Has anyone actually checked velocity of recent production Federal 270 Win with 150 Nosler Partition? Please provide barrel length and velocity.

no chrono here, but i'm doing all my hunting this year with a 270 win, 24" barrel, and shooting factory fed premium with 150gr partitions. i'll be interested in any response to your question.

Rin, no idea and will be interested to hear from anyone that has... my bet is around 2,675 - 2,725 (max) in a 22" bbl.

I shot the old Weatherby Norma 270 Win. 130gn load over my pact model 1 and got 2720. Noama is usualy hotter than most so I doubt you will see much over 2700 if that.

In a match-grade 24" barrel, would you expect factory ammunition to make the claimed figures?

Books say u can reload to faster speeds then that 2820 to 2900 fps 150 bullets with 53-55 gr powder sometimes I push mine to 58 gr powder

I rarely shoot factory ammo. Only factory 270 Win ammo I have shot and chronied in my 22 inch Model 70 was green box 150g Core-loct at about 2600 fps.

Remington core lokt 130's avg. 2960 f.p.s. out of my old 700.

Oh alright Rick I will pick up a box and chrono for ya....

Bob! 150's in a. 270??? What would O'Connor say?.....

podunk: JOC used the 150's!

58.5 WW II H4831 for 2950 in a 22" M70 barrel.He shot bool elk and a bunch of African and Indian game with them.

Bob Lee, an old JOC compadre,and NY businessman (also owned a piece of a safari company)used the same load to kill a bunch of lions in Africa.

I remember him saying in 'The Hunting Rifle' IIRC that the. 270 was born to shoot 130 grain bullets, if one desired 150 grain bullets they should get an '06.... but maybe im 'misremembering'.....

Funny, I'm one that thinks the 140/150's are the 270's "natural" weights... but I digress.

Just pulled out some data from 1996... I ran an entire box of WW 150 Power Points through my 22" M70 Fwt. Chron'd them all.

Velocity was 2,640-2,702 fps for an average of 2,680 fps for all 20 shots.

Dat's pitiful!

I would expect the Fedral 150 Partition load will be similar...

Brad - I agree, 2700 fps, 150s in 270 is pitiful.

I am finishing off a box of WW 270 PP in 130 gr to have the brass. They graphed +/- 2900 fps in my Tikka 22 7/16" bll.

I've SELDOM graphed factory ammo that even came close to adv.

If you want performance - hand load!

The 270 Win is famous why?..130 grain bullets and the 30-06 is not famous for 200 grain bullets either,is it?

Period!

Jayco

And your point is? ?

I guess I am not sure why the need for speed and heavy for caliber bullets...If a guy needs heavier bullets than the standard caliber weights that made them famous,why not move up in caliber?

Why would a guy buy a 270 winchester and shoot 160 grain bullets when he could buy a 30-06 and have the golden standard 180 grain bullets...

The 270 Win is famous for 130 grainer's not 150's and the '06 for 180's...Todays and yesterday's 130 grain bullets in the 270 work just dandy if you don't push the velocity way over the intended speed of the bullet.

In saying all this,I have seen more Elk killed with the 270 Win than anyother caliber with 95% being of the 130 flavor.

I own 2 270's and have shot alot of game with both...There never was one time I thought I needed a 150 grain Nosler over a 130 grain..Not once...

But thats just me having shot the 270 for over 50 years..To each his own.


Jayco

110,120,130,135,140,150,160 they'll do the job if they're put together fairly well. Take the one you choose to use, go elk hunting, stick it in a proper place and one will be dining on elk for the year.

Dober

An undisclosed amount of H4831 behind a 130gr. Partition works for me. Not the most accurate load out of my old Model 70, but it's a killer.

Bull Chit.........

Yeah if you get the perfect broadside and hit no bone or a head shot.....

How many Elk have you seen shot with 110 grain bullets to make such a statement?Kinda like 130's in the '06..No way jose and I saw it with good shots.

Just my opinion having seen many/many Elk killed with the 270 Win.

Jayco

Off the med's again I see... tackling Dober's experience with the 270 and elk may be one of the dumber things you've done, and you certainly have done a lot of dumb things on this forum.

How many elk have YOU lost with a 110?

If you don't think a Barnes 110 will smoke a bull then you're dumber than you appear...and that's saying something.

If his exceeds mine,I shall kneel and give way,but it doesn't...Why is it anyone that disagree's with the Montana boys,there all the sudden on meds and don't know squat about anything?

Dober is not the first and last word about the 270 Winchester..Others have as much or more experience with that caliber.

Just my opinion....

Jayco

Lost or had to track forever?Your not an Idaho native are you?

