Now that his refund check has cleared, Beware Of BEJAMMIN! He really likes to over-exaggerate what he's selling and then try to get pissy about it. He's a flatout liar. More to follow.

Dave

This one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=66818321

Don't much care for his statement, makes it sound like you didn't pay him. I haven't trusted him since he had that 1899 250-3000 Deluxe with the European Scope mount as he called it. Les

Hmmm... another salesman's sample. These, by design, have two extra tap holes in the rear tang area, but I see this one has more than that - front bridge too. What else was wrong with the gun?

Looks like the stock has been butched...the buttplate fits poorly.

Jed and Boltman, what did you get from his comment about the last buyer,if you didn't know it was sent back? Les

I was suspicious. Didn't know the details.

Drilled and tapped through the "savage 99" on the reciever plus 1 extra hole in the back of the reciever, also non- factory sling studs looks like the stock is worn or sanded pretty flat checkering. Don

Hey guys,

Jed is right, wood was sanded badly and non Savage buttplate added (poorly), yet he still insists "all numbers match". They don't, because I've seen it with my own eyes.
Also a big chip in the wood behind the top tang that he "conveniently" failed to picture.
Big hassle trying get him to take it back, then he nickle and dimed me on the refund (charged me for gas money to drive to the gun shop to pick it up)
Funny, he changed the discription when he relisted it .

Buyer Beware of this "seller".

Dave

What's wrong with the butt plate?

It's" The Rifle" on auction again,write to him and ask what happened,interesting! Dave.

Not factory. My heart sank when I opened the box and saw it. Metal proud on one side, wood proud on the other. Removed it. Receiver serial # stamped in wood and JJ4 stamped on inside of buttplate.

Dave

This is an example of an advantage of posting auctions, at least after they have closed. Given so many people come to this site, there's no harm in them learning something. And, potential bidders learning about the problems this gun has should save someone from getting the same heardburn Dave did.

an objective look boltman...I like open-mindedness.
It seems as though not posting auctions is purely greed driven.

I understand there are reasons or let's say consequences of posting auctions. On the other hand, there is much to learn from posting auctions. They serve as good examples for all to learn from. The collective wisdom on this forum is far greater than the wisdom of any one individual here. There have been times in the past where someone posted an auction here and I have bid on it. I would most likely have found my way to it anyway. There have been other times where someone has posted an auction that I was already watching and planning to bid. As a result of that auction being posted and discussed, someone here spotted something I had not and this prompted me to NOT bid. This saved me from getting a package like Dave got and saved me from some major heartburn. For that, I was grateful. It's not all one way when it comes to posting auctions. And we know the secret is out anyway. You can easily search "Savage 99" on gunbroker and auctionarms and quickly come up with everything that is currently on auction. I suspect most guys here (and way beyond this forum) do this on a daily basis. Remember, if you want to keep something a secret, don't put it on the internet.

I think that these rifles that don't sell (are reposted) are great learning tools for all of us. We should post more of them and talk about the good and bad points. This SS had great photos with it and I think most problem areas are visible to a trained eye. And the only way to get a "trained eye" is with experence... preferably without $$$ attached.

I like the idea of NOT posting the ones that have not sold yet. This is a more of a collectors forum and I think we are more buyers that sellers. So why help the sellers make more money?

Not sure how to handle the "rats" that have sold. If it was bought as a "rat"...OK. But I don't want to run down someones purchase unless they ask first. We have all made some bad buys. I usually feel bad enough about it without getting laughed at by others.

That's a good point Rick. Mainly, I was thinking of running down the rats that someone not from this forum bought. But, we don't always know who everyone's handle is. I remember when I was mainly a lurker here I bought three Savage M1899's from Max France. Shortly after buying them, I discovered all three were being discussed on this forum and there were many concerns expressed. As it turned out, the guns weren't "right" and I returned all three. Could have saved myself some heartburn (and shipping money) had I stumbled on to the thread before buying. I wouldn't minimize how often the forum's discussion of an open auction has DISCOURAGED bidding.

