If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
without feed and vet bills...
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-v-222-rem-20-gauge.cfm?gun_id=102181021
I'd have a new turkey gun.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...
I'd have a new turkey gun.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Thing being what they are, that price seems reasonable to me.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Im glad i never fell into that rabbit hole of collecting model 24's.It probably wont last long now ! 
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
I'd be all over it if I had the money.
Virginia allows rifle for turkey.
Virginia allows rifle for turkey.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
That would be a slick turkey rig in a state that allows both rifle and shotgun.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Nice that the state "allows" us to hunt.
Damn good of them.
Damn good of them.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
I've yet to live in one where turkeys can be plugged via rifle. 🤷♂️
Well before my time, but there was no open deer season here for about 60 years. No deer either, so the two sorta went hand in hand.
Well before my time, but there was no open deer season here for about 60 years. No deer either, so the two sorta went hand in hand.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Whitetail deer were basically eliminated from Nebraska by 1900. Seeing one was cause for a newspaper article. Turkeys were wiped out by 1915, antelope, elk, pretty much every wild game animal gone.
Deer hunting here didn't resume until 1945 when 277 deer were harvested.
Turkey weren't reintroduced until much later. By 1966 we were up to a whopping 3000 birds statewide. I didn't see a wild one until mid-80's.
More than happy that states manage hunting limits.
Deer hunting here didn't resume until 1945 when 277 deer were harvested.
Turkey weren't reintroduced until much later. By 1966 we were up to a whopping 3000 birds statewide. I didn't see a wild one until mid-80's.
More than happy that states manage hunting limits.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
There were no deer here in my immediate area from the 1890s until the 1960s when they were reintroduced from out of state stock. IL's first decade or so of modern deer seasons in the 50s/60s were restricted to just a few areas. It was the late 70s before the entire state had an open season again.
My folks both grew up around here, and my Dad has said he never saw a wild deer until he was into his early 20s.
My folks both grew up around here, and my Dad has said he never saw a wild deer until he was into his early 20s.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
I have one of those and wound not sell it for that price.
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Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
To those who use these O/U's - how well do they shoot for you? I had one, briefly, many years ago and gave up in disgust and sold it. The rifle barrel was lucky to put three into less than 3MOA, and trying to use it like a shotgun was an exercise in frustration. Maybe I was expecting too much out of it.
Turkeys were unknown in western Maryland when I was a kid. By the late 70's they were making a comeback and by 1990 were thick as fleas, all thanks to savvy game management. We can use rifles on them in the fall season, but shotguns only in the spring. Given that scenario I would carry a .22 Hornet in the fall, or a hotter cartridge handloaded down a lot - no point in destroying Little Jimmy's share of breast meat with a high velocity fragmenting bullet! A turkey hunting fool I know in PA has killed enough turkeys to feed the 1st Infantry Division. His rifle of choice: an old woebegone Mossberg .22WMR. (Seems sacrilegious to whack such a magnificent bird with such a plebian device!)
Turkeys were unknown in western Maryland when I was a kid. By the late 70's they were making a comeback and by 1990 were thick as fleas, all thanks to savvy game management. We can use rifles on them in the fall season, but shotguns only in the spring. Given that scenario I would carry a .22 Hornet in the fall, or a hotter cartridge handloaded down a lot - no point in destroying Little Jimmy's share of breast meat with a high velocity fragmenting bullet! A turkey hunting fool I know in PA has killed enough turkeys to feed the 1st Infantry Division. His rifle of choice: an old woebegone Mossberg .22WMR. (Seems sacrilegious to whack such a magnificent bird with such a plebian device!)
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Kansas was the same. 1st deer season was 1965. Turkeys introduced around the sate in the 60's and doing well.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Originally Posted by wyo1895
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
Certainly strive to, but the bobblehead of a turkey isn't always doable, plus it's a pretty small target to hit beyond point blank range unless you have a steady rest. He won't go far with a bullet poked through his chest.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
When you are using a combination gun on a turkey hunt, the shotgun barrel is used for head shots out to about 40 yards and the rifle barrel holding center mass from 40ish yards out to as far as you want to shoot.
