There are no articles by him in the new Hunting Horizons nor in the new Handloader. Anyone know if he has left these magazines? Or is it just temporary?

A few weeks ago Mule Deer made a comment that we wouldn't be seeing articles about obscure calibers any more from Ross in Rifle/Handloader for reasons he wouldn't be getting into here.

Ross no longer works for Wolfe Publishing, for reasons--once again--that I can't get into here.

MD

Hopefully he'll end up back at Petersen's. G&A hasn't been the same without him.

I recently hunted with the editor of G&A, and I sincerely doubt it.

MD

One version of the story was that he was about to start writing for a European shooting magazine. Maybe G&A needs him back now. There has been a pre-announcement that Venturino has gone over to Rifle/Handloader and Guns/American Handgunner.

Sounds like trouble. I've been reading Ross's stuff since 1982, and I'll sure miss him. Will we ever know the reason? It may be none of our business, but then again, his fans ought to have some inkling.

No more Seyfried?! I'd say Wolfe has greatly improved their publications. RS

I was never really hot nor cold about Ross, his topics didn't interrest me much but his writting wasn't all that bad.

I do miss Finn Aagard tho - and his son (I think its his son) really isn't as good IMHO.

Teal, I think that you are referring to Berit, Finn's widow. I find her articles interesting but a friend of mine considers her writing a waste of ink. To each his own..... RS

Ross was my hero; He had a Ruger rifle that would "hit a tomato soup can every time at 800 yds".
Such a gun ( and writer) will be hard to replace.
Take Care!

mec--

Let me a little more explicit. I recently hunted with the editor of G&A and Ross Seyfried came up in one conversation. Let's just say that judging from that conversation, the chances of him going back there and none and none.

MD

it did kinda-sorta sound like that was what you were saying. It sounds like one or both parties are disaffected-not an unusual condition in the world.
I wonder if the pre-announced move of venturino is true?

Maybe those rumors that Ross did his load development from a disk & really didn't do much shooting caught up to him?

Seyfried is a good and unique writer, it was nice to read a writer who could rebarrel arifle himself, make safe handloads for .500 express rifles etc. He and Barnes make the wolfe publications, the gene pool has just been lowered by half. Remember when rifle and handloader used to be full of real shooters experimenting with stuff? Siefried was that type of writer, I would love to buy his collected works. I have come to the conclusion that Al Miller is a code word at Wolfe publishing for old rehashed, rerun articles. What happened to Ken Waters?, he was excellent, wasn't Siefried his replacment? I am considering not buying wolfe pub. any more, the price is to high for one good article by barnses per magazine.I think maybee precision shooting, the accurate rifle, the double gun journal are better bets for my money. Wolfe pub. have gotten much better the last few years, (still not as good as Ken Howell days) these years coinsided with the years Siefried was there. I am very disapointed to here this news, again I like and respect Barnsnes work, but one good writer per magazine is not enough.

I agree that Ross was, and no doubt still is, a good writer but nothing remains the same. Change will always come, if it didn't Bob Hagel would still be writing for the Wolfe publications and I would be as happy as a hog in mud if he still was.

I am just happy for certain articles I have read that Ross wrote in the past. Whatever the reason is he won't be writing for certain publications in the future does not concern me because I a not bound by any law to buy those publications if they don't satisfy me.

Few people knew Finn Aagaard before he started writing in the U.S. for various publications and for my money he was one of the greatest blue-collar writers there was. Who the next such person will be is an unknown at the present time, but I guarentee you one will surface because they always do. Even Mule deer won't write forever, as well as the other writers we now enjoy on this forum!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I for one will simply move on and be glad for the great writers we do have and try not worry to long about those that are gone or leaving because that is something I can't change. I will remember certain ones forever, and will use them as a standard to compare new ones to as reading what I want to is something I can do something about. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'll greatly miss Seyfried. He wrote about guns that he really liked and was excited about. The enthusiasm came through in his writing. Some of his interests weren't my primary ones but I liked that he was showing me something new. Too many gun mags are becoming nothing but advertising copy for gun and ammo manufacturers.........DJ

I really enjoyed reading Ross' stuff. I hope he won't have to start the old .270 vs .30-06 articles just to get a new gig! I like the fact that he often went to great extremes to get some obscure rifle to shoot a bullet as it was originally designed to do. I can't think of any more unique bullet casters out there than him either..

Mike

He was an early champion in the International Practical Shooting Association Matches and was never dependent on the gun industry to make a living. His interests were wide- ranging and esoteric and included some extremely powerful 19th century rifles and uncommon handguns from the same era.

When he started, the gun magazines were much more important to shooters than they are now. The circulation of Guns and Ammo and Shooting times are a fraction of what they were in 1990 or even 1998. ( they picked up a bit in circulation during the last six months).

It appears that material in the shooting magazines have narrowed in scope and there's not as much room for such things as two-bore double rifles and Webley-Wilkerson revolvers.

� I haven't read Seyfried � don't get the magazines that he wrote for.



� My understanding has always been that he's an able writer who knows whereof he writes, well regarded by his readers and by the writers who know him. (I don't know him.)



� Just after I'd published Designing and Forming Custom Cartridges, we ran into each other at the SHOT Show. He lit into me like I'd stolen his wallet or worse. Obviously very angry, he demanded to know why in *&^%$#@! I'd given credit for some cartridge or other (he didn't say which) to a later "originator" instead of to the person who'd designed an earlier version of it. I replied that I'd simply used the reliable data that I'd been able to get and hadn't used any hearsay dimensions or unsubstantiated rumors.



"Have you seen the book?" I asked (knowing that he hadn't gotten a copy from me). He looked surprised by the question.



"No."



� I know nothing more about the man � neither better nor worse � certainly nothing of his current situation or what's next for him.



� And I have no opinion of him. One isolated incident with no enlightening background tells little or nothing of the fullness of a man's personality or worth. Our sole meeting could equally well be typical or unusual.

I once ran into him at an industry show and asked him if he had run into an editor of our mutual acquaintance. He said something like " Thankfully, no." This did seem ungracious but savoir-faire doesn't seem to be part of the job description. It was very pleasant to run into folks like Dean Grennell because he never did seem full of himself. Another sixgun hero I met at an NRA show seemed about ready to regurgitate a load of Tequilla onto my shoes. Another one scarfing down lunch in the press room was crouched over his plate growling and gimlet-eyeing everybody in the room that might rush in and abscound with his din-din.

Anyway on paper, in the early days, Seyfreid explored some interesting stuff and wrote it up with articulate enthusiasm.

I always liked Ross S. but I did not have any interest in the old black powder rifles he liked to write about but that is just my opinion.

Concerning Berit Aagaard, I hope to see more of her writing, I'm sure she could also use the financial gains as well. When her husband Finn died, I wrote her a letter (in care of Wolfe Publishing) expressing my sympathy and high regards for her husband and she wrote one of the nicest letters back to me that I have ever received. Her father was, at one time, the Norwegian ambassador to Kenya. If you haven't read Finn's book I would highly recommend it.

Thanks...Bill.

Always liked Ross, but my favorite writers were Skeeter Skelton and E. Keith.
It's hell getting old and out-living your favorite writers...
Virgil B. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Dean Grennell was one of the best. He was said to be heavy on the booze, was deaf as a stone, and in his last years (I'm told) was hard to work with and seldom sober. But in all our contacts and correspondence, I never saw any indication of the reported dark side. He was witty, knowledgeable, a skillful woodworker and photographer, and an ingenious improvisor. A very special friend � I miss him mightily.

Ken Waters is one of my all-time favorite people, too. But he has retired, so we aren't likely to see any more of his writing � certainly no regular stuff but maybe an occasional piece after his creative juices have been "lying fallow" for a while. I hope that he'll produce at least an occasional piece in days ahead.

I can't imagine either of these two men ever being anything but gracious gentlemen.

Grennell wrote the definitive work on Sensory-Neural-deafness. It would have been right at home in a medical journal or in the Saturday Evening Post of a generation ago.

"...you can hear the words just fine. You just can't tell WHAT words they are. Somebody will say 'Government Pension' and you will hear 'doberman pincher'......."

I ran into him years later at an NRA convention and noticed he had double miracle ear hearing aides. Asked him how they worked... " Great! I used to go to the grocery store and all I heard was &%^^&ing gibberish!" Now, I go to the grocery store and I hear LOUD &*^&%ing Gibberish!"

Dean could've been one of the old gun writers at the range (in the old gag):

"Windy today, isn't it?"

"Nah, it's Thursday."

"Me too. Let's go have a beer."

Dean had them sitting around a table. "Got me a new hearing aide and I can hear as good as I ever could!. " "Really! What Kind is it?" [looks at watch] "Three O'clock."

mec--

The announced move of Mike Venturino to the Wolfe magazines is true. In fact, Mike came by here a few weeks ago and we had a good talk about it. He will be a great addition to the magazines.

MD

"What goes around comes around."

Mike Venturino � one of today's best gun writers and all-around good guy � got his start at Wolfe Publishing Company in 1979-1980 but wasn't treated very well there after his work in other magazines gave him much broader opportunity and renown.

I hope the current wheels at WPC recognize, this time around, what a coup they've pulled-off by getting him back. He deserves more and better than he got there just a few years ago, when the Editor would hold Mike's material for looooooooooong periods and not pay him for it until after it had been published � pretty shabby treatment for such an able and widely respected staff writer.

Being new to rifles and avid shooting, I'll miss Seyfried's articles. His stuff, for the most part, was unique compared to what I've seen in other magazines.

Never met the guy, but he seems to have an opinion on most anything and feels that his way is the BEST way. I did find it interesting to read his article and find another article in the same issue or recent/future issue by a different writer that had a different take on the same subject. Case in point is his treatment of the .458 Win Mag and that of Phil Shoemaker's. Definitely different opinions.

Looking forward to reading Venturino's stuff as I've not read any of his stuff before, that I know of anyway.

It's verified that he's on staff at Guns and American Handgunner too. He should draw in some new readers for all of them. Wolff circulation numbers dont seem to be available but the Spring 04 numbers for the others look like this:

Guns and Ammo 454,442 -up
Shooting times 175,873 - up
Primedia Net Loss
Handguns 120,796-down

American Handgunner 106,810-down
Guns 73,186-up
FMG Net Gain

I didn't always agree with what he said, but I did usually enjoy his writing. As mentined above, Barsness and Seyfried are (were) the chief reasons I would buy a RIFLE or HANDLOADER magazine simply because I saw their byline in the table of contents.

I could take or leave his articles on obsolete rifles, but appreciated his common sense approach to most things hunting.

I will miss his writing.