Can keep a buyer from bidding too high. Only reason I used to post them, get everyones take on it, only after would I make a decnt bid, now, I am feeling comfortable, so I post pictures of the Aftermath and take my lumps, If I bought it, I don't mind being told that I bought crap if it was. Les

If I am thinking of buying something, I probably will not post it until afterward as I don't want to do anything that will draw more potential bidders in. I recently bought a first variation, .30/30, M99H in very high condition, all original with a tang sight for $700 on auction. I was the only bidder and was stunned by this. Why people didn't take an interest in this one sure was one on me. What the heck - let me post the link and you guys can pick it apart:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=66290098

Nothing wrong with that rifle, looks to be a very honest one to me. Les

I talked to John after auction close. He was very surprised I was the only bidder. A lot of people follow his auctions closely, so I don't know what the explanation is. I am particularly excited about it as I have another one that is a dead match to this one - including the wood. It is in a strong 99% condition. I sold it several years ago (on internet auction) and regretted it. About two years later, I contacted the buyer and sure enough he still had it. I pleaded for him to sell it back to me and he did - only adding his actual cost for a mint Lyman windage adjustable tang sight (he added $150 I think) that he had added to the rifle. I must have sounded pretty darn pitiful when I called

Good for ya. Les

Les - I know two reasons there were no bids on it - there is no ring on the left side of the receiver and it is not a .38/55!

If you find a 99 H with a ring on the side, I want it. And yeah you are probably right, 30-30 is just so plain. Les

The fruit wood stock and no side panels is what killed the sale most people don't beleive it is original . I got one in 303 for 165.00 shipped. not in as good as shape as yours stock is really rough.. good buy dude.

Here I go again. Prolly gonna bore some of you. But bear with me. eBay has a statement they make to entice individuals to sell on eBay. That statement is "where can you advertise and have potentially 10,000,000 customers looking at your item?" So my point is, if something is on the internet already and anyone thinks posting it here is going to give someone an advantage OR disadvantage is only fooling themselves. I saw the particular rifle you bought and I'm happy for you. The gun just doesn't appeal to me. I don't like fruitwood stocks OR birch, OR maple for that matter. I just got off GunsAmerica, and Auction Arms. Quite frankly I get pretty bored looking at PICTURES of guns. I personally don't mind an auction post. To me it looks like the prices are going to soar whether or not the auction is posted here or not. If anyone thinks they're alone on an auction,,THINK again. you got probably 10,000,000 others with you. Maybe not that many, but at least way more than you think..

Hubert - I know some guys don't like fruitwood stocks, but to me Savage could commit no sin in any rifle they made that is older than me. Show me ANY vintage M99 that is all original and has nice condition and I am IN LOVE. They just didn't make any bad ones back then. Vintage fruit wood doesn't turn me off a bit. Given this is the only model that didn't have side panels on it, I think you may be correct - many buyers who aren't real knowledgeable might assume they have been sanded off. I notice in Johns' ads, he often wrote very little about the gun as far as a detailed description - e.g. usually didn't give an estimate of percentage of original finish etc. I think providing a minimum of detailed info. on a gun doesn't help. I know I like to see a very detailed description.

I think she's a Nice Gun.
And About Right For What Been Going On Latley. JMO
Plus I Like J.E. STuff.
Steve

Boltman, You got a good deal on the rifle, i knew it was correct buti "HATE" fruitwood stocks as well as birch! Don

Huge difference to me between vintage fruitwood and modern birch. I will say the sometimes the vintage Winnies with gum wood stocks occasionally have some interesting grain patterns.

Nice looking gun, plus its a H carbine! John

Doesn't the older 99E have no side panels?

I'm thinking some of the later post mil 99Es didn't have panels. Believe the pre-war 99Es did. Murrays is out in the shop or I'd give a more difinitive answer.

I think I have a 1963 E in 300 sav with no side panels.It has a light color stock.

If it had been posted I might have run the bid up on you...I like the 99-H in all configurations. I think that one still had its original 22B front sight.

I bought one, fruitwood, from WesJ that he had at the Savage Fest. I had an ealy one with the very blond stock but it was to ruff to keep.

I dislike birch more than fruitwood, my brother dick dont mind fruitwood i think he has 2 or 3 h's with fruitwood stocks. Don

They were only made for about 1 1/2 to 2 years.

That's sure a short production run. By that measure, they are a rarity and I think these are sleepers - that other collectors will wake up to soon.

I think that H's are like post mil 94 carbines...There are other variations much more desirable...but rarer...of course
shotgun butted carbines...yesss

Not so load...I might want to buy another one.