I've been looking at two rifles. One a Sako 85 in 308 and the Remington Ti in 308. My question, is the quality controll better with the Sako? What I really want to know is one better than the other? I know thats a loaded question but I need some feed back before droping all that money.

It's all personal preference, Some consider the Sako to be a higher quality rifle ,while others love the Remington Ti

Are you talking about the "new" Rem AWR or original TI?

The New Ti.

Price difference?

I own two Remingtons, 700 BDL 25.06 Varmint, and Sendero 300 WM. Everything considered, not very impressed.

Next rifle, if there's one at all, will be either a Sako A7 or a Tikka T3.

Price difference is not the question. I beleive the Ti is a little more expensive.

don't think the remington will shoot as well as the sako, that's my experience, Have a sako 85 finnlight and a custom north america 700 love both guns the sako shoots best.
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Anie

Ti is made in .308?

fwiw, I have two Sako 85's (one in .308, another in .25-06). Both were mechanically and cosmetically perfect out of the box (and I am a very picky about details).

Both shot < 1" with factory federal accubonds.

No experience with the Ti, but you'll have to look pretty hard to find somebody complaining about a Sako (other than price).

-nosualc

Not really - the Sako haters will be along soon enough.

And Swampman700, too..

Remington or Sako....


They both SUCK!


Seriously though, my $350 ADL will shoot just as good as my Sako's. That's really about the only thing they have in common though. Well that and the tupperware stocks.....(grin)
I love the Sako action/trigger!

I have some very accurate Remington's including a 270 Ti.Sako`s trigger is easier to tune and has a lot of machining in the action,but is usually heavier all over.My guess is to decide by holding them to see what feels best to you.

Easiest question ever! The Sako is a much higher quality firearm than Remington.........................DJ

I used to like the Remingtons a lot but have switched to Sako. I have two 85's and three A-7's. I have to admit that one of the 85's is a rebarreled action done by Mark Bansner. I wanted a 280 and that's the only way I could get it. Lilja barrel with the exact contour of the factory in the Finnlight. Great shooter.

While back I took apart my son-in-law's Tikka T3 Lite SS to clean up after the season was over.

Honestly, I was really impressed with the simplicity, design, functionality, and especially the precision finishing. Frankly, makes my Remingtons, by comparison, look a tad bit crude.

And the darn thing shoots like a rifle worth twice as much!

I think the Sako A7 is a slightly even more refined version of the T3...and weighs only .2 pounds more.

Go to the store, and work the action on a Remington, Sako and a Tikka, and then try the triggers. And look at fit and finish.

And then compare pricing...

Just sayin'...

The Sako is an over $1,500 rifle and the folks at the factory developed the Tikka T3 to lower manufacturing costs for a down-market product. The A7 was developed to market a rifle with Sako virtues for under $1,000.

I haven't acquired a new Remington rifle in some years, so I don't know where their quality control is now. For a while they sold some product that seemingly needed after market help to operate up to the price level. (I know they know how to do this.)

jim

i agree completly (and i have a couple m700s)

That's a tough call for me. I have both brands and I hate the Remingtons lack of a lock closed bolt. With my experience the Sako is a higher quality gun thru and thru (not by much) but I'd have to go with American made.

+ a bunch. No question.

Sako bolt design, IMHO, is far superior to Tikka and I own 6 Sako's and 2 Tikkas (just enough to let me form an opinion ). The dovetail fit of the Tikka bolt gives me pause for really hard use. Other than that, they are as slick and as accurate as the Sako's.

I bow to the comments on the Tikka bolt design. I don't have expertise to comment . I haven't looked either. I do know my T3 shot impressively well and very slick. I traded it for a Steyr and was not thrilled with my trade.Tikka is a very accurate rifle in 308. The older Remingtons are much better IMHO than what is now being sold. I never had a Remington that would not shoot MOA until 1994 or so. I never put much stock in the extractor argument.
I like the Sako very much and have about 6 or 7 of all vintages except the 85 (sold my 375). I can't see the price but the quality is there (other than the barrel problems). A few years ago I started to sell my L61R but then I realized it is the most consistantly accurate 30-06 I own.

There is no question I would opt for a Sako over any Remington model.

Bob257,

How do you like your A7's? I'm seriously considering one in .270WSM.

i've got a finnlight and several remingtons. after having 2 remington's action trued and rebarreled i'm seriously considering selling the sako, which i never thought i would say.

I have Remingtons and Sakos. I think that if you want a flawless, accurate rifle right out of the box you are more likely to get that with a Sako.

Not the later generation Ti's........

But I think the early generation were?



Casey

Last year, I was at a nationally known hunting and fishing store looking for a new bolt action rifle in 280 or 270WCF. The fellow at the gun counter showed me a new Remington 700 CDL that was a mess. The inlettting looked like it was done in a 7th grade shop class. The recoil pad looked like it was on the wrong rifle and the barrel was so bent, I don't think anyone could sight in this rifle and get it on paper at 100 yards. How does something this bad ever get shipped from Remington? Maybe the barrel was for an "urban tactical rifle" that was designed to shoot around corners?

the good news is that as the price of the Remington goes higher the Sako price does not look so bad next to it! I would have no problem owning either but if you ever wanted to rebarrel it which one would be easier to work with? I am sure Sako's are great rifles, the 375 H&H at 7.5 pounds keeps calling my name, on the other hand which rifle is lighter, which one feels best in your hands, which one shoulders and points the best for you? I would be surprised if either one would not shoot in a 308 but I could be wrong.

Go Sako and never look back.

My new Sako 85 SM Finnlight has made me a lifetime convert.

Sako is in a class of its own.

I sure hope the guys from Remington are reading this thread...

With Wrongman700 at the helm, Remington will now offer only Walnut stocked 30-06's.

I own both.

The Sako 85 is the best, out-of-the-box, rifle that I have EVER owned. Ever!

My Remington Ti was an absolute total P.O.S.!

It should NEVER have been allowed out of the factory - the way it was. After many - many - hours of gunsmithing - it's now a fine rifle.

Be VERY afraid of Remington's quality control - or more precisely - the lack of it.

With Remington - what you get - is what you get.

I got a rifle that shot 2 1/2 inch best groups - a severely fouling barrel, with an interior swell - and a rifle that wouldn't feed the final round in the magazine.

Sako on the other hand GUARANTEES - not three - but FIVE shots - into an inch - at 100 yards - and with FACTORY ammo! Not only is it very accurate - it has a great trigger, great magazine-clip system, great, slicker-than-ice-on-ice, controlled-round feeding - and great recoil attenuation.

Here's how my (7lb!) 375H&H shot - with the cheapest factory ammo I could find. That was a six shot group - with one called flyer.

Brian has said it all. Tikkas are equally good at a lower price.
Remington's high point was the 721/722 family just plain ugly tack drivers. Yeah I have two custom H&Hs built on 700 Classic actions but the 244 needed a SAKO extractor to work and the 400 was basically remachined from the ground up.

$600 rifle (Tikka), $2000 scope (Schmidt), both about as good as they come.

I have only had 2 Remington rifle's in my life , and they were both 742's in .243 and .308, and i must say both were JUNK. I finally relized (late in life) to buy a decent rifle. I bought a Sako 75, s/s synthetic in .300 RUM, the best rifle i have ever owned , topped with a 3x9 zeiss, shoot's all day under 1 inch. The old saying , ya get what ya pay for.