Jayco

Jayco - I don't have any real argument about that. IMO the 150s aren't much heavy for caliber in the 270.

JOC used the 150s quite a bit, 58-59 grs. of Surplus 4831 and vel. 2900-3000 depending upon rifle & barrel. He like the 150s for heavier game IIRC and I remember that he did use a 130 on Moose at least once.

The OP simply asked about the chronod vel. of factory Federals w/150 partitions. He didn't state his intended purpose. I'd predict that no one could tell the difference between 130 and 150 grain Partitions, at least most of the time.

Jwall

To each his own...I merely stated what I have seen with the 270 Win having used it for over 50 years plus Grandpa and Dad and a few others...Back in those days it was the only alternative to the '06....

The last time I used the 270 I was using Federal 140 grain High Energy Trophy Bonded and it cleanly shot a nice 6X6 penetrating farther than my Noslers usually do,but that is hard to judge on slightly different angles and it smashed a nice Buck the next day..

The 270 Win is highly underestimated with 130 grain bullets,mostly because of the internet..

Thanx for keeping it civil...

Jayco

You are a paragon of civility... and stupidity.

I was born and raised in Oklahoma actually. Moved here in junior high about 27 years and 20 or so elk ago. Is there a reason for your inquiry?

PLEASE drop this foolish argument lest everyone else think all people in Idaho are ignorant blowhards.

Let me help you...

Dear Campfire,

Let me state for the record that most Idahoans are fully aware that a 110 Barnes will kill any elk walking this planet with little drama.

How many with a 110 grain bullet?

Back off on the name calling.........................

Jayco

Brad

If Dober will come on here and say he has seen personaly a sufficent number(by John Barsness standards) of Elk killed with the 270 Win and 110,120,130,135,140,150,160 bullets.............

I will publicly appologize..........

Jayco

Careful. He will challenge you to a fight.

None with a 110.

Never killed one with a .338 Win and 210 partitions either,... yet I remain open to the idea it can be done.

Then again I'm not the one calling "bullchit" on dudes I've never met about using bullets I've never tried.

At what cost?

I called Bull Chit because Dober has "Not" seen numorous Elk killed with the bullet weight's he said..I said numorous because John Barsness has told us,a couple don't tell us anything....

I also stated,I will appologize right here, if Dober backs his statement up with experiences in every weight he said.I will take his word if he post it.........

Jayco

At the cost of elk steaks?

I've killed enough game with TSXs and TTSXs to know what they do. One of those things is killing elk.

If you need JB to tell you what a sufficient sample size is...uhhh, well, uhhh...best of luck with that.

Me, I just go try things and see for myself.

Dave

Do you hunt with a .270 Winchester?

Jayco

A Barnes TTSX would indeed "smoke" an Elk in short order

I am NOT one of those who underestimate the 270 w/130 gr. bullets. I don't remember how many 270s I have had and I have 3 or 4 now. I got my first one in 1975 or 76? The Gun or 130s have NEVER disappointed me.

I believe that JOC and others have PROVEN its worthiness everywhere it's appropriate for the game.

per civility: You're Welcome, nothing is to be gained in arguing and name calling.

Geez................

Lets here some "actual" experiences using the bullets and weights mentioned in the 270 Win,not internet talk like..It should work....Give me a break...

Elk hunting offers some real challenges sometimes to even the best bullets and anyone who says a bullet will work without actual experience in all circumstances using that bullet and caliber,is full of chit!!!!

Jayco

Sometimes.

If you want civility and for people to not call you names (idiot and such)...then don't call "bullchit" on dudes you don't know discussing bullets you haven't used.

Man I'm helpful!

Please answer my previous question about your concerns regarding my state of origin...unless you asked the question simply because you want to know the intimate details of my childhood.

Dave

I called Bull Chit with the option of Dober proving what he said with experiences on all those bullet weights in the 270....Then I would or will appologize...

He won't and can't from experience so........Who is wrong?

Hey..Lets go Stealhead fishing..There catching them big time in Orofino...

Jayco

Yeah, ...I'm in CDA for a work conference and saw a few fish being netted on the drive up from Boise. Really wish I would have brought my gear.

So, has anyone chrono'ed a 150gr partition out of a 24" 270 win?

I have the 140 grain Federal High Energy Trophy Bonded advertised at 3100 fps and it hit 3060 out of my 24" Winchester Model 70 at 70 degree's...

Jayco

Jayco-good to see you're still around, hope that lifes been good for you, it's sure good in my camp.

