I have not been on here for a while but I use to be Gramps2 and had to update my profile. BUYER BEWARE especially if your thinking about buying a new Kimber 84L Montana. My advice would be DO NOT. I have two older 84 Montana's that have been super, but it looks like Kimber's are more expensive, and quality has gone down the crapper. The day started off OK with a call from my local FFL telling me that my rifle had come in. When I looked in the box, the stock was not the dark green I had ordered. After a few minutes, I said, awe hell it's green enough, and it's a 280 AI. Took it home put it on the kitchen table and finished a plumbing project. Opened the box for a further inspection, and something did not look right with the trigger guard. I took it outside, and the trigger guard was damn near white. Tapped on it with a finger nail and it seemed to be plastic. By this time I had worked up a good MAD. Called Kimber and got a nice lady who said, they are all that way. (she was the first of their defense) I said, I have two 84's in my safe and they are STAINLESS STEEL. Asked to talk to her boss (defensive line 2). He sounded like he had just finished boot camp, and took offense in my term, plastic, insisting that it was aluminum and much better than stainless steel, which I guess is the company go to answer. I said if it is better than stainless I will take it off, and you can send me a stainless tg, and I will send your wonder tg back to you. His reply was we don't have a stainless steel tg. Let me talk to your superior, enter the (third line of their defense) a (believe it or not) guy named RAY JUNK. I told him his last name fit what they now call a trigger guard. He seems like an ok guy, and I said I am not trying to be difficult, all I want is a stainless steel trigger guard, there are not any was his reply, but to placate me he would make some calls, and get back with me in thirty minutes. Calls, and they have now been sold or destroyed, none in all of Kimber world. I informed him that I have 2 Kimber 45's and now 3 Kimber rifles, a $6,000 (plus or minus) investment in Kimber. I asked to talk to his superior and he said, I'am it. Would not give me a name or number to call. At this point I have had enough, and we close on words I have not used in a long time. I now have the name of Leslie Edelman their as of 2016 CEO also Gregory Grogan their COO. I ain't letting this bone loose. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE, IN THINKING THEY ARE WHAT THEY USE TO BE. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT I WAS LIED TO BY ALL . I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING KIMBER MAKES!!!! WHEN ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A STAINLESS STEEL TRIGGER GUARD. NOT VERY SMART OF A COMPANY TO LOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER SOMETHING AS CHEAP AS A STAINLESS TRIGGER GUARD. JOIN THOSE LIKE MYSELF AND REFUSE TO GET SCREWED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THOSE LIKE MYSELF, WHO SAY "I WILL NEVER BUY A KIMBER"
Sounds like a bad deal. I had mine with Beretta/Sako so I know they happen. Maybe a picture would make a good story better, just for those with matching rifles can compare. One more thing; did you ask for a buy back? If I were that disgusted I'd be asking for my money in a big way. Good luck.
Kimber and I have parted ways a very long time ago and I will never own anything they make ever again !!!!!!! And that's all I have to say about that. Widow
I'm not sure why, after completing a voluntary transaction, and then finding oneself dissatisfied with the result of that transaction, the first choice for behavior is to get on the phone and be an ass hole to complete strangers.
I am sure Kimber is fine that such ass holes are no longer patrons of their goods/services, if this is the way said ass holes deal with dissatisfaction.