Shooing at a wild turkey's head with a rifle barrel is about like flipping nickels and shooting at them with a Colt 45.
Mathematically... it is possible...
But unlikely.
Shooing at a wild turkey's head with a rifle barrel is about like flipping nickels and shooting at them with a Colt 45.
Mathematically... it is possible...
But unlikely.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Originally Posted by Calhoun
Whitetail deer were basically eliminated from Nebraska by 1900. Seeing one was cause for a newspaper article. Turkeys were wiped out by 1915, antelope, elk, pretty much every wild game animal gone.
Deer hunting here didn't resume until 1945 when 277 deer were harvested.
Turkey weren't reintroduced until much later. By 1966 we were up to a whopping 3000 birds statewide. I didn't see a wild one until mid-80's.
More than happy that states manage hunting limits.
Deer hunting here didn't resume until 1945 when 277 deer were harvested.
Turkey weren't reintroduced until much later. By 1966 we were up to a whopping 3000 birds statewide. I didn't see a wild one until mid-80's.
More than happy that states manage hunting limits.
Similar deal here in PA Rory. By the end of he 1800’s very few deer remained in PA. The Pennsylvania Game Commission was established in 1895 to protect the states wildlife resources. ‘State Game Lands’ we’re established and deer brought in from Michigan and Kentucky to restock the herd. In 2001 the PA deer herd was estimated at 1.5 million animals, about 30 deer per square mile.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Sorta related.... Before I moved to northern MN I thought there would be moose everywhere. Lots of moose related names around here. It turns out there are very few of them left. Kind of a big deal when you see one. Plenty it deer now though.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
What a coincidence. I know that guy. Nice guy. Dabbled and collected for years.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Originally Posted by damnesia
Sorta related.... Before I moved to northern MN I thought there would be moose everywhere. Lots of moose related names around here. It turns out there are very few of them left. Kind of a big deal when you see one. Plenty it deer now though.
Yeah, I was born and lived 16 years over 2 stints up there and saw a grand total of two moose. Are the moose tags there still a once in a lifetime draw?
There were also caribou once upon a time too, but they were pretty much gone by the 1930s.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Originally Posted by Rick99
Kansas was the same. 1st deer season was 1965. Turkeys introduced around the sate in the 60's and doing well.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
growing up in S.W. Ks. 1st sighting was early 60's, the word got out about all the alfalfa, wheat, corn ect and the population sored, now the drought has really taken its toll along with disease
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Originally Posted by Rick99
Kansas was the same. 1st deer season was 1965. Turkeys introduced around the sate in the 60's and doing well.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
Turkey is shotgun, only. Extra full choke (Turkey choke), head shots.
When I still lived and hunted in KS, I never saw a turkey. Now when I go back to visit I see large flocks of them.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
Turkeys were booming here in the 2000s into early 2010s, but they seem to have really thinned out since. I haven't seen a big gaggle of them together in several years. Now when I see them it's maybe half a dozen, not 20-30.
Deer are way down locally (not statewide). The # of filled tags for my county per season has dropped by almost 60% since 2012, which was the peak year. There weren't that many trees around here to begin with, and a ton of them have been lost to McMansion developments and farm tract consolidation over the past 15 years. Most of the treelines that used to mark field borders are gone. The deer are pretty much all bunched up in the tree belts along creeks and rivers now and don't roam nearly as much as they used to.
Deer are way down locally (not statewide). The # of filled tags for my county per season has dropped by almost 60% since 2012, which was the peak year. There weren't that many trees around here to begin with, and a ton of them have been lost to McMansion developments and farm tract consolidation over the past 15 years. Most of the treelines that used to mark field borders are gone. The deer are pretty much all bunched up in the tree belts along creeks and rivers now and don't roam nearly as much as they used to.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/23/23
In WV I only see turkey when they are on the other side of the window!