I have enjoyed Ross Seyfried's articles, from his early published work to his most recent. I read his material whenever I can, and have even bought individual copies of periodicals for particular articles, except for Double Gun Journal (too expensive, unless I can find used copies). While I have no intention of ever trying to develop loads for antique or carriage-trade weapons that I can't afford to even fantasize owning, I am glad that Ross Seyfried and others have done the necessary experimenting to learn how and then have taken the trouble to tell the rest of us how to do it too. The centerfire black powder express is an old technology, but it worked, and I enjoyed learning how and why and how to do it myself if I ever have the time, money, opportunity and desire. His article about his experiments to learn how to make a Paradox work were valuable to me, not because I own or have access to a Paradox, but because I'm fascinated by all aspects of firearms technology. Mike Venturino has done a lot of the same kind of work, but with a nineteenth century American emphasis. I own some of Mike Venturino's books and I'd like to own a book or three by Ross Seyfried about his experiments, hunts and evaluations of old firearms. That means that I also enjoy Seyfried's hunting tales. I admit that I have a lot more "know about" knowledge than "know how." My own shooting and hunting experience is "long but thin," to quote one of Jack O'Connor's more memorable lines. I haven't yet seen or read any evidence that Ross Seyfried's articles were ever based on anything other than what he had actually done, whether experimenting or hunting. So I am going to miss Ross Seyfried and his articles. If anyone can learn where his future work will be published, or his past work collected, whether in book or in periodical form, please let me know. I understand that some people may be subject to business or personal obligations that forbid them to comment further, but if anyone else who has no such prohibitions cluttering his or her life has or gets information about Ross Seyfried's work and its availability, please let the rest of us know at once. And if anyone wants to send me a personal message with that information, I'll be most grateful.

Ken,
Would that editor that gave Mike a raw deal now be writing a political column for another journal?
You are right on about Mike being a class act. I like him very much. He's genuine, one of a kind, and writes a good story.
Don Buckbee

I easn't aware Mr. Grenell had passed, he was an exceptional honest writer. He was almost the only writer I ever read who critisised the design of most reloading presses, like rockchuckers ... I bought my C&H heavyweight champion because of him and love it. Venturino is writing for wolfe now, so what is the editor going to write about? doesn't Venturino write only about blackpowder cartridge stuff. If Siefried is writing for Guns magazine, I will start buying it, I have a feeling the recent upgrade in quality of rifle and handloader is about to reverse itself.

Wonder if Seyfried will go back to an occasional article for Blackpowder Hunting? His pieces there were standouts. Small mag with few pro writers, but nice mag. Back to Wolfe, really hate to see Clair Rees returning. His "in-depth" work truly belongs in G&A or some such.

Blackhawk,

You are a man of incredible understatement. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Steve

I agree, Ree's belongs in G&A, and he should take Al Miller with him and send back Ross.

I take it that it is unanimous re Clair Rees. How many times can two articles, on full-length stock carbines, and compact scopes, be published in different magazines? If it wasn't so ridiculous it would be funny!

You forgot the ones on .308s and 22lr's! I loved the article in Successful Hunter where Mr. Rees was testing out some binos and a riflescope on a whitetail hunt in Sask. He ended up shooting the 'wrong' buck at 80yds even with the ~$2K in optics he had with him! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Idared,

Couldn't aggree more. Change is inevitable, and the world won't stop spinning just because R.S. no longer writes for Wolfe. I enjoyed the hell out of his coverage of oddball guns, and will miss his articles, but he ain't the first, nor will he be the last to cover such things. He had his faults as well. He blasted the .458 Win Mag based on experience back when it was a problem. He also deemed the .340 Weatherby as all the gun needed for Alaskan Brown Bear, based on shooting one sleeping bear at fairly long range.

Glad to hear Mike Venturino is now on the Wolfe payroll. I bought other rags at the news stand just to read his stuff. Now I won't have to. Anyone who does a chapter on the .40-90 Sharps Bottleneck(in his excellent book Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the West) is OK in my book. I must admit to a little predjudice, 'cause I have one!

Jeff

"Variety is the spice of life", and Ross' articles were definitely varied. Didn't always agree, but I always read them because I learned something.
Yes, there has been a strong trend down in the writing of Handloader/Rifle. Hate to beat a dead horse, but the Rees fellow just isn't very interesting; although he's been writing for Wolfe for a LONG time.

Speaking of blue collar writers like Finn (long rest his soul!!!), what ever happend to that little bearded fellow from Alaska who went to town once a year and built 505 Gibbs rifles FOR FUN? I can't remember his name right now, and my back issues are in another room, but this fellow was wonderful fun. I ran into him at The Alaska Professional Hunters Assoc. booth during the SCI show in Reno. I was looking for Mel Gillis, the guide from our honeymoon, and ended up talking to this fellow for about an hour. Then ran into him as I entered the Firearms Engravers Guild show and he gave me a first rate tour of the booths and introductions to the makers of merit. We jointly rolled our eyes at the prices of some guns and took apart a few of the really interesting ones. I was surprised how eager the really good custom makers were to show you "under the hood". Phil Shoemaker, that was his name. His writing was as unassuming and practical as Finn's. Anyone know who if anyone he's still writing for?

Safe Hunting,

Clint

Clair Rees advocating BSA scopes in Rifleshooter awhile back. LOLS!

MtnHtr

Southpaw--

I believe that you'll occasionally run across Phil S in Succ Hunter.

GDV

I assume Ross will still be writing for Double Gun Journal. I find him one of our best writers, certainly one with a great deal of real world experience. I share his enthusiasm for old doubles, and he communicates the feelings that go along with taking old pieces back to the field. Don't know anything, obviously, about his problems with his employers, but I'll buy whatever magazine publishes him.

As a matter of fact Phil does a regular column for SUCCESSFUL HUNTER, along with frequent features.

MD

dittos, Phil is a great read!!!

Mule Deer's last post made me realize that I meant to say Successful Hunter instead of Hunting Horizons in my post. I'm glad to see that John has the back page column now in Handloader.

Thanks! Next time it will be a little more substantial.

JB

Hey, the Haiku's are great. Now I know you're a man of both danger and culture. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

RSY

I can't recall a single case of RS shilling for a major manufacturers'
hot new whiz bang. That alone puts him in rare company in my opinion.

1B

I think Ross's lack of "shilling" is why he has had to move on, although he did do an article on scopes a while ago that was standard gunwriter pap, not naming the makes and models he had problems with, It is the only time I have seen in his writing that he didn,t tell it honestly, or maybe it was the editing that made it look that way.

i really enjoyed Phil S.'s article about his ugly 458 Mauser awhile back. ive reread it several times along with most of John B.'s and Ross's articles. my fiance thinks im nuts to keep around all those magazines but they come in real handy when winter hits hard after hunting season.

Rattler

This thread on Ross Seyfriend has taken several twists and has probably gone on long enough, but I want to make this observation before it's finished: In our world (meaning us shooters), we hold most gun writers up on a pedestal and consider them as being larger-than-life celebrities (the obvious exception being, of course, Clair Rees, who in all honestly seems like a nice guy, but his articles are, to be generous, a joke). In fact, given our inclinations, we probably place them above Hollywood stars and gazillionaire athletes on the idol scale. What's strange is that, unlike other celebrities, we actually know very little about them and their personal lives other than what they willingly disclose to us in monthly publications, which usually isn't very much.

Ross Seyfriend is a good example. I've never met him, or any gunwriter, in person, but I've read pretty much everything he's ever written since 1982, when he first appeared in Guns & Ammo. He began his public life as a world champion handgun competitor and Colorado cattle rancher. Now more than twenty years later, he's an elk guide and outfitter with his son in Oregon. His early articles showed his lineage to Elmer Keith and focused on guns that were the biggest and baddest for whatever application was at hand (like the 10 gauge, the .340 Weatherby, and big-bore Hamilton Bowen revolvers, to name a few). He shot a Cape buffalo with a revolver, then went through a long series on barrel-burner rifle cartridges. He's pretty much turned his back on the competitive handgun shooting scene, and lately he has almost exclusively devoted his writing to antique and/or obscure arms and ammunition. He's never come right out and said it, but I've always had the impression that he's something of a recluse. Glimpses into his personal life have been very scarce. One thing his writing did make perfectly clear was that he has an opinion about everything, and his opinions run either hot or cold. Objectivity is not his strong suit. His strong opinions have alienated some, even some of his fans. Some of the things he has said even I've taken with a grain of salt. But, after all, nobody's perfect, and he always seemed to have a sense of style that looked good on him, even when he was obviously way over the top.

And now something controversial and possibly scandalous has happened, and his legions of fans really have no way of knowing about it. Some will blindly follow his byline to wherever it lands. Others will shrug it off and find a new hero to worship. Others like me will continue to wonder: Is there some subtle hint of a major character defect in his twenty years' worth of writing that I've missed? That provides a clue to what happened? Is he dishonest? Did he get indicted? Is he a crack addict? A cross-dresser? A sell-out? Maybe he's just a jerk? Unfortunately, unlike Hollywood, we don't have any shooting tabloids that make their living from dishing out the dirt (whether fact or fiction) on gunwriters.

Another good example is Gary Sitton. He was a heck of a good writer, but his stories seemed to hint that he was plagued by unspecified personal problems, which apparently forced him to vanish from the scene, much to our disappointment. Wherever you are Gary, your fans miss you and are pulling for you.

So I guess I'm left with mixed feelings about finding out what happened to Ross. In a way, I share the common morbid sense of curiosity like those onlookers at the aftermath of a train wreck. And, I suppose I share a certain amount of concern for one of my childhood heroes, which feels kind of weird considering I really don't even know the guy. And then there is the fear that whatever it is, it'll knock the pedestal out from under him that I constructed as a twelve-year-old G&A subscriber.

I guess I'll just have to accept Mule Deer's invocation of gunwriter's privilege on this one, which is probably evidence of considerable maturity and self-restraint on his part, and take comfort in the fact that Ross's stories added a lot of value to my early life, and whatever personal shortcomings he may have won't ever change that one way or another.

gperry--a good and thoughtful post. I guess whatever issue has arisen with Seyfried will eventually surface in the gunrags or on the web. One thing for sure, it won't be payola, since he didn't shill for anybody---in fact I can't remember the last article he wrote about a gun whose maker wasn't long in his grave. No advertising dollars there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

gperry,
Great post, I could take Ross or leave him, some of his articles I really liked, at other times I thought he was talking down to me. I guess we'll never know what happened, from the tone of Mule Deer and Dogzapper's comments it would appear there was no love lost between them, but it's really just a morbid sense of curiosity rather than felling a huge loss.

Some years ago, I called him since he was a reference for an Outfitter I wanted to hunt with. He gave me all the low down he had, yep and no and yea you will have a good time and he runs a good camp. He asked me what kind of rifle I was going to take, I told him that I was having a ULA Model 24 built and chambered for the 6.5 x 55 and a fixed 6 x 42 mm Leupold. Also it would be matte finnished and a 24 inch barrel. The whole conversation turned on a dime and we talked about rifles and loads for dam near an hour. I would love to share a hunting camp with him. My guess is that maybe he is just tired, people do get tired now and again. People who write, and it don't matter much if its novels, tech books or what have you every now and again get writers block. Ross had a good one in the last Rifle about of all things Original un screwed up Martinis from Nepal. Ross is a anglophile and he makes no bones about it. In the same issue, you could read about Mule Deer's 416's not that Ross did not write about them, 9.3 's from Chub Eastman and a simple bit of writing about how to determine if you are a Rifle Loon. Never mind about a scope that you can take photographs with! September 2004 was a very good issue of Rifle. Well I will miss not seeing Ross in Rifle and Handloader, that dose not mean I will stop reading.

Just my opinion, but...
RS is pretty independent. Once he forms an opinion, he'll tell you what it is.
What he makes writing probably doesn't keep him in primers.
He doesn't suffer fools gladly.
He writes about what interests him now. I don't remember him cranking out any recent articles about something he researched ten years ago. There are some writers who have made carreers out of the same six articles.
I'll hate to see him go, and will be buying fewer Wolfe mags in the future because of his departure.
As far as other writers opinion of him...well, writers, like lawyers, plumbers and mechanics, seldom have anything good to say about their competition.

fwiw,
I concur.