I have not been on here for a while but I use to be Gramps2 and had to update my profile. BUYER BEWARE especially if your thinking about buying a new Kimber 84L Montana. My advice would be DO NOT. I have two older 84 Montana's that have been super, but it looks like Kimber's are more expensive, and quality has gone down the crapper. The day started off OK with a call from my local FFL telling me that my rifle had come in. When I looked in the box, the stock was not the dark green I had ordered. After a few minutes, I said, awe hell it's green enough, and it's a 280 AI. Took it home put it on the kitchen table and finished a plumbing project. Opened the box for a further inspection, and something did not look right with the trigger guard. I took it outside, and the trigger guard was damn near white. Tapped on it with a finger nail and it seemed to be plastic. By this time I had worked up a good MAD. Called Kimber and got a nice lady who said, they are all that way. (she was the first of their defense) I said, I have two 84's in my safe and they are STAINLESS STEEL. Asked to talk to her boss (defensive line 2). He sounded like he had just finished boot camp, and took offense in my term, plastic, insisting that it was aluminum and much better than stainless steel, which I guess is the company go to answer. I said if it is better than stainless I will take it off, and you can send me a stainless tg, and I will send your wonder tg back to you. His reply was we don't have a stainless steel tg. Let me talk to your superior, enter the (third line of their defense) a (believe it or not) guy named RAY JUNK. I told him his last name fit what they now call a trigger guard. He seems like an ok guy, and I said I am not trying to be difficult, all I want is a stainless steel trigger guard, there are not any was his reply, but to placate me he would make some calls, and get back with me in thirty minutes. Calls, and they have now been sold or destroyed, none in all of Kimber world. I informed him that I have 2 Kimber 45's and now 3 Kimber rifles, a $6,000 (plus or minus) investment in Kimber. I asked to talk to his superior and he said, I'am it. Would not give me a name or number to call. At this point I have had enough, and we close on words I have not used in a long time. I now have the name of Leslie Edelman their as of 2016 CEO also Gregory Grogan their COO. I ain't letting this bone loose. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE, IN THINKING THEY ARE WHAT THEY USE TO BE. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT I WAS LIED TO BY ALL . I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING KIMBER MAKES!!!! WHEN ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A STAINLESS STEEL TRIGGER GUARD. NOT VERY SMART OF A COMPANY TO LOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER SOMETHING AS CHEAP AS A STAINLESS TRIGGER GUARD. JOIN THOSE LIKE MYSELF AND REFUSE TO GET SCREWED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THOSE LIKE MYSELF, WHO SAY "I WILL NEVER BUY A KIMBER"
I have not been on here for a while but I use to be Gramps2 and had to update my profile. BUYER BEWARE especially if your thinking about buying a new Kimber 84L Montana. My advice would be DO NOT. I have two older 84 Montana's that have been super, but it looks like Kimber's are more expensive, and quality has gone down the crapper. The day started off OK with a call from my local FFL telling me that my rifle had come in. When I looked in the box, the stock was not the dark green I had ordered. After a few minutes, I said, awe hell it's green enough, and it's a 280 AI. Took it home put it on the kitchen table and finished a plumbing project. Opened the box for a further inspection, and something did not look right with the trigger guard. I took it outside, and the trigger guard was damn near white. Tapped on it with a finger nail and it seemed to be plastic. By this time I had worked up a good MAD. Called Kimber and got a nice lady who said, they are all that way. (she was the first of their defense) I said, I have two 84's in my safe and they are STAINLESS STEEL. Asked to talk to her boss (defensive line 2). He sounded like he had just finished boot camp, and took offense in my term, plastic, insisting that it was aluminum and much better than stainless steel, which I guess is the company go to answer. I said if it is better than stainless I will take it off, and you can send me a stainless tg, and I will send your wonder tg back to you. His reply was we don't have a stainless steel tg. Let me talk to your superior, enter the (third line of their defense) a (believe it or not) guy named RAY JUNK. I told him his last name fit what they now call a trigger guard. He seems like an ok guy, and I said I am not trying to be difficult, all I want is a stainless steel trigger guard, there are not any was his reply, but to placate me he would make some calls, and get back with me in thirty minutes. Calls, and they have now been sold or destroyed, none in all of Kimber world. I informed him that I have 2 Kimber 45's and now 3 Kimber rifles, a $6,000 (plus or minus) investment in Kimber. I asked to talk to his superior and he said, I'am it. Would not give me a name or number to call. At this point I have had enough, and we close on words I have not used in a long time. I now have the name of Leslie Edelman their as of 2016 CEO also Gregory Grogan their COO. I ain't letting this bone loose. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE, IN THINKING THEY ARE WHAT THEY USE TO BE. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT I WAS LIED TO BY ALL . I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING KIMBER MAKES!!!! WHEN ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A STAINLESS STEEL TRIGGER GUARD. NOT VERY SMART OF A COMPANY TO LOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER SOMETHING AS CHEAP AS A STAINLESS TRIGGER GUARD. JOIN THOSE LIKE MYSELF AND REFUSE TO GET SCREWED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THOSE LIKE MYSELF, WHO SAY "I WILL NEVER BUY A KIMBER"
You can't tell me that in all of Kimberland they can't come up with a stainless steel trigger guard. I don't know what happened to Kimber in 2016, but they have decided to cheapen their rifles. If the trigger guard was polished aluminum I might be OK with it. However the new ones have a glossy paint on them that makes it look almost white. Who would want a glossy white trigger guard on a stainless steel rifle. I have two 84 Kimbers that all match from barrel, action, bolt, receiver, and trigger guard. If you know what happened in 2016 with Kimber, I would appreciate you educating me. I went on line to some gun site's (gun broker, guns America) and I saw that a few of them, some used, some called new old stock, and just about all of them mentioned 2016 and earlier. Looking back, I should have bought one of those, but there were only a couple in 280 Ackley, which was the caliber I wanted. I bought a gun thinking it would be like my other Kimbers, and it sure is not.