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Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
In the 1930's I have seen estimates that there were less than 500,000 whitetail deer in the United States. Today I've seen the number 30 million.
In the 30's 1/2 of those deer in the US lived inside the Adirondack Wilderness Area in NY state. My grandfather and his brothers made their living logging and guiding for the wealthy land owning logging barrens and families of the times. They guided not only very wealthy Americans but people from all over Europe who came to hunt deer. Mostly aristocrats and people from the royal families of all of Europe. He told me once that the guides shot most of the deer for the American hunters as they were drunk most of the time and only got out of camp to get their pictures taken in their fancy duds and new rifles with the deer the guides had shot.
The Europeans on the other hand he described as mostly dead series hunters and excellent marksmen. Especially the Austrians, Germans and Poles. He said most of them carried "fancy 3 barreled guns", some with 2 rifle barrels and a shotgun barrel and some with 2 shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel, what we would describe today as drillings.
In the 30's 1/2 of those deer in the US lived inside the Adirondack Wilderness Area in NY state. My grandfather and his brothers made their living logging and guiding for the wealthy land owning logging barrens and families of the times. They guided not only very wealthy Americans but people from all over Europe who came to hunt deer. Mostly aristocrats and people from the royal families of all of Europe. He told me once that the guides shot most of the deer for the American hunters as they were drunk most of the time and only got out of camp to get their pictures taken in their fancy duds and new rifles with the deer the guides had shot.
The Europeans on the other hand he described as mostly dead series hunters and excellent marksmen. Especially the Austrians, Germans and Poles. He said most of them carried "fancy 3 barreled guns", some with 2 rifle barrels and a shotgun barrel and some with 2 shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel, what we would describe today as drillings.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Thats a heck of a price for that Savage. Cheapest Ive seen in a while
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Fireball, I like the way you think !
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by hihobruce77
Fireball, I like the way you think !
Thanks hiho. I guess if we threw a party there'd be two of us. Or maybe we could draw a crowd if we did it in a cemetery. LOL
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
If I had a million dollars...
I'd buy a nice Reliant automobile!
I'd buy a nice Reliant automobile!
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by wyo1895
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by 99guy
In the 1930's I have seen estimates that there were less than 500,000 whitetail deer in the United States. Today I've seen the number 30 million.
In the 30's 1/2 of those deer in the US lived inside the Adirondack Wilderness Area in NY state. My grandfather and his brothers made their living logging and guiding for the wealthy land owning logging barrens and families of the times. They guided not only very wealthy Americans but people from all over Europe who came to hunt deer. Mostly aristocrats and people from the royal families of all of Europe. He told me once that the guides shot most of the deer for the American hunters as they were drunk most of the time and only got out of camp to get their pictures taken in their fancy duds and new rifles with the deer the guides had shot.
The Europeans on the other hand he described as mostly dead series hunters and excellent marksmen. Especially the Austrians, Germans and Poles. He said most of them carried "fancy 3 barreled guns", some with 2 rifle barrels and a shotgun barrel and some with 2 shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel, what we would describe today as drillings.
In the 30's 1/2 of those deer in the US lived inside the Adirondack Wilderness Area in NY state. My grandfather and his brothers made their living logging and guiding for the wealthy land owning logging barrens and families of the times. They guided not only very wealthy Americans but people from all over Europe who came to hunt deer. Mostly aristocrats and people from the royal families of all of Europe. He told me once that the guides shot most of the deer for the American hunters as they were drunk most of the time and only got out of camp to get their pictures taken in their fancy duds and new rifles with the deer the guides had shot.
The Europeans on the other hand he described as mostly dead series hunters and excellent marksmen. Especially the Austrians, Germans and Poles. He said most of them carried "fancy 3 barreled guns", some with 2 rifle barrels and a shotgun barrel and some with 2 shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel, what we would describe today as drillings.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
I had a handi rifle 8n 204 that head shot a Jake at about 75 yards.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Very nice looking rifle.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by wyo1895
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
I didn't know that. When did that happen?