It took me a little bit of time to appreciate Ross Seyfried's Articles. However that appreciation has led to countless hours of insightful reading were I almost always come away feeling was "Time well spent" to quote Jack Perkins. In short Mr. Seyfried will be missed and his absence will cheapen the magazine(s).(imho)

I read Rifle & Handloader almost exclusively for Ross Seyfried, Mule Deer, and the occasional article by Phil Shoemaker..

Clair Rees seems to be a nice guy but I can't think of a recent article of his that did not suck and on numerous levels. The same goes for Stan Trzoniec and Brian Pierce. If I never read another article on LEEVER action rifles by our [bleep] Kicking Friend in the Cowboy Boots it just may be too soon...

Regards, Matt Garrett
Chesapeake, Virginia <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

gperry,

I wish I'd written that.

Jaywalker

I have nothing against Seyfried and really don't care to know the dirt. May he live long and prosper! He had things to say but was often bogged down in a pompous tone and lacked the primary prerequisite for being a gunwriter; the actual ability to string sentences together in a gramatically sound fashion! I'll bet he gave every editor he ever worked with fits.

gperry
That was one of the best posts I have ever read. Thanks. FWIW, I like RS writings and hope that he surfaces in any one of the rags I read.
Stay well,
Paul

gperry, that was a great post. I wish I could/would have written it. Thoughtful and full of insight about how I feel too.

horkin yorkin--

I can assure you that it was not Ross's lack of "shilling" that caused the separation. Any magazine is to a certain extent beholden to its advertisers, but of all the gun/hunting magazines I've written articles for (and that's most in the business), the Wolfe magazines are the least advertiser-sensitive. Which is one reason I work for them.

As a matter of fact, I recently became aware that a certain American firearms firm had liberally screwed a subcontractor, who happens to be a friend of mine. I called the editor at Wolfe, Dave Scovill, and told him I could no longer in good conscience write about that firm's firearms, and also told him why. Dave understood completely, and backed me up. His level headed-response was to not write about them for the immediate future, but also to wait and see how the situation worked out.

I can also assure you that Ross's stuff didn't get edited very much at all, as that was part of the deal when he signed on at Wolfe. I know this because I was one of the people that encouraged him to come on board. Ross isn't independently wealthy, but he never did have to worry much about putting a roof over his head either. This allowed him a certain degree of independence in his writing and lifestyle. He is to a certain extent a recluse, and became even more of one after he moved to the ranch in Oregon six years ago. But he is indeed a very avid shooter and warms up quickly to anybody else who shares his passion.

MD

I subscribed to Rifle, Handloader and Successful Hunter initially for the Ross Seyfried articles. I have developed a tremendous interest in old rifles and how to load for them in the last few years. Ross' articles were great - always informative and "fun." I even wrote him once about a rifle I had in .375 2 1/2" flanged express and he sent me back a real nice letter with all the load data he knew about. He was (and is) a straight shooter. I will miss him.

My subscription is up for these magazines and I'm going to think hard about whether I want to keep getting them - not that there weren't other articles that I enjoyed by other writers, but none as much as Ross'. I looked forward to them every issue.

I have read Venturino, and he's pretty good, but he seems to be limited to American arms, mostly of the 19th century. I'm all for hunting with old lever actions or big Sharps but I have a feeling all the great British and Continental firearms from the same time period and into the 20th century will never be considered again.

John

I don't know or care what the problem is between Ross and his publisher. I do know that I always seemed to find his writing interesting and often useful in my own shooting. I will miss his work and wish him the best. I'm not sure that if I had a nice place in Oregon I wouldn't become a recluse as well.

Gperry,

I have been thinking about the content of your post for several days now. But I wanted to be careful how I put it into words. Likely, You did it much more eloquently than I would have. I have a tendency to be a bit blunt occasionally. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As we all know, a writer cannot be everything a reader wants to all the readers. I have read some of Ross' stuff that I enjoyed. (And some I didn't care for)

You are absolutely on the mark comparing them to hero worship. I know I've been guilty of that very thing myself. Also, I think we have a tendency to compare them to some of the past writers of our younger years. I often think to myself what Elmer might have said about some comment a current writer makes.

In contrast, what I like about the writers on board here is that they seem exactly the opposite of what I am used to. They are down-to-earth and in touch with us almost personally. I very much appreciate being able to talk to them on even terms.

At various times I have subscribed to all of the mainstream publications. But now Rifle and Handloader are the only ones I subscribe to. But over the last many years I have seen a lot of writers come and go. I lament the loss of Sam Fadala, Jim Wilson, Wayne VanZwoll, and others that I can't think of at the moment.

But what I dislike the most is that Wolfe used to publish a lot of unknown writers and ones who are just starting out. I don't see that anymore and I particularly lament that loss. But I'll stick with them anyway. That being said, I particularly enjoyed Chub Eastman in the last Handloader. So I guess there is a bright side...Just my $.02...the9.3guy

I first was exposed to Ross when I went to Gunsite the first time (in the Orange Era when Jeff Cooper owned and operated the school). There was a life-sized image of Ross on the classroom wall celebrating his winning of the IPSC world chanpionship, IIRC (with the saying "You can't miss fast enough".) I understand he was on the staff for some while in the early days.

I have read Ross' stuff in the Wolfe magazines for some years, and I came to regard him in the same way I did Skeeter Skelton. I was always uninterested in handguns, but I always read Skeeter's stuff and I came to regard handguns as interesting as rifles because of his writing. I now regard those old rifles that Ross has illuminated as interesting too. For example if you haven't, take a read on his article on the Davide Pedersoli flinter. That is my idea of a hunter's primitive rifle in contrast to the flock of cheap inline MLs on the market.

From time to time I would disagree with Ross, but not very frequently -- and over what would seem minor arcana to most.

Overall I find his work wonderful, but then I don't know the person. I think I will bug the publications editor at SCI to consider Ross.

I must be on the SCI Board for some reason. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

jim

Steve NO; Jaywalker; CCMDoc; Rolly; martinbns; 9.3 Guy: Thanks for the kind words. I guess the thing for me that made Ross hero-worthy was his ability to use stories and photos in a way that made me say "I want to grow up and be like him." No matter whether he was writing about revolvers, double-barrel shotguns, or custom rifles, he had a certain captivating style that made me want to experience that, too. He also had probably the broadest range of expertise of any gunwriter in history. He was an African professional hunter/world champion pistolero/Elmer Keith protege who could tell you how to make paper-patched bullets for your Holland & Holland rook rifle, build screamer coyote loads for your custom .22-250 Imp. or design blackpowder goose loads for your damascus-barreled shotgun. If anybody ever had the right to be opinionated, it was probably him. I shouldn't make fun of Clair Rees, because even though I doubt his stories inspire anyone to want to be just like him, at least he had the guts to say "I want to be a gunwriter," and then went out and did it, whereas the rest of us wannabes just linger on the sidelines.

Hunter Jim: Somewhere in my collection of old gun magazines, I have an American Handguner from the early 1980's that has a subscription advertisement picturing a young and determined Ross Seyfriend sporting a baseball cap, ear muffs, gaudy flowery western shirt straight from the 70's, and a moderately customized 1911 jumping off a barricade during an early IPSC shoot. You have to look hard to recognize him, but it's definitely him. It makes me laugh when I think of seeing people like Rob Leatham on American Shooter on TV all decked out in flashy sponsor's clothing and making a huge amount of money as a professional competitor, shooting instructor and product endorser. Nothing against Rob Leatham, but times sure have changed!

Some interesting thoughts here on this subject. GPerry, good job.

Ross is not my hero, but I followed his interest into the world of odd old European firearms, and understand his passion for them. My recent acquisitions are all more than twice my age, and I wonder what led gun builders to forget the art our forebearers new so well. 4#6 for a double barrel shotgun is so...elegant.

Ross did one thing that gets my BP up whenever it crosses my mind. HOW did he paper patch roundballs so neatly? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> He never explained it, and that is cruel and unusual. I am all thumbs...but my conicals do well. Thanks Ross.

Well, he'd be welcome at my campfire, and I wish him well. Hope he stays on board with DGJ. Muledeer, you're in the same league if not stadium. Hope Mike can back you up at HL and Rifle. In a figurative way, I think you're in need of some help there.

Regards,

Dan

Actually, I like Stan's articles for one reason-the photos... I assume he does them-he's often pictured with a camera. In my opinion, he does the best gun photos of anyone today.

That said, I shall miss Ross. I really enjoyed reading about the "old ones"... Ventroino (sp?) will probably be a good addition to Wolf Publishing, but I have just never warmed up to his writing-probably because I have no great interest in what he writes about...

Ross was one of very damned few,that I looked forward to reading.

My perception was/is,that he doesn't blow smoke. I can respect that and thought that he communicated his insight well.

None of the rags are worth a [bleep] anymore IMHO and that too,is troubling.................

Ditto what Stick just said about R.S., and 99.9% of the rags....

Catnthehat

Pedestal1--

Stan Trzoniec owned a huge profesisonal photo shop in upstate New York until he semi-retired recently. He not only takes supber firearms photos, but does a lot for model railroad magazines!

There are quite a few guys in our business who aren't great writers, but take great photos. The magazines would be dull indeed if they were just words with no pretty pictures....

MD

When I get a bit older I'll be expecting the "Braille" edition to include lots of Dillon ads...

When I picked up an issue of Rifle or Handloader, I always looked first to see what Seyfried was writing about. His articles often determined if I bought the magazine. I'll continue to look at both magazines, but I'm sure I'll be buying Guns more often than I had been. His writing style can be a bit odd at times, but the subjects always seem to catch my interest. I'm quite happy to hear he'll still be published.

Ok, MD-that explains it. But please tell whoever is in charge of such things NOT to split a full length rifle photo over 2 pages! Just publish more detail pics! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

One of my pet peeves, too.

The bird who does the layouts pastes 'em down (both facing pages) on boards that don't bend in the middle, so those double-truck photos look really sharp on the solid, flat layout boards.

Pointing this out once, I picked-up a magazine at random and riffled through it until I found a double-truck layout that was even worse than I'd been talking about. It was a scene photo, and the cutline below it called attention to a small detail in the center of the photo � which had disappeared into the gutter between the pages. I'm sure that important detail had been easy to see and study on the layout board, but it simply wasn't there in the printed and bound magazine.

I hate it when they flip-flop the negatives!

Used to happen a lot in bike mags, but I have seen right handed Fred bears, left handed SSA's ,etc. drives me nuts!

catnthehat

Hold the train, boys. I haven't bought any mags lately. Where was a haiku? I'll buy that one.

Best wishes to RS. His work made good reading about stuff I'm not really interested in, namely historic rifles and making them shoot, and not many folks do that for me. And he never struck me as being one of those fellows with mediocre knowledge of his specialties. Like him or not, the guy is usually interesting.

I've never thrown a Handloader or Rifle out yet, but haven't gotten either regularly in the past three years, so SheWhoRules lifted the death threats, now that the pile ain't getting thicker by the month.

When we moved a few years ago and I had to cull the stash, only those two collections survived. She pointed at the heaps of gun mags and said THEY ain't making the trip, so I just got to keep the good stuff. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Never did warm up to Seyfried. At first his constant references to Elmer annoyed me, or maybe it was his little safari shorts and the pics of him posed with a pistol? Got the impression somewhere along the line that he was a tad too haughty for my taste and never shook it.