Montana's haven't come with ss trigger guards since 2015. You could probably sell your aluminum one here for twice as much as a stainless one goes for.
You can't tell me that in all of Kimberland they can't come up with a stainless steel trigger guard. I don't know what happened to Kimber in 2016, but they have decided to cheapen their rifles. If the trigger guard was polished aluminum I might be OK with it. However the new ones have a glossy paint on them that makes it look almost white. Who would want a glossy white trigger guard on a stainless steel rifle. I have two 84 Kimbers that all match from barrel, action, bolt, receiver, and trigger guard. If you know what happened in 2016 with Kimber, I would appreciate you educating me. I went on line to some gun site's (gun broker, guns America) and I saw that a few of them, some used, some called new old stock, and just about all of them mentioned 2016 and earlier. Looking back, I should have bought one of those, but there were only a couple in 280 Ackley, which was the caliber I wanted. I bought a gun thinking it would be like my other Kimbers, and it sure is not.
Maybe it's just me, but if you like everything ELSE about a Kimber, then it seems like a far more productive option would have been to recognize the production change and let it go as a "I didn't know that" moment, politely move on from said changed production choice and advertise on here to swap trigger guards with one of the guys on the fire who likes aluminum better than stainless.
You can't tell me that in all of Kimberland they can't come up with a stainless steel trigger guard. I don't know what happened to Kimber in 2016, but they have decided to cheapen their rifles. If the trigger guard was polished aluminum I might be OK with it. However the new ones have a glossy paint on them that makes it look almost white. Who would want a glossy white trigger guard on a stainless steel rifle. I have two 84 Kimbers that all match from barrel, action, bolt, receiver, and trigger guard. If you know what happened in 2016 with Kimber, I would appreciate you educating me. I went on line to some gun site's (gun broker, guns America) and I saw that a few of them, some used, some called new old stock, and just about all of them mentioned 2016 and earlier. Looking back, I should have bought one of those, but there were only a couple in 280 Ackley, which was the caliber I wanted. I bought a gun thinking it would be like my other Kimbers, and it sure is not.
Montana's haven't come with ss trigger guards since 2015. You could probably sell your aluminum one here for twice as much as a stainless one goes for.
There's an idea. I'll bet someone would be more than happy to trade straight up.
You can't tell me that in all of Kimberland they can't come up with a stainless steel trigger guard. I don't know what happened to Kimber in 2016, but they have decided to cheapen their rifles. If the trigger guard was polished aluminum I might be OK with it. However the new ones have a glossy paint on them that makes it look almost white. Who would want a glossy white trigger guard on a stainless steel rifle. I have two 84 Kimbers that all match from barrel, action, bolt, receiver, and trigger guard. If you know what happened in 2016 with Kimber, I would appreciate you educating me. I went on line to some gun site's (gun broker, guns America) and I saw that a few of them, some used, some called new old stock, and just about all of them mentioned 2016 and earlier. Looking back, I should have bought one of those, but there were only a couple in 280 Ackley, which was the caliber I wanted. I bought a gun thinking it would be like my other Kimbers, and it sure is not.
Have you ever heard of paint? Other than the stuff your sniffing.
I must be a poor rifleman, but I like the newer Kimber rifles more than the older ones. But shouldn't it be in a description somewhere what the parts are made of?
If you dislike like the rifle so much, I would cough up 700 bucks and take your problem.
