you guys all talk good about them so im looking into them.



im thinking about building a 25.06 starting with a remingnton 700.



the barrel would be #5 countour 24" finished lenght.



what im wondering about are flutes



im curies if any of you guys have a fluted pacnor barrel and if so would you maybe have pics of it on the rifle.



right now this only a gear turning slow in my head.



thankx in advance

Evan



i better indulge alittle more on this, im not in any way shape or form set on a pacnor barrel. never heard of them till comeing to this site.



i want the best barrel for the money how much money that is i have no idea. i wouldnt want to put more than a grand in to a barrel hopefully its closer to the 500-700 dollar area.



this also wont be a benchrest rifle as none of mine are. the fluted #5 contour seems to be about right. in a varmint hunting rifle in 24" lenght.



also i have visions of a 30.06 with the same barrel but 22"s long #5 countour and fluted.



two rifles or one im not sure.



i have an old sportman78 that could possibly turn into something one of these days.





any comments or advice will be greatly apreciated





thanks again

Evan

Evan; I have three rifles with Pac-Nor barrels, and I think they are fine barrels. Mind you I also have Douglas, Schilen, McLennan, Gaillard and Hart barrels on rifles. They all shoot better than I can. The real criteria is to choose a "smith who can build an accurate rifle. Good idea to look at a few examples of his work, and what sort of groups they will shoot. As for fluting, I only own one fluted barrel, a factory offering, so do not have much to say on that subject. Because of border hassles, I have gone to Canadian makers of late, of course, that is a non-issue for you. Hope you can find what you are looking for Regards, Eagleye.

Also, use the barrel your rifle-builder liks best. Make sure you see eye to eye with the builder. Do not push him into doing something he'd rather not--it never works out when you do that.

Wise words-play to your 'smith's strengths not his weakness...

BTW, I've never heard of schilen barrels. Are they canadian???

Here is my opinion for what it's worth. If you want the best barrel made, buy a Lilja. Second would be Kreiger then Pacnor, Hart, and Shilen all in the same group. Never tried anything else so I won't comment. As far as going with the barrel your smith likes, I don't agree unless it happens to be the same barrel manufacturer you like. I'd change smiths if all he used were Douglass or such. Not saying Douglass is a bad barrel but not the best. Don't know about you but my money is hard to come by so I only buy things once.

What are looking for in Pac-nor flutes. I just recieved a barreled action back from them in 7mm-08 Imp. #3 contour, six flutes, and they even spiral fluted and skeletonized the bolt. Each of which look very nice.

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Evan

Just a thought, each time I get a new barrel I have installed it on the action by the barrel maker. I figure who better knows how to install their own barrel.

Most will even true the action and bolt for a nominal cost.

Just send them your barreled action or take the factory barrel off if you have a barrel vise.

They ship you back a perfectly fitted barreled action.

Zero

Exactly,

If you don't like what your builder likes, get a new builder................

i agree with chuckn the smith if he doesnt like what you like.

Ive found in life your not happy till its done your way wrong or right.

Im also happy to see atleast one mans opion of pacnor barrels at the end of his list. that means I havent just been blind to them as the top notch barrel to have.

I agree too with haveing the barrel maker install the barrel. who needs a smith anyways.



anyways I have another question, Id also like to see more barrel opions to. only a couple gave opions the rest just said this is how id do it. you know alittle about how I think and how Im gona do need, now Id like your opion on what you consider to be the best barrel. i know everyones opion is difrent and alot of times not even close to the next guy. i may make my decicion in 180deg from any opions but ill make it because of your info.


anyways heres the question. remington made the sportsman78 from 1982-1984. Im wrong in asumeing this a 700 action, outfitted with cheaper blueing and lesser qualitly lumber.

if it is in fact 700 action then ill build a 270win out of it, because thats what it is and thats the aliber I grew up shooting, along with gorwing up with that rifle.


on to the fluted or unfluted.

Im wanting to build a acuarate rifle with a stiff barrel. thats why in the 270 or 30.06 id run heavy barrel with flutes in a 22" length. even had thoughts of possibly 20-21"s but 22"s seem right in my head.

short stiff and stubby right, with flutes to save a marginal amount of weight and keep a hint cooler while shooting paper.

I apreciat all your replies so far. any and all opions and advice are taken to heart.

thanks
Evan

I agree with Zero here. Have the barrel maker mount the barrel to the action. I am thinking about a project .416 Remington down the road a bit using a pac-nor barrel. I want stainless and fluted #2 contour. I priced it out on their website at about $250and close to $350 with mating to action and some action tuning to boot. That seems like a mighty fine price to me and well under the $500-700 you are looking to spend.

I would not say Pac-Nor is at the botton of my list. Far from it actually. They make a fine barrel and you will be pleased with one if that's what you decide. There are better barrels IMO but certianly no flies on a Pac-Nor.

Also hard to beat there prices. For a complete install of a SS super match, truing of the action, and cut a minimum deminsion chamber you'll be out about $440. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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You may have trouble finding someone to build a .416 on a #2 let alone fluting one. That combo don't leave much room for a hole <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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im thinkn Lilja but i havent made any decisions, one bad thing about them is they wont do any smith work on your rifle so youd have to have the barrel mated to the action elsewhere.

I havent heard anything bad about pacnor, and it doesnt look like i will on this foumn.

from what im gathering they might fit in the best bang for your buck category.

thanks for all your replies, keep em comeing if you have more opions or advice.

right now Im just in the thinking planning stage.

thanks
Evan

You're a tougher man than me! I don't even want to know what that thing would kick like, if you could get somebody to build it.

A 280AI on the 78,will cover lotsa bases.