The current crop of scribblers represented here suit me fine, although I miss Bob Milek and Finn, since both reflected my simple tastes in firearms and utility of purpose. Just my nickel's worth. Venturino is ok and I liked Sundra, if only 'cause he once had a M788 pictured in his columns' artwork. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Ross was also a favored read here. Especially enjoyed his story telling. He could make you hear the Apsen leaves and feel the breeze that caused them them to russle, carrying the scent of Elk...very good wordsmith, IMHO. Staightforward, no nonsense, knowledgeable delivery. Exactly what I expect from someone I'm seeking information from. This is not good news. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

It�s great to see this thread take a positive turn. I don�t know Ross or have any idea why he is leaving, but few things irk me more than guilt by innuendo.

I don't think a lot of people think anyone is guilty or innocent here. To me it is a matter of two parties heading in a different direction. Hey, it happens all the time.



I will always remember certain articles Ross wrote. One especially being the article he did on the 338-378 KT wildcat and watching Elmer Keith use it to kill what was probably his last bull elk. I still have that magazine and always will. But, now things will be different and no doubt someone else will pick up the torch. When I first read of Ross it was in the American Handgunner. He was a cattle rancher in Colorado and an aspiring IPSC world chanpionship contender. His professional shooting schedule revolved somewhat around his cattle's schedule and when they were calving he wasn't to be seen at certain competitions. Being a cattleman of sorts, that endured me to him a good bit and the fact he was a good friend of Elmer Keith pretty well sealed the deal. But, his life has finished one chapter and he evidently is starting the next one. I'm all for letting that happen without a lot of speculating or surmising. Obviously there are a few who know the whole story and no doubt more of it will come out someday. If it doesn't, I will still remember him writing about being with Elmer on that hunt on horseback in the snow in the high country, and be grateful that he put it on paper for me to read.



Yes, time marches on and as a book is comprised of many chapters so is a person's life. I hope Ross enjoys the next chapter in his life and I look forward to Mike Venturino and other writers at Wolfe Publishing adding to their life stories while entertaining us. There are any number of great writers who have ceased writing or finished their final chapter in their life's book. Mr Howell reported on one writer, who I enjoyed a lot, who appears to be getting closer to the final chapter in his book. Things like that are sad for us readers, but they do happen never the less. I do hope Mule Deer and others on this forum don't decide to start new chapters in their life's book very soon though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />



If I could have one other wish about a magazine writer, besides seeing Gary Sitton's name on a few new articles, it would be to see some more writing by tsquare on custom rifles. A new book would be the greatest gift I could imagine. Did you hear me Tom?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />



Many thanks to all the great writers on this forum. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Idared,

I'm listening Larry. Sorry for not jumping in now and then over the past couple months but I've been out of the net, back east with family illnesses. I just got back home a couple days ago and have been snowed since. At any rate, there's a custom rifle piece in the current issue (Sept/Oct) of RifleShooter you might enjoy. I am also working on another book that should be out early next year sometime. I was due to have it to the publisher (Krause) on September 1 but missed that deadline due to my extended absence from home. I'm trying to get my work done by mid-November and after that, it's up to the publisher when it will be out. Anyway, sorry I missed you guys while I was out of the net.

Tom

Trying my second post...as first did not work.

HOLY COW...it worked.

MD

Was Ross' father a PH in Africa? Seems like I read that somewhere years ago. Thanks...

tsquare

Tom, I'm sorry to hear of your family illnesses. I hope things are improving for you on that end.

Thanks much also for the tip on the magazine article. I will look for it this week on the news stands. I will be anxious for your new book and trust you will let us know when it is a reality.

Thanks again.

model70man--

I don't think so. At least I never heard a word of it.

MD

Looks like now I'll have little reason to buy handloader anymore <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Yeah, Ross was opiniated, but I enjoy folks that have conviction, and could care less about offending others. I don't think he necessarily intended to offend others in his writing, he just didn't make any effort to be pc <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />



The mention of the "little bearded guy" in Alaska when referring to Phil Shoemacher was kinda funny, as he stands either 6-4 or 6-6. he also posts over on AR occasionally, as 458 win. I'd like to see more of his articles as well.

What's the URL for AR forum?

accuratereloading.com

458 Lott--

You must not be thinking of the same Phil Shoemaker. The Alaskan guide who writes for SUCCESSFUL HUNTER is right around my height, and I'm 5'8". I know him well.

By the way, "could care less about offending others" isn't necessarily a virtue. It is indeed one reason Ross is no longer with Wolfe, but has as much to do with his life outside the printed page as inside.

MD

I started subscribing to Wolfe magazines because I was tried of the same old "in-depth," sugar coated, boring, thinly veiled product advertisement, what's the latest product, stories that I got in all the other magazines. Guys like Barsness, Ross, Ken, and so on had good stories that weren't always the same old predictable stuff. Regardless of why he is leaving the readers of Wolfe Publications have lost a good author. And while Ross may not have been "playing nice" with everyone, he had good stories. It is a sad day at Wolfe when Ross is lost and Al Miller, Stan (not going to try and spell it), and Brian (who is trying to recreate himself as Elmer Kieth) are still there. I really don't mean to insult those last 3 guys but their stuff belongs in G&A, Shooting Times, or Hunting.

Now for those of you complaining about Ross' stuff about old british, white smoke belching cannons. How are you going to like Venturino dressing up like a giant mountain man with an ancient lever gun or rolling block every issue. In fact it seems with Scovil's, Venturino's, and sometimes Brian's interests, the modern centerfire rifle loony may not have much of a home anymore at Wolfe Publications.

Keep up the good work Mule Deer I just got my latest Handloader and I'm trying to save your article so I don't read the good stuff first and then am left with the rest.

Model70Man & MD,

I was under that misapprehension for some time too, but Ross himself was a PH in Africa. I was just talking to another American who spent a lot of time employed in ration hunting in Africa, and who knows Ross from those days now long past.

jim

Ralphie--

Fear not. There will be plenty of modern centerfire stuff in the Wolfe pages. There will still even be stuff on older guns from places like England and Germany, not just the American West.

You will be seeing the boys you list, still, however. Partly that is because different people have different tastes. Brian Pearce is one of the most popular writers on staff.

MD

Mule Deer
I am glad to hear that Brian Pierce is a popular writer. I like his articles because they are unpretentious. I think he has a lot of experience in hunting in conditions very similar to what the average hunter in the Rocky Mountains experiences. I don't expect much more of a writer than to write honestly and interestingly about relevant experiences, and Brian does that well.
I am just glad Scovill gives you guys the lattitude he does. By doing that, each article has some individuality, not like the cookie cutter article in some other magazines.

Royce

Personally-I enjoyed the writings of Ross, not all of it was my cup of tea, but which writer always writes what I/we like anyway!? Or for that matter which of the writers actually think the way we do? I would suppose a lot of them disagree with our thought processes as well.

I've only converesed with him (Ross) once and found him to be patient and helpful with me.

I also like the writing of John B and of Brian Pierce, they both seem to be the type that have really been there done that and more than once. And, I feel that all three of these gents have been there and done that quite a bit and not just on a hunt to write a article and that they truly enjoy the hunt and what they do. And that they would keep doing it as much as possible if they were not writing anymore.

This much I can say that there are a ton of writers out there that I would never care to share a camp with, however these 3 gents (along with Sitton, Page, Bowman, Hagle, Keith, JOC, Jobson, Milek, Aagard) I would defiantely enjoy sharing a camp with and would enjoy getting to know each and every one and what I could learn from them.

Just my thoughts, and I am off to pack for my annual fall bruin hunt, time to get on the hill and out of town....

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dogz

My mistake, I've never met Phil, but was under the misconception he was a big boy.

As far as those that don't care if they offend others, no that isn't a virtue perse. I like characters, maybe not all the time, but they add spice to life. They don't always make good spouses or co-workers, but can be fun if taken for what they are.

Phil is a great writer and I really enjoy his work, especially his recent piece regarding knives. some say he is very critical of his work but I hope he stay at it as he is very good!!!

Shoemakers critical (yet not derogatory) eye serves him well at Gun Tests.

Seyfreid in Fall Blackpowder Hunting. Light but OK.

I enjoyed the first and hope to enjoy the second just as much (although I'm not a black powder person myself).

... or like a Montana rancher, which he is?

This remark reminds me of when I got stuck Back East, working for Westinghouse Ordnance, and local Baltimorons at the office gave me a hard time for wearing black Wellingtons and a black string tie with the local uniform of white dress shirt and black suit. Total strangers lit into me angrily.

Man, I am bummed...

There are 2 main reasons I've been subscribing to all 3 Wolfe publications the last few years, and they are Seyfried and Barsnes...

Ross wrote about stuff that almost nobody else did. I'm not particularly interested in ever owning some obscure black powder wingnut gun, but the articles were interesting, to say the least...

He wrote about all sorts of impratical stuff, including a "super small bore" article last year, the complete opposite of a blackpowder boom cannon..

it's an interesting read. I already KNOW that a 30-06 with good bullets can kill everything in NA, so why shouldn't we read abotu the weird stuff?

I like that he didn't really specialize in any particular thing. I'd open up Handloader and he could be talking abotu old rifles, shotguns, revolvers or pistols..

That Ross was opinionated made him all the better to me..I guess that a writer that use abit of humour (Like our friend Mule Deer) to call BS are easier for the general public to take than a more in your face approach, which is closer to Ross's style...

but I guess I'm a bit ornery, myself.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I'll miss him on the Wolfe roster.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

On Brian Pearce...

The first articles I read by him ( I think in G&A or Hunting) I remmeber saying "Who is this dumb mook that thinks he'sa tall Elmer Keith???

Nowadays, I really enjoy his writing, and I hope that he doesn't get pigeonholed as strictly a bigbore handgun guy. I think he's got alot more to offer..

I think that he reminds me a bit of when I first started reading JB's work..

They both remind me of cowboys who started fiddling wiht guns and came to the realization that they actually knew alot about guns and hunting, and hey- maybe I'm good at this [bleep]!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

No offense intended, MD, I mean it as a compliment <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Hey, Gatehouse, thanks!

Actually, I was a professional writer for a long time before I ever got into guns. But I always was a gun nut, in particular a rifle loony. Did a few articles about them, starting in the late 70's, but it wasn't until about 10 years ago that more editors for various magazines started asking me for gun stuff. It just kind of happened. Now it's about 2/3 of what I write about....

MD

Venturino may indeed be a montana rancher I'll take your word for it. And believe me Ken I'm not putting down western attire I wear it myself and happen to live on a large cattle ranch. And I probably unfairly pigeon holed the guy, but the image I have of him in my mind is wearing a buckskin outfit that no ranchers from Montana or anywhere else for that matter wear, at least that I've seen.



What I was trying to say was that guys complain about Ross' writing about stuff they never use, well I never use guns that Mike usually writes about. Bottom line is Seyfried, liked or not, wrote dang good, interesting articles, even if I don't have access to the same guns he does. I've just never seen that from Mike.

There's very few gunwriters that I dislike, all of em have contributed something towards the sport. Mule Deer is definitely my favorite and his book on optics is unsurpassed. Some gunwriters may write controversial articles once in awhile but that helps stimulate thoughts and ideas whether one agrees with it or not. As for Ross, I've learned alot from his writings over the years and he wrote how he felt no doubt. Bob Hagel is another favorite of mine, never tire of his books.

