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Posted By: GeneB refinished early lever - 12/05/23
I had a local gunsmith who is now semi-retired color case harden a couple pieces for me. I'm happy with how these came out. The lever is an early type to replace a chrome plated one on a custom engraved 1899. It had little original finish on the exposed part when I got it. The part of the lever normally inside the receiver still had a lot of color on it and I didn't polish any of that, the old finish was left as it was and it came out OK. I won't know if the lever warped any until installation, but I did try the pivot hole and a pin from another gun fits it. I don't know if the colors are close to the originals or not, but it should look a lot better than a chromed one.

I haven't put anything on the lever since I got it, I am thinking about trying to give it a coat of varnish, which I think was how they did the originals, so I don't want oil on it if I do that, but I don't know if varnish formulas available today will look the same.

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The hammer is for a friend who has a nice long cartridge action Whitney-Kennedy saddle ring carbine that has the spur broken off. I tried a test fit on my Whitney and I found the hole is undersize, I didn't try this hammer on it before, so I'm not sure if it shrunk or if it started out the size it is. The pin in my gun is just over 1/4" at 0.254" and the hole in the 'new' hammer will just take a 0.250 drill bit. I ordered a 6.5 mm carbide drill bit (0.2559") to open it up a little. I've seen several Whitney's with broken hammer spurs and when a very nice hammer showed up on eBay several years ago it brought over $350 - my friend's losing bid.
They look nice to me. And not overly done.
Curious what the "before" may have looked like?? And the rest of the custom engraved rifle.
Posted By: damnesia Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
This looks great.
Posted By: GeneB Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
That lever is for this rifle -

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...anyone looking for a chrome lever?
Posted By: Calhoun Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
That's a pretty gun! And I like the lever, too many gunsmiths now overdo the colors. That will look like it belongs.
Posted By: Jaaack Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
I think that lever will look very nice on that rifle. The chrome lever is too gaudy for my taste.
Posted By: 99guy Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
Beautiful rifle.
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
I've had good luck using clear lacquer. Spray can works but lacquer thinned with lacquer thinner works better, less thick/noticeable. (PIA doing it that way because it has to be sprayed. Been meaning to try dipping. Tried brushing on clear lacquer once (not on a gun part), what a fiasco.)

Lacquer has always been the preferred protectant, as far as I know. Never heard of anybody using varnish. Some guys just wax CCH'ed stuff - I did that with a CCH'ed Martini action and it has held up nicely (Renaissance Wax).
Posted By: steve99 Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
The case coloring came out well Gene. I think it will compliment your rifle very nicely.
Posted By: Loggah Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
Wow!! those are great !! I guess I better be careful with my Whitney,i didn't realize the hammers were that fragile. shocked
Posted By: wyo1895 Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
Gene, how about a closeup of the engraving on the sides of the receiver?
Posted By: Lightfoot Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
That is probably the best match to the original Savage colors I've seen. Most of them are way over done.

Let us know how well the lever fits.
Posted By: LHS905 Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
Wow! Love the stock work. Excellent project.

LHS
Posted By: Poconojack Re: refinished early lever - 12/06/23
That looks smart
Posted By: Rick99 Re: refinished early lever - 12/07/23
I've asked several times over the years, with no reply, if it was possible to CCH a part to look used vs the brightly colored "looks like new" finish that you usually see. That lever is the first that is close to what I had in mind. Very nice.
Posted By: Txtrout Re: refinished early lever - 12/07/23
That is excellent! You could cerocoat the lever as another option. Would be very thin.

