees are prohibited from shipping firearms with FedEx.
https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/how-to-ship-firearms.html
UPS just sent me their new "Shipper Agreement". You now need an FFL to ship unserialized gun parts too.
I pointed out to them, that ATF will not issue an FFL to someone that only deals in parts.
Tony
Yeah right, that'll fix them sumbitches !
Wow - here it is on there site .. at least they updated it.
NO FFL = no UPS shipping and you have to have filled out there paperwork to register as a FFL.
Huh…
https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/s...ted-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page
Well damn guys y’all should have forseen the shippers falling in line, saluting, then follow Bidet’s wish to have every transaction involving guns or parts to be through an FFL where they can snoop even deeper. Bidet couldn’t get it done on his own so corporate America did it for him.
Saw this coming under OBummer when he tried it with the banking system.
When they ask me what's in teh box I always just say "Machined parts". I ain't lying.
I have just told them metal samples and insured for value. Never another question.
GreggH
Ok guys here’s what’s going to happen.
Any FFL gunsmith or dealer that regularly ships or receives firearms are going to fill out the agreement and be registered.
UPS and FedEx are then going to flag that name, address so on and so on.
Any package that is destined to or from unless to or from another registered entity will be flagged for inspection.
Searched and confiscated after you leave or maybe they will be nice and just make you open it.
I was notified today that the private sale of a gun can no longer be sent through UPS to an FFL. You now need to go through USPS or an FFL dealer to another dealer. Has anyone else heard about this change?
UPS has gone to hell since I retired in 2011
I received gun parts this week from a non-FFL through UPS. I don’t know how enforcement will go. Moving forward if somebody else is an option, I won’t use UPS for anything.
This thread doesn’t seem to be getting much attention, but I think not being able to ship through the two major carriers is a really big deal that is going to have major ramifications. Could be wrong, but I can’t see most FFLs wanting to spend much energy helping non FFLs with their shipping issues.
1) What if a firearm needs to be sent to factory with warranty issues. Will their prepaid shipping
labels enable us to use fed ex or ups?
2) Isn’t Gun-Broker going to take a huge drop off in listings if firearms can’t be easily shipped?
3) LGSs should do very well with this new set up. We’ll be forced to sell or trade-in firearms
at their stores rather than being able to access a national market. The new market will be
very localized.
Am I correct with these musings? What am I missing?
This thread doesn’t seem to be getting much attention, but I think not being able to ship through the two major carriers is a really big deal that is going to have major ramifications. Could be wrong, but I can’t see most FFLs wanting to spend much energy helping non FFLs with their shipping issues.
1) What if a firearm needs to be sent to factory with warranty issues. Will their prepaid shipping
labels enable us to use fed ex or ups?
2) Isn’t Gun-Broker going to take a huge drop off in listings if firearms can’t be easily shipped?
3) LGSs should do very well with this new set up. We’ll be forced to sell or trade-in firearms
at their stores rather than being able to access a national market. The new market will be
very localized.
Am I correct with these musings? What am I missing?
Sounds about right.
I received gun parts this week from a non-FFL through UPS. I don’t know how enforcement will go. Moving forward if somebody else is an option, I won’t use UPS for anything.
I'm not going to use UPS at all either. FUGG them.
Wow, good thing I’m not buying or selling any more guns. 🙄
Question is, how long before they refuse to ship ammunition to private individuals? That would be inconvenient, but not insurmountable.
[quote[=M721]This thread doesn’t seem to be getting much attention, but I think not being able to ship through the two major carriers is a really big deal that is going to have major ramifications. Could be wrong, but I can’t see most FFLs wanting to spend much energy helping non FFLs with their shipping issues.
1) What if a firearm needs to be sent to factory with warranty issues. Will their prepaid shipping
labels enable us to use fed ex or ups?
NO. It would defeat the entire purpose. If you could ship it this way, they could ship it directly back to you.
Big No No…
2) Isn’t Gun-Broker going to take a huge drop off in listings if firearms can’t be easily shipped?
Nope, shipper will have to pay an FFL to send it. That’s the purpose double the paper trail.
3) LGSs should do very well with this new set up. We’ll be forced to sell or trade-in firearms
at their stores rather than being able to access a national market. The new market will be
very localized.
The only thing it’s going to do is force people to pay the LGS the transfer fee.
Face to Face where still legal is very active anyway. I know it is here.