MtnHtr

Yeah, I knew that about your writing career...

I still have my "impressions" though.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

And you always struck me as a guy that woke up one day and said "Hey!! I know more about this stuff than those guys do!! I should write a book!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I know it's not that easy, like "Hey Farmer John is in trouble, let's put on a show!!!" BS.. But you know...We all have our opinions, rigth or wrong <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Anyways, I still like your writing, no matter how you got there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I am very sorry to hear that Ross Seyfried will no longer write for the Wolfe magazines as my major reason for buying a three yr. subscription some time ago was his presence. He is not as skilled or polished a writer as JB or Phil Shoemaker and doesn't have the same level of real North American wilderness experience as Phil does, but, he is a unique, knowledgable and gifted man and I always read his writing first in any journal he is published in.



Ross has an real appreciation of animals, nature and what hunting is all about; he also is both respectful and laudatory toward the giants of our sport such as Elmer Keith, Ken Waters, Morris Talifson and Jim Corbett. He has absolutely exquisite taste in guns and even when he is wrong, he is well worth re-reading and he ain't wrong too often.



I have great respect for Phil Shoemaker whose prose is as supple and sure as his bushcraft is real and John Barsness will, a generation from now, be the J'OC of his time and this is not an idle compliment, but, I think that they are making a grave mistake letting Ross go.



Brian Pearce has always struck me as a nice guy whose taste in rifles is much like my own, but, he has always seemed to be an imitation of Seyfried. I think that he well deserves the popularity that JB mentions, but, his material does not have the authenticity that Ross's did--maybe it's an age thing as Ross and I are about the same age.



I know serious and capable shooters here who have met Ross and told me that he can be very opinionated and seems a bit arrogant---well, almost every good bushman I have ever met was like that and the "reclusivness" alluded to also gives one an idea of the idealism-perfectionism and underlying shyness that this behaviour frequently masks; this is very common among bush people.



So, I am going to reconsider my subscription when it comes to re-newal time as Ross was important to me as an enjoyable "companion", just as Bob Hagel and Elmer were for many years.

kutenay,
Superbly said once again...

Mule Deer,
Superb Article on the .416 Rigby. Really enjoyed that to no end...

If I renew my subscription to Rifle and Handloader it will be due solely to your work and that of Phil Shoemaker. I do, however, deeply regret that Mr. Seyfried will no longer be on staff...

Regards, Matt.

Ditto Matt on both Kutenay's points and MD's .416 article. The Rigby is my most favorite caliber I don't own, but I'm cogitating on it.

Kutenay and Matt--

Thanks to both of you for the kind words. I would also like to point out to anybody here who has expressed regret on Ross's departure that everybody at Wolfe regretted it as well.

But I must also point out that the powers at Wolfe thought it was the correct decision, and I believe they were right.

As noted before in this thread, I can't provide any real details of what happened, but will note that any magazine would be crazy to let one of their best writers go without good reason. You'll just have to take my word that there was good reason--and not just one.

MD

Ross wrote on some interesting topics. I noted he was not above disagreeing with another staff writer about a choice of bullet. Similarily, he pooh poohed the use of a shooting aid as being a nuisance to carry. That aid seems to be a pet of the editor however. Conclusion: not a team player. Perhaps that's not what the real problem was but he was quite opinionated.

Mule Deer I enjoyed your latest Handloads That work article as it confirmed many of the powder/charge choices I have made in several cartridges. My 257 AI Rbts. just loves the 4350's and 115 Partition combination. Ken Waters frequently nailed the best powder choices down for a given cartridge and although his work has become a bit dated I still approach a lot of load development by seeing what Ken had to say.

We get pretty good info from the Rifles group although I must admit to being Doug Turnbulled and Fred Zeglined to death (not a criticism of their workmanship) and recently note some new product reviews that read like they were written by the factory rather than an independent reviewer.

I look forward to each new edition.

About 6 months after some of you do not renew your subscription, you will find out that in the interim-before you subscribe again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> been there myself- that there were issues that contained articles you sorely wish you had.

Slasher brings up an excellent point. In my stack of Rifle and Handloader back issues there is a plethoria of writers who are either no longer around or just no longer at Wolfe Publishing. I do miss some, but if I had decided to terminate my subscription, because they left for one reason or another, I would have missed a lot of articles that were well worth reading.

I get two other magazines at present, both of them free I might add because of Life memberships in an organization, and neither is in the class of Rifle or Handloader and still wouldn't be even if Ross or some other very well known writer started to write for them. In fact, if adding Ross was the only change in either of them I doubt I would pay to have them brought to my door. But, I will have to say that the magazines from Wolfe Publishing have pretty nearly always been worth my time and money to be brought to my door and read.

One writer does not make an entire magazine now, and I doubt it ever really did. I don't think even Jack OcConnor could have carried Outdoor life by himself, at least not well enough for me to want to buy the magazine then. Yes, Ross is evidently gone from Wolfe Publishing. But so is Ken Waters pretty much. Also Bob Hagel's name no longer graces the pages of these magazines. These are just a couple more of the really great ones I remember, but there have been replacements that keep me buying Rifle and Handloader on a consistant basis. I really can't think of another magazine I can say the same about over the years.

I'll keep subscribing. Too much interesting stuff in those mags...

Besides, one of my favorite things to do in the summer is sit on the patio with a cold beer and read my new "Rifle" or "Handloader" magazine. Even if I'll never own 90% of the guns/carridges discussed.

PS In the winter, I do the same thing, except it is in front of the fire, with a whiskey! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I too will keep subscribing though I will miss Mr.Seyfried's articles. I will never be able to afford most of the arms that he writes about, but it does give me something to dream about during the the tedium of day to day life. I have enjoyed his articles for along time,and i hope to find out who he will be writing for in the future. I always liked the way he countered so much conventional rifle wisdom.Without his example I would still be using pure lead balls and overly tight loads in my muzzleloader, and would have no idea how effective and easy these rifles can be.

Well, with all of the laudatory comments about Seyfried and sadness at his departure, one would think he'd passed on to the happy hunting ground, rather than to (probably) another magazine.

I didn't care for his writing, but my impressions had nothing to do with his opinions, whether or not they were based in fact, but with his lack of clarity as a writer. I searched in vain for a reason in the article in which he deplored boat-tail bullets for game. Okay - they don't work - but why, or why did he think so? In this forum we discussed at length his dislike of the 458, but I couldn't find in his article any reasons for this dislike. After a couple of those issues, I just stopped reading his work - he wasn't teaching me anything, and I got tired of searching the article for something I might have missed, but did not.

Jaywalker

bump

I will miss reading his work in the Wolfe mags. I don't think Mr. Venturino will come close to replacing him.

I've always like the work of Barsness and Scovill. I have books written by both of them.

Brian Pearce gets more interesting as he branches out from Sixguns and Leverguns. Those 2 types of guns are some of my favorites but Pearce's writings on these subjects remind me too much of what John Taffin wrote 10 years ago.

I like Ron Spomers work. Phil Shoemaker's work is always read. Al Miller is worth reading as he has been hunting for many more years than I've been alive.

I'd like to trade Clair Rees off to get Wayne Van Zwoll back.

I've only read Zumbo's books. I don't read any other gunmags (unless Bugle counts) so I can't comment on the others 'zines.

I am quite sorry to see Ross leave Wolfe. Paradox guns, elegant singles and doubles from that wonderful era, a ladies' combination gun, "Seyfried's Theory of Relativity", "Turbocharging the .45 Colt" - so many great articles. He writes of things no one else touches, and his research is thorough. I reread his pieces a lot.

I reread a lot of Mule Deer's verbiage as well. A tip 'o the hat to you, Johnny B.

Stan T.'s photography is outstanding. Brian Pearce writes about things I find interesting. Dave Scovill's cast bullet wisdom is appreciated, and his .44 Special article a couple years ago is an occasional reread. All Miller is fond of 6.5's and .35's, and I enjoy his experienced words. Phil Shoemaker's experiences make his writing interesting and authoritative (not to mention that he plays with BIG rifles). Mike Venturino has a wealth of knowledge, and some S&W handguns to drool over. He is welcome.

BigIron

Mainframe,

You said more eloquently than I, how I feel about Wolfe publishing and it's authors' work- except that while Mike Venturino is very knowledgeable, I don't find his subjects very interesting most of the time.

It looks like Ross may have found a new home. http://www.underwildskies.net/magazine.php Just received the first issue and there were two Seyfried articles in there. One on a cape buffalo hunt and another on his Rigby .577. Looks to be a pretty good magazine, if somewhat pricy.

My .00001 cents worth, and think this would come under the category: Impressions Writers Can Leave With You - The first thing that usually comes to mind when I hear Seyfried's name, is the photo of him demostrating accurate field shooting positions. He is in picture with solid back-rest,leaning back, with big-bore revolver rested against knee Elmer Keith style, with the cylinder gap against his knee.

This was the time he was heavy into writing about the handgun big bores, LBT's, and the fire lapping thing.

Now I KNOW HE HAD TO KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. This is not meant as a criticism, to condemn Seyfried, or the like. I figure it was probably a publishing, editorial, photo, or even writer accident or screw-up due to time constraints or just plain accidental mistake. Never bothered to do the letter to the editor thing or such like, think there is a little too much of that these days. And, it would be funny to me if it wasn't for the fact that I can also picture some beginner or newbie trying that "method" as pictured.

I found his writing very enjoyable, interesting, well done, and really like the variety he seemed to come up with on the same subjects or genre. I am sure some of his stuff will come to be considered classic someday. I think the humor thing to me of the aforementioned picture is "the King appears in public, and his pants fall down". Not laughing at the man, but at the situation. Guess those gunwriters are human after all!

Good evening, all. Since there have been several references to Gary Sitton in this thread, I wanted to chime in briefly. Many of you might be aware of this, if so pardon me. Gary passed on back in October. His ashes were scattered on a west Texas ranch just last weekend (he wanted them to be scattered in the Spring) and there was an informal service with a few friends and family. He will be greatly missed not only as a fine writer, but also a fine friend.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for those of you who didn't know.

Also, I've very much enjoyed dropping in occasionally on the discussions here. Quite informative and entertaining.

Welcome Bart...From another Bart...
Hang around....This place is great.
Bart

Welcome to the fire, Bart...glad to have you.
Thanks for the info on Gary. I knew of his passing and am saddened like the rest. He will be missed.

Feel free to chime in often, you have much to offer.

1flier

Thank you kindly for the welcome.

Word is your Daddy shot a little.

Hope you'll hang out as time permits.

There's some smart heads on here.

Unfortunately I belong to the group with the smart "other end".

Bart
This thread would be enriched by your presence. Hope you hang around.

Royce

Again, thanks. And 1akhunter, my dad was known to burn a little powder now and again. Thank you kindly for remembering.

Since this thread is obviously about Ross, I would like to submit that I've had the pleasure of spending personal time with him on numerous occasions. I believe him to be one of the most intelligent, experienced and honest of the gun scribes still living. He is a gracious and interesting man whose shooting skills and knowledge of the trade cannot be second-guessed. Many of us would be well advised to take notice of his accomplishments and demeanor.

As they say down here in the border country, he'll do to saddle up with.