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Rifle -- wing butt
shotgun--head
shotgun--head
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by wyo1895
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
I didn't know that. When did that happen?
Gary,
PA banned all single projectile firearms for turkey hunting in 2021 because of declining turkey populations.
I used Speer 55 GR. Full Metal Jackets in a Vixen 222 Rem. and also shot for the wing joint. Humane kills w/o a lot of meat damage.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
The only turkey I shot was from a tree stand in Georgia. I was deer hunting with a 30-06 and wasn't about to shoot it in the body so I shot it in the head. Probably 40 feet away.
My Father and his family lived in Georgia until about 1928. There were no deer. The land was all plantations. No good cover for deer. The depression came along and the plantations went broke and were bought up by lumber companies who planted trees. I think some deer were brought in from Michigan or somewhere and thrived. When I was spending the Winter there from 2005 to 2015 the hunting limit for deer was 2 bucks and 10 does. We saw a lot of dead deer along the highways. A lot of people considered them a nuisance.
My Father and his family lived in Georgia until about 1928. There were no deer. The land was all plantations. No good cover for deer. The depression came along and the plantations went broke and were bought up by lumber companies who planted trees. I think some deer were brought in from Michigan or somewhere and thrived. When I was spending the Winter there from 2005 to 2015 the hunting limit for deer was 2 bucks and 10 does. We saw a lot of dead deer along the highways. A lot of people considered them a nuisance.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
The reason I moved to Virginia.
More liberal in what they allow,
Less liberal in their politics.
Moved from upstate NY. Night and day.
More liberal in what they allow,
Less liberal in their politics.
Moved from upstate NY. Night and day.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by Nessmuk
The reason I moved to Virginia.
More liberal in what they allow,
Less liberal in their politics.
Moved from upstate NY. Night and day.
More liberal in what they allow,
Less liberal in their politics.
Moved from upstate NY. Night and day.
Same. I was born and raised in Oswego county, but my old family is from Lewis County.
Could not get out of NY state fast enough. Spent 30 years in Pa before I got to Va. Wild horses would not drag me back to NY state. The weather sucks, the politics suck and the taxes suck.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Originally Posted by Poconojack
Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by wyo1895
Don't you shoot them in the head with a rifle?
I didn't know that. When did that happen?
Gary,
PA banned all single projectile firearms for turkey hunting in 2021 because of declining turkey populations.
I used Speer 55 GR. Full Metal Jackets in a Vixen 222 Rem. and also shot for the wing joint. Humane kills w/o a lot of meat damage.
Thanks, Ted. I guess I won't take a .22 Hornet along to PA this fall for hunting. Oh wait, I still can as they allow its use for deer. Or did that change too? (Kidding, sort of. A .218 Bee is a much better deer cartridge.
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Re: If wishes were horses - 01/24/23
Same. I was born and raised in Oswego county, but my old family is from Lewis County.
Could not get out of NY state fast enough. Spent 30 years in Pa before I got to Va. Wild horses would not drag me back to NY state. The weather sucks, the politics suck and the taxes suck.
I lived in West Leyden. Had 150 acres. 6 months under snow. 1 month of mud. 4 months of biting bugs. I month to hunt.
Could not get out of NY state fast enough. Spent 30 years in Pa before I got to Va. Wild horses would not drag me back to NY state. The weather sucks, the politics suck and the taxes suck.
I lived in West Leyden. Had 150 acres. 6 months under snow. 1 month of mud. 4 months of biting bugs. I month to hunt.
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/25/23
I just got one of those Savages...I literally just walked in the door with it and was reading the forum tonight, while eating and thought it was kind of ironic to see the post and just get the same model...traded a nice Security Six 6in blued, revolver for the Model 24, 30-30 over 20ga, case colored receiver, see the pics
Description: Color Cased Reciever
Re: If wishes were horses - 01/25/23
That is nice:)