I've normally used clear lacquer over case coloring, but I've recently seen a couple with cera coat and they looked great.
Posted By: Malcolm Re: refinished early lever - 12/07/23
That's a nice one alright. Now it would be nice to know on a print out of instructions just how the gunsmith did that job step by step. When I asked Turbull a question like that ,they just laughed . The way gyes are ruining rifles nowadays that precious information made available would save many from the pscycadelic look.
Posted By: GeneB Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
I finally got the levers swapped. It went in without any adjustment and closed the action smoothly with just enough tension to keep the lever from dropping. I did spray it with lacquer but I am not happy with the results, I did it three times, completely removing the previous attempts. I finally decided to just get it back together, at least for now. It did not come out very smooth but the light has to be at the right angle to see that so it looks good in the pictures.
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I posted pictures of this gun before but here are some better ones of the engraving, it's hard to get the light right - these pictures do not show the color of the blue correctly, they make it look almost like there is no finish.
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I thought I might not be able to get the stock off, I knew there was a repair but they used too much glue and it was stuck to one of the tangs making it almost impossible to get off. I scraped out the excess glue and the stock went back a lot easier than it came off. I had the buttplate off before, it's the original stock but you can see it originally had a shotgun butt, I think some of the grain on the toe must have been painted on to match the original since it looks like it's built up with Acraglas or something. The crescent buttplate has had the toe shortened slightly and curved in a little when compared to another.
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Posted By: GeneB Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
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The bolt is an oddity, it's a square back but there isn't a cocking indicator, or one on the rifle. It's also got a rebounding firing pin. I've only had early guns apart and have not seen anything like this on one before. The extended prong on the upper front is a milled feature integral with the bolt body. The condition of the bolt and other internals is amazing, there is almost no wear on anything, the bore is excellent too.

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ADDED-- the serial number dates the gun to 1908
Posted By: Calhoun Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
Switch to the cocking indicator was at serial number 90.000 in June, 1908. looks as though you have a pre-90,000 receiver and a post-90,000 bolt - except for the flat back. I wonder if they were able to grind the rounded back on a post-90,000 bolt flat to fit, or if yours is a one-off? Looking at a pre-90,000 vs post 90,000 - I bet they just ground the back of it flat.
Posted By: Loggah Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
My brother has a 1899 without a cocking indicator also, i think it has a rounded bolt rear,right around 90,000 s/n. Don
Really nice gun and work on it Gene!
Posted By: Lightfoot Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
I'd say you're right about that Rory. It doesn't look perfectly straight across at the back. I see a tiny curve to it, unless the camera is doing that. Must have been a last minute act of desperation. BTDT...
Posted By: lovemy99 Re: refinished early lever - 12/09/23
Originally Posted by GeneB
I haven't put anything on the lever since I got it, I am thinking about trying to give it a coat of varnish, which I think was how they did the originals, so I don't want oil on it if I do that, but I don't know if varnish formulas available today will look the same.

Galazan makes a product specifically for protecting case color... I have no idea what it is but it just wipes on with a rag and the small bottle is probably a life times supply.
Posted By: GeneB Re: refinished early lever - 12/10/23
Originally Posted by Lightfoot
I'd say you're right about that Rory. It doesn't look perfectly straight across at the back. I see a tiny curve to it, unless the camera is doing that. Must have been a last minute act of desperation. BTDT...
Looking at it again the top does appear to be slightly curved, but that is from a beveled edge that gets deeper at the sides, so it's just at the top edge - possible from what's left of an even bevel on a curved back? but I see no signs of any curved machining, all the machining lines behind the locking surface are perpendicular to the bolt.

The serial number is 84550, which I though was not very close to the change to the rounded rear bolt, but Rory informed me that right around that number is when they made the changes and jumped to 90,000 leaving a gap in the numbers, so it's near the change over point. I had thought the bolt was possibly a later replacement, but seeing the condition of all the other internal parts match, I now think it could be original to the gun. With how little wear is on the internals that had to be a very nice gun before they customized it. I have no idea who did the work, or when.

I will look into the Galazan product, the lacquer seems to work, just not real smooth, but I think I know what caused that, I sprayed it outside and it was at the low end of the temperature range listed on the can. It's just going to sit for now, getting rid of that chromed lever has been something I've wanted to do since I got it.
Posted By: lovemy99 Re: refinished early lever - 12/10/23
Gene... they may not make it any more... I searched on their website briefly and didn't see it.
Posted By: JoeMartin Re: refinished early lever - 12/10/23
Drew, I’m going to be making several gun related call’s tomorrow, I’ll add them to my calendar. I never look at my calendar, because it’s full of to do stuff, I don’t want to do. But I’ll try to remember.
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