Well welcome to the fire, hope you stick around.
I enjoyed reading your Dad's works, and of course yours too.
Seems like you may have picked up a thing or two from him.
You will find some very fine folks here, especially the Canuck contingent. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Edited to add:
Hey Rick, this is pretty cool.
Most people have a "Skeleton" in their closet, you get to have a "Skelton" instead.

Most of the popular gunwriters are hacks. It's hard not to be when there is only a limited amount of material that can be covered. This is especially true when there are a lot more people interested in 45 vs. 9mm than there are in reloading for an original Martini-Henry. Repetition is a given and there are some who just can't "hack" it, seein's how they are into being on the cutting-edge and always being original. It is my opinion that these writers burn out quickest, which brings me to my point. Sooner or later, everybody runs out of something to say. Repetition isn't a bad thing, even if some can't bring themselves to do much of it. This is because there are new persons to the shooting world every day. Also because there are always suckers like myself who will read every last article on the 44 Mag., etc. So hacks are needed. Being a hack is not a bad thing, and I ain't accusing RS or anybody else of it...just saying that sooner or later, everybody runs out of stuff to say. Those who remain the longest regurgitate in the best and most interesting ways.

welcome aboard bart. i really like your articles in "down on the border". i also noticed you are doing technical articles. i hope the trend continues. you do a great job, and thank you.

you know it is getting to the point that almost every year we lose another great gun writer. gary was certainly on of those. i'm still not over your dad and bob milek. your dad was always a favorite.

i'll never forget the article he wrote about a hunting trip and it turned into monsoon season. he didn't have anything else to do in camp so he tested a 380 pistol some company had sent him. the thing had 2 mags and one of them had an inordinate amount of rounds. he was not pleased with the pistol and made no bones about it. he didn't say so directly but the pistola was a piece of crap. when he said it was taller than it was long i almost cracked up. he could be so serious and in the next sentence have you rolling in the floor.

he is missed.

best wishes, bill

Re: BS (unfortunate initials for a gun writer)
Of course he's welcome, (Welcome, Bart) but do we have to be nice to this one too? We"ve already spoiled MD. :-)
T

Careful with the BS guys, might stick, and wouldn't be good to refer someone to him in that way. Think he has some of his Dad in him on the writing part.

I'll keep it simple Bart S., your Dad's articles and writing I enjoyed immensely. See some of his in you, wish you success!

As for Gary S., doggone it, how come all the good guys have to go before I do!

Sure appreciate your kind words. I'll keep doing the stories as long as they'll let me.

We all get the hiccups now and again, have bad days, and make mistakes. It's human nature. The best thing to do is admit the error, then go on about your business. Sometimes that doesn't always happen in gun magazines.

As for the loss of our friends, it's a rough deal. The clock is ticking on all of us, I'm afraid.

Welcome to the fire...

Welcome to the fire. Sure enjoyed your daddy's work, and have come to look forward to your column as well. You may have to change the title, though. Seems like the border is moving north...last trip I made to Del Rio I believe I left the US about 40 miles north of the Rio Grande.

Bart,
I'm glad to see you here on the Campfire. My wife and I had the pleasure of meeting you at the NRA Meetings in Pittsburgh a couple of years ago. I bought your book from you and enjoyed it very much. Not to keep you in your Dad's shadow all the time but I have read and reread his books many times. I started reading his writings in about 1966 if I remember correctly. My favorite story was "Bustamonte I Hate You!". I also enjoy your "Down on the Border" column very much. I also got to meet Joaquin Jackson (I couldn't believe how tall he was!) in Pittsburgh. I must say that both of you were very gracious to us as strangers.

There will never be another Skeeter but I think you are able to fill that void he left. I missed him so much the first couple of years that it hurt. I was so glad when you started writing more articles. I hope your Mother is doing well.

I tried to buy the pre-war Colt Woodsman in the auction of your Dad's guns but wasn't successful and I was really disappointed. I wanted something that belonged to him. I spent a couple of years on the Tex/Mex border at El Paso back in the late 60s and loved it. Your articles are the first I turn to when I get my magazine every month and then I read Jeff Cooper's page.

I think you will enjoy the interaction here on the Campfire. If this old West Virginia boy (actually not a boy at 57) can be of any service, please feel free to PM me.

Best Regards,
Bill

Mr. Skelton:

This is more than a little off topic, but I still have (and regularly use) a chili recipe your dad published in Shooting Times a long, long time ago. It remains my favorite chili recipe of all those I've ever tried. I never make it that I don't think fondly of your dad's writing. He was a real gem and I learned a great deal from him, including more than a little bit about life in addition to things about guns and shooting.

Welcome Bart, I hope you decide to stick around. I also wanted to say that if someone puts together a collected works of Gary Sitton, I'll buy a copy. IMO, he <like Bart's dad> had a gift for what I would call "capturing a mood".
Our own Muledeer, just published an artical in Succesful Hunter titled "High Plains Drifter" that I found to be a very well done story about a hunter's quest to find wild places...

Bart:

If you see him again anytime soon, would you please tell him that some of us are hoping to see him publish something book length on all the classic British guns he's been testing for years.

- TJM

Bart,

Welcome to the Campfire!

Your post is coincident with me getting out Skeeter's article on a specification for the perfect revolver. I didn't have any interest in handguns when I first started reading his stuff, but that changed over the years. Now I have all these 5" barreled revolvers hanging around wiht my single action semi-autos.

jim

Bart,

Welcome. Glad you came to the Campfire, and hope you stay awhile.

Mainframe

Bart,
Good to have you around the fire. I was a great fan of your dad's but quit shooting pistols when my buddy that always shot with me moved. Just never hooked up with another. Haven't read much in gun magazines since then but you come from good stock. My best to you.
Mickey
www.colemanrifles.com

I'll second the motion for the collection of Gary Sitton's works. I kept a lot of his articles but would love to have them all in book form.

Jeff M.

Bart--

It is good to see your name here. Aside from always needing new blood, it's good to have a writer who really knows handguns!

You'll find the Campfire to be a generally less contentious place than some others in cyberspace. The folks here mostly want to visit and swap what they know, which I have found is not the case on some other sites.

Mule Deer (John Barsness)

Bart,

That sums it up quite well. I've met Mr. Seyfried a few times at the SHOT show. He has always been honest to a fault and very willing to give advice to a brand spanking new writer.

BTW - Welcome to the forum. For gunners of the sporting type, this here's the best.

Regards,

Mr. Skelton,

Welcome. Glad to have you here.

Mr Skelton,
Welcome from Korea, Sir.

Expat

Thank you kindly for the welcome. Hope to be able to spend a little time here. I've enjoyed it so far.

Bart

Bart S.

There are some very fine people here who would love to
see you saddle up to this Campfire.

From what I have read of your articles you fell close to the tree, was more than pleased to see another Skelton fill the boots AND make his own trail.

I believe your stock will go up if you hang out here.

Warning, it's addicting.


Welcome


So, do you have a favorite .45? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Welcome, I've enjoyed both your father's and your own writing.

Welcome to campfire Bart. This is a great board, and you're a great addition to the other class acts that contribute here.
PM sent,
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Bart,

Yours is a fine case of a son writing as well as his very illustrious father. Thanks for posting here and do post often.

Best wishes,

Mehul Kamdar

mehulkamdar,

Thank you much for your flattering post. I must disagree with you, though. I don't write anywhere near as well as my dad. Nor, in my opinion, do very many writers anywhere (I'm a bit biased, you see). He had a knack well advanced over most. His writing was timeless. He could have been a great novelist and never got around to it.

Thank you for remembering him, none-the-less, and thanks again for your kindness and readership.

Bart Skelton

Bart,

Welcome.

I would like to say that your daddy is partially to blame for my firearm looneyness. I started reading Shooting Times when I was 14yrs. old and have every copy since. I loved reading Skeeters articles on handguns and he inspired me to purchase my first one in 1983, a Ruger Super Blackhawk Stainless .44 mag., because of the column he wrote on the gun in ST. His passing along with Bill Jordan has definitely lowered the standards of that magazine. I have had the pleasure of reading three of his books, and I've also enjoyed your own writings and I can see your fathers influence in them.

Again I welcome you and your knowledge,

Kennon

I haven't read Rifle or Handloader much since Ross's departure from Wolfe, there just isn't much worth poring over from the rest of the writers...too much like the 'Drug Store Gun Magazines' G&A, Shooting Times, etc.

Blackpowder Hunting Magazine retains it's high quality production wise, but since Ross left the copy has devolved to vapid pulp like Field & Stream, et al...amateurish intro stuff for the raw beginner and shameless hawking of advertiser's wares, especially the shilling pap from Jim 'Schlock'ey. UGH! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

A friend alerted me that you'd been posting here, Bart. WELCOME! Let us hear from you often.

IF �
� you're still hanging your hat in Deming
and
� you ever get to Quemado and don't stop for a visit, I'll die right away just so that I can haunt you forever.

Skeeter was a cherished friend and has left a wide, deep chasm here. We were scheduled to hunt together a few times, but the usual conflicts kept him from making it. I'll never forget our last visit.

And I look forward to acquaintance with you.

.

Bart, Welcome. As to RS, I have greatly enjoyed his writing on obscure calibers and styles of guns as I have with other writers. (MV) But as a person I tried to get acquainted with him at an NRA national meeting but he was too haughty and arrogant to talk to one who spoke to him. I hope he continues to write. Suppose I would still help him change a flat at night in bad weather. Just my nature. Rusty Zipper

RZ,

I'm surprised at that. We all have our rocky days, and maybe that was one for Ross. I've found that he can be quiet at times, and so am I. As for haughty or arrogant, I've never seen Ross display such demeanor. He's always been a gentleman.

To my knowledge, Ross is writing for Double Gun Journal and a newer publication, Under Wild Skies.

Bart, Glad to see you post here. I also agree with you about Ross .
I contacted him a couple years ago and have stayed in contact since. He has always answered my question and even when busy still finds the time to accept a phone call and answer questions

Ross is good people. Easily one of the most generous people I know.

I was involved in both national and international pistol and revolver competition for 25 years, so Ross has my vote of confidence. He's a bonified expert in my humble opinion, both concerning handguns,rifles and shotguns. He not only knows his "stuff", but has actually done it,a trait which is becoming more rare in this electronic age of internet gurus.
Howdy Bart; good to see you in the house! One of my old shooting pards Dad is known to slink around the border country with you now and again. James Briseno and I shot for years together down in Douglas and surrounding local matches....good people,and he says the same regarding you.

I've had conversations with Ross at the SHOT show twice and he seemed glad to discuss guns and writing with one of the unwashed.

Thanks for coming to the Campfire Mr. Skelton. Please stop in again. My father and I used to try and out sneak each other to the mail box to get to your fathers articles first. Your father's articles were one of the better things my father and I shared and one of the reasons I'm a gun nut. I will never forget those memories. I do enjoy your current articles and hope to read them for a long time.

Sorry to hear about Garry Sitton passing. Thank you for the news. I think it is great that he got his last wishes about his ashes.

Ross S. is one of my favorit writers. I wish him well at this new magazine. Your right about bushmen and there exacting behaviour and there mental isolation from others at times. It is just their nature. It takes all kinds.

Phil Shoemaker is one of kind and I particularly connect with him and his writing.

All of us if we admit it are many faceted. I'm sure those who have less than congenial feelings about RS may have caught him at a time or in circumstances when his best attributes were not apparent. I'd have to say I'm sure some could say the same about me.
I'm glad that some of you have found him gracious and a generous person.