I must be a poor rifleman, but I like the newer Kimber rifles more than the older ones. But shouldn't it be in a description somewhere what the parts are made of?
If you dislike like the rifle so much, I would cough up 700 bucks and take your problem.
Besides the humor posts, here is the only answer you need I believe.
Through the years I have owned four of the Kimber Montana rifles. I guess I am a slow learner. Anyway, they ranged from maybe OK to oh my God. Never again.
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger guard. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I think a lot of people who claim to have under .5 all day on the internet have a very small sample size, like the rifle normally shoots 1” but one time it was .5. I think it was form who said that most tikkas are 1-1.5 normally... and sometimes it’ll be smaller. That’s just my take.
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I think a lot of people who claim to have under .5 all day on the internet have a very small sample size, like the rifle normally shoots 1” but one time it was .5. I think it was form who said that most tikkas are 1-1.5 normally... and sometimes it’ll be smaller. That’s just my take.
I wasn't serious, should have added on a rolled eye smiley.
Addition: According to some here a 1.5inch Tikka was never allowed out the door. Seriously.
Fugg a bunch of Kimber rifles! I only have four of them bastids, three Subalpines and one Montana, but I'll show them! I am only gonna buy one more Montana and im gonna quit ( unless I find a good deal on an Open Country model 😁)........Hb
SO, what Gramps is saying is if you buy a Kimber for elk hunting, you're ok. It's just trying to use one while deer hunting that you'll run into problems with the white triggerguard.
I just got some new to Me news from a Kimber customer service rep. I called Kimber today to ask about any new rifle models for 2019 and The Rep (Jason) told Me no new models for 2019 as they are going to be busy moving rifle manufactering from the Yonkers New York plant to a brand new state of the art facility in Troy, Alabama.....Kimber rifles may be a little scarce this year, if you got your eye in one I think I would be making a move to get it soon..👍.....Hb
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I think a lot of people who claim to have under .5 all day on the internet have a very small sample size, like the rifle normally shoots 1” but one time it was .5. I think it was form who said that most tikkas are 1-1.5 normally... and sometimes it’ll be smaller. That’s just my take.
I wasn't serious, should have added on a rolled eye smiley.
Addition: According to some here a 1.5inch Tikka was never allowed out the door. Seriously.
I dunno , I think some of them 1.5 Tikkas made it to me.
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I think a lot of people who claim to have under .5 all day on the internet have a very small sample size, like the rifle normally shoots 1” but one time it was .5. I think it was form who said that most tikkas are 1-1.5 normally... and sometimes it’ll be smaller. That’s just my take.
I wasn't serious, should have added on a rolled eye smiley.
Addition: According to some here a 1.5inch Tikka was never allowed out the door. Seriously.
I dunno , I think some of them 1.5 Tikkas made it to me.
That great Buck in the avatar makes up for the Tikka misfortune. Goes to show, you can't have it all.
Haha!!! Pard bought a 325 wsm Montana when they came out. Wasn't impressed then, not impressed now. I'll keep slumming junk Remingtons..
Remington’s is good. My last two important rifle purchases were Remington clones by Borden. The QC/QA may have diminished over the years but I still like the design & functionality.
FWIW I have no feelings about kimber either way as I never owned one, however I asked a local custom smith about them since he worked for them for a time. He said I don't own one and smiled. Guess I got my answer. But of course you can find good and bad examples of anything man built.
Good god gramps! Was Kimber suppose to have you sign off on the engineering change before they changed the material? You ought to go look at the new Ford 150s that will really send you through the roof. And they never called to ask for your permission as well.
I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
I think a lot of people who claim to have under .5 all day on the internet have a very small sample size, like the rifle normally shoots 1” but one time it was .5. I think it was form who said that most tikkas are 1-1.5 normally... and sometimes it’ll be smaller. That’s just my take.
I wasn't serious, should have added on a rolled eye smiley.
Addition: According to some here a 1.5inch Tikka was never allowed out the door. Seriously.
I dunno , I think some of them 1.5 Tikkas made it to me.
Threads like these are one of the big reasons I would never buy a Kimber. No I have never owned one, and I don't play roulette.
So where in this thread that talks ANYTHING about poor quality or any substantive problem? Who cares if you won't buy one?