I'd keep both the contour and barrel length modest,so as to yield a handy "all arounder".

No secret I think highly of PacNor................

Big stick

so the 78 is the the 700 action.

if i build off the sportman 78 I want to keep it a 270win

you are doing a good job of talkn me towards pacnor.

I think id go with the semi heavy barrel, just tad lighter than the remington vs barrels at 22"s with 6 flutes.

I wonderd bout 270AL but i dont see it being worth it for me because Im not much of reloader. I reload for one rifle and thats my 25.06 havent talked myself into spending the time on the others. I actualy dont like reloading all that much. but i do love what you can do with the 25.06 and its flexabilty.

next on the list to reload is my 22/250 and Im sure the 270wsm will follow it along with the 270win.

thanks for your reply
Evan

.416 #2 fluted........Some of us must enjoy pain <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

The 78 is a Plain Jane 700.

Handloading for a specific rifle,will eek more performance than anything else.

'Tis a shame IMHO,to feed a great tube,over the counter fodder....................

Big Stick said it best, Tis a shame to feed a great tube factory fodder.

If you do that its kinda like beating a dead horse. Whats the point!!!!

You will never see the benefits of a premium barrel.. MHO


Good luck

Brian

plans and ideas may be changeing.

Im thinking more towards a 25wsm, wich you know there is no facotry ammo for so id be loading everything.

i dont think the 700 action would be the easiest to build a 25wsm off of so Im thinking I might snag onother rifle in a wsm caliber of some kind.

so where to go from here Im not sure, If been thinking about what kinda rifle to build off of and Im not sure whats best.

a #1 standds out in my mind cause I could do a long barrel 26" or alittle longer and it would still be about the same lenght or shorter than bolt action with 24" barrel.

so if i wnet with a #1 what would the best caliber be to start with or would it even matter.

sorry Im putting you guys through my tiwsted un thought out mind, that seems to be how it goes with me and rifles, one idea one day and a difrent the next

thanks
Evan

Well I'll be the odd man out and say they're near the bottom of my list and if I decided to use a pac nor barrel they would be the last folks I'd get to install it. But I really think the best advice you've already received, go with what your smith likes. If the rifle doesn't meet the expectations you've discussed with him your more likely to get good follow up service. For most of us and what we use our rifles for it probably doesn't make a bit difference which you choose among the top ten, a good smith will make whichever you choose work just fine. That being said I still have my preferences as most. And whether thats based on voo doo or a single bad or good experience with a certain maker it effects our purchasing choices. I choose krieger, lilja for bores above .308 and I really like the Douglas contour for a classic type rifle and they shoot fine for me so far..

Pac-nor isn't my favorite either, mainly for the quality of the smithing services I got from them. However, saying that got me roasted over the coals last time I posted that here, so I'll shut up now.

You think you got roasted? Go back a year or so and read what they said about me. It got so bad I could have swarn someone placed a Pac-Nor barrel in Christ's hand when he was on the cross. All I said was I had a bad experience on another forum and it made it over here. You just cannot beat Shilen's customer service, period!

Evan,
A 700 Short is a great action to build a WSM on, provided either you start with a SAUM action or your smith is moderately skilled. I've done it three times with a 4th in the works, and my smith has done a pile of them on top of mine.

I think they feed better out of the 700 than they do out of a 70 that was designed for them.

BTW, that's a great town you live in. I've been through there several times and have a couple buddies that live there.

Pac-Nors smithing services disappointed me also. I just received my new 6.5/06 and the throat is rather short causing the need to seat the bullets deep! The cannulure of a Hornady is stuffed more than an 1/8" inside the trimmed case mouth.

And another thing, which is (my shortcoming) for not noticing prior to placing the order. My Pac-Nor #3 is actually heavier than my Lilja # 4! So I would caution everyone to examine the contours section carefully. Keep in mind their cylinder dimension is 3" before the radius begins, and their knuckle dimension is also thicker than many other brands.

Just some useful information about ordering from Pac-Nor.



When ordering a specific contour you need to state the finished length of the barrel.



A #3 contour has a muzzle diameter of .625" at a length of 28 inches. When you cut that off to 22" your muzzle diameter at that point will be about .04" larger. If you want a #3 contour at 22" you must say so, they will make the diameter .625 at 22" and work back toward the breech end from that, so a #3 at 22" is a lot lighter overall than a #3 at 28". Trust me, I know this from experience. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



Also you can specify the shank length. On my most recent barrel I asked for a 2 1/2" long shank on a #3 contour and they cut it like that.



FWIW, I like the factory contours on my Remingtons and Winchesters and most often have asked them to duplicate those, which they have done quite accurately.



No extra charge for any of the above alterations to their "standard" contours.

CAS

i think your the first one to think this is great town, I think it is but ivve lived here for all my life, though I have traveld to the east coast and worked for awhile so its not like I havent seen a few places. so far I havent found anywhere Id rather be.



Im gla

EVAN,,Idaho is a great place....................next to MONTANA!!!( pun intended ) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

yeah Idaho is great next to montana <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />







things are kinda going haywire, now, ive found that I can get the stock i want.



thing think hs just got dropped as my stock choice for this rifle, and acurate inovations wins hands down do to desing and my style. actualy think i may have to get a few of them.





tell me more about these gunsmiths, Id rather not even have to deal with a smith at all, but from what you guys say it may not be the best thing to ship my rifle of to a barrel maker.



sounds like the best thing to do is decide what barrel i want get it in my hands and then find a smith who will install it.



anyone in the Boise area know of any good ones, Im sure there are goods ones here somewhere





Thanks

Evan



ps

what would you all think of starting with a howa wsm