I've known Ross for thirty years or so, and consider him to be a friend. Yes, he is opinionated, but I respect his opinions. Best I can tell, he is usually right. I've enjoyed visiting with him about his elk herd management and hunting enterprise. As I recall, he described it as, "I just wanted to prove that a fellow could make a living on a ranch without having a single cow." We've both had cows.

I can only add that after a very pleasant dinner at the SHOT show in Vegas, Ross insisted on picking up the check for my wife and I. When a former pistol champion tells you in a certain tone of voice that he is getting the check, you thank him kindly. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that has happened in forty years. I considered him a friend even before he picked up the check!

KenO

I've talked with Ross Seyfried only three times, at SHOT Shows.

� cordial
� extremely rude
� cordial

Two out of three ain't bad!

Each time Ross's name comes up your responses are always cordial and rude.
You have stated as much before. Just can't miss an opertuniy I guess........... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

There seem to be a lot of knowledgeable folks on this thread with close ties with Ross and hopefully someone can answer a couple of questions I have about his African guiding experience. In the current Under Wild Skys magazine he is listed a editor-at-large and in the letters to the editor he responds to a reader with the statement "Over my ten years of guiding clients in Africa I saw all sorts of success and failures relating to the combination of man and rifle."
Does anyone know where and when Ross guided and for whom?

As near as I can recall he told me he started in Zambia and finished in Tanzania. Never asked him about time frames.

That's nice to hear. I've greatly enjoyed his writing over the years and have learned a lot from him. I was always curious about what he'd be up to, whatever it was.

� I was trying to counter a post, above, that speaks only of Ross's well known rudeness. I sought to acknowledge that fact and to put it in its proper context as I see it. My intent was to be positive � unlike yours.

� I did not remember that I'd commented before.

� I have not been following this thread.

� It's none of your business what, when, or why I post anything.

� Your public scolding of me does not do you credit, though you may think that it makes you seem high-minded and superior.

conscienciousness-raising? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I don't have much info, Phil, but in his description of the .378 Wby Mag in Nosler's #3 manual, Ross briefly describes a hunt on July 4, 1986 when his client used the .378 on a lion. My sister's coonhound/lab got hold of the manual and it's so chewed up I can't even find the date of its publication...

Ross was in Africa from 1979-1989. He worked With United Safari Zambia, Mike Cameron, Ray Sparrow, Hugo Seia, and Cotton Gordon.

Mike, Great information. I assume he was licensed as a PH during those years. I know from experience that in ten years of guiding you build up quite a resume of clients. Did you have the pleasure of hunting with him then or know of anyone who did?

Also, If I may ask, who am I talking with and how did you come by this information?

Your assumptions will have to remain just that as I didn't think to ask him. I wish I had an opportunity to hunt Africa with Ross. I suppose one of these days I will buy an elk hunt with him. Truth be told Phil, I don't know anyone who hunted with you, but I will refrain from casting aspersions on your career. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have enjoyed both Ross Seyfried's and Phil Shoemaker's writings very much. I have never hunted with Mr. Shoemaker, but would enjoy it alot, I think. I would also love to shoot "ole ugly"! Sounds like good bear medicine.

mike, When a writer puts his experiences out in front of the public in print he should be willing and able to back them up. I have no problem in verifying any of my experiences if you wish. Neither did Finn Aagaard nor do Joe Coogan, Don Heath, Kevin Robertson, Jim Shockey or any other African PH or American Guide that I know of. My career is an open book.
By the way, who did you say you were? I need to know in order to send you my references.

I didn't say. If you'd like, PM me your phone number and I'll give you a call at your convenience. As far as backing up his experiences, I'm not sure what you mean. When I asked Ross when and for whom he worked for in Africa he told me. I know you are very good at what you do. I actually tried to book a hunt with you a few years ago but you were booked for 3 years for the hunt I was after. I won't need to see your references, I believe you. I believe Ross also. Why don't you? Is there a new requirement that proof of fact must now be submitted with every innocuous statement? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

mike, Of course there is no requirement to verify anything a writer says but when someone advertises themselves as an expert with X amount of experience it is not unreasonable to ask about it. Ross's shooting skills are well documented and I am sure that if anyone questioned them he would be more than willing to show them. Probably for $$.
I simply asked about his much touted African guiding experiences. I have no doubt he hunted in Africa and has much more experience than my paltry amount. He claims to have been a PH for ten years yet no one seems to have any information or verification of it - which would lead any logical person to wonder ?
Possibly I'm acting like my friends who served in the Navy Seals, Special Forces and Smoke Jumpers do when they are told that someone claims to have done the same. Since they are proud of what they have done and are always interested in someone else with similiar experiences they ask a few simple questions in order to establish when and where but when details are not forthcoming they start asking more pointed questions.

Phil, it's called a BSometer, and folks in most professions have them. There always seem to be a few in every field that claim a great deal of experience at something. When you work with them for awhile, you start to see some discrepencies. Then you start really questioning their claims, and doubting about everything they say.

I don't know why there are some folks that have to claim to have done more than they have.

As witness the booming market in military medals and LEO badges among people who never wore a uniform of either kind. Likewise the "trophies" on the office walls of corporate types who've swallowed many a shot but have never fired any. It's called image. And the macho image is where both the money and the prestige are.

Phil,

FWIW, I have a friend who has been on a couple of hunts in Africa with Ross as his guide. This is going back a whole lot of years (mid to late �80�s IIRC). I also recall that Len Thompson of Cold Steel fame was with them on one trip. I don�t know Len from Adam (ok, I�ve met him a couple of times, but I don�t know him), and I haven�t talked to my buddy in several years, but I�m sure I could call him and get the details�I mean, who wouldn�t want to spin yarns about their trip to Africa?

This internet is quite a powerful tool. For a persons name to come up and it be a free for all is quite disturbing I would expect.

Of course Ross is a person who stands out and gets some riled up but we all might be the better for it if we used the net with discretion. This goes for yours truly also.

As for myself I have not read him in years but he is a skilled person. I wrote him and invited him here a couple of decades ago. He never answered. I got over it.

All in all Ross is a gun guy. He is on our side and he makes things interesting. To have a friend you have to let the chafe go and keep the grain.

Somehow I got his email and invited him to the 'fire also; this was a year ago maybe. His response: "too much said; too little foundation". I answered that, "he could add to the foundation". He answered, "no thanks".

George

I invited him in person almost two years ago.
He politely declined.
I didn't press the issue.
We discussed other matters.
Amiably.

edited to add:

If it were possible to know less than nothing about Ross's field experience, that'd be how much I'd know about his time as a PH in Africa. Until somebody shows me some credible evidence to confute it or at least to refute it, I'll take his word for it (although I don't know what that is, either). Heck, I even believed Capstick for a long time!

I believed him until he wrote of owning a single shot Ruger
with which he could hit a soup can at 800 yds EVERY TIME.
Good luck!

Perhaps you could post the article that you are refering too.

I couldn't. You couldn't. My son couldn't. My grandsons couldn't. Most of us couldn't. None of which proves that Ross couldn't � but I'm with you to this extent: I'd sure love to see him do it if indeed he claims that he can.

(Did he say how big a soup can? We had some gee-huge ones in the Navy.)

He penned a lot of articles on things that interested me. Namely big bore hand guns, the pre '64 model 70, and his later articles on the 270wsm, which he seems particularly fond of, and so am I. There are a lot of people out there who like his writing, and even those who don't seem compelled to read it anyway. That says something---2MG

[Quote] by Ken Howell

(Did he say how big a soup can? We had some gee-huge ones in the Navy.)

That is for certain......... To know what was actualy claimed would put more light on the subject..........
Just for the record Ross is an extremely accomplished long range shooter with a vast amount of knowledge on the subject...
Does anyone remember Ross's article on Accuracy at 1 Mile? He had pictures of his target at that incrideable distance, and the groups were awsome. I would take Ross at his word and would not bet against his ability............ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

IIRC the "soup can article" was a piece on a fast twist .22 cal based on a .308 or slightly larger case. Looking back on it he was ahead of the game and was pushing what were then unheard of weights in a .22cal, I think 80-90grns. This was about the time the hipower guys were going to the heavy bullets but nobody was using them for anything else.

I dont recall the claim of hitting it every time but I do recall him stating that a mistake reading the wind was the only thing causing errors.

Regarding his African experience he did write the foreword on Hugo's book. In my mind that gives some credibility because Im sure not everyone would be asked to do that.

I will admit to being a Ross fan and would be in line if he ever put out an autobiography.

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I will admit to being a Ross fan and would be in line if he ever put out an autobiography. [Quote]

Me too in a heart beat......... Thanks, for the info that puts it in the proper perspective........ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

As far as I am concerned Ross's ability with, and knowledge of, firearms is not in question. However, as much as Ross likes to tout his ability in all fields, I have never seen any evidence offered for his self proclaimed "ten years" of professionally guiding in Africa.
As Ken pointed out, I just heard a report on the news that there are now over nine million persons claiming to be Vietnam vetrans yet the US military only has record of three million.
Wheather Ross actually guided in Africa for as long as he claims does not diminish his ability as a writer or his knowledge of firearms. As a guide I simply am curious. It wouldn't matter if I were a farmer or brain surgeon, if someone claimed to be in the same occupation I would certainly ask a few questions to establish some sort of rapport.

I've never noticed that Ross produced very many details about being a world Champion shooter, why do you think that he would do so with anyother aspect of his life....... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

jwp, whoever you are, You need to go back and re-read Ross's earlier writing in G&A . The fact that he was "world champion" was always in front of the reader.
Why do you hide behind the cloak of ananomity?

[Quote] by Phil Shoemaker
Why do you hide behind the cloak of ananomity? [Quote]

Why does it matter to you? Are you somehow suggesting that if we had drinks,and dinner together that somehow that would change your question and the answers that you have recieved? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I guess it would depend on the size of the soup can. However, I do have several Ruger single shots that I believe could stay on at least a quart size can at that range, if I were a good enough shot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />
Just because you and I can't do it doesn't mean someone else might not be able to. I'm sure not gonna call Ross a liar because he said he did it. I have a good friend that could consistantly hit beer cans at 100 yards with an S&W Chiefs Special, a .,38 snubby. I can shoot a handgun fairly well, but I never could shoot like he did. Maybe it's just some people's eyes work differently in some way, I dunno. I figure if Ross said he did it, who am I to doubt him?
It's like Elmer Keith's 600 yard shot on a Mule Deer. it was witnessed, yet people to this day still call him a liar. Go figure.
Paul B.

Good post, 99. I'm with you on this one. One minute a guy is asking where Ross Seyfried went, or who he is writing for, the next minute it becomes a free for all with many people making slanderous or uninformed remarks. I mean, it is called "ask the gunwriters", not "talk about the gunwriters behind their backs". Factual/experienced based comments are fine, it's all the hear say that bothers me. I mean , it would be one thing if the guy were here to defend himself...Just my thoughts---2MG

Maybe one of those 5 gallon cans they use at schools and prisons.

What's the big deal about his African experience? I never read anything by him about Africa that seemed implausible or even unlikely based on conventional wisdom, not to mention my own experience. And some of his anecdotes were definitely "had to be there" experiences. Can't say the same about Capstick, although I don't deny he was there, sort of, as I've related. previously.
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Article in question was in regards to a 22-284 and high BC offerings.