Cry Baby Gramps has a personal preference and he is crying he didn't get his way.
I happen to agree with him and prefer the look of the stainless steel trigger guard, but big deal it's a trigger guard. Plenty of rifles have worse constructed trigger guards. My last Kimber Montana had the aluminum guard, but shortly after I purchased it, I purchased two stainless steel guards. I didn't whine about it.
[quote=battue]I've never had or seen an all-day, .5inch, if I do my part Kimber. Even one with a stainless steel trigger. Yet it is common here with other manufacturers. For the price they charge???? Then they have the nerve to go aluminum on the trigger guard. With a proclaimed LW rifle to boot.
Originally Posted by battue
Do you know the bolt handle on a Kimber screws off. Should tell you how serious of a rifle it is.
(Sorry, I saw this after I posted.
Originally Posted by battue
(I wasn't serious, should have added on a rolled eye smiley. Addition: According to some here a 1.5inch Tikka was never allowed out the door. Seriously.)[quote/]
Many rifles have bolts that are attached in various fashions; screw in, screwed on, welded etc. The Kimber bolt doesn't fall off like some, and there is a cottage industry of persons who machine lighter titanium bolt handles for the Kimbers.
As for an "all day 0.5 inch rifle", why would you expect a lightweight rifle with a pencil thin barrel be such. It is not intended to be a target rifle. DUH!
However, if you want a production good looking, good fitting rifle that is light weight for all day hunting while on the move, and puts the first 2-3 shots where they should be, then there is no finer rifle made in the USA. (I reserve judgement on the Fieldcraft because they have not made their way north of the border yet.)
This is the craziest thread I’ve read in a while. A giant rant about a component on a rifle that a guy ordered sight unseen without even knowing exactly what component came on the rifle. And then to be soooo mad that the manufacturer won’t replace said component with a part from a rifle they manufactured 4 years ago.
if you are that horribly disgusted by that POS let me know . Also, any of you guys that replaced those ugly aluminum trigger guards with stainless, please feel free to send them to me.
Quite honestly if it shoots who gives a frogs fat ass if the trigger guard is aluminum. Isn’t the point supposed to be a lighter weight rifle. Thinking that was what Kimber was looking to achieve. Aluminum is multiple times stronger than steel pound for pound. And It’s not like a trigger guard is a high stress part. I’ve seen many a good shooting rifle with plastic trigger guards.
Dang it! Now I have to leave the woods early to go home and see if mine has a stainless steel trigger guard or not.
Can’t decide which way I’m gonna be pissed, if it is SS or aluminum??
How old are you? I'm thinking you are young enough that you'll be pleased either way. If nothing else, you can find someone to trade you for the guard metal you prefer.
If you were older, you'd likely be pissed either way, and blame it on the commies, or the Messicans, or the....
Wasn’t there someone on this site making Montana TGs out of Ti ?
At one time I wanted to replace the aluminum triggerguard & bottom metal on a M70 Fwt with a steel one. A little bit of recoil mitigation, with more weight between the hands. Another basically Dumb idea.
This is why I pretty well build what I want, or have it built by someone reputable. The only new rifles I've bought in the last 5 years have been couple of Remington ADL Synthetics, one in .243 and the other a .308. I lost the .308 in a divorce but still have the .243. An ADL doesn't cost $1,000.00 and the base barreled action is pretty sound. I hear a lot of bitching about Remingtons these days, but they mostly don't cost $1,000.00 and with a little TLC you can make 'em shoot damn good. And about every time I've pulled their triggers they go boom and the deer dies. For under $400.00 you can't beat that with a stick. Most everything else I've got was built for me to my specifications. I did pay $1,000.00 for most of those and they do go boom when I pull the trigger and the deer dies. Kimber won't be getting any of my money. Not because of an aluminum trigger guard. I have a Ruger 77 and an old push feed model 70 that both have aluminum trigger guards and they shoot just fine. It's just that I'm retired and though I could afford it I don't want to spend $1,000 on a rifle. I did at one time have a desire to own a Kimber in .270 Winchester, but I just don't want to spend that kind of money right now. Maybe I'll change my mind, who knows?
However the new ones have a glossy paint on them that makes it look almost white. Who would want a glossy white trigger guard on a stainless steel rifle.
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