I haven't ever, nor would I ever suggest people use a round for game if I didn't feel/know it'd do well for them. And yeah this means that I've seen game (elk) taken with all those weights and yes it has been enough of them for me to feel comfy with it. I gotta tell you though, I'll use my method of measuring effectiveness and you can use yours as can JB.

So, I stand by what I say. A good .270 bullet of 110,120,130,140,150,160 will all and have all done very well for me and the people I've observed taking game with them.

As well, I know of a lot of elk each and every year taken by friends via the 25/06 and the 100,110,115,117, and 120's.

Bottom line, from my experience (and my resume is fairly good with the .270) I'm more than comfy with what I suggested. If you're not then Powder River let er buck and don't go there.

U have a good night there my friend.

Snowing like a big dawg here, and watching the OK-KS game.

Dober

Mark, Mark, Mark, all we want to know is your age, how much you can bench press, and if you have killed at least 100 elk, (bulls only please) in at least 6 different states.

Give up Logcutter...you don't live in Montanna,don't have a 7mm Mashburn, and are not one of the chronies. powdr

So back to my question: Has any shot recently produced Federal Premium ammo with the 150 Nosler Partition? How fast did it go?

I am taking some 110 TTSX and ESP Raptors to RSA on Friday and will report their "impact" on wildebeast etc.

The reason to use different weights in a .270 or any other caliber is because in the U.S. of A. we can. We have options and to some degree a little free will left in this 21st century we live in.

I did for a buddy a few years ago (not in the last year). They were 150 Partitions/Federal/24" barrel.

Average about 2750 to 2800 fps.

He cleanly killed 2 black bears with single shots over bait: a 200+ lb at 35 yds, and a 400 lb at 65 yds. They each traveled about 25 yds and were done.


Bob

www.bigbores.ca

RinB- Will you be using the Raptors with or without the tip? I'll be interested in hearing your results.

RED: Waiting

Blue: He did

Hotsoup, my son's 24" 700 SS using 150 PTs over 52/4350 (any higher too hot) chrono'd 2850. Not fast, but enough.

Hit a Mulie at 250-275 in the neck facing me, it did all but exit the azz end. It parachuted open, then closed the jacket as the base turned fwd as it followed the curvature around the ham vs. exiting straight line.

I s'pose a 110 Barnes would have drilled clean thru

For me, I have zero problems taking a 277 loaded w/140 ABs, 150 BTs, 150 PTs, or any accurate Barnes after elk. Oh, last - the 160 PT, I'd just as soon run that than 180 CL out of an 06 myself.

Several noted authors raved on the 140 Fail Safe by WW, no longer mfg, and how they flatten elk. Craig Boddington and others did fine w/them, though I hear that bullet 'fails to open' at long ranges.

The problem I have is how so many report the 270/130 kill so many elk, yet a 260 or 708 w/similar bc/sd like constructed bullets are just impotent

I'd expect a 150 Premium load to run 2800 to no more than 2900 out of a 24" bbl. 2950 is doable w/good handloads. 4831 is no doubt better than 4350 for speed and would be the next used for 150s, or another powder of similar rate.

6.5 - I have had IMR 7828 beat 4831. I'm satisfied with 7828 and therefore have not tried some of the NEWER powders that MIGHT very well beat that.

7828 give an HONEST 3100+ w/130s and will do 2900 or BETTER with a 150, depending on barrel and bll lenght.

I get 2930 FPS from my Winchester M70 XTR with 24" barrel using a stiff load of Winchester's discontinued WMR powder, Winchester brass, WLR primer and the Sierra 150 gr. game King.. That same load does 2870 FPS from a 1951 stamped FN commercial Mauser Sporter. Another 1973 FN commercial sporter I have would do 2900 FPS with a stiff load of the old milsurp 4831 and the 150 gr. Nosler Partition.. I haven't tried the WMR load in that gun yet. All three rifles have been sub-MOA with 150 gr. bulleted loads.
The only one that has shot any 130 gr. bullets is the rifle I got in 1973. It was accurate with the 130 gr. Sierra Pro-hunter and Nosler Partition. Dunno the velocity as no chronographs back then. I switched to the heavier bullets as they didn't mess up as much good eating meat.
All I will say about WMR is it has been an excellent powder in my .270, and .300 Win. mags. What little I've tried in the .280 Rem. shows promise but it ain't worth a damn in the 30-06.
Anyway, those are my results with 150 gr. bullets in a 25" barreled .270.
Paul B.

Jwall, no doubt, many overlook the really slower magnum type powders for small bores, esp. w/lower expansion ratios. 243 and 270s can perk using slower than typical powders. Thanks.

Paul - no doubt, all powders show a 'niche' for certain rounds and it pays to use the right combination.