Wouldn't rate soup can killing at 800yds,as a stretch of anything,other than a capable chambering that was geared towards doing just that.

I'd liken that feat to hitting the toilet with a stream of pizz,with feet touching the porcelain,as compared to what JM can do with a wheelgun.

As a for instance barometer....................

OK
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Not slighting a good man with a rifle,but there are droves of folks who could accomplish the feat mentioned,with a drove of implements.

Can't think of a soul,who could run with Miculek.

The man is seemingly from another World..................

And he seems like a nice guy. What's up with that?
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This must be the longest running thread in history (or at least 24 Hour Campground's history!) - it started on September 4, 2004 and continues today!!

I have never met Ross Seyfried but I respect his knowledge and writing. He shoots (or reported on) guns that I could never afford nor probably could not tolerate (recoil). He had hunting and shooting experiences that I'll never have. I did enjoy and learn from his writing.

Ive shot several matches with Jerry,and he is indeed one regular nice guy. There are several guys who can run pretty close to him, but close only counts in horse shoes so they say. At one particular International Revolver match, I had one stage where I was able to consistently hold pretty close to his times which made me feel like I was runnin' with the big dog. Jerry has personality plus talent, he's a real people person.

anyone have info on Ross's 585 Nyati? I have seen it mentioned, but never the demensions or what it was made from. Just curious.

The 585 Nyati is made from the 577 Nitro case by improving and maching the case head inorder to make a rimless case suitable for use in a bolt action

Thanks ,jwp, Its not for wimps then.

Life goes on. We speed and get a ticket and keep a better watch on things for a while. Some writer pumps out article after article and finally says something that someone picks up on. Or maybe the writer tells some editor that he is full of crap and a vendeta starts.

Since we have a vulnerable community here, the shooting sports, and I suggest that as much as possible we are circumspect when going after another of us.

In particular I have a problem with disparaging someone who has just passed on. Have a breath of human kindness, blow the chafe away and keep the grain.

Good summation from Savage 99. The fact that this thread has run so long is a testiment to Ross's popularity.

Savage 99,
If I may ask, WHO just passed on??

The Good Colonel,for one.....................

Big Stick; I didn't realize that there were "droves" of rifles out there that would hold 1/8 MOA at 800 yds.
I have learned somthing, could you suggest a source for such equipment?.
Thanks!

Last I checked,1/8MOA was 1"-ish at 800yds and that'd be what I'd term a dainty soup can and I never penned that designator.

Now...you've learned a little more..................

A 1/4 MOA would leave no room at all for error. Have it your way, but please supply a list of sources for the "droves" capable of such shooting. Maybe we will all learn somthing.
Take Care!

hawkins,
heres one that can checkout these groups:

http://longrangehunting.com/ubbthreads/s...vc=1#Post115520

Who can't shoot that well,besides you?..................

Never heard of a 1" group at 800 yards, much less "droves" of people that could shoot that well, or any rifles that can routinely shoot that well.

Just saw this info on the Professional Hunters Association of Zambia website and thought it applied to this thread, from admittedly way way back, but answered some questions nevertheless.

https://phazambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Black-Lechwe.pdf

I sat in Ross's cabin and he told me how he became an African P.H. and I believe him.

I will have to catch up on this .. He wrote one of the three best articles I have read in my entire life.. I have read thousands...

Damn ol Phil Shoemaker kind of a dick on this thread...

Sad thing is, most don't know who your talking about...😁🖕😎

My family and myself were good friends with Cotton Gordon, Ross hunted with him in Zambia. Cotton was sometimes understated when talking about other Ph's and said Ross was damn handy with a rifle. I did enjoy his writing.

The CGS behind Ross's name in the list posted above is Cotton Gordon Safaris.

Kind of a trip down memory lane.. OP started in 2004, stopped in 2006 and 12 yrs, 3 months later it’s revived.. just surprised to see ol Shoemaker being salty.. lol

I said from the beginning that I admired Ross's knowledge, writing skills and abilities as a shooter.
I also know he spent time on safaris in Zambia over number of years and at the time getting someone to sign you off for PH license was possible.
But flying over and doing a few short safaris, usually guiding friends, over a period of X number of years , does not mean you have X number years of African experience as a PH as was claimed in some articles.

And while he could be charming for an admiring fan, he could also be less than.
There are very sound reasons why he never seemed to stay with any publication for very long.

From a readers standpoint Ross was one of the best .

Ross was a man of strong conviction......

And opinions

Which is one reason people liked him

Yep Phil, those two things are a double edged sword.

Plus coupled with his shooting and writing skills he became one of the best at the writing game.
Unfortunately he didn't play well with others.

Ross is one of the best writers out there. He has a wide firearms interest and knowledge. Great on wildcat cartridges. I bought his 6mm Mach IV rifle from a gun house years ago. It was written up in G&A magazine. The gun house did not have the reloading dies with the rifle and I tracked Ross down in I think it was to Oregon. I called him and we talked awhile. He sent the reloading dies to me free of charge.
I have a complete collection of Rifle and Handloader magazines. Many of the current writers for gun magazines do not even come close to the great writers of years ago, and Ross is included in the great writers list.

Articles such as this one is why Ross was popular

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/blackpowder-shotshell-loading/361504

Ross is doing well and still writing regularly for the Double Gun Journal. He has become a close friend and mentor to me over the past few years. His skills as a writer are, in my mind, without equal in the outdoor world. Interestingly, his skills as a gunmaker are equally impressive.

What good fortune you have Woodhits.

Woodhits, glad to hear Ross is doing well and it would be difficult to find a better mentor.

Woodhits, last I heard he was living a few miles east of me here in Oklahoma. If that is accurate. Is that still true?

Never mind. Somebody answered already.

Thanks Phil.

Papat, he moved to Kentucky a few years back.

Funny story Phil, when I told Ross I shot a bighorn with a Nosler Accubond I thought he was going to slap me upside the head, seriously..... he hated tipped bullets at the time.
For him I had no excuse for not using a Failsafe (his fave at the time) a Partition or an x bullet.

Early in his carrier he was a Elmer Keith schooled magnum guy, the 340 Wby was just right. He did change his position and came to the conclusion a 270 with a great bullet would kill anything that walked and he was pleased I used a 270 on the sheep....

Muledeer does an exceptional job as a writer these days. I always look forward to his stuff.
He does not puff himself up and gets the message across well.
Ross came across pretty well, just not with the same humility, writers entertain us....or they disappear.

Good observation, and one of the reason Ross was sent packing. But the fact that he liked taking cheap shots deriding Muledeer, Brian and myself didn't help either.

an interesting revived thread

Just happened to come across the information I posted and felt that this was as good a place to put it as any. I've known Ross for about 30 years and remember talking to him as he was getting ready to head off to Africa for the season. I also remember an interview he did for american handgunner in the 80's which gave contact info for CGS if anyone wanted to book with them and have Ross as a PH. I've hunted with him, stayed in his house, and bought and traded guns with him. I have found him gracious, generous, honest, humble and always very helpful. Of course YMMV.

.458 win, we are very lucky to have contributers, like yourself . This gives the average hunter a glimpse into the hunting/ shooting business. I like it.

An opinionated grouchy , set in his ways gun crank....... who would imagine such a thing?

Along these lines, anyone know what became of Elk Song?

I do not, I know he sold it. He told me at certain times of the year it had as many as 2000 elk on it....

Sold some time back.

To? What is it being used as?

[quote=Woodhits]Ross is doing well and still writing regularly for the Double Gun Journal. He has become a close friend and mentor to me over the past few years. His skills as a writer are, in my mind, without equal in the outdoor world. Interestingly, his skills as a gunmaker are equally impressive. [/quote

Please pass along my regards. Ross’s work has been extremely helpful over the years. When I have followed his advice on muzzleloading, bulletcasting, handloading, or just about any other topic he wrote about; the results turned out exactly as he said they would.

Sounds like a man that didn't want to kiss the bosses ass when requested.Two thumbs up!

I had the pleasure of a long visit with Ross and Richard years ago at Elk Song. He was a gracious host and engaging conversationalist. I had hoped for another visit before he moved. Maybe someday I can visit Ross again and hit the Kentucky Bourbon Trail while I’m there.

I’m happy to hear he’s doing well.

Mule Deer, .458Win, and Brian Pearce are the first authors I look for when opening a new Rifle or Handloader. That's not to say I don't enjoy the other contributers to those magazines as well. Mule Deer now has me buying Sports Afield; I need a subscription. I would suggest any cheap shots taken by other authors were motivated by a bit of jealousy, or misdirected sense of competition. I have seen the same vitriol directed at Jack O'Connor....I think his popularity rankled other authors, perhaps even to this day, more than many would admit. Before anyone turns purple, I also like and appreciate Keith's writings, and have books by both of them. As one poster said, if you can't entertain us, you won't last long. I'm easily entertained when it comes to guns and hunting, I love to read about them, and feel most (not all) writers can teach me something, even if I don't agree with them. I like to read the articles from people with more experience than I, who have a knack for keeping my interest with their wordsmithing skills.

Actually, to me he sounds like an opinionated, self-absorbed azzhole who feels the need to take cheap shots at his co-workers and peers in order to prop up his own standing.

I’ve worked around a lot of people like that in my life, and although many were very talented at what they do, that personality trait always outweighed their ability and talents in the minds of those who had to spend time around them. It’s not a good thing. It diminishes them and ultimately catches up to them, despite whatever financial or professional rewards it may bring.

IMHO, people like Phil and JB (Mule Deer), who are genuine, and comfortable in their abilitIes that they don’t have to tear down others in order to place themselves on top, are the ones who earn my respect and the ones we should be praising. I bet it was a real treat having to work alongside that guy. . . (Insert eye roll here)

Again, just my opinion from my own experience of having work alongside some Uber- Dik heads. YMMV.

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Actually, to me he sounds like an opinionated, self-absorbed azzhole who feels the need to take cheap shots at his co-workers and peers in order to prop up his own standing.

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You have never met Ross , I guess. Or many other gun writers I would imagine.

I have.

Some.of them are insecure, bloviating azzhats . .Based not on rumors or hearsay but what I actually observed of their behavior in person.

Ross Seyfreid is not one of them. He was always respectful and helpfull to the people I saw him interact with. Even if he had nothing to gain other than just helping another shooter.

He did not suffer fools for very long , though. I do not blame him.

I once spent an hour talking to Ross on the phone. I asked him a lot of questions and he answered them very graciously. I considered him one of the best most entertaining writers when he worked for Guns and Ammo.

Gun writers are human beings. And whether you know one or one hundred has no bearing. They are no different than the rest of us just because they write for a living. I’m sure some are salt of the earth and others are flaming diks.

You are right, I don't know him personally, but judging from what others have said and his writing style, I’ll stick with my opinion. You of course are free to stick with yours.

Hey, even Hitler had his detractors and supporters. We’re all free to form our own opinions. Right or wrong, the world will continue to spin...

Hey 458. Your daughter learned me something. Saw a pic of her in some rag wearing her .357 in a new (to me) way. Had her revolver in a belt slide type holster but with the belt routed around the outside of the revolver rather than inside. Sort of a "duh"moment. I tried it, knowing the outcome because it was so obvious, and it was stupid simple. Used it for both a Glock 23 and a Colt MkIII Trooper. It's absolutely the way to carry strong side. Course, I'm sure you showed her how. Be a pleasure to ever meet y'all. Seem like good people at the least. Good day to you and yours.