Am I correct with these musings? What am I missing?[/quote]
Swiftt52, it is legal for anyone to send a gun directly to a gunsmith or factory for repair and sent back to you without going through an FFL
How you going to ship it if the shipping company says fugg you we aren’t accepting it for shipment? Legal or not.
How you going to ship it if the shipping company says fugg you we aren’t accepting it for shipment? Legal or not.
My UPS takes firearms infact they never ask
By forcing private sales to go through an FFL the feds will now have access to all those new serial numbers and sellers via 4473 forms. And don't tell me the feds don't keep track.
By forcing private sales to go through an FFL the feds will now have access to all those new serial numbers and sellers via 4473 forms. And don't tell me the feds don't keep track.
I had to fill out a 4473 for every gun shipped to my dealer?
Won't matter... All their drivers are dropping dead from heat exhaustion right!
I’ve shipped a long gun to Ruger for warranty work. They shipped it back directly to me. Laws may be different now. This was about 5 to 10 years ago.
No, still the same. The last one I sent back I just dropped the box wearing a pre-paid label in a Fedex box and it came back straight to my home a couple of weeks later. When I sent two single shots back to Henry, they provided shipping cartons and prepaid labels. Instead of going to the Customer Service Center 45 minutes away, I just took them to the nearby auto parts store/shipping center and dropped them off. No questions were asked because of the pre-paid labels. Again, the guns came straight back to my home. That may be how warranty situations are handled now. We’ll see.
Remember, this is a business decision by the express companies, not a new law or regulation. It’s all on them. If they escalate and refuse ALL shipment of firearms for political reasons, then we’ll have to figure a way around that. Right now, it looks like mostly an issue of convenience and expense.
This must be pretty recent. I shipped several guns to FFL's using Fedex a few months ago with no problems. Too bad, now you have to have an FFL on your end.
I was wrong,no FFL ,no ship guns.You also must be an FFL that had used UPS to ship guns before.
How long until USPS refuses to ship anything gun related? I’m quite surprised it hasn’t happened yet.
Not long, 30 days maybe.
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Terms of Service
According to the 2022 UPS Tariff/Terms & Conditions of Service, which went into effect Monday, only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS.3.7.1 Firearms
Packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) and firearm parts that do not constitute firearms as defined by federal law (together, “Firearm Products”) are accepted for transportation only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code). To transport Packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.
The Shipper shall comply with and shall ensure that each Shipment containing Firearm Products complies with all federal, state, and local laws applicable to the Shipper, recipient, and Package, including, without limitation, age restrictions.
The Shipper must use Adult Signature Required and Direct Delivery Only services for each Package containing a firearm (including handguns) and affix a label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.
The labeling and outer box markings on all Firearm Products shipments must not identify the contents as containing Firearm Products.
Additional terms and restrictions on the shipment of Firearm Products are contained in the UPS agreement for the
shipment of Firearm Products and at ups.com/firearms, which is incorporated here by reference.
Happy shipping.
From my reading of what's on their website, a C&R license would qualify "licensed collector"-- I often buy older guns at auction so having one is a no-brainer for me.
Not long, 30 days maybe.
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Terms of Service
According to the 2022 UPS Tariff/Terms & Conditions of Service, which went into effect Monday, only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS.3.7.1 Firearms
Packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) and firearm parts that do not constitute firearms as defined by federal law (together, “Firearm Products”) are accepted for transportation only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code). To transport Packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.
The Shipper shall comply with and shall ensure that each Shipment containing Firearm Products complies with all federal, state, and local laws applicable to the Shipper, recipient, and Package, including, without limitation, age restrictions.
The Shipper must use Adult Signature Required and Direct Delivery Only services for each Package containing a firearm (including handguns) and affix a label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.
The labeling and outer box markings on all Firearm Products shipments must not identify the contents as containing Firearm Products.
Additional terms and restrictions on the shipment of Firearm Products are contained in the UPS agreement for the
shipment of Firearm Products and at ups.com/firearms, which is incorporated here by reference.
Happy shipping.
Miguel asked about USPS, not UPS. Or are you suggesting USPS will follow suit within 30 days?
You bet cha, JoeBlowsDick won’t pass this up. They want universal BG checks. Also what better way to get data on all those guns sold between 68 and 2002? Ya know those that the 4473 was destroyed after 20 years. After all 50 year old guns might need a repair or 2.
You bet cha, JoeBlowsDick won’t pass this up. They want universal BG checks. Also what better way to get data on all those guns sold between 68 and 2002? Ya know those that the 4473 was destroyed after 20 years. After all 50 year old guns might need a repair or 2.
BINGO!