Been awhile since I loaded a 150 in the 270;but when I did,I had no problem breaking 2900 from 22" and 23" barels.....this mostly with 58-58.5 H4831.

7828 is the nutz with 130's....have not tried it with 150's.

been using 59gr of RL22 with 140gr Sierra Gameking,in
new Vanguard S2 most accurate load I tryed so far. I,ll
run them through my Crono next week if weather is good.
60gr of RL22 with 130gr Interbond was second most accurate
load.Slow powder will work in shells with small necks and
medium to heavy bullets.

How did this conversation shift from factory 150 velocities to handloads I wonder?

Guess I'll join in

Back from the range tonight wringing out the new 270... 58.0 H4831sc and a 150 NBT gave 2,910 (23" bbl) and 3/4" accuracy.

Nice going Brad, were you useing a standard primer with that load?

Some guy's run a magnum and others run a standard, thanks.

I mostly use WLRP.

Fed 210M's... I've used magnums in the past with another 270... likely will have to give them a try too.

There ya go!That was easy....

Brad, did you lop the 270 barrel to 23" also?

In this bunch of LOONIES it doesn't make any sense.

Bob, as Hammerdown pointed out, it has indeed been cut to 23".

It's scopes with Leupold 6x36LR in Low Talley Lwt's. With Uncle Mikes Mountain Sling and four rounds it weighs 6lbs 10.5 oz's.

23 is a good thing on a LA, 22.5 ain't bad either.... Hate the 24 everytime I look/pu my sons 270...some day....

My 6.5s coming are 22 and 22.5......Short action, they get a free 1/2" via chamber design

Brad, yeah I figured it out.....why I got confused is you just got the rifle the other day .....wondering how you got it done so quick....good gunsmith close by, I guess!

He's a good smith and pushes my little projects through pretty quickly. Got back in town Thursday evening, picked the rifle up Friday am.

Did my usual tunings and tweaks... emery'd the feed ramp and underside rails, degreased bolt and trigger, tuned the trigger to 2.75lbs, mounted the Talley rings in JB Weld, bedded the forward receiver and barrel lug (Acraglas Gel). Saturday I lapped the rings and mounted the scope (in Rubber Cement), loaded up some rounds and went to "the range" (our rural property north of town).

Whew, I'm exhausted

Wow! I'll say!

I'd be thinking a week before I started!

Thinking slows everything down

BTW Bob, you ever use magnum primers in your 270's?

I went back to my notes form the mid-90's and found I was indeed running a mag primer in that M70 fwt 270.

Yes Brad; I use Fed 215's with RL22,RL25,and 7828.

One 270 went from so/so to outstanding (great accuracy and low spreads)with R22 once we made the switch to the Fed 215's.It doesn't always work like that....but....

Ever since seeing that I do use them with the slower burners. H4831 does fine with std WW primers IME.

Reading back, I discovered JOC used CCI 250's with those old WW II H4831 loads.

My 270's have 22.75" length barrels.

Recent load data:
110 TTSX 57.8 H4350e 3280
110 ESP Raptors 57.8 H4350e 3360
130 Scirroco 57.5 IMR 4831 3167 WARM
150 CTBS 57.0 IMR 7838ssc 2955 WARM
130 TTSX Barnes Vortex 3005
130 Federal Classic 3060
130 BBC 57.5 IMR 4831 3070

Rifle ULA 270 Win, Bartlien 1-9.25 CM, 22.75"

RinB: Those vels look good! How is the Bartlein shooting?

Groups are about .6-.7 with just about all loads and this from a 6 pound 4 ounce rifle with a 3x9 Ultralight. The 130 Scirroco's are good for about 3" which has been my recent experience sadly.

I've had the fortune of shooting more patterns with Scirrocos than groups....ug

Dober

Ditto that... never found them anything other than pattern makers.

Wow four pages and no chrono info yet.

I hear it is slower than you would think.

This ain't a good place to get info on factory ammo.....everyone here handloads.....(most anyway).....

I figured Brad would be back in a 270 pretty quick.. Im just glad he was without long enough to sell me all those 150 NPT's...

RinB, guess no one has done what you asked as the OP. Well, me either!BUT! When I got my Sako Finnbear[24" barrel], i also got 4 boxes of Win Super X factory ammo. 150's no less. I shot these over the screens at 2886-2890; 5 out of each box! And they are accurate.I love those 150's, so loaded up Hornady150's and 150 TSX's with 57.0gr H-4831sc and get 2885-2904 over the screens constantly with very good accuracy. Great load and great rifle.

Oh, BTW, those boxes of Win Super X's are the old yellow boxes.
Maybe from the 70's?